Electrosmog Detector?

I feel it more at night from evening on. Numbing, ear ringing etc.

Don't feel this bad in the morning.

Kathy





--- On Mon, 11/22/10, jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@yahoo.com> wrote:



From: jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@yahoo.com>

Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF worse at night?

To: eSens@yahoogroups.com

Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 4:18 PM



 



I've heard rumors that the wireless companies

test their cellular network late evening/early

morning.



When I had a few hairs on my ear drum I consistently

heard a buzzing tinnitus at about 2 or 3 AM.



Eli



--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Neil R" <ndrofca@...> wrote:

>

> I have found that in my home in mid evening time I start to feel the buzzing

> and head discomfort every night. Like something is being turned on at night.

> Does this sound familiar to anyone as to what it may be?

>

>

>

> Thanks

>

> Neil

>

We have aluminum wiring that needs replacing. We get  light flickering around the same time each day. Evening on.  May be a connection there.


Unplug most things don't use. Need to get GS plugs. I get tired from it too. Didn't notice it over a year ago.

From: KathyB <calicocat477@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF worse at night?

I feel it more at night from evening on. Numbing, ear ringing etc.



Don't feel this bad in the morning.



Kathy


--- On Mon, 11/22/10, jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@yahoo.com> wrote:



From: jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@yahoo.com>



Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF worse at night?



To: eSens@yahoogroups.com



Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 4:18 PM



 



I've heard rumors that the wireless companies



test their cellular network late evening/early



morning.



When I had a few hairs on my ear drum I consistently



heard a buzzing tinnitus at about 2 or 3 AM.



Eli



--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Neil R" <ndrofca@...> wrote:



>



> I have found that in my home in mid evening time I start to feel the buzzing



> and head discomfort every night. Like something is being turned on at night.



> Does this sound familiar to anyone as to what it may be?



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>



> Thanks



>



> Neil



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Well, I feel I am in the middle of a war zone. The more I look at the possibilities of the source of the high pitch the more things are possible. There is a big AT&T Cell Tower less than a mile from my house. Everyone in my neighborhood has 2 Smartmeters. That’s about 300 meters. Everyone has satellite dishes, Broadband wireless receivers, tons of installed wifi and more.

 

I think it’s a losing battle. I am going to have to move.

Seem there is a good service opportunity here for a person to start a business coming to private residences and running a test to total up all the EMF happening. Or drive down the streets and measure and plot. Do it at diff. times of the day too.

 

Neil

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of KathyB
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:59 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF worse at night?

 

 


We have aluminum wiring that needs replacing. We get  light flickering around the same time each day. Evening on.  May be a connection there.

Unplug most things don't use. Need to get GS plugs. I get tired from it too. Didn't notice it over a year ago.

From: KathyB <[hidden email] <mailto:calicocat477%40sbcglobal.net> >
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF worse at night?

I feel it more at night from evening on. Numbing, ear ringing etc.

Don't feel this bad in the morning.

Kathy

From: maureen <[hidden email] <mailto:maureenan2%40yahoo.com> >

Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF worse at night?

To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>

Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 12:31 PM

 

When it is bad here it has a numbing effect on me and just sends me to sleep, it's like a form of mind control..  Does anyone else suffer this?

 

Maureen

 

 

 

 

 

"Goodness is in doing what is right because it is right

and for no other reason."

 

"The one who compels his neighbor...

treats him, not as a being with reason,

but as an animal in whom reason is not."

--Auberon Herbert

 

Revelation 13:17 - No one will be able to buy or sell because of him.

--- On Mon, 11/22/10, jaime_schunkewitz <[hidden email] <mailto:jaime_schunkewitz%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

From: jaime_schunkewitz <[hidden email] <mailto:jaime_schunkewitz%40yahoo.com> >

Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF worse at night?

To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>

Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 4:18 PM

 

I've heard rumors that the wireless companies

test their cellular network late evening/early

morning.

When I had a few hairs on my ear drum I consistently

heard a buzzing tinnitus at about 2 or 3 AM.

Eli

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "Neil R" <ndrofca@...> wrote:

>

> I have found that in my home in mid evening time I start to feel the buzzing

> and head discomfort every night. Like something is being turned on at night.

> Does this sound familiar to anyone as to what it may be?

>

>

>

> Thanks

>

> Neil

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Charles, that's why I always add I don't know much about meters... ;-)

I don't think measuring is useful either, but mostly a waste of time and money... Unless maybe for dirty electricity...

Still wonder what's so great about that Electrosmog Detector, if I see a dect-phone, I know it's emitting emf, I don't need some screaming thingie to notice that...



--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

In an appartment you probably do have a lot of neighbours with dect/wifi...

Where are the closest cellphone towers? (you can check that on a website, by giving your address)



--- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@...> wrote:

Please let us know when it is out Eli!  Loni

--- On Sun, 11/21/10, jaime_schunkewitz <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: jaime_schunkewitz <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 10:45 AM


 



Word is out that new, improved Electrosmog Detector
models out soon. Same with Gigahertz Solution models.
Eli

--- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@...> wrote:
>
> I'm thinking about getting one, I assume it's different than the CellSensor Gauss meter I have. Does anyone own a Electrosmog Detector? I want to see exactly what I'm being exposed to with those Smart Meters.
> I haven't had a decent nights sleep since they were installed. SDGE lied to me about them transmitting once every 8 hours. I've since read that it's either every 4 hours or every hour.
> Does anyone else hear an odd sounding chirp when they transmit or am I hearing something else?
> Steve
>









     

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Not sure but my biggest problems was when the smart meters were installed. I remember when I had an ipod touch that it was pulling in wifi service from my neighbors and it pulled in at least 4 of them (password protected). I got rid of it for a classic ipod.
My bed gives off soemthing in certain spots according to my cellsensor also.
Steve
--- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:

Stephen, you made it very clear, that it is yout opinion that proper measuring is a wate of time and money.

You have the right to feel that way.

