Fright and flight

Dear All
Can anyone answer this?
why when you first go into a room with a wifi hub you can feel it. Say you go out of the room and then come back its better, then the third time or so, the feeling could be gone? 
This can happen on many examples like a street with a mobile mast, or just someone with a phone..
My own feelings on this is our bodies early warning system has been turned on to full. Which we need to take control of again. which over time i feel i have maybe a little more control? 
Dont run away, but take control in the mind. But know that that space is not good for us in the long term.
Many ancient and modern cultures learn and teach energy skills, have we basically gone to the top of the class without knowing how to deal with it?
Do let me know if this rings a bell with anyone else, or have i just becomea hippy!!!
Giles








     

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> My own feelings on this is our bodies early warning system has been
> turned on to full. Which we need to take control of again. which over
> time i feel i have maybe a little more control? 

I have certainly noticed diminished reactions to certain sources of EMF
without having to do anything about it. I either assumed I had just
adapted to it, or my EMF protection devices were making it more tolerable.

Marc

I dont carry any EMF protection devises anymore. They just made things worse really.Not on the right frequency, they just exaggerated the symptoms.
Giles

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Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 19:42















 
 



 


   
     
     
> My own feelings on this is our bodies early warning system has been

> turned on to full. Which we need to take control of again. which over

> time i feel i have maybe a little more control? 



I have certainly noticed diminished reactions to certain sources of EMF

without having to do anything about it. I either assumed I had just

adapted to it, or my EMF protection devices were making it more tolerable.



Marc



   
     

   
   


 



 











     

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> I dont carry any EMF protection devises anymore. They just made things
> worse really. Not on the right frequency, they just exaggerated the
> symptoms.

Maybe you just haven't tried enough... :-)

(I agree that some of these devices make things worse, but not all them)

Marc

A good crystal does seem to help, cheap and natural.

--- On Fri, 8/1/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 22:17















 
 



 


   
     
     
> I dont carry any EMF protection devises anymore. They just made things

> worse really. Not on the right frequency, they just exaggerated the

> symptoms.



Maybe you just haven't tried enough... :-)



(I agree that some of these devices make things worse, but not all them)



Marc



   
     

   
   


 



 











     

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Sure for a very short time.

And then, it starts emitting the conceived elektrosmog.

In my opinion, you are not very electrosensitive.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton



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From: "Christina Steils" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight


A good crystal does seem to help, cheap and natural.

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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 22:17


























> I dont carry any EMF protection devises anymore. They just made
things

> worse really. Not on the right frequency, they just exaggerated the

> symptoms.



Maybe you just haven't tried enough... :-)



(I agree that some of these devices make things worse, but not all them)



Marc




























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Many ancient and modern cultures learn and teach energy skills, have we
basically gone to the top of the class without knowing how to deal with it?
Do let me know if this rings a bell with anyone else, or have i just
become a hippy!!!
Giles



Yes Giles you are on a feasible path here, there is of course the issues of
neural adaption to take into account and the chemical tagging that may
have taken place in your body that may not be overwritten by mind power
alone. Plus the possible clues that you might pick up on when entering the room
with the potentially offensive equipment. As you may be aware not all
mobiles operating in your vicinity will trigger sensations, I can often pick out
the offending phone in a crowd of many others so we also have the anomolies
of wave propogation orientation of subjects etc.. so its getting
complicated already. But if you enter a room and within a few seconds realise that
it has a wifi router as an Esser you will no doubt experience apprehension,
but your desire to fit in, stay in the room again another complication ie
your phychological make-up etc will stop you from walking away then you
might find that the wifi router is not actually causing major problems to you
as you settle down from the burst of initial anxiety, wether thats helped
by walking in and out of the room no doubt thats ramping down the initial
negative phychological response, you basically get a grip ! It is possible
that many essers have gone so far down the line without getting a grip of the
phychology that fear and apprehension now wags the dog. A little courage
goes a long way, in over riding many of the initial reactions helping you to
move forward, rather than into a spiral of decline. Feel the fear and do
it anyway (a book title) I have to accept that there will be pain and
suffering but if I want to live I have to keep picking myself up and finding new
resolve. Its the way for so many not just Essers. I may also have to
accept that this is truly the silent discease and stop beating myself up when I
see that tormented aguish ridden face looking back at me in the mirror
after a decade of ES. Let the good times role, make hay while the sun shines
and all that...

however back to the entering the room scenario - perhaps the router is
not being heavily accesed at this point. perhaps the router was being used
when you first eneterd the room, perhaps a mobile phone was adding to the
bargain at the time, perhaps you can handle it for a short while, and may or
may not get a payback later or simply raise your sensitivity levels for a
while ?? But as you say learning relaxation and energy control techniques will
essentially help you with one vital skill - Learning to BEND LIKE THE
WILLOW !


