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Suffering from EMS for a few years now, but it was under control. Recently, I started developing, tingling and burning skin. On the face, eyelids, arms and hands. Anyone else suffers from this? The secondary issue, is that I started getting electric shocks from water, clothes, cutlery, and other things I touch. This is happening despite wearing thick rubber flip flops. Has anyone else of such symptoms? Is it possible if taking vits and supps, and other alternative remedies such as herbs, and powders, to exacerbate those symptoms too? It seems there might be a link. Input appreciated, am devastated by the turn of events, suffering from other health issues already. Many thanks for your input guys. |
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> Recently, I started developing, tingling and burning skin. On the face,
> eyelids, arms and hands. Anyone else suffers from this? I have certainly had burning skin on my face. > The secondary issue, is that I started getting electric shocks from > water, clothes, cutlery, and other things I touch. This is happening > despite wearing thick rubber flip flops. "Despite"? I would think that thick rubber flip flops would actually contribute to shocks. Do you get shocks with bare feet or cotton socks? > Is it possible if taking vits and supps, and other alternative remedies > such as herbs, and powders, to exacerbate those symptoms too? Yes, my burning face gets worse with anything that raises glutathione levels, including Vitamin D. Also toxin mobilizers and chelators can make these symptoms worse (e.g. chlorella) Marc |
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Thanks for this Martin. It could be that for one year now, I have been raising glutathione, gently and slowly by taking its precursors. But last week, I saw an ND who prescribed an Ayurvedic mixture, to purify and cleanse the organs. Do you think this may have contributed to this super EMS and ES during the last few days? What with the spongy rubber flip flops, are not these suppose to protect from electricity? Agghhh, am now confused!! Kooky --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote: > > > Recently, I started developing, tingling and burning skin. On the face, > > eyelids, arms and hands. Anyone else suffers from this? > > I have certainly had burning skin on my face. > > > The secondary issue, is that I started getting electric shocks from > > water, clothes, cutlery, and other things I touch. This is happening > > despite wearing thick rubber flip flops. > > "Despite"? I would think that thick rubber flip flops would actually > contribute to shocks. Do you get shocks with bare feet or cotton > socks? > > > Is it possible if taking vits and supps, and other alternative remedies > > such as herbs, and powders, to exacerbate those symptoms too? > > Yes, my burning face gets worse with anything that raises glutathione > levels, including Vitamin D. Also toxin mobilizers and chelators > can make these symptoms worse (e.g. chlorella) > > Marc > |
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Hi Marc: I forgot to ask, did you continue with raising your glut? or with vits andsupps? Could it worsen these symptoms permanently? Surely, there must be a way of dealing with this? It is such a difficult decision as if to continue with vits and supps, and herbal remedy I am taking, because, I have noticed remarkable improvement. Unless of course, I am going through a good cycle... Thanks, Kooky PS. I was reading about calcium channels, action potential and various neuronal dysfunction. Any thoughts on this. --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote: > > > Recently, I started developing, tingling and burning skin. On the face, > > eyelids, arms and hands. Anyone else suffers from this? > > I have certainly had burning skin on my face. > > > The secondary issue, is that I started getting electric shocks from > > water, clothes, cutlery, and other things I touch. This is happening > > despite wearing thick rubber flip flops. > > "Despite"? I would think that thick rubber flip flops would actually > contribute to shocks. Do you get shocks with bare feet or cotton > socks? > > > Is it possible if taking vits and supps, and other alternative remedies > > such as herbs, and powders, to exacerbate those symptoms too? > > Yes, my burning face gets worse with anything that raises glutathione > levels, including Vitamin D. Also toxin mobilizers and chelators > can make these symptoms worse (e.g. chlorella) > > Marc > |
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> But last week, I saw an ND who prescribed an Ayurvedic mixture, to purify
> and cleanse the organs. Do you think this may have contributed to this > super EMS and ES during the last few days? Yes, it certainly could. You may have to stop that mixture, and hopefully your symptoms will return to normal. I certainly have had to stop taking things that a doctor wanted me to take. > What with the spongy rubber flip flops, are not these suppose to protect > from electricity? The rubber prevents your body from discharging into the ground. I get shocks when wearing rubber soles, but I do not get shocks if I wear static dissipative soles. Marc |
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> I forgot to ask, did you continue with raising your glut? or with vits
> and supps? Yes, but I did have to cut back or discontinue some of the supplements which were causing me problems. > Could it worsen these symptoms permanently? I've had "treatments" which did cause semi-permanent damage, but most damage can eventually be overcome. Better to just stop whatever is causing the problem ASAP. > It is such a difficult decision as if to continue with vits and supps, > and herbal remedy I am taking, because, I have noticed remarkable > improvement. Unless of course, I am going through a good cycle... This was something I had noticed as well. When raising my glutathione, I was definitely "stronger" than usual, but my ES was so much worse that I had to cut back. Marc |
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Hi, Kooky,
I have been off-line for awhile and am just reading recent posts--probably out of order. Sorry if someone has addressed this already. I have similar problems as yours--skin burning, tingling, etc (esp touching things, not just on face, as most here have), is a major symptom I have. I have it not just from ES, but also many chemicals, environmental, bacterial.... problems cause it, including glutens. I do find that B12 helps me with this symptom (and the symptom itself may be a type of peripheral neuropathy, which is associated with diabetes and celiac disease, both of which I have. This type of neuropathy is known to respond often to B12, and infact is usually caused by deficiency states caused by celiac d and diabetes.) Interestingly, tho, another forum member (Steph) found online that B12 excess can also CAUSE "vibrating"--also a similar symptom which I have in the past had problems with, which responds to B12 supplementation--and which is possibly also an associated neuropathic symptom. This is a common thing with nutrients--deficiencies and over-doses can have similar symptomology. The esp interesting thing was I found this to be true just recently when I tried a very high B12 supplement, prior to my father taking it. (I wanted to be sure it had active ingredients and he was not just taking faux B12.) It actually made my symptoms worse, temporarily! So, the moral here is, you have to experiment a bit to get your correct dose, or possibly B12 will contribute to your symptoms! Remember if you tryB12, you will need probably a higher dose initially and then you will needto taper this off, over time. Now I take the B12 only when I have vibrating at night. (I still do have skin burning sometimes when I touch something my immune system perceives as threatening. After so long, this type of neuropathy can become somewhat permanent. But B12 does help my esfacial and skin burning and the burning which cell