Ferrite Rings for corded mouse/keyboard?

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chupa38
I was reading an article which mentions that with a cell phone and wired headphones you can get 3x more radiation then bluetooth due to the fact that the radiation travels through the wires and directly into your ears. What I am wondering is if the same principal is true for computers. I have my m1 mac about 6 feet from me which is powered by a wall outlet (surge protector) that is 5 feet. The wifi and bluetooth is turned off fwiw. Is the radiation from the. Mac traveling throguh the usb cable and extention cables, and that is why I am getting pressure in my head and ears, while just using the keyboard and mouse (to the point where I have to abandon the effort)? I wonder if these rings would solve that issue?

https://beatemf.com/bluetooth-vs-wired-headphones-radiation/

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CWCSNW9/?tag=beatemf-20
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NoRadiationForYou
Hello
From the info you gave, you seem to be living in a high EMF house.
The extra radiation you might be getting from the wired earpiece is the least of your problems.
The wired earpiece, have a small speaker in the earpiece that emits ELF magnetic and electric fields.
In addition, when connected to an RF emitting device, such as a smartphone, or when in an environment with RF in it, the wire might pick up some of the RF. But in any case, a Bluetooth earpiece will emit much more (like 10000 times more RF) than a wired earpiece.
The way around the 2 issues with wired earpieces is to use an air tube earpiece.
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Marc Martin
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Personally, I never found ferrites on the mouse/keyboard cable to make any difference.  Although your experiences may be different.

I mean, you could completely sever the electrical connection between your PC and mouse/keyboard by getting a fiber optic USB extender.  Expensive, and would require an extra wall wart to power the USB on the mouse/keyboard end.  I tried this once, but didn't like it as a solution.

Again, my solution was to use old PS/2 keyboards & mice, with the mice having a roller ball instead of an LED.  And having a PC that doesn't dump a lot of noise onto the PS/2 connectors is good also.  :-)  Or having a non-noisy USB to PS/2 adapter works too.
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chupa38
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Oh haha yeah Im not using a wired headset. I just wondered if the same principles applied to a wired mouse and keyboard.
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chupa38
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One weird thing to me and maybe you know why this is but when I use thr trifield tr2 meter on electric weighted or standard the mouse and keyboard have high measurments even though my computer is powered off with it unplugged. The keyboard measures 76vm with a peak of 176 by touching the meter to it.The mouse is 7 - 24 vm depending on the part of the mouse I touch with the meter.
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Merializer
are you touching your trifield when measuring electric fields? You shouldn't, keep some distance.
Electric fields on stuff can be picked up from other cables or electric fields near it, or from your body picking up electric fields.
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chupa38
I have it set on the desk touching the mouse snd keyboard. I also cut the power to the mac by unplugging it. If its picking up electric fields then these ferrite rings might be a good solution no?
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Merializer
Ferrites probably won't do much. And a mouse and keyboard make some EMF by themselves, I tested this with a battery connected to mice in videos (it's on YouTube). If you connect them to a computer, the computer adds EMI or dirty power to that. If you haven't watched my videos,, watch them, you may understand the situation better.
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Merializer
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What happens if you turn off the breakers?
If the electric fields go away, it could just be from ambient electric fields,
coming from cables in the walls or something.
If you disconnect your computer from the power and the network cable as well,
you shouldn't have high electric on your mouse or keyboard from those, it must be ambient.
Maybe high electric could come from a modem that has no ground plug,
like seen in my telephone videos. Experiment a lot to found what the source is.



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chupa38
Yeah could be, and I'll fully admit I'm completely dumb to this stuff. Im just trying to figure out how I can continue to use my computer (part of my livelihood) without feeling like my head will explode. Since its wired to the teeth and the bluetooth/wifi turned off im trying to figure out why just using the mouse and keyboard are hurting me since the emf reading is low around the keyboard and mouse but when you touch the meter to them they are outrageously high (electric weighted measurement). I have noticed the plug for the mac is only 2 prong. Does that mean its not grounded? Thanks for taking an interest!
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Marc Martin
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Yes, 2-prong is ungrounded.  Although you can buy a special USB cable to ground it.  Or if your ethernet is grounded, then that could also ground it.  Although you don't want to ground it more than once, as you could set up a ground loop (potentially)
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Marc Martin
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Here's a typical USB grounding cable:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/828680344/
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chupa38
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Thanks for your help! If I had it plugged into a surge protector with 3 prong cord that would ground it right.

For ethernet I run a long cable under the carpet from the router in the living room to my bedroom. It then plugs into netgear gs205  5 port switch. This allowed me to relocate the mac 6 feet from where I sit. It also lets me keep the mac ethernet cable plugged in and have ethernet for my tablet which I use to watch youtube content wired (no Bluetooth or wifi). The usb cords touch the Ethernet cords on the desk. Could that be an issue?
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Marc Martin
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Yes, grounding to a surge protector should ground it, as long as the outlet it is plugged into is properly grounded.  You can use a plug-in outlet tester to verify that the outlet is okay.

I don't think the USB cords touching the ethernet cord is necessarily an issue, although of the things you've described here:

-- I've personally had less of a reaction the 8-port netgear switches than the 5-port switches.  Also, the older version numbers (e.g. version 3) are more tolerable than the newer version numbers of these switches.

-- People can react differently to different kinds of ethernet cables.  Generally you see people insisting on the use of shielded CAT 7 cables, but for me personally, after having tried them all, I find unshielded CAT 6 to be the most tolerable.  Might be just me, or something about my setup.

-- Watching YouTube content while streaming it off the internet seems to be more problematic than downloading it first and playing it later.  Not sure why, but streaming seems to cause people lots of issues, wired or not.
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chupa38
Wow good info thanks! I dont seem to have any reactions from my ipad streaming via ethernet. I get strong reactions to using my mac though now. I guess its the mouse and keyboard. Ill have to try a ball mouse since the one I got was touted as the lowest emf optical out there. Maybe a faraday cage for the mac mini would help. I just dont seem to get very high readings emf/elec/rf wise from it unless right up against it. The monitor might be a culprit since its 3 feet away (benq). I heard they can have issues if the power supply is not external. The montitor does not seem to produce much vm emf unless right next to it. I think maybe its the keyboard mostly.
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chupa38
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Yep your right no difference whatsoever. :/ No difference in the meter either. Im just trying to figure out how I can still use the internet without feeling like my head is being probed. I dont understand why when I use my phone corded (ethernet cable + otc ethernet adapter), phone in airplane mode, gps turned off, data off I cant hold the phone. Am I alergic to the V/m being given off from the phone screen and cpu? I guess I need to get a ps2 ball mouse and old keyboard? Unfortunately I have a new mac and am told these dont work so well on macs if at all? Does anyone on here have a solution for macs? Ive already got it 6 feet from me and use a supposedly low emf mouse and wired mechanical keyboard. Wifi/ bluetooth is shut off. I know I need to move immediately but its not really in the cards right now Unless I wanna become homeless.

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Marc Martin
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When I used Macs in the 1990s, before there was USB, there were ADB keyboards and mice.  And the mice had a rollerball.  So maybe those, with some kind of adapter, would work better with a modern day Mac?  I don't know.
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chupa38
Good call! Your brilliant! Thank-you! Need to find a recycle mac store now.
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chupa38
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Have you seen this or maybe tried it?

https://www.nativeemf.com/product-page/keyboard

Seems stupid expensive. A little bit cheaper if purchased off ebay.
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steve
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I used to do that but I believe with a Mac OS update some years ago the adapters stopped working. I don't think they will work any more