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Fw: [eSens] Re: My summary understanding about electrical sensativity

----- Original Message -----
From: "charles" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 13:13
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: My summary understanding about electrical
sensativity

>A few questions for Karen:
>
> - how is the situation when you have taken a shower?
>
> - how is the situation when you walk on barefoot?
>
> - did somebody measure your body tension while lying on the bed?
>
> - what kind of bed are you sleeping in?
>
> - Schindeles Mineralien can diminish the body tension and are good for the
> bone structure.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tayloka_40" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 05:55
> Subject: [eSens] Re: My summary understanding about electrical sensativity

tayloka_40

Fw: [eSens] Re: My summary understanding about electrical sensativity

I don't have a problem with showering. I am on an acreage and have my own water system.
I do have shocks in the tub. I use 2kilos of salt when bathing.

I don't walk barefoot. I can't. I have a layer of water between the sole ofmy foot and the
underlying derma. My skin is kind of coming off.

I don't know about the body tension, I haven't had anyone take a measure. Could you
explain to me, Charles how this would be done and what would the results indicate?

I sleep in a conventional bed with a simmons mattress. I have tried a Shielde mate EMF
shield for my bed. This definately did not work for me.

Have you used the Schindeles Mineralien?

Thanks for your help Charles.

Karen

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "charles" <charles@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 13:13
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: My summary understanding about electrical
> sensativity
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> >A few questions for Karen:
> >
> > - how is the situation when you have taken a shower?
> >
> > - how is the situation when you walk on barefoot?
> >
> > - did somebody measure your body tension while lying on the bed?
> >
> > - what kind of bed are you sleeping in?
> >
> > - Schindeles Mineralien can diminish the body tension and are good for the
> > bone structure.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton Antivirus
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "tayloka_40" <tayloka_40@...>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 05:55
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: My summary understanding about electrical sensativity
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charles-4

Re: My summary understanding about electrical sensativity

Hello Karen,

my point is, taht electrosensible people may have a high body tension.
All kinds of loads, whether electrocal, magnetical or electromagnetical, AC
or CD, are discharged in the body as small AC currents.

Those currents can be measured on a person, lying on the bed, (so the person
is not grounded), wth one hand on a handelectrode and the multimeter is
connected to a ground.

Ideal is 30 mV.
With many people I measure between 300 and 800 mV.
People with an electrical blanker come to 4.000 mV.
And a waterbed may give up to 55.000 mV, or even more.

When people with a high body tension touch a piece of metal, these charges
unload on the metal.
People think that they are charged, but they unload.

Now, to get rid of those currents, it is advised in taking a shower before
sleeping (in order to uncharge).

Walking on isolated shoes (rubber soles) prevent unloading, so I asked if
you had a different reaction while walking barefooted, because then you are
grounded.

I advise against anything around the bed, because than electrical currents
from walls etc. may couple on this insulation, and one gets unwanted
potential differences.

I have also measured heavy magnetic DC fields on even small parts of metal
on beds.
Not only the metal spings in mattresses, but also from supporting beams and
hinges on head- and foot ends.

Often found values of 4500 nT can charge the body enormously.

The worst thing one may have is a waterbed.

And the Schindels Mineralien do help in building down the body tensions.
It is also good for health, for pain in the back, etc, because it contains a
lot of silicea.

Many, many years I suffered from pain in the back, and I had to rest for at
least 6 weeks each time.
That was always around July/ August, and right with Christmas.
The last time I had such was in 1977, when my mother-in-law gave me silicea.

I have known of a person (with cancer) where the bones were completely black
on the X-ray fotos.
After 2 months of treatment with a Rife bioresonance machine, the bones
started to become grey on the X-rays.
The cancer points changed from 862 to 191 during those 2 months.