But you do not know what elektrosmog sources are harrassing you.

You try to fight the symptoms, not eliminating the sources.

Seen the time elapsed from the beginning of our contact, you could have been free by all your symptoms by now.
But you choose to go another way.

I don't care. I don't have to flee to far foreign countries.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: stephen_vandevijvere
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 11:30 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?


  Charles, that's why I always add I don't know much about meters... ;-)

  I don't think measuring is useful either, but mostly a waste of time and money... Unless maybe for dirty electricity...

  Still wonder what's so great about that Electrosmog Detector, if I see a dect-phone, I know it's emitting emf, I don't need some screaming thingie to notice that...



  --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
  >
  > Hello Stephen,
  >
  > with this posting you do show, that you really do not know about meters.
  > And you give wrong information.
  >
  > The 90 dollars is the right price for it.
  > The Electrosmog Detector is certainly not a child's toy.
  > It is a nice  detector.
  > The negative thing about it, I find that it starts giving sounds at, in my opinion, too high level of radiation.
  > So, weak signals, it does not detect.
  > Here the Esmog Spion is superior.
  > And I have heard that the british Acousimeter is not bad either.
  >
  > One should never, ever recommend a HF32D.
  > This meter does not have an audio analysis, so you do not know what kind of signal you are measuring.
  > A starting model is the HF35C.
  >
  > Greetings,
  > Charles Claessens
  > member Verband Baubiologie
  > www.milieuziektes.nl
  > www.milieuziektes.be
  > www.hetbitje.nl
  > checked by Norton
  >
  >
  >
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: stephen_vandevijvere
  >   To: [hidden email]
  >   Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:16 AM
  >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?
  >
  >
  >   90 dollars seems like a lot of money for that.
  >
  >   I don't know much about meters, but that type only makes a bit noise when you're very very close to the source.
  >
  >   I got one 5 years ago, don't think it was that expensive (or maybe I forgot!), anyway the measuring was kinda useless, I already knew back then that dect/wifi emit emf! It seems like a good toy for a child to learn what's sending high freq. emf!
  >
  >   For instance a dect-phone: you go in another room and I don't think it does measure the emf anymore... So it's even useless if you want to check your neighbours?
  >
  >   Here are the Gigahertz-meters I think are quite higly recommended. The HF32D is more expensive but at least useful. There are probably other good meters (and cheaper) too.
  >
  >   http://www.gigahertz-solutions.com/en/Online-Shop/Measurement.html
  >
  >   I just remember Charles made an entire pdf on this, probably worthwhile if you want to buy sth:
  >
  >   http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/19960
  >
  >
  >
  >   --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote:
  >   >
  >   > I think Shivani sells one at lifeenergies.com for $90. I was thinking about getting that one.What do you guys think?:
  >   >
  >   > http://lifeenergies.com/electrosmog-detector/
  >   >
  >   > --- In [hidden email], "Neil R" <ndrofca@> wrote:
  >   > >
  >   > > I looked it up.
  >   > >
  >   > > See the link below. Somewhat expensive.
  >   > >
  >   > >  
  >   > >
  >   > > http://spectran.com/messen_d_en.shtml
  >   > >
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  >   > >
  >   > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
  >   > > torch369
  >   > > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 3:18 PM
  >   > > To: [hidden email]
  >   > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?
  >   > >
  >   > >  
  >   > >
  >   > >  
  >   > >
  >   > > What is an Aaronia? Is this a kind of meter?
  >   > > Steve
  >   > >
  >   > > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Bill Bruno
  >   > > <wbruno@> wrote:
  >   > > >
  >   > > > If it's sending microwaves the electrosmog detector should pick it up.
  >   > > > It won't tell you the strength.
  >   > > >
  >   > > > An AM radio might detect it too just because the power supply
  >   > > > will use more current and make lower impedance dirty power
  >   > > > when transmitting.
  >   > > >
  >   > > > It will be kind of vexing to look for a signal that transmits so
  >   > > > infrequently.
  >   > > > A better way would be to get an Aaronia with USB interface so your
  >   > > > computer can record it all day long. You could also hook the electrosmog
  >   > > > detector to some kind of recorder (it has headphone output).
  >   > > >
  >   > > >
  >   > > >
  >   > > >
  >   > > > On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:40 AM, torch369 <torch369@> wrote:
  >   > > >
  >   > > > >
  >   > > > >
  >   > > > > I'm thinking about getting one, I assume it's different than the
  >   > > CellSensor
  >   > > > > Gauss meter I have. Does anyone own a Electrosmog Detector? I want to
  >   > > see
  >   > > > > exactly what I'm being exposed to with those Smart Meters.
  >   > > > > I haven't had a decent nights sleep since they were installed. SDGE lied
  >   > > to
  >   > > > > me about them transmitting once every 8 hours. I've since read that it's
  >   > > > > either every 4 hours or every hour.
  >   > > > > Does anyone else hear an odd sounding chirp when they transmit or am I
  >   > > > > hearing something else?
  >   > > > > Steve
  >   > > > >
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Charles, again, you make the wrong assumptions...

> But you do not know what elektrosmog sources are harrassing you.

3G abroad, city wifi, new laptops and cars: these are the worst sources for me. And that's something I couldn't have found out by running around with a meter.

> You try to fight the symptoms, not eliminating the sources.

What do you know? My house is in a low emf area... I do avoid emf attacking me the most. You don't know much about complexity of health and definitely not about my health problems. I only post ES-related stuff here.

Stephen.

 

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

Stephen,

as I stated before, there are many more elektrosmog sources beside the types you did mention.
And they may be much more dangerous.

What do you know about a low emf area? That does not exist.

At the moment I do know quite a lot about complexity of health, and how to improve that.

Of course I do not know your personnal problems, but many could have been solved already, seen the time lapse, if you were willing.
But you are seemingly not.

I cannot help stubborn people.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: stephen_vandevijvere
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:13 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?