towers, etc, bring on.) More to the point of this particular post--yes, the mixture you are taking to purify and cleanse the organs will make your symptoms much worse, temporarily. You are probably detoxing much more than you are used to. The detoxing also causes worse es symptoms as a whole. But you will find a month or so from now, you have much less skin burning and other symptoms, probably--at least, this is the way it works for me. But this improvement (for me, at least) doesn't last long usually. If you have built up toxins, you will possibly feel best taking this mixture on and off--take it awhile, take advantage of the good effects; then wait until you have return of symptoms and retake it again. As to the rubber flip-flops..... I too use rubber sole shoes--SOMETIMES. This can be a help or a hinderance and it helps to know what you are dealing with. If you have a tendency to be a person who takes on electric current, then the rubber shoes can sometimes help if you are in a high current place. (But I don't necessarily have to be touching a surface to take on electricity, so in that case, the rubber shoes do not help; also it isnot at all helpful in an atmosphere where you would be discharging currentif you were barefoot.) If I am using the rubber shoes, I also have needto use rubber gloves to handle particular things. Also it helps to go to a "clean" place in the forest to "off-load" your built-up electrical load. Sitting on the ground there (when it is dry enough), or hugging a tree (when it is too wet to sit)--not joking here--can help you discharge built up energies. You will want to leave the rubber shoes behind to do this. It takes me about 40 to 45 mins to discharge electricity and if I am not feeling better within 20 mins or so, I look for another spot to "discharge". Sometimes, even deep in the forest, thereare places of high ground currents and you will take on, instead of leave behind, electricity in these places. Hope this info is helpful, Diane --- On Tue, 5/5/09, furstc0404 <[hidden email]> wrote: From: furstc0404 <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrified anyone? To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 3:29 AM Thanks for this Martin. It could be that for one year now, I have been raising glutathione, gently and slowly by taking its precursors. But last week, I saw an ND who prescribed an Ayurvedic mixture, to purify and cleanse the organs. Do you think this may have contributed to this superEMS and ES during the last few days? What with the spongy rubber flip flops, are not these suppose to protect from electricity? Agghhh, am now confused!! Kooky --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote: > > > Recently, I started developing, tingling and burning skin. On the face, > > eyelids, arms and hands. Anyone else suffers from this? > > I have certainly had burning skin on my face. > > > The secondary issue, is that I started getting electric shocks from > > water, clothes, cutlery, and other things I touch. This is happening > > despite wearing thick rubber flip flops. > > "Despite"? I would think that thick rubber flip flops would actually > contribute to shocks. Do you get shocks with bare feet or cotton > socks? > > > Is it possible if taking vits and supps, and other alternative remedies > > such as herbs, and powders, to exacerbate those symptoms too? > > Yes, my burning face gets worse with anything that raises glutathione > levels, including Vitamin D. Also toxin mobilizers and chelators > can make these symptoms worse (e.g. chlorella) > > Marc > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi again, Kooky,
I believe very much that calcium ion channel defects and tight junction permeability contribute to es and cfs/me. (And celiac d. also has known association with tj permeability.) I have been researching this online for the past year. Diane --- On Tue, 5/5/09, furstc0404 <[hidden email]> wrote: From: furstc0404 <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrified anyone? To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:40 AM Hi Marc: I forgot to ask, did you continue with raising your glut? or with vits and supps? Could it worsen these symptoms permanently? Surely, there must be a way of dealing with this? It is such a difficult decision as if to continue with vits and supps, and herbal remedy I am taking, because, I have noticed remarkable improvement. Unless of course, I am going through a good cycle... Thanks, Kooky PS. I was reading about calcium channels, action potential and various neuronal dysfunction. Any thoughts on this. --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote: > > > Recently, I started developing, tingling and burning skin. On the face, > > eyelids, arms and hands. Anyone else suffers from this? > > I have certainly had burning skin on my face. > > > The secondary issue, is that I started getting electric shocks from > > water, clothes, cutlery, and other things I touch. This is happening > > despite wearing thick rubber flip flops. > > "Despite"? I would think that thick rubber flip flops would actually > contribute to shocks. Do you get shocks with bare feet or cotton > socks? > > > Is it possible if taking vits and supps, and other alternative remedies > > such as herbs, and powders, to exacerbate those symptoms too? > > Yes, my burning face gets worse with anything that raises glutathione > levels, including Vitamin D. Also toxin mobilizers and chelators > can make these symptoms worse (e.g. chlorella) > > Marc > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi again, Kooky,
I forgot to remind you of this--you always need to keep refiguring your supplements. You started out with deficiency states, more than likely. Overtime, you bring these into balance if you are taking the correct things in the right amounts. So, then you have to tweak your supplementation tostay in the correct balance. This is not an easy thing to do--sometimeswe have ongoing problems which tie up particular nutrients, while other supplements find themselves getting into excess. Remember that often nutrients show the same or similar symptoms when being over supplemented as when in deficiency. So supplementation cannot be a static thing. Diane --- On Tue, 5/5/09, furstc0404 <[hidden email]> wrote: From: furstc0404 <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrified anyone? To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:40 AM Hi Marc: I forgot to ask, did you continue with raising your glut? or with vits and supps? Could it worsen these symptoms permanently? Surely, there must be a way of dealing with this? It is such a difficult decision as if to continue with vits and supps, and herbal remedy I am taking, because, I have noticed remarkable improvement. Unless of course, I am going through a good cycle... Thanks, Kooky PS. I was reading about calcium channels, action potential and various neuronal dysfunction. Any thoughts on this. --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote: > > > Recently, I started developing, tingling and burning skin. On the face, > > eyelids, arms and hands. Anyone else suffers from this? > > I have certainly had burning skin on my face. > > > The secondary issue, is that I started getting electric shocks from > > water, clothes, cutlery, and other things I touch. This is happening > > despite wearing thick rubber flip flops. > > "Despite"? I would think that thick rubber flip flops would actually > contribute to shocks. Do you get shocks with bare feet or cotton > socks? > > > Is it possible if taking vits and supps, and other alternative remedies > > such as herbs, and powders, to exacerbate those symptoms too? > > Yes, my burning face gets worse with anything that raises glutathione > levels, including Vitamin D. Also toxin mobilizers and chelators > can make these symptoms worse (e.g. chlorella) > > Marc > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Diane - have you reached conclusions on how to address calcium ion channel defects and tight junction permeability? (Let alone diagnose them?)
