Experience

After 16 years of measuring and observing electrosensitive persons, while studying the reasons and causes why some persons have become electrosensitive, I have obtained great knowledge about it.
THis resulted in a therapy, and a number of tricks how to cope.
Numerous persons have followed this and lead a *normal* life again.

There is a person, who lives under a canopy, and all electricitry in the house must be shut off.
It is one of the heaviest electrosenitive cases around.
I have seen what happened when the mains electricity was switched on.
Aside to that there are quite a number of other known elektrosmog sources.

We have had this person in our appartment for 10 days, with all electricity switched on.
Of course, we have here a number of *VooDoo* tricks applied.
I have treated this person with a brains machine (NLS) and the 30 points plan.

The person could sit hours on my computer, could see television for hours (after many years!), sat twice in our infra-red sauna, had twice an ionic foot spa, and could walk daily to our shopping center, amidst mobile phone masts, DECT, Wifi,  etc.

This is just one example out of many persons, who applied my advices.
(The needed surroundings of 120dB Hyperschall has decreased to 60dB by all artificial radiation of elektrosmog, but my ClaeSmog brings it back to 120dB.)

(See my posting 24 June (Help adapters.
The trick there was that the transversal waves of 4G still came through, but the biological active longitudinal waves were reflected).

However, many persons prefer trying to invent a (square) wheel again themselves.
So here also.
I refrain now from giving advices again.
(Pearls for the swines)

Hello Charles,

This claesmog of yours, I don't see a page on your website (http://www.milieuziektes.nl) where it can be purchased, at least not in English. I tried the bioprotect card from that poster Dietrich a few years back, but found it ineffective. Given this, would the claesmog also be inneffective? Have many others on this site have found the claesmog effective?

Also, in another post I saw you refer to a type of shielding material, Aaronia A2000 glassfiber material, that you say is effective in shielding longitudinal waves. I haven't been on this forum too often over the past year or so,  but from what I remember several years ago, you seemed to say on this forum that there was no way of shielding against the longitudinal waves. Is this a new development, the shielding of longitudinal waves? And are you sure that it is only the longitudinal waves that are causing the negative reactions in people? Would this kind of shielding be effective against all wireless radiowaves?
Is this the stuff you are referring to:
http://www.aaronia.com/products/shielding-screening/A2000+-20dB/

And what is the brains machine that you are talking about (NLS)?

Excuse me if you have answered some of these questions before, but for obvious reasons (i.e. I can't spend long on computers), myself and others cannot spend long trawling through posts. As for your observations that seem to suggest that people here are constantly ignoring you, I would presume that for most people your 30 points you mention involves a lot of money and would seem a lot of investment for some people. They have probably tried many things in the past, including some things on your list, and have tried products such as ionic foot spas etc that didn't work for them. They are not wilfully ignoring advice.

Regards,
Sean

Yes, I've tried several things on Charles' 30-points plan, and none of them helped.
That includes the BioProtect Card, the ClaeSmog, the Aaronia A2000 glassfiber, AND
ionic footbaths.  And in fact, the footbaths made me much worse.

On the other hand, I have seen benefits from other things -- Quantum Products,
Earthcalm, Springlife Polarizers, etc.  So everyone is different...

Marc

Yes, my 30 points plan is very expensive.
In the local grocery store, the Curcuma, Cayennepepper and Koriander do cost a fortune.
Vitamins, nutrients and Calcium just do cost, just as Hempseed or hemp oil, and Essiac tea.
Moringa oleifera and coconut oil do also cost a fortune.
Downloading the free book *Flow System Therapy* costs a lot of energy, as is with downloading the free FreeShield and printing it.
Colloïdal silver can be made by yourself easily.
Via the sound card of your computer, you can use the *Poor man's Rife*. All frequencies can be found on the Internet, and there are simple programs to make audio-files from the frequencies.
Trauma's can be eliminated with the Diospyros Kaki Creveld, which costs $ 8 a tube granules.
The green clay is also expensive, like dr. Mercola's Immune Support, and Metal Relase EX.
The laser of a *level meter* can *clean* rooms.
The strips for measuring the PH value are also expensive, as is the needed *baking soda* for raising the PH.