  Charles, again, you make the wrong assumptions...

  > But you do not know what elektrosmog sources are harrassing you.

  3G abroad, city wifi, new laptops and cars: these are the worst sources for me. And that's something I couldn't have found out by running around with a meter.

  > You try to fight the symptoms, not eliminating the sources.

  What do you know? My house is in a low emf area... I do avoid emf attacking me the most. You don't know much about complexity of health and definitely not about my health problems. I only post ES-related stuff here.

  Stephen.

   

  --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
  >
  > Stephen, you made it very clear, that it is yout opinion that proper measuring is a wate of time and money.
  >
  > You have the right to feel that way.
  >
  > But you do not know what elektrosmog sources are harrassing you.
  >
  > You try to fight the symptoms, not eliminating the sources.
  >
  > Seen the time elapsed from the beginning of our contact, you could have been free by all your symptoms by now.
  > But you choose to go another way.
  >
  > I don't care. I don't have to flee to far foreign countries.
  >
  > Greetings,
  > Charles Claessens
  > member Verband Baubiologie
  > www.milieuziektes.nl
  > www.milieuziektes.be
  > www.hetbitje.nl
  > checked by Norton
  >
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: stephen_vandevijvere
  >   To: [hidden email]
  >   Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 11:30 PM
  >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?
  >
  >
  >   Charles, that's why I always add I don't know much about meters... ;-)
  >
  >   I don't think measuring is useful either, but mostly a waste of time and money... Unless maybe for dirty electricity...
  >
  >   Still wonder what's so great about that Electrosmog Detector, if I see a dect-phone, I know it's emitting emf, I don't need some screaming thingie to notice that...
  >
  >
  >
  >   --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
  >   >
  >   > Hello Stephen,
  >   >
  >   > with this posting you do show, that you really do not know about meters.
  >   > And you give wrong information.
  >   >
  >   > The 90 dollars is the right price for it.
  >   > The Electrosmog Detector is certainly not a child's toy.
  >   > It is a nice  detector.
  >   > The negative thing about it, I find that it starts giving sounds at, in my opinion, too high level of radiation.
  >   > So, weak signals, it does not detect.
  >   > Here the Esmog Spion is superior.
  >   > And I have heard that the british Acousimeter is not bad either.
  >   >
  >   > One should never, ever recommend a HF32D.
  >   > This meter does not have an audio analysis, so you do not know what kind of signal you are measuring.
  >   > A starting model is the HF35C.
  >   >
  >   > Greetings,
  >   > Charles Claessens
  >   > member Verband Baubiologie
  >   > www.milieuziektes.nl
  >   > www.milieuziektes.be
  >   > www.hetbitje.nl
  >   > checked by Norton
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   >   From: stephen_vandevijvere
  >   >   To: [hidden email]
  >   >   Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:16 AM
  >   >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >   90 dollars seems like a lot of money for that.
  >   >
  >   >   I don't know much about meters, but that type only makes a bit noise when you're very very close to the source.
  >   >
  >   >   I got one 5 years ago, don't think it was that expensive (or maybe I forgot!), anyway the measuring was kinda useless, I already knew back then that dect/wifi emit emf! It seems like a good toy for a child to learn what's sending high freq. emf!
  >   >
  >   >   For instance a dect-phone: you go in another room and I don't think it does measure the emf anymore... So it's even useless if you want to check your neighbours?
  >   >
  >   >   Here are the Gigahertz-meters I think are quite higly recommended. The HF32D is more expensive but at least useful. There are probably other good meters (and cheaper) too.
  >   >
  >   >   http://www.gigahertz-solutions.com/en/Online-Shop/Measurement.html
  >   >
  >   >   I just remember Charles made an entire pdf on this, probably worthwhile if you want to buy sth:
  >   >
  >   >   http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/19960
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >   --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote:
  >   >   >
  >   >   > I think Shivani sells one at lifeenergies.com for $90. I was thinking about getting that one.What do you guys think?:
  >   >   >
  >   >   > http://lifeenergies.com/electrosmog-detector/
  >   >   >
  >   >   > --- In [hidden email], "Neil R" <ndrofca@> wrote:
  >   >   > >
  >   >   > > I looked it up.
  >   >   > >
  >   >   > > See the link below. Somewhat expensive.
  >   >   > >
  >   >   > >  
  >   >   > >
  >   >   > > http://spectran.com/messen_d_en.shtml
  >   >   > >
  >   >   > >  
  >   >   > >
  >   >   > >  
  >   >   > >
  >   >   > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
  >   >   > > torch369
  >   >   > > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 3:18 PM
  >   >   > > To: [hidden email]
  >   >   > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?
  >   >   > >
  >   >   > >  
  >   >   > >
  >   >   > >  
  >   >   > >
  >   >   > > What is an Aaronia? Is this a kind of meter?
  >   >   > > Steve
  >   >   > >
  >   >   > > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Bill Bruno
  >   >   > > <wbruno@> wrote:
  >   >   > > >
  >   >   > > > If it's sending microwaves the electrosmog detector should pick it up.
  >   >   > > > It won't tell you the strength.
  >   >   > > >
  >   >   > > > An AM radio might detect it too just because the power supply
  >   >   > > > will use more current and make lower impedance dirty power
  >   >   > > > when transmitting.
  >   >   > > >
  >   >   > > > It will be kind of vexing to look for a signal that transmits so
  >   >   > > > infrequently.
  >   >   > > > A better way would be to get an Aaronia with USB interface so your
  >   >   > > > computer can record it all day long. You could also hook the electrosmog
  >   >   > > > detector to some kind of recorder (it has headphone output).
  >   >   > > >
  >   >   > > >
  >   >   > > >
  >   >   > > >
  >   >   > > > On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:40 AM, torch369 <torch369@> wrote:
  >   >   > > >
  >   >   > > > >
  >   >   > > > >
  >   >   > > > > I'm thinking about getting one, I assume it's different than the
  >   >   > > CellSensor
  >   >   > > > > Gauss meter I have. Does anyone own a Electrosmog Detector? I want to
  >   >   > > see
  >   >   > > > > exactly what I'm being exposed to with those Smart Meters.
  >   >   > > > > I haven't had a decent nights sleep since they were installed. SDGE lied
  >   >   > > to
  >   >   > > > > me about them transmitting once every 8 hours. I've since read that it's
  >   >   > > > > either every 4 hours or every hour.
  >   >   > > > > Does anyone else hear an odd sounding chirp when they transmit or am I
  >   >   > > > > hearing something else?
  >   >   > > > > Steve
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Charles: It's your right to think whatever you want.