R. --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > Hi again, Kooky, > > I believe very much that calcium ion channel defects and tight junctionpermeability contribute to es and cfs/me. (And celiac d. also has knownassociation with tj permeability.) I have been researching this online for the past year. > > Diane > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, furstc0404 <furstc@...> wrote: > > From: furstc0404 <furstc@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrified anyone? > To: [hidden email] > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:40 AM > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc: > > I forgot to ask, did you continue with raising your glut? or with vits and supps? > > Could it worsen these symptoms permanently? > > Surely, there must be a way of dealing with this? > > It is such a difficult decision as if to continue with vits and supps, and herbal remedy I am taking, because, I have noticed remarkable improvement. Unless of course, I am going through a good cycle... > > Thanks, > > Kooky > > PS. I was reading about calcium channels, action potential and various neuronal dysfunction. Any thoughts on this. > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote: > > > > > Recently, I started developing, tingling and burning skin. On the face, > > > eyelids, arms and hands. Anyone else suffers from this? > > > > I have certainly had burning skin on my face. > > > > > The secondary issue, is that I started getting electric shocks from > > > water, clothes, cutlery, and other things I touch. This is happening > > > despite wearing thick rubber flip flops. > > > > "Despite"? I would think that thick rubber flip flops would actually > > contribute to shocks. Do you get shocks with bare feet or cotton > > socks? > > > > > Is it possible if taking vits and supps, and other alternative remedies > > > such as herbs, and powders, to exacerbate those symptoms too? > > > > Yes, my burning face gets worse with anything that raises glutathione > > levels, including Vitamin D. Also toxin mobilizers and chelators > > can make these symptoms worse (e.g. chlorella) > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Hi, R,
Well, too soon to tell and highly unlikely. ;) I am probably one of the very few people at this forum who actually has been dxed with thisby a doctor--tho by association, not by actual testing. To my knowledge, there is no actual test for blood-brain barrier damage or tight-junction permeability of the bbb. There may be calcium ion channel testing now, but my actual association is thru tight-junction permeability. Untreated celiacs are known to have this (due to autopsy studies and animal and otherstudies.) Also, it is highly suspected that about a third of treated celiacs have ongoing problems with either gut tjs +/or bbb tjs (this may now be known not just suspected, as there were tests to determine this going on at least a year ago). I am considered to be one of those, due to symptomology. The manganese (which I am experimenting with) is one substance I was ableto find which can close channels which have been left "hanging open"--I found that from a medical research study performed on rabbits. I have mentioned in a previous post today why I consider this risky and why others should not go there yet, tho. I would not have gone there myself had it not been the clear association I have with this medically and the number of signs of possible manganese deficiencies I have. And still I am very careful to not over take the manganese. What I have found is, the manganese SOMETIMES helps for a period of about 21/2 days. When it does help, the es symptoms are all gone or extremely better for that amount of time. However, it doesn't always help--sometimes I get nothing. Also it doesn't last. So I would always have to use the manganese, which might mean that it would become toxic. Understand, the underlying problem is not a lack of manganese, the underlying problem is tjs or calcium ion channels leaking calcium and being left hanging open, due to too much calcium inside the cells as opposed to outside the cells. Yes, manganese can then close them, but the original problem is not being addressed and within 2 1/2 days, the dysfunctional tjs +/or calcium ionchannels again need closed (if this is what is indeed what is being addressed, and I think it probably is.) Diane (or GHC to you, R ;) ) --- On Tue, 5/5/09, rticleone <[hidden email]> wrote: From: rticleone <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrified anyone? To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:34 PM Diane - have you reached conclusions on how to address calcium ion channel defects and tight junction permeability? (Let alone diagnose them?) R. --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@. ..> wrote: > > Hi again, Kooky, > > I believe very much that calcium ion channel defects and tight junctionpermeability contribute to es and cfs/me. (And celiac d. also has knownassociation with tj permeability. ) I have been researching this onlinefor the past year. > > Diane > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, furstc0404 <furstc@...> wrote: > > From: furstc0404 <furstc@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrified anyone? > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:40 AM > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc: > > I forgot to ask, did you continue with raising your glut? or with vits and supps? > > Could it worsen these symptoms permanently? > > Surely, there must be a way of dealing with this? > > It is such a difficult decision as if to continue with vits and supps, and herbal remedy I am taking, because, I have noticed remarkable improvement. Unless of course, I am going through a good cycle... > > Thanks, > > Kooky > > PS. I was reading about calcium channels, action potential and various neuronal dysfunction. Any thoughts on this. > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote: > > > > > Recently, I started developing, tingling and burning skin. On the face, > > > eyelids, arms and hands. Anyone else suffers from this? > > > > I have certainly had burning skin on my face. > > > > > The secondary issue, is that I started getting electric shocks from > > > water, clothes, cutlery, and other things I touch. This is happening > > > despite wearing thick rubber flip flops. > > > > "Despite"? I would think that thick rubber flip flops would actually > > contribute to shocks. Do you get shocks with bare feet or cotton > > socks? > > > > > Is it possible if taking vits and supps, and other alternative remedies > > > such as herbs, and powders, to exacerbate those symptoms too? > > > > Yes, my burning face gets worse with anything that raises glutathione > > levels, including Vitamin D. Also toxin mobilizers and chelators > > can make these symptoms worse (e.g. chlorella) > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hullo G.H.C.,