There are more ways *to skin a cat*.
It is just my 2 cents in your enormous problem.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus

----- Original Message -----
From: "tayloka_40" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 21:42
Subject: Fw: [eSens] Re: My summary understanding about electrical
sensativity

>I don't have a problem with showering. I am on an acreage and have my own
>water system.
> I do have shocks in the tub. I use 2kilos of salt when bathing.
>
> I don't walk barefoot. I can't. I have a layer of water between the sole
> of my foot and the
> underlying derma. My skin is kind of coming off.
>
> I don't know about the body tension, I haven't had anyone take a measure.
> Could you
> explain to me, Charles how this would be done and what would the results
> indicate?
>
> I sleep in a conventional bed with a simmons mattress. I have tried a
> Shielde mate EMF
> shield for my bed. This definately did not work for me.
>
> Have you used the Schindeles Mineralien?
>
> Thanks for your help Charles.
>
> Karen
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "charles" <charles@...>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 13:13
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: My summary understanding about electrical
>> sensativity
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>> >A few questions for Karen:
>> >
>> > - how is the situation when you have taken a shower?
>> >
>> > - how is the situation when you walk on barefoot?
>> >
>> > - did somebody measure your body tension while lying on the bed?
>> >
>> > - what kind of bed are you sleeping in?
>> >
>> > - Schindeles Mineralien can diminish the body tension and are good for
>> > the
>> > bone structure.
>> >
>> > Greetings,
>> > Charles Claessens
>> > member Verband Baubiologie
>> > www.milieuziektes.nl
>> > www.milieuziektes.be
>> > www.hetbitje.nl
>> > checked by Norton Antivirus
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "tayloka_40" <tayloka_40@...>
>> > To: <[hidden email]>
>> > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 05:55
>> > Subject: [eSens] Re: My summary understanding about electrical
>> > sensativity
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tayloka_40

Re: My summary understanding about electrical sensativity

Yes Charles, more than one way to skin a cat and a 101 things to do with a dead one...it
really is a book. Thanks for mentioning that..I wouldn't be recognizable without my "little
sayings".

What would I look under to find a practioner of this in my area? I would beinterested to
see if they could use this on my feet or hands. I don't know anybody who has even seen a
riffe machine.

My room has become bone bare. I have a fireplace in my BR and I turned off the gas and
the electric to it. I just have my music and a UVR light. Well the lights in the bathroom but
they are small.

Thanks for your help, Charles. And just so you know...I collect 2 cents. Those seem to be
the thoughts with the most value.