--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

Stephen,

one final question:

Are you still electrosensitive ?

Despite of everything you have done sofar?

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: stephen_vandevijvere
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:47 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?


  Charles: It's your right to think whatever you want.



  --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
  >
  > Stephen,
  >
  > as I stated before, there are many more elektrosmog sources beside the types you did mention.
  > And they may be much more dangerous.
  >
  > What do you know about a low emf area? That does not exist.
  >
  > At the moment I do know quite a lot about complexity of health, and how to improve that.
  >
  > Of course I do not know your personnal problems, but many could have been solved already, seen the time lapse, if you were willing.
  > But you are seemingly not.
  >
  > I cannot help stubborn people.
  >
  > Greetings,
  > Charles Claessens
  > member Verband Baubiologie
  > www.milieuziektes.nl
  > www.milieuziektes.be
  > www.hetbitje.nl
  > checked by Norton
  >
  >
  >
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: stephen_vandevijvere
  >   To: [hidden email]
  >   Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:13 PM
  >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?
  >
  >
  >   Charles, again, you make the wrong assumptions...
  >
  >   > But you do not know what elektrosmog sources are harrassing you.
  >
  >   3G abroad, city wifi, new laptops and cars: these are the worst sources for me. And that's something I couldn't have found out by running around with a meter.
  >
  >   > You try to fight the symptoms, not eliminating the sources.
  >
  >   What do you know? My house is in a low emf area... I do avoid emf attacking me the most. You don't know much about complexity of health and definitely not about my health problems. I only post ES-related stuff here.
  >
  >   Stephen.
  >
  >    
  >
  >   --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
  >   >
  >   > Stephen, you made it very clear, that it is yout opinion that proper measuring is a wate of time and money.
  >   >
  >   > You have the right to feel that way.
  >   >
  >   > But you do not know what elektrosmog sources are harrassing you.
  >   >
  >   > You try to fight the symptoms, not eliminating the sources.
  >   >
  >   > Seen the time elapsed from the beginning of our contact, you could have been free by all your symptoms by now.
  >   > But you choose to go another way.
  >   >
  >   > I don't care. I don't have to flee to far foreign countries.
  >   >
  >   > Greetings,
  >   > Charles Claessens
  >   > member Verband Baubiologie
  >   > www.milieuziektes.nl
  >   > www.milieuziektes.be
  >   > www.hetbitje.nl
  >   > checked by Norton
  >   >
  >   >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   >   From: stephen_vandevijvere
  >   >   To: [hidden email]
  >   >   Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 11:30 PM
  >   >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >   Charles, that's why I always add I don't know much about meters... ;-)
  >   >
  >   >   I don't think measuring is useful either, but mostly a waste of time and money... Unless maybe for dirty electricity...
  >   >
  >   >   Still wonder what's so great about that Electrosmog Detector, if I see a dect-phone, I know it's emitting emf, I don't need some screaming thingie to notice that...
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >   --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
  >   >   >
  >   >   > Hello Stephen,
  >   >   >
  >   >   > with this posting you do show, that you really do not know about meters.
  >   >   > And you give wrong information.
  >   >   >
  >   >   > The 90 dollars is the right price for it.
  >   >   > The Electrosmog Detector is certainly not a child's toy.
  >   >   > It is a nice  detector.
  >   >   > The negative thing about it, I find that it starts giving sounds at, in my opinion, too high level of radiation.
  >   >   > So, weak signals, it does not detect.
  >   >   > Here the Esmog Spion is superior.
  >   >   > And I have heard that the british Acousimeter is not bad either.
  >   >   >
  >   >   > One should never, ever recommend a HF32D.
  >   >   > This meter does not have an audio analysis, so you do not know what kind of signal you are measuring.
  >   >   > A starting model is the HF35C.
  >   >   >
  >   >   > Greetings,
  >   >   > Charles Claessens
  >   >   > member Verband Baubiologie
  >   >   > www.milieuziektes.nl
  >   >   > www.milieuziektes.be
  >   >   > www.hetbitje.nl
  >   >   > checked by Norton
  >   >   >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   >   >   From: stephen_vandevijvere
  >   >   >   To: [hidden email]
  >   >   >   Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:16 AM
  >   >   >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?
  >   >   >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   90 dollars seems like a lot of money for that.
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   I don't know much about meters, but that type only makes a bit noise when you're very very close to the source.
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   I got one 5 years ago, don't think it was that expensive (or maybe I forgot!), anyway the measuring was kinda useless, I already knew back then that dect/wifi emit emf! It seems like a good toy for a child to learn what's sending high freq. emf!
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   For instance a dect-phone: you go in another room and I don't think it does measure the emf anymore... So it's even useless if you want to check your neighbours?
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   Here are the Gigahertz-meters I think are quite higly recommended. The HF32D is more expensive but at least useful. There are probably other good meters (and cheaper) too.
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   http://www.gigahertz-solutions.com/en/Online-Shop/Measurement.html
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   I just remember Charles made an entire pdf on this, probably worthwhile if you want to buy sth:
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/19960
  >   >   >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote:
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   > I think Shivani sells one at lifeenergies.com for $90. I was thinking about getting that one.What do you guys think?:
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   > http://lifeenergies.com/electrosmog-detector/
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   > --- In [hidden email], "Neil R" <ndrofca@> wrote:
  >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   > > I looked it up.
  >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   > > See the link below. Somewhat expensive.
  >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   > >  
  >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   > > http://spectran.com/messen_d_en.shtml
  >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   > >  
  >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   > >  
  >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
  >   >   >   > > torch369
  >   >   >   > > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 3:18 PM
  >   >   >   > > To: [hidden email]
  >   >   >   > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?
  >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   > >  
  >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   > >  
  >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   > > What is an Aaronia? Is this a kind of meter?
  >   >   >   > > Steve
  >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   > > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Bill Bruno
  >   >   >   > > <wbruno@> wrote:
  >   >   >   > > >
  >   >   >   > > > If it's sending microwaves the electrosmog detector should pick it up.
  >   >   >   > > > It won't tell you the strength.
  >   >   >   > > >
  >   >   >   > > > An AM radio might detect it too just because the power supply
  >   >   >   > > > will use more current and make lower impedance dirty power
  >   >   >   > > > when transmitting.
  >   >   >   > > >
  >   >   >   > > > It will be kind of vexing to look for a signal that transmits so
  >   >   >   > > > infrequently.
  >   >   >   > > > A better way would be to get an Aaronia with USB interface so your
  >   >   >   > > > computer can record it all day long. You could also hook the electrosmog
  >   >   >   > > > detector to some kind of recorder (it has headphone output).
  >   >   >   > > >
  >   >   >   > > >
  >   >   >   > > >
  >   >   >   > > >
  >   >   >   > > > On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:40 AM, torch369 <torch369@> wrote:
  >   >   >   > > >
  >   >   >   > > > >
  >   >   >   > > > >
  >   >   >   > > > > I'm thinking about getting one, I assume it's different than the
  >   >   >   > > CellSensor
  >   >   >   > > > > Gauss meter I have. Does anyone own a Electrosmog Detector? I want to
  >   >   >   > > see
  >   >   >   > > > > exactly what I'm being exposed to with those Smart Meters.
  >   >   >   > > > > I haven't had a decent nights sleep since they were installed. SDGE lied
  >   >   >   > > to
  >   >   >   > > > > me about them transmitting once every 8 hours. I've since read that it's
  >   >   >   > > > > either every 4 hours or every hour.
  >   >   >   > > > > Does anyone else hear an odd sounding chirp when they transmit or am I
  >   >   >   > > > > hearing something else?
  >   >   >   > > > > Steve
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Charles:

Yes I'm still ES. Nevertheless my ES for 3G abroad and city wifi networks have improved a lot.

It's SOOOO easy to say to other persons what they must do, without knowing one little bit of that person or his health problems. You also have nothing to lose.

Let me remind you again, that some people did get much worse when doing "your procedure".

And my painful knees/back worsen a lot when I do detox such as salt baths...

 




--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

Hello Stephen,

your ES could have been improved by 95 %.

But you do not know *my procedure*.
The persons who followed it are quite well.
They do not *feel* 3G or GSM or Wifi or DECT anymore.
They don't even need any gadgets or gizmo's anymore.

Resolving painful knees as well as back pains belongs to that also.

And for other pains I have another trick up my sleeve.

As well as problems with sight and hearing.

But since you are not interested, I will let this subject rest.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: stephen_vandevijvere
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:02 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?


  Charles:

  Yes I'm still ES. Nevertheless my ES for 3G abroad and city wifi networks have improved a lot.

  It's SOOOO easy to say to other persons what they must do, without knowing one little bit of that person or his health problems. You also have nothing to lose.

  Let me remind you again, that some people did get much worse when doing "your procedure".

  And my painful knees/back worsen a lot when I do detox such as salt baths...

   




  --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
  >
  > Stephen,
  >
  > one final question:
  >
  > Are you still electrosensitive ?
  >
  > Despite of everything you have done sofar?
  >
  > Greetings,
  > Charles Claessens
  > member Verband Baubiologie
  > www.milieuziektes.nl
  > www.milieuziektes.be
  > www.hetbitje.nl
  > checked by Norton
  >
  >
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: stephen_vandevijvere
  >   To: [hidden email]
  >   Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:47 PM
  >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?
  >
  >
  >   Charles: It's your right to think whatever you want.
  >
  >
  >
  >   --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
  >   >
  >   > Stephen,
  >   >
  >   > as I stated before, there are many more elektrosmog sources beside the types you did mention.
  >   > And they may be much more dangerous.
  >   >
  >   > What do you know about a low emf area? That does not exist.
  >   >
  >   > At the moment I do know quite a lot about complexity of health, and how to improve that.
  >   >
  >   > Of course I do not know your personnal problems, but many could have been solved already, seen the time lapse, if you were willing.
  >   > But you are seemingly not.
  >   >
  >   > I cannot help stubborn people.
  >   >
  >   > Greetings,
  >   > Charles Claessens
  >   > member Verband Baubiologie
  >   > www.milieuziektes.nl
  >   > www.milieuziektes.be
  >   > www.hetbitje.nl
  >   > checked by Norton
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   >   From: stephen_vandevijvere
  >   >   To: [hidden email]
  >   >   Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:13 PM
  >   >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >   Charles, again, you make the wrong assumptions...
  >   >
  >   >   > But you do not know what elektrosmog sources are harrassing you.
  >   >
  >   >   3G abroad, city wifi, new laptops and cars: these are the worst sources for me. And that's something I couldn't have found out by running around with a meter.
  >   >
  >   >   > You try to fight the symptoms, not eliminating the sources.
  >   >
  >   >   What do you know? My house is in a low emf area... I do avoid emf attacking me the most. You don't know much about complexity of health and definitely not about my health problems. I only post ES-related stuff here.
  >   >
  >   >   Stephen.
  >   >
  >   >    
  >   >
  >   >   --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
  >   >   >
  >   >   > Stephen, you made it very clear, that it is yout opinion that proper measuring is a wate of time and money.
  >   >   >
  >   >   > You have the right to feel that way.
  >   >   >
  >   >   > But you do not know what elektrosmog sources are harrassing you.
  >   >   >
  >   >   > You try to fight the symptoms, not eliminating the sources.
  >   >   >
  >   >   > Seen the time elapsed from the beginning of our contact, you could have been free by all your symptoms by now.
  >   >   > But you choose to go another way.
  >   >   >
  >   >   > I don't care. I don't have to flee to far foreign countries.
  >   >   >
  >   >   > Greetings,
  >   >   > Charles Claessens
  >   >   > member Verband Baubiologie
  >   >   > www.milieuziektes.nl
  >   >   > www.milieuziektes.be
  >   >   > www.hetbitje.nl
  >   >   > checked by Norton
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   >   >   From: stephen_vandevijvere
  >   >   >   To: [hidden email]
  >   >   >   Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 11:30 PM
  >   >   >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?
  >   >   >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   Charles, that's why I always add I don't know much about meters... ;-)
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   I don't think measuring is useful either, but mostly a waste of time and money... Unless maybe for dirty electricity...
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   Still wonder what's so great about that Electrosmog Detector, if I see a dect-phone, I know it's emitting emf, I don't need some screaming thingie to notice that...
  >   >   >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   > Hello Stephen,
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   > with this posting you do show, that you really do not know about meters.
  >   >   >   > And you give wrong information.
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   > The 90 dollars is the right price for it.