Hmm - well, can we assume that due to general toxicity in the environment, EMR, etc., it's not a bad idea to do whatever may heal the BBB? Can you "over-tighten" the blood brain barrier, if that question makes sense? Also as a gluten-sensitive, I'm makes me curious. I don't have dx-ed Celiac, but a lab test showed high antibodies to gluten, and I know that cuttingit out got rid of a lot of problems - though it may have caused some damage over the years. I suppose I'm "treated" in that way (simply by total avoidance of gluten). Yes, I've always shied away from straight manganese supplementation myself.I just don't know if it's the right thing. If you come across a calcium ion channel test, please let us know! I've been experimenting with Calcium AEP - I haven't drawn any conclusions yet. All the best! R. --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > Hi, R, > > Well, too soon to tell and highly unlikely. ;) I am probably one of the very few people at this forum who actually has been dxed with this by a doctor--tho by association, not by actual testing. To my knowledge, there is no actual test for blood-brain barrier damage or tight-junction permeability of the bbb. There may be calcium ion channel testing now,but my actual association is thru tight-junction permeability. Untreated celiacs are known to have this (due to autopsy studies and animal and other studies.) Also, it is highly suspected that about a third of treated celiacs have ongoing problems with either gut tjs +/or bbb tjs (this may now be known not just suspected, as there were tests to determine this going on at least a year ago). I am considered to be one of those, dueto symptomology. > > The manganese (which I am experimenting with) is one substance I was able to find which can close channels which have been left "hanging open"--I found that from a medical research study performed on rabbits. I have mentioned in a previous post today why I consider this risky and why othersshould not go there yet, tho. I would not have gone there myself had itnot been the clear association I have with this medically and the number of signs of possible manganese deficiencies I have. And still I am very careful to not over take the manganese. > > What I have found is, the manganese SOMETIMES helps for a period of about2 1/2 days. When it does help, the es symptoms are all gone or extremely better for that amount of time. However, it doesn't always help--sometimes I get nothing. Also it doesn't last. So I would always have touse the manganese, which might mean that it would become toxic. Understand, the underlying problem is not a lack of manganese, the underlying problem is tjs or calcium ion channels leaking calcium and being left hanging open, due to too much calcium inside the cells as opposed to outside the cells. Yes, manganese can then close them, but the original problem is not being addressed and within 2 1/2 days, the dysfunctional tjs +/or calcium ion channels again need closed (if this is what is indeed what is being addressed, and I think it probably is.) > > Diane (or GHC to you, R ;) ) > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, rticleone <rticleone@...> wrote: > > From: rticleone <rticleone@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrified anyone? > To: [hidden email] > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:34 PM > > > > > > > > > Diane - have you reached conclusions on how to address calcium ion channel defects and tight junction permeability? (Let alone diagnose them?) > > R. > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote: > > > > Hi again, Kooky, > > > > I believe very much that calcium ion channel defects and tight junction permeability contribute to es and cfs/me. (And celiac d. also has known association with tj permeability. ) I have been researching this online for the past year. > > > > Diane > > > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, furstc0404 <furstc@> wrote: > > > > From: furstc0404 <furstc@> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrified anyone? > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:40 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc: > > > > I forgot to ask, did you continue with raising your glut? or with vits and supps? > > > > Could it worsen these symptoms permanently? > > > > Surely, there must be a way of dealing with this? > > > > It is such a difficult decision as if to continue with vits and supps, and herbal remedy I am taking, because, I have noticed remarkable improvement. Unless of course, I am going through a good cycle... > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kooky > > > > PS. I was reading about calcium channels, action potential and various neuronal dysfunction. Any thoughts on this. > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > Recently, I started developing, tingling and burning skin. On the face, > > > > eyelids, arms and hands. Anyone else suffers from this? > > > > > > I have certainly had burning skin on my face. > > > > > > > The secondary issue, is that I started getting electric shocks from > > > > water, clothes, cutlery, and other things I touch. This is happening > > > > despite wearing thick rubber flip flops. > > > > > > "Despite"? I would think that thick rubber flip flops would actually > > > contribute to shocks. Do you get shocks with bare feet or cotton > > > socks? > > > > > > > Is it possible if taking vits and supps, and other alternative remedies > > > > such as herbs, and powders, to exacerbate those symptoms too? > > > > > > Yes, my burning face gets worse with anything that raises glutathione > > > levels, including Vitamin D. Also toxin mobilizers and chelators > > > can make these symptoms worse (e.g. chlorella) > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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To diane and Kooky - kooky I have just quickly scanned your original post and you mention taking an aruvedic remedy - you need to be careful and checkwhat is in it - I could be wrong on this but I read somewhere that they can be high in either metals or arsenic - As I say I could be wrong but the mention of "aruvedic" is definitely ringing a cautionary bell with me.