Paul




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This QLink is helping me a bit & avoidance as much as possible. Has he donean antenna search for Cell towers in the area. I put up RF shielding on all of my windows & I wouldn't be living here unless I did that. Loni

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 2:54 AM


 



A good crystal does seem to help, cheap and natural.

--- On Fri, 8/1/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 22:17

 

> I dont carry any EMF protection devises anymore. They just made things

> worse really. Not on the right frequency, they just exaggerated the

> symptoms.

Maybe you just haven't tried enough... :-)

(I agree that some of these devices make things worse, but not all them)

Marc

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I would not rely on a crystal; don't waste your money there. Loni

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From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 4:03 AM


 



Sure for a very short time.

And then, it starts emitting the conceived elektrosmog.

In my opinion, you are not very electrosensitive.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christina Steils" <csteils@yahoo. co.uk>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight

A good crystal does seem to help, cheap and natural.

--- On Fri, 8/1/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 22:17

> I dont carry any EMF protection devises anymore. They just made
things

> worse really. Not on the right frequency, they just exaggerated the

> symptoms.

Maybe you just haven't tried enough... :-)

(I agree that some of these devices make things worse, but not all them)

Marc

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Hi, Loni £1.50 isn't to bad, and i think you would be surprised, as for the man made products, yes there are some interesting effects from these.as they work on the same priceable.
But i do recommend Qi Gong and Reki as a good way forward.
Best
Giles

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 9 January, 2010, 17:01















 
 



 


   
     
     
I would not rely on a crystal; don't waste your money there. Loni



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From: charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 4:03 AM



 



Sure for a very short time.



And then, it starts emitting the conceived elektrosmog.



In my opinion, you are not very electrosensitive.



Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes. nl

www.milieuziektes. be

www.hetbitje. nl

checked by Norton



----- Original Message -----

From: "Christina Steils" <csteils@yahoo. co.uk>

To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:54 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight



A good crystal does seem to help, cheap and natural.



--- On Fri, 8/1/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:



From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 22:17



> I dont carry any EMF protection devises anymore. They just made

things



> worse really. Not on the right frequency, they just exaggerated the



> symptoms.



Maybe you just haven't tried enough... :-)



(I agree that some of these devices make things worse, but not all them)



Marc



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Dear Loni
I was pretty bad 19 months ago. A nit of what happened below.

When the crystals are washed. You start using them again!


From
2006 onwards I went several times to see a doctor for heart palpitations, but
they couldn’t find anything wrong with me.

Then in July 2008 I
suddenly started experiencing dizziness on numerous occasions, till it got so
bad one night, suffering even from speech problems, that I ended up in A&E
thinking I had a stroke or heart attack; in the following weeks I underwent
many tests. The results showed I was absolutely fine, but the symptoms stayed.
The doctors told me I just had been stressed, but the thing is I wasn’t
stressed at all prior to this.

 

To
my own shock and confusion I realized that my dizziness always occurred, when I
was in close vicinity to Wifi, mobiles, Blackberries and mobile masts.

Other
symptoms added themselves to the list: excessive sweating during the night,
memory and concentration problems, a pain in my head, and discomfort either
side of my neck [ glands ] pins and needles in my hands, a feeling of being
static (I gave people electric shocks in that early period, when I shook their
hands), prickly skin and even skin rashes. The latter, when I was sitting in
front of my computer or the tv. Even certain light sources (energy saving light
bulbs and neon lights) caused the skin problem to occur.