  >   >   >   > The Electrosmog Detector is certainly not a child's toy.
  >   >   >   > It is a nice  detector.
  >   >   >   > The negative thing about it, I find that it starts giving sounds at, in my opinion, too high level of radiation.
  >   >   >   > So, weak signals, it does not detect.
  >   >   >   > Here the Esmog Spion is superior.
  >   >   >   > And I have heard that the british Acousimeter is not bad either.
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   > One should never, ever recommend a HF32D.
  >   >   >   > This meter does not have an audio analysis, so you do not know what kind of signal you are measuring.
  >   >   >   > A starting model is the HF35C.
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   > Greetings,
  >   >   >   > Charles Claessens
  >   >   >   > member Verband Baubiologie
  >   >   >   > www.milieuziektes.nl
  >   >   >   > www.milieuziektes.be
  >   >   >   > www.hetbitje.nl
  >   >   >   > checked by Norton
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   >   >   >   From: stephen_vandevijvere
  >   >   >   >   To: [hidden email]
  >   >   >   >   Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:16 AM
  >   >   >   >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   >   90 dollars seems like a lot of money for that.
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   >   I don't know much about meters, but that type only makes a bit noise when you're very very close to the source.
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   >   I got one 5 years ago, don't think it was that expensive (or maybe I forgot!), anyway the measuring was kinda useless, I already knew back then that dect/wifi emit emf! It seems like a good toy for a child to learn what's sending high freq. emf!
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   >   For instance a dect-phone: you go in another room and I don't think it does measure the emf anymore... So it's even useless if you want to check your neighbours?
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   >   Here are the Gigahertz-meters I think are quite higly recommended. The HF32D is more expensive but at least useful. There are probably other good meters (and cheaper) too.
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   >   http://www.gigahertz-solutions.com/en/Online-Shop/Measurement.html
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   >   I just remember Charles made an entire pdf on this, probably worthwhile if you want to buy sth:
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   >   http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/19960
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   >   --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote:
  >   >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   >   > I think Shivani sells one at lifeenergies.com for $90. I was thinking about getting that one.What do you guys think?:
  >   >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   >   > http://lifeenergies.com/electrosmog-detector/
  >   >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   >   > --- In [hidden email], "Neil R" <ndrofca@> wrote:
  >   >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   >   > > I looked it up.
  >   >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   >   > > See the link below. Somewhat expensive.
  >   >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   >   > >  
  >   >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   >   > > http://spectran.com/messen_d_en.shtml
  >   >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   >   > >  
  >   >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   >   > >  
  >   >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   >   > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
  >   >   >   >   > > torch369
  >   >   >   >   > > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 3:18 PM
  >   >   >   >   > > To: [hidden email]
  >   >   >   >   > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?
  >   >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   >   > >  
  >   >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   >   > >  
  >   >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   >   > > What is an Aaronia? Is this a kind of meter?
  >   >   >   >   > > Steve
  >   >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   >   > > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Bill Bruno
  >   >   >   >   > > <wbruno@> wrote:
  >   >   >   >   > > >
  >   >   >   >   > > > If it's sending microwaves the electrosmog detector should pick it up.
  >   >   >   >   > > > It won't tell you the strength.
  >   >   >   >   > > >
  >   >   >   >   > > > An AM radio might detect it too just because the power supply
  >   >   >   >   > > > will use more current and make lower impedance dirty power
  >   >   >   >   > > > when transmitting.
  >   >   >   >   > > >
  >   >   >   >   > > > It will be kind of vexing to look for a signal that transmits so
  >   >   >   >   > > > infrequently.
  >   >   >   >   > > > A better way would be to get an Aaronia with USB interface so your
  >   >   >   >   > > > computer can record it all day long. You could also hook the electrosmog
  >   >   >   >   > > > detector to some kind of recorder (it has headphone output).
  >   >   >   >   > > >
  >   >   >   >   > > >
  >   >   >   >   > > >
  >   >   >   >   > > >
  >   >   >   >   > > > On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:40 AM, torch369 <torch369@> wrote:
  >   >   >   >   > > >
  >   >   >   >   > > > >
  >   >   >   >   > > > >
  >   >   >   >   > > > > I'm thinking about getting one, I assume it's different than the
  >   >   >   >   > > CellSensor
  >   >   >   >   > > > > Gauss meter I have. Does anyone own a Electrosmog Detector? I want to
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  >   >   >   >   > > > > I haven't had a decent nights sleep since they were installed. SDGE lied
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Dear Charles,

I am very interested in hearing about your method/procedure/protocol.