The only items that are really expensive are the ionic foot spa ($300) and the ClaeSmog or ClaeProtect ($100).

I do not know if Marc did all the aforementioned. I have overhere persons who could work on their laptop for only 10 minutes a day. With a ClaeSmog and an ClaeProtect on their laptop, they now work 8 hours a day on the same computer.
One person had curtains with Swiss Shield, but had problems in the bedroom. After usinf this Aaronia glassfibre, the problems were gone. On Pagina600 on my website I have placed a number of photographs where small items are shielded with this Aaronia A2000. Even my computer case.

Overhere reports about the Earthcalm were negative. The Springlife Polariser is good, I have one.
Many people are satisfied with the BioProtect card ($24) . Many have *diffused* a number of mobile phone masts, with success.  

With the aforementioned NLS (Vector) system ($1000), the underlying causes for electrosensitivity can be found and treated. You will be amazed to see how many microorganisms are *eating their way*.

But, nobody is obliged to follow my advises. We, and many others have benefitted greatly.
I won't bother anymore.

Okay, since Charles' highlighted a few more things, I can also report my experiences with some of those...

...Koriander (cilantro) is one of the ingredient in Bioray's NDF product, which I took a lot of years ago and definitely improved a lot during that time period.  Unfortunately, you do see a lot of people reporting extreme adverse reactions to Cilantro, so one needs to be cautious.

As for calcium, I actually seem to have symptoms of not enough calcium in some place and too much calcium in others, so I have lately focused on calcium redistribution, via Vitamin K2 (Thorne) and D3 (mushroom extract).  I find both of these to be beneficial.  Also the enzyme Serrapeptase, which I think eats away calcium deposits (and also parasites) has been beneficial for me.

Anything with hemp in it causes me extreme side pains -- I'm not sure if that it worsening a pre-existing ulcer, or maybe a kidney issue.  Nevertheless, I avoid hemp.

Coconut oil, curiously, causes weakness in my legs, so I avoid anything with coconut in it.

The FreeShield was unpleasant for me to use.

Colloidal silver makes my ES worse. However, I find oregano oil to be good.

Also, I've been taking black cumin seed oil lately, also very good.

As for clay, yes, I've taken bentonite, often also with psyllium powder, for years, and find this to be good.

Baking soda causes me abdominal pain if used consistently, but I do find "green foods" to be helpful for pH.  Also I have taken a lot of Microhydrin/Megahydrate in the past for that.  Certainly excess acidity is an issue for me.

Earthcalm does have a lot of negative reports, but also some very positive ones (especially on some of the Facebook groups).  So it's definitely one of things that people could/should try.

The problem with Springlife Polarizers is that these are no longer manufactured, so you can only find them used.  And it's pretty hard to even do that.

I've been experimenting with Pulsors lately, which seem to do something, but I'm not that sensitive any more, so it's hard to say for sure how much these are helping.

Marc

I have tried an ionic footspa. I got it on ebay; while it wasn't one of the expensive ones that you mentioned your wife used a few years back Charles, it cost me about $450 in total. The spa "seemed" to work, as the water turned brown etc, but my esens symtpoms did not change. And I used that spa for months. Maybe it didn't work because it was a cheap one, maybe not.
I also tried the poor mans Rife. I downloaded the Rife frequencies onto CDs 3 or 4 years ago and tried that; I didn't notice any changes. I have tried several supplements also.
Where is your ClaeSmog and Claeprotect being sold? I cannot find the English webpages where it is being sold. Do I have to contact you if I wish to buy it?

I guess people come onto the forum and see Marc Martin and others stating that some of the things on your list haven't worked, and may be reluctant to go splashing out money on expensive ionic footspas or rife machines or whatever. Or they may have tried some of the things on your list like Marc Martin and found little benefit.

