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Hi Everyone:

I'm just wondering if I could get some feedback on how flying was for
other people with ES. I use to fly alot with no problem but since last
Jan. with ES my life is different. I'm now quite sensitive to the
frequencies from televisions, computers and high voltage wires, cell
towers when driving. I don't watch televison at all and stay on the
computer for short periods.

I actually won a trip to Las Vegas (the ES person's dream vacation :).
I'm not intending to go anywhere until I can handle the ES better but
I'd like to hear what other people's experiences are with flying and if
you've stayed in hotels, how that went.

Thanks,

Donna

Marc Martin

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> I'd like to hear what other people's experiences are with flying and if
> you've stayed in hotels, how that went.

When I was at my most sensitive, I went on a trip -- being at the airport
was bothersome, mostly due to the monitor screens everywhere. The
airplane was bothersome due to the fluorescent lights above your
head, also due to people next to you with their portable DVD players
and laptops. The hotels were bad due to the energy-efficient florescent
lighting (which I would sometimes replace with my own incandescent bulbs),
also you can have trouble if the room next door has their TV on, and
the TV is on the other side of the wall to your bed. Also, wi-fi
transmitters can be a problem if your room is too close to the
transmitter.

Before going on the trip, I was worried about being too close to the
airplane's engines. However, as it turned out, this wasn't a problem
at all -- and on one leg of the trip, I was sitting in the back of
the plane right next to an engine!

Marc

Andrew McAfee

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I just recently did a plane trip to NY and back. I used Bach's Rescue
Remedy with some success.
Andrew
On Oct 16, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Marc Martin wrote:

>> I'd like to hear what other people's experiences are with flying and
>> if
>> you've stayed in hotels, how that went.
>
> When I was at my most sensitive, I went on a trip -- being at the
> airport
> was bothersome, mostly due to the monitor screens everywhere. The
> airplane was bothersome due to the fluorescent lights above your
> head, also due to people next to you with their portable DVD players
> and laptops. The hotels were bad due to the energy-efficient
> florescent
> lighting (which I would sometimes replace with my own incandescent
> bulbs),
> also you can have trouble if the room next door has their TV on, and
> the TV is on the other side of the wall to your bed. Also, wi-fi
> transmitters can be a problem if your room is too close to the
> transmitter.
>
> Before going on the trip, I was worried about being too close to the
> airplane's engines. However, as it turned out, this wasn't a problem
> at all -- and on one leg of the trip, I was sitting in the back of
> the plane right next to an engine!
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

BiBrun

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I found (based on recent measurements in two planes, one a Boeing 787) the
back of the plane is better. The strobe lights on the planes may be part of
the problem. There are pulsing magnetic
fields, and RF or microwaves throughout the flight.

I've worn a silver veil, shirt and shorts my last 2 trips.

Be aware of wi-fi in the airports; also cell users on the plane before
take-off and after landing.

Ask for a hotel room away from Wi-Fi antennas, and elevators, ice machine
etc.

Good idea to bring a couple light bulbs. In one hotel maintenance was nice
about bringing me a normal bulb.

Good luck (set a limit for gambling...)
Bill

On 10/16/07, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> > I'd like to hear what other people's experiences are with flying and
> if
> > you've stayed in hotels, how that went.
>
> When I was at my most sensitive, I went on a trip -- being at the airport
> was bothersome, mostly due to the monitor screens everywhere. The
> airplane was bothersome due to the fluorescent lights above your
> head, also due to people next to you with their portable DVD players
> and laptops. The hotels were bad due to the energy-efficient florescent
> lighting (which I would sometimes replace with my own incandescent bulbs),
> also you can have trouble if the room next door has their TV on, and
> the TV is on the other side of the wall to your bed. Also, wi-fi
> transmitters can be a problem if your room is too close to the
> transmitter.
>
> Before going on the trip, I was worried about being too close to the
> airplane's engines. However, as it turned out, this wasn't a problem
> at all -- and on one leg of the trip, I was sitting in the back of
> the plane right next to an engine!
>
> Marc
>
>

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jaime_schunkewitz

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> with ES my life is different. I'm now quite sensitive to the
> frequencies from televisions, computers and high voltage wires, cell
> towers when driving. I don't watch televison at all and stay on the
> computer for short periods.

Sounds awfully similar to my situation.

I had no discernible reaction on a plane from Newark,
crap jersey to Florida. There was about 7 milli gauss on the
plane, which pulsed every few seconds.

It was surprising that I didn't get a terribly bad
reaction to the magnetic field. Such a high
measurement from high voltage power lines on the
ground causes severe symptoms for me.

Eli

PUK

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In a message dated 10/16/2007 5:38:50 PM GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I had no discernible reaction on a plane from Newark,
crap jersey to Florida. There was about 7 milli gauss on the
plane, which pulsed every few seconds.

It was surprising that I didn't get a terribly bad
reaction to the magnetic field. Such a high
measurement from high voltage power lines on the
ground causes severe symptoms for me.