Best wishes Steph --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Evie <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Electrified anyone? To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 7:28 PM Hi, Kooky, I have been off-line for awhile and am just reading recent posts--probably out of order. Sorry if someone has addressed this already. I have similar problems as yours--skin burning, tingling, etc (esp touching things, not just on face, as most here have), is a major symptom I have. I have it not just from ES, but also many chemicals, environmental, bacterial... . problems cause it, including glutens. I do find that B12 helps me with this symptom (and the symptom itself may be a type of peripheralneuropathy, which is associated with diabetes and celiac disease, both of which I have. This type of neuropathy is known to respond often to B12, and infact is usually caused by deficiency states caused by celiac d and diabetes.) Interestingly, tho, another forum member (Steph) found online that B12 excess can also CAUSE "vibrating"- -also a similar symptom which I have in the past had problems with, which responds to B12 supplementation- -and which is possibly also an associated neuropath ic symptom. This is a common thing with nutrients--deficien cies and over-doses can have similar symptomology. The esp interesting thing was I found this to be true justrecently when I tried a very high B12 supplement, prior to my father taking it. (I wanted to be sure it had active ingredients and he was not justtaking faux B12.) It actually made my symptoms worse, temporarily! So, the moral here is, you have to experiment a bit to get your correct dose, or possibly B12 will contribute to your symptoms! Remember if you try B12, you will need probably a higher dose initially and then you will need to taper this off, over time. Now I take the B12 only when I have vibrating at night. (I still do have skin burning sometimes when I touch something my immune system perceives as threatening. After so long, this typeof neuropathy can become somewhat permanent. But B12 does help my es facial and skin burning and the burning which cell towers, etc, bring on.) More to the point of this particular post--yes, the mixture you are taking to purify and cleanse the organs will make your symptoms much worse, temporarily. You are probably detoxing much more than you are used to. The detoxing also causes worse es symptoms as a whole. But you will find a month or so from now, you have much less skin burning and other symptoms, probably--at least, this is the way it works for me. But this improvement (for me, at least) doesn't last long usually. If you have built up toxins, you will possibly feel best taking this mixture on and off--take it awhile, take advantage of the good effects; then wait until you have return of symptoms and retake it again. As to the rubber flip-flops.. ... I too use rubber sole shoes--SOMETIMES. This can be a help or a hinderance and it helps to know what you are dealing with. If you have a tendency to be a person who takes on electriccurrent, then the rubber shoes can sometimes help if you are in a high current place. (But I don't necessarily have to be touching a surface to take on electricity, so in that case, the rubber shoes do not help; also it is not at all helpful in an atmosphere where you would be discharging current if you were barefoot.) If I am using the rubber shoes, I also have need to use rubber gloves to handle particular things. Also it helps to go to a "clean" place in the forest to "off-load" your built-up electrical load. Sitting on the ground there (when it is dry enough), or hugging a tree (when it is too wet to sit)--not joking here--can help you discharge built up energies. You will want to leave the rubber shoes behind to do this. It takes me about 40 to 45 mins to discharge electricity and if I am not feeling better within 20 mins or so, I look for another spot to "discharge". Sometimes, even deep in the forest, thereare places of high ground currents and you will take on, instead of leave behind, electricity in these places. Hope this info is helpful, Diane --- On Tue, 5/5/09, furstc0404 <furstc@hotmail. com> wrote: From: furstc0404 <furstc@hotmail. com> Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrified anyone? To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 3:29 AM Thanks for this Martin. It could be that for one year now, I have been raising glutathione, gently and slowly by taking its precursors. But last week, I saw an ND who prescribed an Ayurvedic mixture, to purify and cleanse the organs. Do you think this may have contributed to this superEMS and ES during the last few days? What with the spongy rubber flip flops, are not these suppose to protect from electricity? Agghhh, am now confused!! Kooky --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote: > > > Recently, I started developing, tingling and burning skin. On the face, > > eyelids, arms and hands. Anyone else suffers from this? > > I have certainly had burning skin on my face. > > > The secondary issue, is that I started getting electric shocks from > > water, clothes, cutlery, and other things I touch. This is happening > > despite wearing thick rubber flip flops. > > "Despite"? I would think that thick rubber flip flops would actually > contribute to shocks. Do you get shocks with bare feet or cotton > socks? > > > Is it possible if taking vits and supps, and other alternative remedies > > such as herbs, and powders, to exacerbate those symptoms too? > > Yes, my burning face gets worse with anything that raises glutathione > levels, including Vitamin D. Also toxin mobilizers and chelators > can make these symptoms worse (e.g. chlorella) > > Marc > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I concur. I think Ayurvedic medicine is very interesting, but I, too, have read reports of considerable amounts of samples being contaminated with heavy metals. Always good to see if you can find MSDS or other confirmations of the product's cleanliness.
R. --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > To diane and Kooky - kooky I have just quickly scanned your original postand you mention taking an aruvedic remedy - you need to be careful and check what is in it - I could be wrong on this but I read somewhere that they can be high in either metals or arsenic - As I say I could be wrong but themention of "aruvedic" is definitely ringing a cautionary bell with me. > > Best wishes > > Steph > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > > From: Evie <evie15422@...> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Electrified anyone? > To: [hidden email] > Date: Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 7:28 PM > > > > > > > > > Hi, Kooky, > > I have been off-line for awhile and am just reading recent posts--probably out of order. Sorry if someone has addressed this already. > > I have similar problems as yours--skin burning, tingling, etc (esp touching things, not just on face, as most here have), is a major symptom I have. I have it not just from ES, but also many chemicals, environmental, bacterial... . problems cause it, including glutens. I do find that B12 helps me with this symptom (and the symptom itself may be a type of peripheral neuropathy, which is associated with diabetes and celiac disease, both of which I have. This type of neuropathy is known to respond often to B12, and infact is usually caused by deficiency states caused by celiac d and diabetes.) Interestingly, tho, another forum member (Steph) found onlinethat B12 excess can also CAUSE "vibrating"- -also a similar symptom which I have in the past had problems with, which responds to B12 supplementation- -and which is possibly also an associated neuropath ic symptom. Thisis a common thing with nutrients--deficien cies and over-doses can have > similar > symptomology. The esp interesting thing was I found this to be true just recently when I tried a very high B12 supplement, prior to my father taking it. (I wanted to be sure it had active ingredients and he was not just taking faux B12.) It actually made my symptoms worse, temporarily! So, the moral here is, you have to experiment a bit to get your correct dose, or possibly B12 will contribute to your symptoms! Remember if you try B12, you will need probably a higher dose initially and then you will need to taper this off, over