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Food Choices

Marc Martin
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Hi all,

While we've certainly spent some time here talking about shielding, noise
filtration, and "magic devices", I haven't seen much discussion about
food choices, and how they affect one's EMF sensitivity.

On a heavy metals discussion group, someone noted that their tolerance
for EMF increased when taking a potassium supplement. I then realized
that I also was benefiting from potassium, in that several of the foods I
use to increase my tolerance (e.g, bananas, dates, almonds, sea
vegetation) are high in potassium!

Alternately, I notice that foods high in sodium decrease my tolerance for
EMF. I think sodium reduces the amount of potassium in your body, so that
might be the explanation for that.

I also know that for me, eating oranges and taking chlorella supplements
decreases my tolerance for EMF.

Has anyone else here noticed your EMF sensitivity symptoms improve/worsen
due to the foods you eat?

Marc

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RE: Food Choices

Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)
I've had almost exactly the same experiences as Marc with regard to food
- with the exception of oranges which I like too much to give up anyway!
Also they're rich in potassium - all fruit is I believe.

With regard to potassium I have noticed that since becoming ES this has
been a real problem. When I was suffering particularly badly from EM
exposure and still learning how to control symptoms and situation, I
found that I had to take potassium supplements every day to ameliorate
various symptoms (From memory - insomnia, muscle weakness, heart
palpitations were some). After a while I just ate bananas.  

I try to avoid salt, as potassium levels drop so fast after consumption.
As I understand it - sodium, magnesium and calcium all contribute to the
depression of potassium..but salt certainly seems to exaggerate symptoms
of ES.

I do remember from reading some of Dr Neil Cherry's reports that
biochemistry is strongly affected by exposure to EMFs - for example,
calcium efflux between cells. As some people are more sensitive to
environmental factors than others, it would seem that this mechanism
(de-stabilised biochemistry) is perhaps more easily triggered in them.
However it would be interesting to know what other illnesses could
result from chronic low potassium levels.

Sarah


-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2004 1:06 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Food Choices


Hi all,

While we've certainly spent some time here talking about shielding,
noise filtration, and "magic devices", I haven't seen much discussion
about food choices, and how they affect one's EMF sensitivity.

On a heavy metals discussion group, someone noted that their tolerance
for EMF increased when taking a potassium supplement. I then realized
that I also was benefiting from potassium, in that several of the foods
I use to increase my tolerance (e.g, bananas, dates, almonds, sea
vegetation) are high in potassium!  

Alternately, I notice that foods high in sodium decrease my tolerance
for EMF. I think sodium reduces the amount of potassium in your body, so
that might be the explanation for that.

I also know that for me, eating oranges and taking chlorella supplements
decreases my tolerance for EMF.

Has anyone else here noticed your EMF sensitivity symptoms
improve/worsen due to the foods you eat?

Marc



 
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RE: Food Choices

Lachlan Mudge
In reply to this post by Marc Martin
Yesterday, after reading Marcs email on food but without consciously thinking
about it, I got an intense craving for bananas. Four bananas later, my craving
was finally satisfied. I also took the equivalent of 300mg of elemental
potassium (I like to go to extremes). Today I feel better in a number of ways
including: more energy; clearer thinking; a quieter mind; less agitation and
anxiety. I question whether it is only the potassium content of bananas that
was beneficial to me, since according to the information (suggested by Marc) on
potassium content of various fruits and vegetables, I should have been
consuming large quantities of potassium. Perhaps there is something else, or a
combination of constituents, in bananas that helped me. Interestingly, like
Marc, I don't eat any meat and like Drasko, I also don't eat any other animal
products.
According to the bottle of potassium supplement I bought, "potassium helps to
maintain the correct acid-alkaline balance in the blood and tissues. It
assists in preventing excess body acidity and associated problems and aids the
proper functioning of the nervous system". I have discussed this privately
with another eSens member and suggested that perhaps a link can be made between
the hypothesis that EM radiation causes soil acidity, thus damaging trees
(Volkrodt), and excess acidity in humans. I'm interested to know whether other
ES people have general problems with acidity. This seems relevant since pH
(acidity or alkalinity) is directly related to electric charge within the body,
and we are talking about an electrically induced phenomenon (ES).
Lachlan

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 2:22 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Food Choices

>This discussion is very interesting, I wish we had more active ES
>participants... Marc, how about advertising the list further? But the
>problem really is that ES people simply don't use computers...