 

After
medical professionals weren’t able to help, I started my own research and found
many websites and blogs by people, with exactly the same problems as mine. They
are sufferers of electro-sensitivity (ES), a condition fully recognized in
Canada and Sweden as a medical impairment (with 300.000 sufferers in Sweden
alone) but unfortunately ridiculed in the UK. I had never heard of it (thisto
show I am not a hypochondriac), but once I realized that this was the source of
my problems, I started clearing my home environment from Wifi, DECT phones and
non-essential electrical items. My problems immediately started to get
noticeably better.

 




I would say im 80% better now.
I think i was pretty bad, ive just dealt with it as best i can.

--- On Sat, 9/1/10, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 9 January, 2010, 17:01















 
 



 


   
     
     
I would not rely on a crystal; don't waste your money there. Loni



--- On Sat, 1/9/10, charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be> wrote:



From: charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 4:03 AM



 



Sure for a very short time.



And then, it starts emitting the conceived elektrosmog.



In my opinion, you are not very electrosensitive.



Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes. nl

www.milieuziektes. be

www.hetbitje. nl

checked by Norton



----- Original Message -----

From: "Christina Steils" <csteils@yahoo. co.uk>

To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:54 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight



A good crystal does seem to help, cheap and natural.



--- On Fri, 8/1/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:



From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 22:17



> I dont carry any EMF protection devises anymore. They just made

things



> worse really. Not on the right frequency, they just exaggerated the



> symptoms.



Maybe you just haven't tried enough... :-)



(I agree that some of these devices make things worse, but not all them)



Marc



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Oh I believe you but what does that have to do with crystals? Are you saying you are not sensitive becauase of the crystals?  I have some crystals. I bought a salt lamp that claimed to cut the radiation down & it was hogwash. It might have some good qualities but it has to be plugged in. I justdon't want people spending money on things they can not return because we are all different. We can end up spending a heck of a lot of money on gadgets that claim to protect us from the frequencies. Everything is worth a tryif you can RETURN it.
 
Loni

--- On Sat, 1/9/10, Christina Steils <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Christina Steils <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight / Loni
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 11:43 AM


 



Dear Loni
I was pretty bad 19 months ago. A nit of what happened below.

When the crystals are washed. You start using them again!

From
2006 onwards I went several times to see a doctor for heart palpitations, but
they couldn’t find anything wrong with me.

Then in July 2008 I
suddenly started experiencing dizziness on numerous occasions, till it got so
bad one night, suffering even from speech problems, that I ended up in A&E
thinking I had a stroke or heart attack; in the following weeks I underwent
many tests. The results showed I was absolutely fine, but the symptoms stayed.
The doctors told me I just had been stressed, but the thing is I wasn’t
stressed at all prior to this.

 

To
my own shock and confusion I realized that my dizziness always occurred, when I
was in close vicinity to Wifi, mobiles, Blackberries and mobile masts.

Other
symptoms added themselves to the list: excessive sweating during the night,
memory and concentration problems, a pain in my head, and discomfort either
side of my neck [ glands ] pins and needles in my hands, a feeling of being
static (I gave people electric shocks in that early period, when I shook their
hands), prickly skin and even skin rashes. The latter, when I was sitting in
front of my computer or the tv. Even certain light sources (energy saving light
bulbs and neon lights) caused the skin problem to occur.

 

After
medical professionals weren’t able to help, I started my own research and found
many websites and blogs by people, with exactly the same problems as mine. They
are sufferers of electro-sensitivity (ES), a condition fully recognized in
Canada and Sweden as a medical impairment (with 300.000 sufferers in Sweden
alone) but unfortunately ridiculed in the UK. I had never heard of it (thisto
show I am not a hypochondriac) , but once I realized that this was the source of
my problems, I started clearing my home environment from Wifi, DECT phones and
non-essential electrical items. My problems immediately started to get
noticeably better.

 

I would say im 80% better now.
I think i was pretty bad, ive just dealt with it as best i can.

--- On Sat, 9/1/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, 9 January, 2010, 17:01

 

I would not rely on a crystal; don't waste your money there. Loni

--- On Sat, 1/9/10, charles <charles@milieuziek t es.be> wrote:

From: charles <charles@milieuziek t es.be>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 4:03 AM

 

Sure for a very short time.

And then, it starts emitting the conceived elektrosmog.

In my opinion, you are not very electrosensitive.

Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes. nl

www.milieuziektes. be

www.hetbitje. nl

checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----

From: "Christina Steils" <csteils@yahoo. co.uk>

To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:54 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight

A good crystal does seem to help, cheap and natural.

--- On Fri, 8/1/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 22:17

> I dont carry any EMF protection devises anymore. They just made

things

> worse really. Not on the right frequency, they just exaggerated the

> symptoms.

Maybe you just haven't tried enough... :-)

(I agree that some of these devices make things worse, but not all them)

Marc

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Crystals seem to work with me. I have good days and bad days, but they do heal the symptoms with the help of my girlfriend sometimes. 
Other devises as i mentioned have a effects, but they just exaggerated my symptoms? So at least with crystals they cost peanuts.
You may start feeling better because of the Special devises in the house, or is it just because you have removed the house of wifi and dec phones? Detox!
I panicked at first and wasted my money on some devises as they stop working after a month.or two. Harmonizers?
The website said that they carry on forever,, der fell for that one.
Hugging trees was good grounding at first, that real hippy stuff. No more static hands arms, body.


--- On Sat, 9/1/10, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight / Loni
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 9 January, 2010, 18:56















 
 



 


   
     
     
Oh I believe you but what does that have to do with crystals? Are yousaying you are not sensitive becauase of the crystals?  I have some crystals. I bought a salt lamp that claimed to cut the radiation down & it was hogwash. It might have some good qualities but it has to be plugged in. I just don't want people spending money on things they can not return because we are all different. We can end up spending a heck of a lot of money ongadgets that claim to protect us from the frequencies. Everything is wortha try if you can RETURN it.

 

Loni



--- On Sat, 1/9/10, Christina Steils <csteils@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:



From: Christina Steils <csteils@yahoo. co.uk>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight / Loni

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 11:43 AM



 



Dear Loni

I was pretty bad 19 months ago. A nit of what happened below.



When the crystals are washed. You start using them again!



From

2006 onwards I went several times to see a doctor for heart palpitations, but

they couldn’t find anything wrong with me.



Then in July 2008 I

suddenly started experiencing dizziness on numerous occasions, till it got so

bad one night, suffering even from speech problems, that I ended up in A&E

thinking I had a stroke or heart attack; in the following weeks I underwent

many tests. The results showed I was absolutely fine, but the symptoms stayed.

The doctors told me I just had been stressed, but the thing is I wasn’t

stressed at all prior to this.



 



To

my own shock and confusion I realized that my dizziness always occurred, when I

was in close vicinity to Wifi, mobiles, Blackberries and mobile masts.



Other

symptoms added themselves to the list: excessive sweating during the night,

memory and concentration problems, a pain in my head, and discomfort either

side of my neck [ glands ] pins and needles in my hands, a feeling of being

static (I gave people electric shocks in that early period, when I shook their

hands), prickly skin and even skin rashes. The latter, when I was sitting in

front of my computer or the tv. Even certain light sources (energy saving light

bulbs and neon lights) caused the skin problem to occur.



 



After

medical professionals weren’t able to help, I started my own research and found

many websites and blogs by people, with exactly the same problems as mine. They

are sufferers of electro-sensitivity (ES), a condition fully recognized in

Canada and Sweden as a medical impairment (with 300.000 sufferers in Sweden

alone) but unfortunately ridiculed in the UK. I had never heard of it (thisto

show I am not a hypochondriac) , but once I realized that this was the source of

my problems, I started clearing my home environment from Wifi, DECT phones and

non-essential electrical items. My problems immediately started to get

noticeably better.



 



I would say im 80% better now.

I think i was pretty bad, ive just dealt with it as best i can.



--- On Sat, 9/1/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:



From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Saturday, 9 January, 2010, 17:01



 



I would not rely on a crystal; don't waste your money there. Loni



--- On Sat, 1/9/10, charles <charles@milieuziek t es.be> wrote:



From: charles <charles@milieuziek t es.be>



Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight



To: eSens@yahoogroups. com



Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 4:03 AM



 



Sure for a very short time.



And then, it starts emitting the conceived elektrosmog.



In my opinion, you are not very electrosensitive.