Like I said, the bioprotect card didn't work for me. I haven't tried any of the "gizmos" that were mentioned on this forum over the years, such as Earthcalm of Quantum products. Again, it was mainly a finance issue. I looked into the quantum products, but I tried the small Quantum Byte programme on my laptop, and it didn't have any effect. That put me off buying any of the larger Quantum products.
I may try out that Earthcalm in the near future. I may give the Aaronia A2000 shielding a go.
 
Marc, you have been running this forum from the start. Are the opinions still fairly divisive as to what works and what doesn't? I know that you have had success with the Quantum products. Have you heard many others talk of their positive effects, or have not many tried them out?   When you state that you are not that sensitive any more, would you put that down mostly to detoxifying with the supplements you used over the years? Or are you still dependent on having the quantum products turned on at all times when you use electronics? And have you found any shielding effective?

On http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina300.html the experiences of a number of persons in the Netherlands, Germany, and at the end in Australia have been placed.

The persons in Australia has lost his ClaeSmog for the third time, and has ordered a new one, togehther with a ClaeProtect. He does not do so, if he was not satisfied with it.

If a number of things do not seem to work, it could be, that among others, a number of microorganisms are too well fed and crawling, and that the liver is overloaded.

Yes, there is a huge variation in what works for people.  Over the years, I've seen many people say that something helps them a lot, and I will sometimes try exactly the same thing and it doesn't help me at all, or it makes me worse.  However, sometimes you will find others who are helped by the same things.

As for the Quantum Products, some people here have tried them out, and I've even seen some who have been helped by them the same as me.  But again, I'd say that it's probably less then 33% who will experience benefits, and I think you can use the free trial Quantum Byte software to tell that.

As for my improvements, I think it's been a combination of things, that include detox, supplements, and EMF devices.  I am not totally dependent on EMF devices, but they certainly still help, and I still use them.

As for shielding, the main problem with it that I find it's simply not practical for the places I'd need it most -- like outside of my house, on travel, etc.  And I react badly to shielded clothing, so that's out.  So I had to go with a different solution.

Marc

i'm not trying to be difficult Charles, but I can't see any link on that page, or other pages on your website, to where I can purchase this item (the Claesmog or ClaeProtect). Do you sell these wholesale or do you just sell these to people you are working with personally?

Marc, the stage you are at now in your healing, do you think you could go back to immersing yourself in a high-emf environment like "normal" people ( e.g. in office spaces, etc) without the quantum devices etc, with no negative reactions? Or have you just "healed" to a point where you can handle the emfs with the devices and limited exposure? I presume that full healing, to the point where non-electrosensitive people are at, would be almost impossible unless your immune system totally rebooted to a pre-poor health state. Which would require all of the health issues that caused the weakening of your immune system in the first place to be healed, be they toxic overload, hormonal problems, digestive system problems, or whatever. (In my case I have type 1 diabetes, which is an autoimmune disease, which i'm sure has impacted negatively on my immune system, along with other health issues).
That's not to diminish the improvements that you and others seemed to have made in now being able to handle high emf environments.

In order to obatin a ClaeSmog one has to send me an e-mail.

As I have decribed earler, there are a number of persons who could *live and work* in an elektrosmog polluted environment.

There is a lady who earlier had trouble leaving the house, who is now travelling with public transport, going abroad, en sleeping in hotels full Wifi, as she reports to me.
Other can work again in the office where everybody works *wireless*.
So it is quite possible.

> Marc, the stage you are at now in your healing, do you think you could go
> back to immersing yourself in a high-emf environment like "normal" people (
> e.g. in office spaces, etc) without the quantum devices etc, with no
> negative reactions?

Well, I do work in an office, and I do believe that there have been some days
where I have accidentally not had any devices with me, and I did fine. However,
I'm not confident that this would hold over a period of weeks, months, etc.

Also, it really depends on the specific electronics I'm exposed to, as there
are some things that are intolerable even with devices (e.g. certain models
of smart phones).

> I presume that full
> healing, to the point where non-electrosensitive people are at, would be
> almost impossible unless your immune system totally rebooted to a pre-poor
> health state.