If you have any suggestions on places I have neglected to advertise
this list, I'm open to suggestions!

However, I think the list is doing better than I would have expected
-- we've had over 200 messages in the first month, and we have 46
members! That's *far* more successful than past ES groups, which
typically no activity at all.

But yes, like your wife says, I also find that I am more tolerant
if I eat frequently.

Also, if you are not eating any meat, you might want to make sure
you have some sort of food/supplement source of Vitamin B12. I don't
eat meat either, and sometimes have symptoms which are instantly
fixed with B12 (like involuntary eyelid flinching)

Marc




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Re: Food Choices

Drasko Cvijovic
In reply to this post by Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)

Yes, it seems that food has to do with my sensitivity as well! I eat
extremely much salt, and that makes me feel better by other aspects, but
could be that it worsens my ES!
I am interested to try a diet rich in potassium, I am going to let you know
my findings!
Also, my friends "accuse" me of becoming electrosensitive due to generally
lean diet - I never eat meat, and animal products (fish, eggs, milk) I eat
realtively rarely... But all my family eats the same. My wife says that I am
more tolerant to everything when I eat more but I am boring to myself
than... Sometimes I think if I diminished my intellectual and other
ambitions, and relaxed more, that all my symptoms would have been better...
That matches somebody's observation (Sarah's?) that meditation helps...

This discussion is very interesting, I wish we had more active ES
participants... Marc, how about advertising the list further? But the
problem really is that ES people simply don't use computers...

Drasko

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Re: Food Choices

Marc Martin
Administrator
>This discussion is very interesting, I wish we had more active ES
>participants... Marc, how about advertising the list further? But the
>problem really is that ES people simply don't use computers...

If you have any suggestions on places I have neglected to advertise
this list, I'm open to suggestions!

However, I think the list is doing better than I would have expected
-- we've had over 200 messages in the first month, and we have 46
members! That's *far* more successful than past ES groups, which
typically no activity at all.

But yes, like your wife says, I also find that I am more tolerant
if I eat frequently.

Also, if you are not eating any meat, you might want to make sure
you have some sort of food/supplement source of Vitamin B12. I don't
eat meat either, and sometimes have symptoms which are instantly
fixed with B12 (like involuntary eyelid flinching)

Marc

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Re: Food Choices

Marc Martin
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In reply to this post by Drasko Cvijovic
> I am interested to try a diet rich in potassium, I am going to let you
> know my findings!

By the way, here is a list of high-potassium foods:

http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/hbp/prevent/factors/supls.htm

But also, reducing salt (to maintain your potassium levels)
should be as helpful as adding postassium.

Marc

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Re: Food Choices

Marc Martin
Administrator
In reply to this post by Lachlan Mudge
> Marc, I don't eat any meat and like Drasko, I also don't eat any
> other animal products.

Actually, I don't eat any animal products either. In fact, if I
recall correctly, my ES symptoms actually got *worse* when I switched
to a vegan diet. Although that was just initially -- now, I've
figured out a combination of foods which keeps me going.

>I'm interested to know whether other ES people have general problems
>with acidity.

I was extremely acidic a few years ago (when my health was at its
worst), and have pretty much eaten a mostly-Alkaline-forming diet in
the years since, which has seemingly helped a lot. However, my daily
EMF exposure is huge, so it's an ongoing battle -- the EMF is probably
making me more acid, but I counter it by eating foods which make me
more alkaline.