Greetings,



Charles Claessens



member Verband Baubiologie



www.milieuziektes. nl



www.milieuziektes. be



www.hetbitje. nl



checked by Norton



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From: "Christina Steils" <csteils@yahoo. co.uk>



To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>



Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:54 AM



Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight



A good crystal does seem to help, cheap and natural.



--- On Fri, 8/1/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:



From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>



Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight



To: eSens@yahoogroups. com



Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 22:17



> I dont carry any EMF protection devises anymore. They just made



things



> worse really. Not on the right frequency, they just exaggerated the



> symptoms.



Maybe you just haven't tried enough... :-)



(I agree that some of these devices make things worse, but not all them)



Marc



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Well that sure is incredible. I'll have to read up on them. Where did you purchase your crystals & do you wear them? They might act the same way the QLink does with balancing energies.
 
You had a lot of horrific symptoms & it is amazing that the crystals have subdued all of them.  Loni

--- On Sat, 1/9/10, Christina Steils <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Christina Steils <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight / Loni
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 12:12 PM


 



Crystals seem to work with me. I have good days and bad days, but they do heal the symptoms with the help of my girlfriend sometimes. 
Other devises as i mentioned have a effects, but they just exaggerated my symptoms? So at least with crystals they cost peanuts.
You may start feeling better because of the Special devises in the house, or is it just because you have removed the house of wifi and dec phones? Detox!
I panicked at first and wasted my money on some devises as they stop working after a month.or two. Harmonizers?
The website said that they carry on forever,, der fell for that one.
Hugging trees was good grounding at first, that real hippy stuff. No more static hands arms, body.

--- On Sat, 9/1/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight / Loni
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, 9 January, 2010, 18:56

 

Oh I believe you but what does that have to do with crystals? Are you saying you are not sensitive becauase of the crystals?  I have some crystals. I bought a salt lamp that claimed to cut the radiation down & it was hogwash. It might have some good qualities but it has to be plugged in. I justdon't want people spending money on things they can not return because we are all different. We can end up spending a heck of a lot of money on gadgets that claim to protect us from the frequencies. Everything is worth a tryif you can RETURN it.

 

Loni

--- On Sat, 1/9/10, Christina Steils <csteils@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:

From: Christina Steils <csteils@yahoo. co.uk>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight / Loni

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 11:43 AM

 

Dear Loni

I was pretty bad 19 months ago. A nit of what happened below.

When the crystals are washed. You start using them again!

From

2006 onwards I went several times to see a doctor for heart palpitations, but

they couldn’t find anything wrong with me.

Then in July 2008 I

suddenly started experiencing dizziness on numerous occasions, till it got so

bad one night, suffering even from speech problems, that I ended up in A&E

thinking I had a stroke or heart attack; in the following weeks I underwent

many tests. The results showed I was absolutely fine, but the symptoms stayed.

The doctors told me I just had been stressed, but the thing is I wasn’t

stressed at all prior to this.

 

To

my own shock and confusion I realized that my dizziness always occurred, when I

was in close vicinity to Wifi, mobiles, Blackberries and mobile masts.

Other

symptoms added themselves to the list: excessive sweating during the night,

memory and concentration problems, a pain in my head, and discomfort either

side of my neck [ glands ] pins and needles in my hands, a feeling of being

static (I gave people electric shocks in that early period, when I shook their

hands), prickly skin and even skin rashes. The latter, when I was sitting in

front of my computer or the tv. Even certain light sources (energy saving light

bulbs and neon lights) caused the skin problem to occur.

 

After

medical professionals weren’t able to help, I started my own research and found

many websites and blogs by people, with exactly the same problems as mine. They

are sufferers of electro-sensitivity (ES), a condition fully recognized in

Canada and Sweden as a medical impairment (with 300.000 sufferers in Sweden

alone) but unfortunately ridiculed in the UK. I had never heard of it (thisto

show I am not a hypochondriac) , but once I realized that this was the source of

my problems, I started clearing my home environment from Wifi, DECT phones and

non-essential electrical items. My problems immediately started to get

noticeably better.

 

I would say im 80% better now.

I think i was pretty bad, ive just dealt with it as best i can.

