Fw: [eSens] I need some input and suggestions

> Husband and I have been discussing how to find such a creature (an EMF
> surveyor) since before I posted the group asking for suggestions. Is
> there anywhere online a list of professionals who do this work (in the
> US--Pa in particular) who are also very knowledgeable about ES???

Try:

May Dooley
Enviro Health Environmental Home Inspections, Inc.
7104 Red Top Road
Hummelstown, PA 17036
1-888-735-9649

Emil

In a message dated 6/25/2007 5:15:17 PM GMT Daylight Time,
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Husband and I have been discussing how to find such a creature (an EMF
> surveyor) since before I posted the group asking for suggestions. Is
> there anywhere online a list of professionals who do this work (in the
> US--Pa in particular) who are also very knowledgeable about ES???

Try:

May Dooley
Enviro Health Environmental Home Inspections, Inc.
7104 Red Top Road
Hummelstown, PA 17036
1-888-735-9649

Emil





Horray for Emil !

Paul UK






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Thanks so much, Emil!  
Calling now,
Diane

Less EMF <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Husband and I have been discussing how to find such a creature (an EMF
> surveyor) since before I posted the group asking for suggestions. Is
> there anywhere online a list of professionals who do this work (in the
> US--Pa in particular) who are also very knowledgeable about ES???

Try:

May Dooley
Enviro Health Environmental Home Inspections, Inc.
7104 Red Top Road
Hummelstown, PA 17036
1-888-735-9649

Emil



         

       
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Although not relevant to the US, those based in the UK may like to know that
Roger Moller (who is ES himself and hence certainly understands the issues)
now does this kind of work as a consultancy.
Ian

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In a message dated 6/25/2007 5:15:17 PM GMT Daylight Time,
lessemf@lessemf. <mailto:lessemf%40lessemf.com> com writes:

Husband and I have been discussing how to find such a creature (an EMF
> surveyor) since before I posted the group asking for suggestions. Is
> there anywhere online a list of professionals who do this work (in the
> US--Pa in particular) who are also very knowledgeable about ES???

Try:

May Dooley
Enviro Health Environmental Home Inspections, Inc.
7104 Red Top Road
Hummelstown, PA 17036
1-888-735-9649

Emil

Horray for Emil !

Paul UK

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Hi again, All,
   
Sorry to be dominating the conversation lately! I promise to go back to lurking soon. lol
   
I called May Dooley, Emil. I was all prepared to have her come out and survey the land around the house and the house itself. However, as we talked, she indicated that what she would find would just be numbers. She said this would be meaningless if I already know I react. She said all the ideas that I already had--grounding, inside shielding, more pine trees--are allthat I can go on. She would not be able to tell me whether or not I couldstand it there or not based on numbers. Everyone reacts differently. It was great to talk to her, tho.  
   
We discussed many things and talked for a fairly long time. She understands alot about mold and pesticides, too (tho doesn't work with pesticides).She was telling me that even the Amish these days use pesticides! I always kidded my husband I was going to run off and live with the Amish, so I guess now that won't work! :(  
   
What she suggested was: grounding the siding of the house (aluminum) on both sides until it could be changed. She suggested a siding material called HARDI Plank (hope I spelled that correctly). She suggested window film, I think she said film--she said you sell it, Emil. She said what we were thinking of doing with pine trees was a good idea--fill in the missing 2 or 3 on the property line with 15 to 20 ft pines and then planting as many rows of smaller pines as we can. She said this would not eliminate 100% of the frequencies but will help alot. She said the degree to which I am sensitive will determine how helpful it was. She also said that she doesn't feelshe can recommend whether a move is good or not as the environment can change quickly for the worse with the introduction of something new to the neighborhood. She told me of a couple who looked for years for a house which would work. Shortly after they moved to their "dream house", the church near them
rented the steeple to a phone company for a cell tower! She is also sending me some info on her company. If it looks like anything which others would like to know, I will share.
   