Karen

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

>
> Hello Karen,
>
> my point is, taht electrosensible people may have a high body tension.
> All kinds of loads, whether electrocal, magnetical or electromagnetical, AC
> or CD, are discharged in the body as small AC currents.
>
> Those currents can be measured on a person, lying on the bed, (so the person
> is not grounded), wth one hand on a handelectrode and the multimeter is
> connected to a ground.
>
> Ideal is 30 mV.
> With many people I measure between 300 and 800 mV.
> People with an electrical blanker come to 4.000 mV.
> And a waterbed may give up to 55.000 mV, or even more.
>
> When people with a high body tension touch a piece of metal, these charges
> unload on the metal.
> People think that they are charged, but they unload.
>
> Now, to get rid of those currents, it is advised in taking a shower before
> sleeping (in order to uncharge).
>
> Walking on isolated shoes (rubber soles) prevent unloading, so I asked if
> you had a different reaction while walking barefooted, because then you are
> grounded.
>
> I advise against anything around the bed, because than electrical currents
> from walls etc. may couple on this insulation, and one gets unwanted
> potential differences.
>
> I have also measured heavy magnetic DC fields on even small parts of metal
> on beds.
> Not only the metal spings in mattresses, but also from supporting beams and
> hinges on head- and foot ends.
>
> Often found values of 4500 nT can charge the body enormously.
>
> The worst thing one may have is a waterbed.
>
> And the Schindels Mineralien do help in building down the body tensions.
> It is also good for health, for pain in the back, etc, because it contains a
> lot of silicea.
>
> Many, many years I suffered from pain in the back, and I had to rest for at
> least 6 weeks each time.
> That was always around July/ August, and right with Christmas.
> The last time I had such was in 1977, when my mother-in-law gave me silicea.
>
>
> I have known of a person (with cancer) where the bones were completely black
> on the X-ray fotos.
> After 2 months of treatment with a Rife bioresonance machine, the bones
> started to become grey on the X-rays.
> The cancer points changed from 862 to 191 during those 2 months.
>
> There are more ways *to skin a cat*.
> It is just my 2 cents in your enormous problem.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tayloka_40" <tayloka_40@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 21:42
> Subject: Fw: [eSens] Re: My summary understanding about electrical
> sensativity
>
>
> >I don't have a problem with showering. I am on an acreage and have my own
> >water system.
> > I do have shocks in the tub. I use 2kilos of salt when bathing.
> >
> > I don't walk barefoot. I can't. I have a layer of water between the sole
> > of my foot and the
> > underlying derma. My skin is kind of coming off.
> >
> > I don't know about the body tension, I haven't had anyone take a measure.
> > Could you
> > explain to me, Charles how this would be done and what would the results
> > indicate?
> >
> > I sleep in a conventional bed with a simmons mattress. I have tried a
> > Shielde mate EMF
> > shield for my bed. This definately did not work for me.
> >
> > Have you used the Schindeles Mineralien?
> >
> > Thanks for your help Charles.
> >
> > Karen
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
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> >> To: <[hidden email]>
> >> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 13:13
> >> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: My summary understanding about electrical
> >> sensativity
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> >> >A few questions for Karen:
> >> >
> >> > - how is the situation when you have taken a shower?
> >> >
> >> > - how is the situation when you walk on barefoot?
> >> >
> >> > - did somebody measure your body tension while lying on the bed?
> >> >
> >> > - what kind of bed are you sleeping in?
> >> >
> >> > - Schindeles Mineralien can diminish the body tension and are good for
> >> > the
> >> > bone structure.
> >> >
> >> > Greetings,
> >> > Charles Claessens
> >> > member Verband Baubiologie
> >> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> >> > www.milieuziektes.be
> >> > www.hetbitje.nl
> >> > checked by Norton Antivirus
> >> >
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> >> > From: "tayloka_40" <tayloka_40@>
> >> > To: <[hidden email]>
> >> > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 05:55
> >> > Subject: [eSens] Re: My summary understanding about electrical
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pegpare9

Re: My summary understanding about electrical sensativity

In reply to this post by charles-4

Is this a hair splitting group? Electrical sensitivity is electrical
sensitivity. I may have joined the wrong group.
An injury from this is important to know about. This is such a new phenomenon
that all information needs to be looked at and should not be rejected out of
hand.
Is this a scientific forum? Is it a medical forum? Or is it a way for those
of like minded sensitivities to say what has worked for them?
What is your definition of electrical sensitivity Marc? Peggy

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Marc Martin

Re: My summary understanding about electrical sensativity

Administrator

> Is this a hair splitting group? Electrical sensitivity is electrical
> sensitivity.

I think several people (including yourself, Peggy) missed the point
of my message.

If someone joins this group, and says that they have bad reaction
to an apple, and then goes onto say that this means they have
electrical sensitivity because of they are reacting to the EMF
emitted by the apple, I think many people would have a problem
with that. And that is essentially what Garth and myself were
doing when we saw Karen's messages about various things emitting
EMF. However, subsequent messages from Karen confirmed that she
does indeed have ES, although she didn't make that clear originally.

> Is this a scientific forum? Is it a medical forum? Or is it a way for
> those of like minded sensitivities to say what has worked for them?

The original intent of this group was for people to share what
they have tried to improve their ES, and whether or not it
worked for them. The idea being that if something works for
one person, then it may work for someone else. Prior to this
forum, most of the information on ES was that it either did
not exist, or there was nothing you could do about it other
than avoid sources of EMF. This group rejects both of
those assertions.

As for this being a "scientific" or "medical" forum, I'm not
sure what you mean by this exactly.

> What is your definition of electrical sensitivity Marc?

If a person has a negative health reaction to something
that operates on electricity, then that's electrical
sensitivity. You'll see that people having a negative
reactions to an apple (or flouric acid) don't fall into
that category.

Marc