--- On Sat, 9/1/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Saturday, 9 January, 2010, 17:01

 

I would not rely on a crystal; don't waste your money there. Loni

--- On Sat, 1/9/10, charles <charles@milieuziek t es.be> wrote:

From: charles <charles@milieuziek t es.be>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 4:03 AM

 

Sure for a very short time.

And then, it starts emitting the conceived elektrosmog.

In my opinion, you are not very electrosensitive.

Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes. nl

www.milieuziektes. be

www.hetbitje. nl

checked by Norton

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From: "Christina Steils" <csteils@yahoo. co.uk>

To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:54 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight

A good crystal does seem to help, cheap and natural.

--- On Fri, 8/1/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 22:17

> I dont carry any EMF protection devises anymore. They just made

things

> worse really. Not on the right frequency, they just exaggerated the

> symptoms.

Maybe you just haven't tried enough... :-)

(I agree that some of these devices make things worse, but not all them)

Marc

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Dear Gilles,
That does ring the bell to me! I keep pointing out that we are far from understanding and even describing ES phenomenon, but important parts of the puzzle are possibly the presence of habituation (as you mentioned - a diminishing reaction), and as well sensitization (reaction of organism increasing with repetition).
Those two processes are just apparently contradictory, as they are both together fundamental for the behavior of living matter.
I did noticed both! I agree with those who said you are probably not much afflicted by ES as from some point on there is no habituation any more, while sensitization generalizes and one reacts even to an imaginary radiation (just an idea that he could have been exposed)...

But I am mostly interested what you and others say to my observation that change sometimes is a kind of benefitial is a sense that changing places, monitors, protection devices etc. helps feeling temporarily better, until onegets used to the new (hostile) environment... I even noticed (very short indeed) subjective improvements when a new source of radiation has been introduced to an (already polluted!) environment...

I have a theoretical assumption but would firstly like to hear do you find that for us heavily afflicted change makes temporal relief?

Drasko



--- In [hidden email], Christina Steils <csteils@...> wrote:

In a message dated 09/01/2010 21:05:31 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

But I am mostly interested what you and others say to my observation that
change sometimes is a kind of benefitial is a sense that changing places,
monitors, protection devices etc. helps feeling temporarily better, until
one gets used to the new (hostile) environment.But I am mostly interested
what you and others say to my observation that change sometimes is a kind of
benefitial is a sense that changing places, monBu

I have a theoretical assumption but would firstly like to hear do you find
that for us heavily afflicted change makes temporal relief?

Drasko



woww Drasko you have noticed this too. It seems to me that the immune
system/nervous system has catagorised by whatever method that EMF at certain
frequencies is destructive to the organism both directly and indirctly and
can only be fooled/perplexed/confused for a very short period of time until
it realises that the agitant is just waering different clothes or is in
someway in disguise. Then sadly it puts the dose into the library marked
proceed with caution ! We might find that Mitochondrial DNA sequences in the ES
afflicted are ancient and once had a more rational protective purpose or
rather one that was readily understood.....perhaps long before modern
history was documented.

PUK


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I have a crystal by my PC.  It was cheap, I bought it from a Science Museum.

A famous scientist, who use to work for IBM, called Marcel Vogel,
wrote about crystals and metaphysics. 

His bio:  http://www.sunhealer.com/vogel.html

It might be best to read about his authentic publications
concerning crystals.  There are lots of sites which look
dubious.

Kooky



--- On Sat, 1/9/10, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Crystals
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 2:18 PM







 



 


   
     
     
Well that sure is incredible. I'll have to read up on them. Where didyou purchase your crystals & do you wear them? They might act the same waythe QLink does with balancing energies.

 

You had a lot of horrific symptoms & it is amazing that the crystals have subdued all of them.  Loni



--- On Sat, 1/9/10, Christina Steils <csteils@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:



From: Christina Steils <csteils@yahoo. co.uk>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight / Loni

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 12:12 PM



 



Crystals seem to work with me. I have good days and bad days, but they do heal the symptoms with the help of my girlfriend sometimes. 

Other devises as i mentioned have a effects, but they just exaggerated my symptoms? So at least with crystals they cost peanuts.

You may start feeling better because of the Special devises in the house, or is it just because you have removed the house of wifi and dec phones? Detox!

I panicked at first and wasted my money on some devises as they stop working after a month.or two. Harmonizers?