time. Now I take the B12 only when I have vibrating at night. (I still do have skin burning sometimes when I touch something my immune system perceives as threatening. After so long, this type of neuropathy can become somewhat permanent. But B12 does help my es facial and skin burning and the burning which cell towers, etc, bring on.) > > More to the point of this particular post--yes, the mixture you are taking to purify and cleanse the organs will make your symptoms much worse, temporarily. You are probably detoxing much more than you are used to. The detoxing also causes worse es symptoms as a whole. But you will find amonth or so from now, you have much less skin burning and other symptoms, probably--at least, this is the way it works for me. But this improvement (for me, at least) doesn't last long usually. If you have built up toxins, you will possibly feel best taking this mixture on and off--take it awhile, take advantage of the good effects; then wait until you have return of symptoms and retake it again. > > As to the rubber flip-flops.. ... I too use rubber sole shoes--SOMETIMES. This can be a help or a hinderance and it helps to know what you aredealing with. If you have a tendency to be a person who takes on electric current, then the rubber shoes can sometimes help if you are in a high current place. (But I don't necessarily have to be touching a surface to take on electricity, so in that case, the rubber shoes do not help; also itis not at all helpful in an atmosphere where you would be discharging current if you were barefoot.) If I am using the rubber shoes, I also have need to use rubber gloves to handle particular things. > > Also it helps to go to a "clean" place in the forest to "off-load" your built-up electrical load. Sitting on the ground there (when it is dry enough), or hugging a tree (when it is too wet to sit)--not joking here--can help you discharge built up energies. You will want to leave the rubbershoes behind to do this. It takes me about 40 to 45 mins to dischargeelectricity and if I am not feeling better within 20 mins or so, I look for another spot to "discharge". Sometimes, even deep in the forest, there are places of high ground currents and you will take on, instead of leave behind, electricity in these places. > > Hope this info is helpful, > Diane > > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, furstc0404 <furstc@hotmail. com> wrote: > > From: furstc0404 <furstc@hotmail. com> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrified anyone? > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 3:29 AM > > Thanks for this Martin. > > It could be that for one year now, I have been raising glutathione, gently and slowly by taking its precursors. > > But last week, I saw an ND who prescribed an Ayurvedic mixture, to purifyand cleanse the organs. Do you think this may have contributed to this super EMS and ES during the last few days? > > What with the spongy rubber flip flops, are not these suppose to protect from electricity? > > Agghhh, am now confused!! > > Kooky > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote: > > > > > Recently, I started developing, tingling and burning skin. On the face, > > > eyelids, arms and hands. Anyone else suffers from this? > > > > I have certainly had burning skin on my face. > > > > > The secondary issue, is that I started getting electric shocks from > > > water, clothes, cutlery, and other things I touch. This is happening > > > despite wearing thick rubber flip flops. > > > > "Despite"? I would think that thick rubber flip flops would actually > > contribute to shocks. Do you get shocks with bare feet or cotton > > socks? > > > > > Is it possible if taking vits and supps, and other alternative remedies > > > such as herbs, and powders, to exacerbate those symptoms too? > > > > Yes, my burning face gets worse with anything that raises glutathione > > levels, including Vitamin D. Also toxin mobilizers and chelators > > can make these symptoms worse (e.g. chlorella) > > > > Marc > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Hi Diane
Did you look up that ion channel reference [Chaudhuri et al?] that I gave you ? I know you are vvv busy but if you do I'd be interested to know what you think about it. Best wishes Steph Hope things are OK with you! --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Evie <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Electrified anyone? To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 7:32 PM Hi again, Kooky, I believe very much that calcium ion channel defects and tight junction permeability contribute to es and cfs/me. (And celiac d. also has known association with tj permeability. ) I have been researching this online for the past year. Diane --- On Tue, 5/5/09, furstc0404 <furstc@hotmail. com> wrote: From: furstc0404 <furstc@hotmail. com> Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrified anyone? To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:40 AM Hi Marc: I forgot to ask, did you continue with raising your glut? or with vits and supps? Could it worsen these symptoms permanently? Surely, there must be a way of dealing with this? It is such a difficult decision as if to continue with vits and supps, and herbal remedy I am taking, because, I have noticed remarkable improvement. Unless of course, I am going through a good cycle... Thanks, Kooky PS. I was reading about calcium channels, action potential and various neuronal dysfunction. Any thoughts on this. --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote: > > > Recently, I started developing, tingling and burning skin. On the face, > > eyelids, arms and hands. Anyone else suffers from this? > > I have certainly had burning skin on my face. > > > The secondary issue, is that I started getting electric shocks from > > water, clothes, cutlery, and other things I touch. This is happening > > despite wearing thick rubber flip flops. > > "Despite"? I would think that thick rubber flip flops would actually > contribute to shocks. Do you get shocks with bare feet or cotton > socks? > > > Is it possible if taking vits and supps, and other alternative remedies > > such as herbs, and powders, to exacerbate those symptoms too? > > Yes, my burning face gets worse with anything that raises glutathione > levels, including Vitamin D. Also toxin mobilizers and chelators > can make these symptoms worse (e.g. chlorella) > > Marc > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Can you just clarify something for me - you mention that you had a lab testshowing antibodies to gluten and that when you cut it out you got "treated" - do you mean that it "treated" your ES??? or that it treated your gut? Best wishes Steph --- On Tue, 5/5/09, rticleone <[hidden email]> wrote: From: rticleone <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Calcium ion channels (formerly Electrified anyone? To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 10:49 PM Hullo G.H.C., Hmm - well, can we assume that due to general toxicity in the environment, EMR, etc., it's not a bad idea to do whatever may heal the BBB? Can you "over-tighten" the blood brain barrier, if that question makes sense? Also as a gluten-sensitive, I'm makes me curious. I don't have dx-ed Celiac, but a lab test showed high antibodies to gluten, and I know that cutting it out got rid of a lot of problems - though it may have caused some damageover the years. I suppose I'm "treated" in that way (simply by total avoidance of gluten). Yes, I've always shied away from straight manganese supplementation myself.I just don't know if it's the right thing. If you come across a calcium ion channel test, please let us know! I've been experimenting with Calcium AEP - I haven't drawn any conclusions yet. All the best! R. --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@. ..