Marc

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Lachlan Mudge
In reply to this post by Marc Martin
I guess one critical thing about a vegan diet is that rather than obtaining all
vital nutrients from animals, it is often more complicated and you need to
think about what you're eating, especially when it comes to FOOD COMBINING. I
think most, if not all essential nutrients can either be supplied or
synthesised through food combining - a lot of people don't realise for example
that most iron is only properly absorbed when there is sufficient vitamin C
present (e.g. eating something acidic like tomatoes at the same time as green
salad vegies is best.....and tasty too). There is no conclusive proof, to my
knowledge, that vitamin B12 can't be obtained through a vegan diet - scientists
can never experimentally make the infinite number of combinations of vegan
foods under the conditions found in the human digestive tract to prove all the
hype about B12. Obviously if one changes their diet from one of meat and three
vegetables to one of three vegetables only, and doesn't supplement their meat
intake with a whole bunch of other fruits, vegetables, grains and pulses, then
they will eventually become ill.
As far as getting vitamin B12, supplements aren't the only way to go in my
opinion, though they are the easy way (dependence is a potential issue with
these though). I try to eat a bit of home grown or organic fruit and veg
that's still dirty as I heard this was another way to get B12 (regardless of
that, I think it's a really good idea as it stimulates your immune system in
our generally sterile environments, provided you have the strength to cope with
it). Anyway, enough vegetarian propaganda from me.
All disagreements will be taken as constructive criticism and used in my
pursuit of knowledge about human nutrition.
Lachlan

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 12:03 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: Food Choices

> Marc, I don't eat any meat and like Drasko, I also don't eat any
> other animal products.

Actually, I don't eat any animal products either. In fact, if I
recall correctly, my ES symptoms actually got *worse* when I switched
to a vegan diet. Although that was just initially -- now, I've
figured out a combination of foods which keeps me going.

>I'm interested to know whether other ES people have general problems
>with acidity.

I was extremely acidic a few years ago (when my health was at its
worst), and have pretty much eaten a mostly-Alkaline-forming diet in
the years since, which has seemingly helped a lot. However, my daily
EMF exposure is huge, so it's an ongoing battle -- the EMF is probably
making me more acid, but I counter it by eating foods which make me
more alkaline.

Marc




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Re: Food Choices

akfixer
In reply to this post by Marc Martin
In a message dated 3/9/2004 10:23:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:
All disagreements will be taken as constructive criticism and used in my
pursuit of knowledge about human nutrition.
Lachlan
*******************
Hi Lachlan, the research on diet that made the most sense to me studied
large groups of people of different ethnic and genetic backgrounds. The
researchers concluded that the adaptations of your past ancestors had a lot to do with
what foods were best for you. Part of the conclusions of this study ( can't
name the study as this was many years ago) was that about 2/3 of the
population could be vegans or meat eaters without much problem if the food choices were
within their genetic experience. However, they also concluded that half of
the remaining 1 /3 must be vegetatians to live healthy lives. And the others
must be meat eaters to live well. Stay well and wealthy Bill W


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Lachlan Mudge
In reply to this post by Marc Martin
Thanks Bill
I definitely agree with what you say and therefore the results of this study.
If you come across it again, I would greatly appreciate if you could let me
know the author/s and title. Diet is a constant worry for me, mainly because
so many people in this country tell me I shouldn't be vegan. I know too many
happy and healthy vegans though to think it's a bad think. I just hope I'm in
the right category.....

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 2:10 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Food Choices

In a message dated 3/9/2004 10:23:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:
All disagreements will be taken as constructive criticism and used in my
pursuit of knowledge about human nutrition.
Lachlan
*******************
Hi Lachlan, the research on diet that made the most sense to me studied
large groups of people of different ethnic and genetic backgrounds. The
researchers concluded that the adaptations of your past ancestors had a lot to
do with
what foods were best for you. Part of the conclusions of this study ( can't
name the study as this was many years ago) was that about 2/3 of the
population could be vegans or meat eaters without much problem if the food
choices were
within their genetic experience. However, they also concluded that half of
the remaining 1 /3 must be vegetatians to live healthy lives. And the others
must be meat eaters to live well. Stay well and wealthy Bill W


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Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)
In reply to this post by Marc Martin
I also know about this diet - apparently it works really well although
I've never tried it myself. You first have to have a blood test to find
out which type you are, then you go on whichever diet is suitable for
this bloodtype. I think, for example, that Type O people need to eat
meat. I'll get a copy of the diet and post the details. Its also
apparently a very effective way of losing weight - as the body is then
only taking in substances that it is genetically programmed to deal
with.