The website said that they carry on forever,, der fell for that one.

Hugging trees was good grounding at first, that real hippy stuff. No more static hands arms, body.



--- On Sat, 9/1/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:



From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight / Loni

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Saturday, 9 January, 2010, 18:56



 



Oh I believe you but what does that have to do with crystals? Are you saying you are not sensitive becauase of the crystals?  I have some crystals. I bought a salt lamp that claimed to cut the radiation down & it was hogwash. It might have some good qualities but it has to be plugged in. I justdon't want people spending money on things they can not return because we are all different. We can end up spending a heck of a lot of money on gadgets that claim to protect us from the frequencies. Everything is worth a tryif you can RETURN it.



 



Loni



--- On Sat, 1/9/10, Christina Steils <csteils@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:



From: Christina Steils <csteils@yahoo. co.uk>



Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight / Loni



To: eSens@yahoogroups. com



Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 11:43 AM



 



Dear Loni



I was pretty bad 19 months ago. A nit of what happened below.



When the crystals are washed. You start using them again!



From



2006 onwards I went several times to see a doctor for heart palpitations, but



they couldn’t find anything wrong with me.



Then in July 2008 I



suddenly started experiencing dizziness on numerous occasions, till it got so



bad one night, suffering even from speech problems, that I ended up in A&E



thinking I had a stroke or heart attack; in the following weeks I underwent



many tests. The results showed I was absolutely fine, but the symptoms stayed.



The doctors told me I just had been stressed, but the thing is I wasn’t



stressed at all prior to this.



 



To



my own shock and confusion I realized that my dizziness always occurred, when I



was in close vicinity to Wifi, mobiles, Blackberries and mobile masts.



Other



symptoms added themselves to the list: excessive sweating during the night,



memory and concentration problems, a pain in my head, and discomfort either



side of my neck [ glands ] pins and needles in my hands, a feeling of being



static (I gave people electric shocks in that early period, when I shook their



hands), prickly skin and even skin rashes. The latter, when I was sitting in



front of my computer or the tv. Even certain light sources (energy saving light



bulbs and neon lights) caused the skin problem to occur.



 



After



medical professionals weren’t able to help, I started my own research and found



many websites and blogs by people, with exactly the same problems as mine. They



are sufferers of electro-sensitivity (ES), a condition fully recognized in



Canada and Sweden as a medical impairment (with 300.000 sufferers in Sweden



alone) but unfortunately ridiculed in the UK. I had never heard of it (thisto



show I am not a hypochondriac) , but once I realized that this was the source of



my problems, I started clearing my home environment from Wifi, DECT phones and



non-essential electrical items. My problems immediately started to get



noticeably better.



 



I would say im 80% better now.



I think i was pretty bad, ive just dealt with it as best i can.



--- On Sat, 9/1/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:



From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>



Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight



To: eSens@yahoogroups. com



Date: Saturday, 9 January, 2010, 17:01



 



I would not rely on a crystal; don't waste your money there. Loni



--- On Sat, 1/9/10, charles <charles@milieuziek t es.be> wrote:



From: charles <charles@milieuziek t es.be>



Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight



To: eSens@yahoogroups. com



Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 4:03 AM



 



Sure for a very short time.



And then, it starts emitting the conceived elektrosmog.



In my opinion, you are not very electrosensitive.



Greetings,



Charles Claessens



member Verband Baubiologie



www.milieuziektes. nl



www.milieuziektes. be



www.hetbitje. nl



checked by Norton



----- Original Message -----



From: "Christina Steils" <csteils@yahoo. co.uk>



To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>



Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:54 AM



Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight



A good crystal does seem to help, cheap and natural.



--- On Fri, 8/1/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:



From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>



Subject: Re: [eSens] Fright and flight



To: eSens@yahoogroups. com



Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 22:17



> I dont carry any EMF protection devises anymore. They just made



things



> worse really. Not on the right frequency, they just exaggerated the



> symptoms.



Maybe you just haven't tried enough... :-)



(I agree that some of these devices make things worse, but not all them)



Marc



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In a message dated 09/01/2010 17:02:25 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email]
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I would not rely on a crystal; don't waste your money there. Loni




puk replies = these crystals are in as much trouble as we are as their
nature is being stolen from them.


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