Thanks again, Emil,
Diane

Less EMF <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Husband and I have been discussing how to find such a creature (an EMF
> surveyor)

Try:

May Dooley
Enviro Health Environmental Home Inspections, Inc.
7104 Red Top Road
Hummelstown, PA 17036
1-888-735-9649

Emil



         

       
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In a message dated 6/25/2007 10:50:02 PM GMT Daylight Time,
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Hi again, All,

Sorry to be dominating the conversation lately! I promise to go back to
lurking soon. lol

I called May Dooley, Emil. I was all prepared to have her come out and
survey the land around the house and the house itself. However, as we talked, she
indicated that what she would find would just be numbers. She said this would
be meaningless if I already know I react. She said all the ideas that I
already had--grounding, inside shielding, more pine trees--are all that I can go
on. She would not be able to tell me whether or not I could stand it there or
not based on numbers. Everyone reacts differently. It was great to talk to
her, tho.

We discussed many things and talked for a fairly long time. She understands
alot about mold and pesticides, too (tho doesn't work with pesticides). She
was telling me that even the Amish these days use pesticides! I always kidded
my husband I was going to run off and live with the Amish, so I guess now
that won't work! :(

What she suggested was: grounding the siding of the house (aluminum) on both
sides until it could be changed. She suggested a siding material called
HARDI Plank (hope I spelled that correctly). She suggested window film, I think
she said film--she said you sell it, Emil. She said what we were thinking of
doing with pine trees was a good idea--fill in the missing 2 or 3 on the
property line with 15 to 20 ft pines and then planting as many rows of smaller
pines as we can. She said this would not eliminate 100% of the frequencies but
will help alot. She said the degree to which I am sensitive will determine how
helpful it was. She also said that she doesn't feel she can recommend
whether a move is good or not as the environment can change quickly for the worse
with the introduction of something new to the neighborhood. She told me of a
couple who looked for years for a house which would work. Shortly after they
moved to their "dream house", the church near them






Thanks - This is indeed very good feedback. As you can see the issue of ES
is complex to say the least. But you are on the right tracks, its a pity
that you cant find some ES folk say in a local support network that could give
you local advice. Neverthe less I agree with what the lady says re numbers,
but you have to start somewhere. Perhaps if those numbers were comparative to
your extg location this could give a base line. You really need to assess
an area or indeed spot over 24-48rs on a few ocassions. Living and sleeping
there is the best test. i AM GOING TO REFER THIS TO MY FREIND ROGER MOLLER IN
uk FOR FURTHER ADVICE.

pAUL UK






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has anyone had ley lines checked

On 25 Jun 2007, at 22:47, Evie wrote:

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If you check the ley lines and there is a problem a skilled dowser
can change the ley lines to your favor. I have lost track with this
thread: is the original person with the query in US or UK? There are
very active national dowsers societies in both countries (in US
search for Armerican Society of Dowsers) and tell them your problem
and that you want someone to dowse and clear your problem.

Good luck,

Yolanda
On Jun 25, 2007, at 3:07 PM, pete robinson wrote:

> has anyone had ley lines checked



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I am in london and had a guy called alfred riggs come to my house and
he found ley lines in my living room which i can't be in now so he says
He said my bedroom was ok, but never mentioned anything about dowsing
it to get rid of it.
pete
On 26 Jun 2007, at 00:44, Yolanda LaCombe wrote:

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I called May Dooley, Emil. I was all prepared to have her come out and
survey the land around the house and the house itself. However, as we
talked, she indicated that what she would find would just be numbers. She
said this would be meaningless if I already know I react. She said all the
ideas that I already had--grounding, inside shielding, more pine trees--are
all that I can go on. She would not be able to tell me whether or not I
could stand it there or not based on numbers. Everyone reacts differently.
It was great to talk to her, tho.

Hi Diane,

Yes, it's true... the readings by themselves are not enough to determine if
you can tolerate a given environment. The other half of the equation is:
what are you sensitive to? and how sensitive are you? To say you are ES is
like saying you allergic to some foods. So hiring someone to tell you what
foods are present in your home answers only half of the question. Which
foods are the problem?