Yes, I'm sure if I could resolve the underlying issues, which for me seem to
be several of the "usual suspects" (e.g. toxic overload, chronic infections),
the ES would probably be gone too.

Marc

> Well, I do work in an office, and I do believe that there have been some days
> where I have accidentally not had any devices with me, and I did fine. However,
> I'm not confident that this would hold over a period of weeks, months, etc.

Also, one should be aware that the Quantum Products devices have a "lingering
effect" that could take days/weeks to dissipate, so having one turned off or
not with you for a day doesn't necessarily mean that you are "getting by
without it".  

The analogy I like to use with the Quantum Products (not sure if it's a good one)
is that it's kind of like cleaning your house:

  - when you start cleaning your house, your house is not instantly clean... it
    takes some time for that to happen

  - when you are finished cleaning your house, it doesn't immediately become
    dirty again... it takes some time for that to happen.

It's the same with the Quantum Products - even though it's an electronic device,
it's effects on you and the environment are not instantaneous -- when you first
start using one, it takes time for the effect to build up.  And if you turn them
off, it takes time for the effect to dissipate.

Marc

On July 13, "charles [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> In order to obatin a ClaeSmog one has to send me an e-mail.

Just be careful with those ClaeSmogs -- one of mine broke open in my bag/suitcase, and it made a real mess... (it's full of some black powder/liquid that is difficult to clean up, and hopefully not toxic).

Marc

> The analogy I like to use with the Quantum Products (not sure if it's a good one)
> is that it's kind of like cleaning your house:

I guess you could make the same kind of analogy with an air purifier / filter.

Marc

Having a ClaeSmog in your bag/suitcase is nonsense.
It must be worn on your chest.

An  air purifier / filter is a bad thing regarding elektrosmog.
They produce a lot of *dirty air* (frequencies from 5kHz up to 10MHz).
Taping a ClaeProtect on it does help.

A better way of cleaning the rooms is swiping with a laser beam.
For instance from those *levelers* from the d.i.y. shops.

A laser beam is *coherent light*.
After a room is swiped, most electrosensitives feel it *lighter* in the room.
They *feel* a great difference.
(It is part of the 30PP.)

On July 13, "charles [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Having a ClaeSmog in your bag/suitcase is nonsense.
> It must be worn on your chest.

Yes, but if it during a time when you are NOT wearing it, it has to go somewhere.  And if will break in your bag/suitcase, it can also break when worn on your person.

The ClaeSmog is more fragile than many EMF protection devices -- I've had some devices for 15 years, and they still haven't broke.

Marc

A ClaeSmog should be worn all day.
Only when you go to bed, it is positioned on the bedsite table.

It is not a good idea for changing a number of *gizmo's* according to the calendar.
One should be a bit consequent.

hello again group!  :)

what does this claesmog liquid contain ?  or is it a voodoo secret?

i did my second liver cleanse last week. amazing results. my right side out my body had been really!! out of balance lately. and this liver cleanse sorted it out. will do on every 3-4 weeks until its emptied. i did the olive oil cleanse.
i've also started zeolite ncd2 drops. and i got the metal taste in my mouth.
i wonder what is the biggest issue. a liver that cannot cope and deliver the chi/qi to the body. or loaded with metals and walking around like an bio antenna. whats your take on this ?


traditional chinese medicine on liver:
The physician who knows how to harmonize the liver knows how to treat the hundred diseases

Liver and spleen function together by assisting each other. However, people are always quick to point out that an excess of liver wood can injure the spleen earth, and thus have a detrimental affect on the proper digestion of food. But nobody seems to pay attention to the fact that a weak liver cannot circulate the spleen qi and thereby also cause maldigestion.

Nourishing the liver, therefore, first of all means to refrain from anger. This is the key for the maintenance of good health.
source.www.itmonline.org/5organs/liver.htm
so then the spiral effect. i hate been ehs ;-)

There is a lot of discussion about salt water cure.
In my 30PP, the PH measuring is mentioned.

Increasing the PH can be done with Sodium Bicarbonate.
Read the book by dr. Mark Sircus.