> wrote: > > Hi, R, > > Well, too soon to tell and highly unlikely. ;) I am probably one of the very few people at this forum who actually has been dxed with this by a doctor--tho by association, not by actual testing. To my knowledge, there is no actual test for blood-brain barrier damage or tight-junction permeability of the bbb. There may be calcium ion channel testing now,but my actual association is thru tight-junction permeability. Untreated celiacs are known to have this (due to autopsy studies and animal and other studies.) Also, it is highly suspected that about a third of treated celiacs have ongoing problems with either gut tjs +/or bbb tjs (this may now be known not just suspected, as there were tests to determine this going on at least a year ago). I am considered to be one of those, dueto symptomology. > > The manganese (which I am experimenting with) is one substance I was able to find which can close channels which have been left "hanging open"--I found that from a medical research study performed on rabbits. I have mentioned in a previous post today why I consider this risky and why othersshould not go there yet, tho. I would not have gone there myself had itnot been the clear association I have with this medically and the number of signs of possible manganese deficiencies I have. And still I am very careful to not over take the manganese. > > What I have found is, the manganese SOMETIMES helps for a period of about2 1/2 days. When it does help, the es symptoms are all gone or extremely better for that amount of time. However, it doesn't always help--sometimes I get nothing. Also it doesn't last. So I would always have touse the manganese, which might mean that it would become toxic. Understand, the underlying problem is not a lack of manganese, the underlying problem is tjs or calcium ion channels leaking calcium and being left hanging open, due to too much calcium inside the cells as opposed to outside the cells. Yes, manganese can then close them, but the original problem is not being addressed and within 2 1/2 days, the dysfunctional tjs +/or calcium ion channels again need closed (if this is what is indeed what is being addressed, and I think it probably is.) > > Diane (or GHC to you, R ;) ) > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, rticleone <rticleone@. ..> wrote: > > From: rticleone <rticleone@. ..> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrified anyone? > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:34 PM > > > > > > > > > Diane - have you reached conclusions on how to address calcium ion channel defects and tight junction permeability? (Let alone diagnose them?) > > R. > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote: > > > > Hi again, Kooky, > > > > I believe very much that calcium ion channel defects and tight junction permeability contribute to es and cfs/me. (And celiac d. also has known association with tj permeability. ) I have been researching this online for the past year. > > > > Diane > > > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, furstc0404 <furstc@> wrote: > > > > From: furstc0404 <furstc@> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrified anyone? > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:40 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc: > > > > I forgot to ask, did you continue with raising your glut? or with vits and supps? > > > > Could it worsen these symptoms permanently? > > > > Surely, there must be a way of dealing with this? > > > > It is such a difficult decision as if to continue with vits and supps, and herbal remedy I am taking, because, I have noticed remarkable improvement. Unless of course, I am going through a good cycle... > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kooky > > > > PS. I was reading about calcium channels, action potential and various neuronal dysfunction. Any thoughts on this. > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > Recently, I started developing, tingling and burning skin. On the face, > > > > eyelids, arms and hands. Anyone else suffers from this? > > > > > > I have certainly had burning skin on my face. > > > > > > > The secondary issue, is that I started getting electric shocks from > > > > water, clothes, cutlery, and other things I touch. This is happening > > > > despite wearing thick rubber flip flops. > > > > > > "Despite"? I would think that thick rubber flip flops would actually > > > contribute to shocks. Do you get shocks with bare feet or cotton > > > socks? > > > > > > > Is it possible if taking vits and supps, and other alternative remedies > > > > such as herbs, and powders, to exacerbate those symptoms too? > > > > > > Yes, my burning face gets worse with anything that raises glutathione > > > levels, including Vitamin D. Also toxin mobilizers and chelators > > > can make these symptoms worse (e.g. chlorella) > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hey Steph,
Sorry, I should have clarified - my "treatment" was for my gluten sensitivity. All I did to treat it was entirely eliminate the consumption of gluten. I'm sure this has had some positive effect on my difficulties in dealing with electrical/chemical issues, but I can't say it was a treatment for them.Imagine if it was so simple! I'm still working on it, but I wonder how many people with environmental sensitivities would benefit from going gluten free, regardless of a celiac/gluten intolerance diagnosis. I feel that anyhelp you can give the guts will have beneficial effect, overall. Cheers, R. --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > Hi R > > Can you just clarify something for me - you mention that you had a lab test showing antibodies to gluten and that when you cut it out you got "treated" - do you mean that it "treated" your ES??? or that it treated your gut? > Best wishes > > Steph > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, rticleone <rticleone@...> wrote: > > > From: rticleone <rticleone@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Calcium ion channels (formerly Electrified anyone? > To: [hidden email] > Date: Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 10:49 PM > > > > > > > > > Hullo G.H.C., > > Hmm - well, can we assume that due to general toxicity in the environment, EMR, etc., it's not a bad idea to do whatever may heal the BBB? Can you "over-tighten" the blood brain barrier, if that question makes sense? > > Also as a gluten-sensitive, I'm makes me curious. I don't have dx-ed Celiac, but a lab test showed high antibodies to gluten, and I know that cutting it out got rid of a lot of problems - though it may have caused some damage over the years. I suppose I'm "treated" in that way (simply by total avoidance of gluten). > > Yes, I've always shied away from straight manganese supplementation myself. I just don't know if it's the right thing. > > If you come across a calcium ion channel test, please let us know! > > I've been experimenting with Calcium AEP - I haven't drawn any conclusions yet. > > All the best! > > R. > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote: > > > > Hi, R, > > > > Well, too soon to tell and highly unlikely. ;) I am probably one of the very few people at this forum who actually has been dxed with this by a doctor--tho by association, not by actual testing. To my knowledge, there is no actual test for blood-brain barrier damage or tight-junction permeability of the bbb. There may be calcium ion channel testing now, but my actual association is thru tight-junction permeability. Untreated celiacs are known to have this (due to autopsy studies and animal and other studies.) Also, it is highly suspected that about a third of treated celiacs have ongoing problems with either gut tjs +/or bbb tjs (this may now be known not just suspected, as there were tests to determine this going on at least a year ago). I am considered to be one of those, due to symptomology. > > > > The manganese (which I am experimenting with) is one substance I was able to find which can close channels which have been left "hanging open"--I found that from a medical research study performed on rabbits. I have mentioned in a previous post today why I consider this risky and why others should not go there yet, tho. I would not have gone there myself had it not been the clear association I have with this medically and the numberof signs of possible manganese deficiencies I have. And still I am verycareful to not over take the manganese. > > > > What I have found is, the manganese SOMETIMES helps for a period of about 2 1/2 days. When it does help, the es symptoms are all gone or extremely better for that amount of time. However, it doesn't always help--sometimes I get nothing. Also it doesn't last. So I would always have to use the manganese, which might mean that it would become toxic. Understand, the underlying problem is not a lack of manganese, the underlying problem is tjs or calcium ion channels leaking calcium and being left hangingopen, due to too much calcium inside the cells as opposed to outside the cells. Yes, manganese can then close them, but the original problem is not being addressed and within 2 1/2 days, the dysfunctional tjs +/or calciumion channels again need closed (if this is what is indeed what is being addressed, and I think it probably is.) > > > > Diane (or GHC to you, R ;) ) > > > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, rticleone <rticleone@ ..