This aspect of diagnosis takes quite a bit more effort to determine. Similar
to allergy testing, the only reliable way I know of to test for EMF
sensitivity is to expose a person to one type (electric field, magnetic
field, RF) and one frequency at a time. Once you identify the
type/frequency(s) that bother you most, you can begin the process of
determining the levels you can tolerate. (There are other complication
factors too, such as wave form, freqeuncy mixtures, and the state of your
physical and mental health at the moment)

Now you will know what types of EMF you need to survey, and the levels of
attenuation you need to achieve. This is where May Dooley's number will be
helpful.

Sure, this is a big undertaking, but unless someone can suggest a method
which provides better prediction of results, you are left with either:
avoiding/shield ALL EMF or trying various remediations shot-gun style until
you (hopefully) find something that helps.

Emil

Dowsing would be to find the ley lines. Actually ley lines are not
necessarily negative, they are like the acupuncture meridians (energy
channels) of the earth. But all the dowsers that I know that do home
and property clearing use hands on energy like hands on healing to a
person to clear the energy and/or recommend devices.

More about the devices in my next post.

Yolanda
On Jun 26, 2007, at 1:19 AM, pete robinson wrote:



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Thank you, Paul!  
   
I really appreciate your kind and helpful spirit.  
   
One thing I forgot that May Dooley told me... She did indicate that the problem with ES in the bathroom could be connected with EMFs running along the public water pipes into the house. She said we would know this better after we were there awhile. She said there were fixes for this, too, but of course every fix has its costs and frustrations attached to it. But basically when it was all said and done, I came away with the feeling that May was saying, for me personally (not necessarily for all here), that the "house of my dreams" did not exist and that I would have to make several allowances and concessions anywhere I moved. So it did put my mind somewhat at ease with buying this house.
   
Thanks again, Paul,
Diane

[hidden email] wrote:
         
In a message dated 6/25/2007 10:50:02 PM GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Hi again, All,

Sorry to be dominating the conversation lately! I promise to go back to
lurking soon. lol

I called May Dooley, Emil. I was all prepared to have her come out and
survey the land around the house and the house itself. However, as we talked, she
indicated that what she would find would just be numbers. She said this would
be meaningless if I already know I react. She said all the ideas that I
already had--grounding, inside shielding, more pine trees--are all that I can go
on. She would not be able to tell me whether or not I could stand it there or
not based on numbers. Everyone reacts differently. It was great to talk to
her, tho.

We discussed many things and talked for a fairly long time. She understands
alot about mold and pesticides, too (tho doesn't work with pesticides). She
was telling me that even the Amish these days use pesticides! I always kidded
my husband I was going to run off and live with the Amish, so I guess now
that won't work! :(

What she suggested was: grounding the siding of the house (aluminum) on both
sides until it could be changed. She suggested a siding material called
HARDI Plank (hope I spelled that correctly). She suggested window film, I think
she said film--she said you sell it, Emil. She said what we were thinking of
doing with pine trees was a good idea--fill in the missing 2 or 3 on the
property line with 15 to 20 ft pines and then planting as many rows of smaller
pines as we can. She said this would not eliminate 100% of the frequencies but
will help alot. She said the degree to which I am sensitive will determine how
helpful it was. She also said that she doesn't feel she can recommend
whether a move is good or not as the environment can change quickly for theworse
with the introduction of something new to the neighborhood. She told me of a
couple who looked for years for a house which would work. Shortly after they
moved to their "dream house", the church near them

Thanks - This is indeed very good feedback. As you can see the issue of ES
is complex to say the least. But you are on the right tracks, its a pity
that you cant find some ES folk say in a local support network that could give
you local advice. Neverthe less I agree with what the lady says re numbers,
but you have to start somewhere. Perhaps if those numbers were comparative to
your extg location this could give a base line. You really need to assess
an area or indeed spot over 24-48rs on a few ocassions. Living and sleeping
there is the best test. i AM GOING TO REFER THIS TO MY FREIND ROGER MOLLER IN
uk FOR FURTHER ADVICE.

pAUL UK

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my osteopath told me that about ley lines and he said he would come
round to see if they were negative or positive
the guy who came round to see if i had ley lines didn't mention this he
used some wand to check

On 26 Jun 2007, at 15:55, Yolanda LaCombe wrote:

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Some dowsing instruments look like wands. However I don't know any  
dowsers who clear property that just tell you that your property is  
toxic or ley lined and walk away. All the ones I know do something to  
alleviate the situation.