Eli

Same for me - I can handle a quick flight ok, last yr I was stranded in
airport for 12 ht-rs that was different so I wore my headnet after 4hrs, theory -
maybe the body can take a good wack when adrenaline etc is present such as
the type you get when embarking on hols ?but in normal lfe not so

p uk

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BiBrun

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I agree it's surprising for me also I tolerated the magnetic
field so well. It could be that it has essentially no 60Hz component?
Or because there's no corresponding electric field as there tends
to be when not in a metal fuselage?

Bill
PS: I said Boing 787 but those aren't flying yet; should have said 767.

On 10/16/07, jaime_schunkewitz <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> > with ES my life is different. I'm now quite sensitive to the
> > frequencies from televisions, computers and high voltage wires, cell
> > towers when driving. I don't watch televison at all and stay on the
> > computer for short periods.
>
> Sounds awfully similar to my situation.
>
> I had no discernible reaction on a plane from Newark,
> crap jersey to Florida. There was about 7 milli gauss on the
> plane, which pulsed every few seconds.
>
> It was surprising that I didn't get a terribly bad
> reaction to the magnetic field. Such a high
> measurement from high voltage power lines on the
> ground causes severe symptoms for me.
>
> Eli
>
>
>

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Hi Everyone:

Thanks to all for your feedback on reactions to flying. I appreciate the
info.

Donna

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timidas

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I am fairly reluctant to fly after my last experience heart palpitations when lying in bed after the outward flight.The return flight a few hours after the plane had landed.I had an uncontrollable bout of rage towards by step mother and father which is completely out of character and i,ve never done before to anybody.I have no doubt this was an EHS symptom but trying to convince my family and everybody that this was most probably the case was an impossible task.They all insisted i should see a doctor and seek help.But i,ve seen three different gps and all insist theres no scientific evidence that emfs are harmful which i now know is completely incorrect.

April R

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Timidas, it has been my personal experience that electromagnetic frequencies can trigger _all_ emotional reactions if conditions are right for a precise one. I've had rage, fear, guilt and even way too happy for too long come and go on a dime depending on what I'm currently being exposed to. Not that that's conclusive scientific 'proof', but you're definitely not alone on this one.

April R

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huh, didn't even know something like this existed

http://www.uncommongoods.com/product/love-tuner

just like what I was talking about...odd

timidas

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Thats reassuring to know i am not alone.Interesting how these frequencies can trigger emotion i remember when i had wifi i use to get almost tearful about the most trivial things mind you that could also have been the lack of sleep.

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sailplane

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It's not just EMF you're getting while flying,
see this article:

http://news.spaceweather.com/rads-on-a-plane-may-oct-2015/

http://news.spaceweather.com/category/aviationradiation/
Jan. 20, 2017: A new study published in the peer-reviewed journal Space Weather reports the discovery of radiation “clouds” at aviation altitudes. When airplanes fly through these clouds, dose rates of cosmic radiation normally absorbed by air travelers can double or more.

The cosmic radiation is going up.. You get quite a bit of radiation going on a flight, and sometimes there are hot spots up there with even more than it says in that article.

NoRadiationForYou

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HI
I haven't flown for about 6 years, but many people come to me and ask me this, some reports back.
I recommend to:
1. Stay away from long lines, keep a safety distance from people with cellphones and wireless devices.
2. When boarding the plan, wait next to the line for the last moment so you will be as less time on the plan when every one send his last text message or phone call.
3. Chose a flight without WIFI.
4. If possible ask to sit away from other people.
5. ask not to pas via X-RAY based security tests. Ask to be tested manually.
6. in the air port, try to stay away from the windows.
7. if needed use RF Protection in the plan.
8. Take food supplements (GABA+Anti oxidents before, and after the flight
see more info - http://www.norad4u.com/q-a/longdistancetravelthetransportmethodofchoiceforehs

Hotel -
1. Chose an a hotel that does not have cell tower on top, or opposite to.
2. Take your EMF meter with you
3. Take mylar blankets with you , in case you need temp protection.

Try to enjoy!
amirb

Amir Borenstein
www.norad4u.com
www.4EHSByEHS.com

SuperLaura

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I have been asking about this as well. My husband got a trip to a 5 star resort out of the country. I stayed home because I am very sensitive, at this point I wouldn't even dare go. It really depends on person to person but I've been told to fly at the back of the plane and to avoid seats with TVs and airplanes with wifi. For me, I can barely make it through a movie at the theater without terrible chest pains and feeling like I'm dying so I will not be braving flying anytime soon!!! Some people have no problems with it but I would be weary of it if you are super sensitive.

SuperLaura

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Also if you have problems driving it might actually be the vehicle. Vehicle engines emit very high magnetic fields. They max out my meters if I put close to the floor where your feet go. Some vehicles are better than others but for me driving can actually be unsafe if I drive too frequently as I can get very sick. I used to think it was the cell towers and power lines but these things are nothing compared to the EMF the vehicle emits (and thats without Bluetooth being on). If I can't handle driving for more than a half hour I seriously question how I myself will react to flying. I'd personally rather be safe than sorry!!!