> wrote: > > > > From: rticleone <rticleone@ ..> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrified anyone? > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane - have you reached conclusions on how to address calcium ion channel defects and tight junction permeability? (Let alone diagnose them?) > > > > R. > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Hi again, Kooky, > > > > > > I believe very much that calcium ion channel defects and tight junction permeability contribute to es and cfs/me. (And celiac d. also has known association with tj permeability. ) I have been researching this online for the past year. > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, furstc0404 <furstc@> wrote: > > > > > > From: furstc0404 <furstc@> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrified anyone? > > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:40 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc: > > > > > > I forgot to ask, did you continue with raising your glut? or with vits and supps? > > > > > > Could it worsen these symptoms permanently? > > > > > > Surely, there must be a way of dealing with this? > > > > > > It is such a difficult decision as if to continue with vits and supps, and herbal remedy I am taking, because, I have noticed remarkable improvement. Unless of course, I am going through a good cycle... > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Kooky > > > > > > PS. I was reading about calcium channels, action potential and various neuronal dysfunction. Any thoughts on this. > > > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Recently, I started developing, tingling and burning skin. On theface, > > > > > eyelids, arms and hands. Anyone else suffers from this? > > > > > > > > I have certainly had burning skin on my face. > > > > > > > > > The secondary issue, is that I started getting electric shocks from > > > > > water, clothes, cutlery, and other things I touch. This is happening > > > > > despite wearing thick rubber flip flops. > > > > > > > > "Despite"? I would think that thick rubber flip flops would actually > > > > contribute to shocks. Do you get shocks with bare feet or cotton > > > > socks? > > > > > > > > > Is it possible if taking vits and supps, and other alternative remedies > > > > > such as herbs, and powders, to exacerbate those symptoms too? > > > > > > > > Yes, my burning face gets worse with anything that raises glutathione > > > > levels, including Vitamin D. Also toxin mobilizers and chelators > > > > can make these symptoms worse (e.g. chlorella) > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Not sure if this has to do with the ion channels you've been talking about specifically, but maybe. Ran across it today:
Taurine - ...Taurine is a non-essential amino acid and is found in high concentrations in the white blood cells, skeletal muscles, >central nervous system< as well as the heart muscles. ...This nutrient is also used in the proper use of potassium, calcium as well as sodium in the body, and for maintaining cell membrane integrity. It is thought to be helpful with anxiety, hyperactivity, poor brain function and epilepsy as well as hydrating the brain. Taurine, together with zinc is also required for proper eye health and vision.... http://www.anyvitamins.com/taurine-info.htm Hydrating the brain sounds good to me. Helping the cns, epilepsy, which seems very similar to ems to me. Also since it helps with regulation of cholesterol, which is necessary to reparing the myelin sheath, which should reduce symptoms, could be helpful. :) Also have read that black pepper, bay and ??? are good at tightening up thejunctions in leaky gut syndrome. Leaky in the gut or the brain, basically the same difference. ~ Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > Hi Diane > > Did you look up that ion channel reference [Chaudhuri et al?] that I gaveyou ? I know you are vvv busy but if you do I'd be interested to know whatyou think about it. |
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Hi Diane, we are on the same "wavelength" lol. from all I read, it points to calcium ion channel. Now, I am reading about biodynamic devices which may counteract the ES/EMS. Have you read similar? Even when touch my aloe vera plant, lol, I get an electric shock!! Have you read research concerning ion calcium channels in general. My EMS is also very very sensitive to earth magnetism, in the sense, thatany slight changes, such as sunset and sunrise affects me, and other phenomena, anyone else experience this? --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > Hi again, Kooky, > > I believe very much that calcium ion channel defects and tight junctionpermeability contribute to es and cfs/me. (And celiac d. also has knownassociation with tj permeability.) I have been researching this online for the past year. > > Diane > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, furstc0404 <furstc@...> wrote: > > From: furstc0404 <furstc@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrified anyone? > To: [hidden email] > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:40 AM > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc: > > I forgot to ask, did you continue with raising your glut? or with vits and supps? > > Could it worsen these symptoms permanently? > > Surely, there must be a way of dealing with this? > > It is such a difficult decision as if to continue with vits and supps, and herbal remedy I am taking, because, I have noticed remarkable improvement. Unless of course, I am going through a good cycle... > > Thanks, > > Kooky > > PS. I was reading about calcium channels, action potential and various neuronal dysfunction. Any thoughts on this. > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote: > > > > > Recently, I started developing, tingling and burning skin. On the face, > > > eyelids, arms and hands. Anyone else suffers from this? > > > > I have certainly had burning skin on my face. > > > > > The secondary issue, is that I started getting electric shocks from > > > water, clothes, cutlery, and other things I touch. This is happening > > > despite wearing thick rubber flip flops. > > > > "Despite"? I would think that thick rubber flip flops would actually > > contribute to shocks. Do you get shocks with bare feet or cotton > > socks? > > > > > Is it possible if taking vits and supps, and other alternative remedies > > > such as herbs, and powders, to exacerbate those symptoms too? > > > > Yes, my burning face gets worse with anything that raises glutathione > > levels, including Vitamin D. Also toxin mobilizers and chelators > > can make these symptoms worse (e.g. chlorella) > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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In reply to this post by Marc Martin
Hi Marc I also get shocks with bare feet and with socks lol. But is not rubber suppose to diffuse electricity? I am very ignorant when it comes to electricity. --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote: > > > Recently, I started developing, tingling and burning skin. On the face, > > eyelids, arms and hands. Anyone else suffers from this? > > I have certainly had burning skin on my face. > > > The secondary issue, is that I started getting electric shocks from > > water, clothes, cutlery, and other things I touch. This is happening > > despite wearing thick rubber flip flops. > > "Despite"? I would think that thick rubber flip flops would actually > contribute to shocks. Do you get shocks with bare feet or cotton > socks? > > > Is it possible if taking vits and supps, and other alternative remedies > > such as herbs, and powders, to exacerbate those symptoms too? > > Yes, my burning face gets worse with anything that raises glutathione > levels, including Vitamin D. Also toxin mobilizers and chelators > can make these symptoms worse (e.g. chlorella) > > Marc > |
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