My .02 worth,

Yolanda
On Jun 26, 2007, at 8:19 AM, pete robinson wrote:



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Hi, Emil,
   
Yes, I understand what you are saying. However, what May and I discussedwas what I am sensitive to and how sensitive I am to it. I already know Iam very sensitive to magnetic frequencies (have been since I was a child).Last year I became sensitive to cell and microwave towers and my computer. Previous to this I was also sensitive to cell phones. I now also have problems with various other things--satelite dishes, wifi zones, various appliances (DVD player I returned to the store, etc). I also shared my past medical history with her.
   
What I understood her saying is that since I already know I react badly to cell towers, and there are cell towers (2 within sight of this house on the far side of the pine trees) present, she would be coming out here to tell me essentially what I already know. She said that the numbers are meaningless because I already react and getting the numbers to read zero is not an option. They will never read zero no matter how many trees I put up or measures I take.
   
Yes, it makes sense that testing ME would be helpful, because then I could have more info when I was evaluating various situations concerning EMFs. But I got the sense from her that this is not easy to do and might not provide any more understanding than I now have. At least she didn't suggest it, but rather indicated it was not a helpful option for me, if I understoodher correctly. Perhaps it is not an option due to the fact that I now live in a pesticide contaminated house and it was the pesticide contamination that made me react worse to EMFs? Perhaps she thought the numbers (for me,not the house by the cells) would not be accurate? I do not know. I onlyknow she did not think it would be helpful to me for her to come out.  
   
Thanks for the added info, tho, Emil. Yes, I agree that would be ideal. Perhaps some of the info she is sending online will address some of this?  
   
Diane

Less EMF <[hidden email]> wrote:
         

Hi Diane,

Yes, it's true... the readings by themselves are not enough to determine if
you can tolerate a given environment. The other half of the equation is:
what are you sensitive to? and how sensitive are you? To say you are ES is
like saying you allergic to some foods. So hiring someone to tell you what
foods are present in your home answers only half of the question. Which
foods are the problem?

This aspect of diagnosis takes quite a bit more effort to determine. Similar
to allergy testing, the only reliable way I know of to test for EMF
sensitivity is to expose a person to one type (electric field, magnetic
field, RF) and one frequency at a time. Once you identify the
type/frequency(s) that bother you most, you can begin the process of
determining the levels you can tolerate. (There are other complication
factors too, such as wave form, freqeuncy mixtures, and the state of your
physical and mental health at the moment)

Now you will know what types of EMF you need to survey, and the levels of
attenuation you need to achieve. This is where May Dooley's number will be
helpful.

Sure, this is a big undertaking, but unless someone can suggest a method
which provides better prediction of results, you are left with either:
avoiding/shield ALL EMF or trying various remediations shot-gun style until
you (hopefully) find something that helps.

Emil



         

 
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Hi, Yolanda,
   
I am the original poster for this thread, and I live in the US. (Thanks Pete, for your suggestion on ley lines. I will research that further.) Interesting idea, but I do know that the problem I am having at this propertyis from cell towers, (at least, mainly from cell towers).
   
Thanks for your suggestions and info tho. I appreciate it,
Diane

Yolanda LaCombe <[hidden email]> wrote:
If you check the ley lines and there is a problem a skilled dowser
can change the ley lines to your favor. I have lost track with this
thread: is the original person with the query in US or UK? There are
very active national dowsers societies in both countries (in US
search for Armerican Society of Dowsers) and tell them your problem
and that you want someone to dowse and clear your problem.

Good luck,

Yolanda
On Jun 25, 2007, at 3:07 PM, pete robinson wrote:

> has anyone had ley lines checked

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