This disorder seems to be very heterogenous in both what causes reactions in people and symptoms that they exhibit.

If you have a method that has been useful to a wide range of different people it is of great interest, both to me on behalf of my girlfriend and perhaps to a wider audience..

It appears that you have professional interest in this field. Do you benefit financially from your advice/treatments or do you act from purely altruistic motivation.

Forgive my bluntness but it is important to me to not follow pathways that are unclear.

Regards

Charlie



--- On Tue, 23/11/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010, 23:05







 



 


   
     
     
      Hello Stephen,



your ES could have been improved by 95 %.



But you do not know *my procedure*.

The persons who followed it are quite well.

They do not *feel* 3G or GSM or Wifi or DECT anymore.

They don't even need any gadgets or gizmo's anymore.



Resolving painful knees as well as back pains belongs to that also.



And for other pains I have another trick up my sleeve.



As well as problems with sight and hearing.



But since you are not interested, I will let this subject rest.



Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton



----- Original Message -----

  From: stephen_vandevijvere

  To: [hidden email]

  Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:02 PM

  Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?



Charles:



Yes I'm still ES. Nevertheless my ES for 3G abroad and city wifi networks have improved a lot.



It's SOOOO easy to say to other persons what they must do, without knowing one little bit of that person or his health problems. You also have nothing to lose.



Let me remind you again, that some people did get much worse when doing "your procedure".



And my painful knees/back worsen a lot when I do detox such as salt baths...



--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

  >

  > Stephen,

  >

  > one final question:

  >

  > Are you still electrosensitive ?

  >

  > Despite of everything you have done sofar?

  >

  > Greetings,

  > Charles Claessens

  > member Verband Baubiologie

  > www.milieuziektes.nl

  > www.milieuziektes.be

  > www.hetbitje.nl

  > checked by Norton

  >

  >

  >   ----- Original Message -----

  >   From: stephen_vandevijvere

  >   To: [hidden email]

  >   Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:47 PM

  >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?

  >

  >

  >   Charles: It's your right to think whatever you want.

  >

  >

  >

  >   --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:

  >   >

  >   > Stephen,

  >   >

  >   > as I stated before, there are many more elektrosmog sources beside the types you did mention.

  >   > And they may be much more dangerous.

  >   >

  >   > What do you know about a low emf area? That does not exist.

  >   >

  >   > At the moment I do know quite a lot about complexity of health, and how to improve that.

  >   >

  >   > Of course I do not know your personnal problems, but many could have been solved already, seen the time lapse, if you were willing.

  >   > But you are seemingly not.

  >   >

  >   > I cannot help stubborn people.

  >   >

  >   > Greetings,

  >   > Charles Claessens

  >   > member Verband Baubiologie

  >   > www.milieuziektes.nl

  >   > www.milieuziektes.be

  >   > www.hetbitje.nl

  >   > checked by Norton

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  >   >

  >   >

  >   >   ----- Original Message -----

  >   >   From: stephen_vandevijvere

  >   >   To: [hidden email]

  >   >   Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:13 PM

  >   >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?

  >   >

  >   >

  >   >   Charles, again, you make the wrong assumptions...

  >   >

  >   >   > But you do not know what elektrosmog sources are harrassing you.

  >   >

  >   >   3G abroad, city wifi, new laptops and cars: these are the worst sources for me. And that's something I couldn't have found out by running around with a meter.

  >   >

  >   >   > You try to fight the symptoms, not eliminating the sources.

  >   >

  >   >   What do you know? My house is in a low emf area... I do avoid emf attacking me the most. You don't know much about complexity of health and definitely not about my health problems. I only post ES-related stuff here.

  >   >

  >   >   Stephen.

  >   >

  >   >    

  >   >

  >   >   --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:

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  >   >   > Stephen, you made it very clear, that it is yout opinion that proper measuring is a wate of time and money.

  >   >   >

  >   >   > You have the right to feel that way.

  >   >   >

  >   >   > But you do not know what elektrosmog sources are harrassing you.

  >   >   >

  >   >   > You try to fight the symptoms, not eliminating the sources.

  >   >   >

  >   >   > Seen the time elapsed from the beginning of our contact, you could have been free by all your symptoms by now.

  >   >   > But you choose to go another way.

  >   >   >

  >   >   > I don't care. I don't have to flee to far foreign countries.

  >   >   >

  >   >   > Greetings,

  >   >   > Charles Claessens

  >   >   > member Verband Baubiologie

  >   >   > www.milieuziektes.nl

  >   >   > www.milieuziektes.be

  >   >   > www.hetbitje.nl

  >   >   > checked by Norton

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  >   >   >   ----- Original Message -----

  >   >   >   From: stephen_vandevijvere

  >   >   >   To: [hidden email]

  >   >   >   Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 11:30 PM

  >   >   >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?

  >   >   >

  >   >   >

  >   >   >   Charles, that's why I always add I don't know much about meters... ;-)

  >   >   >

  >   >   >   I don't think measuring is useful either, but mostly a waste of time and money... Unless maybe for dirty electricity...

  >   >   >

  >   >   >   Still wonder what's so great about that Electrosmog Detector, if I see a dect-phone, I know it's emitting emf, I don't need some screaming thingie to notice that...

  >   >   >

  >   >   >

  >   >   >

  >   >   >   --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:

  >   >   >   >

  >   >   >   > Hello Stephen,

  >   >   >   >

  >   >   >   > with this posting you do show, that you really do not know about meters.

  >   >   >   > And you give wrong information.

  >   >   >   >

  >   >   >   > The 90 dollars is the right price for it.

  >   >   >   > The Electrosmog Detector is certainly not a child's toy.

  >   >   >   > It is a nice  detector.

  >   >   >   > The negative thing about it, I find that it starts giving sounds at, in my opinion, too high level of radiation.

  >   >   >   > So, weak signals, it does not detect.