Sarah

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 2:40 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Food Choices


In a message dated 3/9/2004 10:23:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:
All disagreements will be taken as constructive criticism and used in my
pursuit of knowledge about human nutrition. Lachlan
*******************
Hi Lachlan, the research on diet that made the most sense to me studied

large groups of people of different ethnic and genetic backgrounds. The

researchers concluded that the adaptations of your past ancestors had a
lot to do with
what foods were best for you. Part of the conclusions of this study (
can't
name the study as this was many years ago) was that about 2/3 of the
population could be vegans or meat eaters without much problem if the
food choices were
within their genetic experience. However, they also concluded that half
of
the remaining 1 /3 must be vegetatians to live healthy lives. And the
others
must be meat eaters to live well. Stay well and wealthy Bill W


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Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)
In reply to this post by Marc Martin
As I was saying to Lachlan 'off list' I think that lack of protein can
sometimes produce ES-like symptoms. Protein powder - soya-based is
good. Interesitng that so many on this list are veg....makes you
wonder...

The other thing to mention is commercial milk. I'm always telling
people to drink either organic or Biodynamic milk which contains no
hormones or antibiotics. I have also found that hormone disturbances
can also cause ES-type symptoms.  

Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: Drasko Cvijovic [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 11:25 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Food Choices



Yes, it seems that food has to do with my sensitivity as well! I eat
extremely much salt, and that makes me feel better by other aspects, but
could be that it worsens my ES! I am interested to try a diet rich in
potassium, I am going to let you know my findings! Also, my friends
"accuse" me of becoming electrosensitive due to generally lean diet - I
never eat meat, and animal products (fish, eggs, milk) I eat realtively
rarely... But all my family eats the same. My wife says that I am more
tolerant to everything when I eat more but I am boring to myself than...
Sometimes I think if I diminished my intellectual and other ambitions,
and relaxed more, that all my symptoms would have been better... That
matches somebody's observation (Sarah's?) that meditation helps...

This discussion is very interesting, I wish we had more active ES
participants... Marc, how about advertising the list further? But the
problem really is that ES people simply don't use computers...

Drasko




 
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akfixer
In reply to this post by Marc Martin
In a message dated 3/9/2004 11:46:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:
just hope I'm in
the right category.....
****************
Lachlan, If my memory serves me right, the categories for vegan or meat
eaters were determined by long questioner and blood and other tissue tests and
neurological reactions. Occasionaly I have seen references to this work in
some journals. When I run across such work again I will relay the info to you.
I do believe the main factor for a healthy diet is food ithat is grown on
healthy soil. The principles put forth by Sir Albert Howard in the early 1900's
in the formation of the Organic Farming concepts still stand today. That is:
healthy soil= healthy animals= healthy people. Unfortunately the medical
cartel has taken people out of the sun for fictitious dangers. Thus depriving
the body of that source of Vit. D. Outside of calcium, magnesium, Vit D is a
most important need to the body. Stay well and wealthy Bill W


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Nikolaj Holtermann
In reply to this post by Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)
Hi,

I am EHS with liver/digestion problems, so I found, I was much better staying off vegetable proteins and fats. However, I need plenty animal proteins and frequent meals.

My salt balance and pH-balance is skewed as well. I have a strong craving for sea salt - NaCl - however take salt as herbal salt with potassium added to avoid getting to low in potassium. Also to avoid too much cloride. I am also taking a lot of different cell salts from New Era in the UK - based on my own reactions, recommendations from other EHS (Lucinda Grants survey's copied to the esens library etc.) and my kinesiology tests.

I reckon, I am rather too alkaline than too acidic - based on previous tests, however, it is quite unstable, I think.

Nikolaj, writing in brain fog :-)



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cand. scient., sundhedskonsulent
----- Original Message -----
From: Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 10:41 AM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Food Choices


As I was saying to Lachlan 'off list' I think that lack of protein can
sometimes produce ES-like symptoms. Protein powder - soya-based is
good. Interesitng that so many on this list are veg....makes you
wonder...