  >   >   >   > Here the Esmog Spion is superior.

  >   >   >   > And I have heard that the british Acousimeter is not bad either.

  >   >   >   >

  >   >   >   > One should never, ever recommend a HF32D.

  >   >   >   > This meter does not have an audio analysis, so you do not know what kind of signal you are measuring.

  >   >   >   > A starting model is the HF35C.

  >   >   >   >

  >   >   >   > Greetings,

  >   >   >   > Charles Claessens

  >   >   >   > member Verband Baubiologie

  >   >   >   > www.milieuziektes.nl

  >   >   >   > www.milieuziektes.be

  >   >   >   > www.hetbitje.nl

  >   >   >   > checked by Norton

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  >   >   >   >

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  >   >   >   >   ----- Original Message -----

  >   >   >   >   From: stephen_vandevijvere

  >   >   >   >   To: [hidden email]

  >   >   >   >   Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:16 AM

  >   >   >   >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?

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  >   >   >   >   90 dollars seems like a lot of money for that.

  >   >   >   >

  >   >   >   >   I don't know much about meters, but that type only makes a bit noise when you're very very close to the source.

  >   >   >   >

  >   >   >   >   I got one 5 years ago, don't think it was that expensive (or maybe I forgot!), anyway the measuring was kinda useless, I already knew back then that dect/wifi emit emf! It seems like a good toy for a child to learn what's sending high freq. emf!

  >   >   >   >

  >   >   >   >   For instance a dect-phone: you go in another room and I don't think it does measure the emf anymore... So it's even useless if you want to check your neighbours?

  >   >   >   >

  >   >   >   >   Here are the Gigahertz-meters I think are quite higly recommended. The HF32D is more expensive but at least useful. There are probably other good meters (and cheaper) too.

  >   >   >   >

  >   >   >   >   http://www.gigahertz-solutions.com/en/Online-Shop/Measurement.html

  >   >   >   >

  >   >   >   >   I just remember Charles made an entire pdf on this, probably worthwhile if you want to buy sth:

  >   >   >   >

  >   >   >   >   http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/19960

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  >   >   >   >   --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote:

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  >   >   >   >   > I think Shivani sells one at lifeenergies.com for $90. I was thinking about getting that one.What do you guys think?:

  >   >   >   >   >

  >   >   >   >   > http://lifeenergies.com/electrosmog-detector/

  >   >   >   >   >

  >   >   >   >   > --- In [hidden email], "Neil R" <ndrofca@> wrote:

  >   >   >   >   > >

  >   >   >   >   > > I looked it up.

  >   >   >   >   > >

  >   >   >   >   > > See the link below. Somewhat expensive.

  >   >   >   >   > >

  >   >   >   >   > >  

  >   >   >   >   > >

  >   >   >   >   > > http://spectran.com/messen_d_en.shtml

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  >   >   >   >   > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of

  >   >   >   >   > > torch369

  >   >   >   >   > > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 3:18 PM

  >   >   >   >   > > To: [hidden email]

  >   >   >   >   > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?

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  >   >   >   >   > >  

  >   >   >   >   > >

  >   >   >   >   > > What is an Aaronia? Is this a kind of meter?

  >   >   >   >   > > Steve

  >   >   >   >   > >

  >   >   >   >   > > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Bill Bruno

  >   >   >   >   > > <wbruno@> wrote:

  >   >   >   >   > > >

  >   >   >   >   > > > If it's sending microwaves the electrosmog detector should pick it up.

  >   >   >   >   > > > It won't tell you the strength.

  >   >   >   >   > > >

  >   >   >   >   > > > An AM radio might detect it too just because the power supply

  >   >   >   >   > > > will use more current and make lower impedance dirty power

  >   >   >   >   > > > when transmitting.

  >   >   >   >   > > >

  >   >   >   >   > > > It will be kind of vexing to look for a signal that transmits so

  >   >   >   >   > > > infrequently.

  >   >   >   >   > > > A better way would be to get an Aaronia with USB interface so your

  >   >   >   >   > > > computer can record it all day long. You could also hook the electrosmog

  >   >   >   >   > > > detector to some kind of recorder (it has headphone output).

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  >   >   >   >   > > > > I'm thinking about getting one, I assume it's different than the

  >   >   >   >   > > CellSensor

  >   >   >   >   > > > > Gauss meter I have. Does anyone own a Electrosmog Detector? I want to

  >   >   >   >   > > see

  >   >   >   >   > > > > exactly what I'm being exposed to with those Smart Meters.

  >   >   >   >   > > > > I haven't had a decent nights sleep since they were installed. SDGE lied

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  >   >   >   >   > > > > either every 4 hours or every hour.

  >   >   >   >   > > > > Does anyone else hear an odd sounding chirp when they transmit or am I

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Congratulations for getting those ES-ers better...


--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

What is city wifi?

--- On Tue, 11/23/10, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrosmog Detector?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 11:13 AM


 



Charles, again, you make the wrong assumptions...

> But you do not know what elektrosmog sources are harrassing you.

3G abroad, city wifi, new laptops and cars: these are the worst sources for me. And that's something I couldn't have found out by running around with a meter.

> You try to fight the symptoms, not eliminating the sources.

What do you know? My house is in a low emf area... I do avoid emf attacking me the most. You don't know much about complexity of health and definitely not about my health problems. I only post ES-related stuff here.

Stephen.

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> What is city wifi?

It's when an Internet provider offers wireless internet (usually for
those who own laptop computers) that works all throughout the city.
This is implemented with lots of wi-fi transmitter/receivers
spread throughout the city.  

I'd guess that most major American cities have this.  The city
I live in certainly does.

Marc

OK, now I'm curious, what is your procedure?
Steve

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

>> But you do not know *my procedure*.
>> The persons who followed it are quite well.

> OK, now I'm curious, what is your procedure?

I'm mostly curious as to why this procedure has never
been posted here or online...

Marc