The other thing to mention is commercial milk. I'm always telling
people to drink either organic or Biodynamic milk which contains no
hormones or antibiotics. I have also found that hormone disturbances
can also cause ES-type symptoms.

Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: Drasko Cvijovic [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 11:25 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Food Choices



Yes, it seems that food has to do with my sensitivity as well! I eat
extremely much salt, and that makes me feel better by other aspects, but
could be that it worsens my ES! I am interested to try a diet rich in
potassium, I am going to let you know my findings! Also, my friends
"accuse" me of becoming electrosensitive due to generally lean diet - I
never eat meat, and animal products (fish, eggs, milk) I eat realtively
rarely... But all my family eats the same. My wife says that I am more
tolerant to everything when I eat more but I am boring to myself than...
Sometimes I think if I diminished my intellectual and other ambitions,
and relaxed more, that all my symptoms would have been better... That
matches somebody's observation (Sarah's?) that meditation helps...

This discussion is very interesting, I wish we had more active ES
participants... Marc, how about advertising the list further? But the
problem really is that ES people simply don't use computers...

Drasko





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Flavio
In reply to this post by Marc Martin
Hi all,

I have noticed that my EMF sensitivity increases when I am going
through some sort of detox or cleansing episode. As the cleansing
episode goes away the EMF sensitivity decreases markedly or even
disappear.

Maybe the bad EMF actually activate all those circulating toxins.
yeah, that just came to my mind.

Flavio


--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> While we've certainly spent some time here talking about
shielding, noise
> filtration, and "magic devices", I haven't seen much discussion
about
> food choices, and how they affect one's EMF sensitivity.
>
> On a heavy metals discussion group, someone noted that their
tolerance
> for EMF increased when taking a potassium supplement. I then
realized
> that I also was benefiting from potassium, in that several of the
foods I
> use to increase my tolerance (e.g, bananas, dates, almonds, sea
> vegetation) are high in potassium!
>
> Alternately, I notice that foods high in sodium decrease my
tolerance for
> EMF. I think sodium reduces the amount of potassium in your body,
so that
> might be the explanation for that.
>
> I also know that for me, eating oranges and taking chlorella
supplements
> decreases my tolerance for EMF.
>
> Has anyone else here noticed your EMF sensitivity symptoms
improve/worsen
> due to the foods you eat?
>
> Marc

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Flavio
In reply to this post by Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)
Hi Sarah,


> sometimes produce ES-like symptoms. Protein powder - soya-based is
> good. Interesitng that so many on this list are veg....makes you
> wonder...

Since vegetarians are more healthy conscious than most people, it is
more probable that they target EMF sensitivity as a problem...
instead of blaming the boss, life or the spouse for the symptoms.

Flavio


>
> The other thing to mention is commercial milk. I'm always telling
> people to drink either organic or Biodynamic milk which contains no
> hormones or antibiotics. I have also found that hormone
disturbances

> can also cause ES-type symptoms.
>
> Sarah
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drasko Cvijovic [mailto:pecina@c...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 11:25 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Food Choices
>
>
>
> Yes, it seems that food has to do with my sensitivity as well! I
eat
> extremely much salt, and that makes me feel better by other
aspects, but
> could be that it worsens my ES! I am interested to try a diet rich
in
> potassium, I am going to let you know my findings! Also, my friends
> "accuse" me of becoming electrosensitive due to generally lean
diet - I
> never eat meat, and animal products (fish, eggs, milk) I eat
realtively
> rarely... But all my family eats the same. My wife says that I am
more
> tolerant to everything when I eat more but I am boring to myself
than...
> Sometimes I think if I diminished my intellectual and other
ambitions,
> and relaxed more, that all my symptoms would have been better...
That
> matches somebody's observation (Sarah's?) that meditation helps...
>
> This discussion is very interesting, I wish we had more active ES
> participants... Marc, how about advertising the list further? But
the
> problem really is that ES people simply don't use computers...
>
> Drasko
>
>
>
>
>
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