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Re: so many emails

Loni Rosser
That would require a lot of work for us & not really feasible. Loni

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From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] so many emails
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 12:59 PM


In the old days newsgroups had a montly summary, and an FAQ that was kept
current.  But those were run by people without ES...

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

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>
> Exactly!  I've been taking notes on info because retrieving is much too
> grueling!  Know how you feel Marc. Loni
>
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> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email] <marc%40ufoseries.com>>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] so many emails
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 11:26 AM
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>
>
>
> > No I must have missed it. Which one was it? I'd like to. I get so many
> > emails that I skim through them & do miss some info.
>
> Yes, unfortunately this group has become too busy for someone with
> ES to follow! :-(
>
> Marc
>
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Re: so many emails

Marc Martin
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> In the old days newsgroups had a monthly summary, and an FAQ that was kept
> current. But those were run by people without ES...

It's not that I can't do this because of my ES... it's that I'm spread too
thin in too many areas... I have two jobs, maintain two websites, moderate
two discussion groups, have a house, wife, pets, etc.

Too much to-do and too little time!

Marc

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Re: so many emails

BiBrun
My wife thinks I have two wives... the other being my ES.
Bill

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>
> > In the old days newsgroups had a monthly summary, and an FAQ that was
> kept
>
> > current. But those were run by people without ES...
>
> It's not that I can't do this because of my ES... it's that I'm spread too
> thin in too many areas... I have two jobs, maintain two websites, moderate
> two discussion groups, have a house, wife, pets, etc.
>
> Too much to-do and too little time!
>
> Marc
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Re: so many emails

Loni Rosser
The ES wife is a wicked witch! Ha Loni

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Subject: Re: [eSens] so many emails
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Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 1:10 PM


My wife thinks I have two wives... the other being my ES.
Bill

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>
> > In the old days newsgroups had a monthly summary, and an FAQ that was
> kept
>
> > current. But those were run by people without ES...
>
> It's not that I can't do this because of my ES... it's that I'm spread too
> thin in too many areas... I have two jobs, maintain two websites, moderate
> two discussion groups, have a house, wife, pets, etc.
>
> Too much to-do and too little time!
>
> Marc

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Re: so many emails

Loni Rosser
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Wow, just wow! You are busy! Loni

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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] so many emails
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 1:06 PM


 



> In the old days newsgroups had a monthly summary, and an FAQ that was kept
> current. But those were run by people without ES...

It's not that I can't do this because of my ES... it's that I'm spread too
thin in too many areas... I have two jobs, maintain two websites, moderate
two discussion groups, have a house, wife, pets, etc.

Too much to-do and too little time!

Marc








     

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Re: so many emails

Rixta Francis
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I have the same problem. As I'm in Australia most posts come in during the night and I need to go through the whole lot at once in the morning. I select by subject title, but unfortunately the discussions go so fast at the moment that the subject is often not correct anymore. I'm afraid I miss a lot of information that way.
Can you people maybe try to adjust the subject line when the discussion has gone into a totally different direction? That would make it a lot easier for me (and probably lots of others). Thanks.

Rixta


Yes, unfortunately this group has become too busy for someone with
ES to follow! :-(

Marc


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Re: so many emails

evie15422
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Bless you, Marc, 
 
I am always amazed how quickly you respond to posts.  I could never dothat.  I don't know from one day to the next which house I am going to be in, let alone whether I'll have the time to be online. 
 
Marc, you are doing just fine, as is,  (Farm out the extras to Bill!  lol  Sorry, Bill--that was just too easy.  ;)  )
 
Diane

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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] so many emails
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 3:06 PM


 



> In the old days newsgroups had a monthly summary, and an FAQ that was kept
> current. But those were run by people without ES...

It's not that I can't do this because of my ES... it's that I'm spread too
thin in too many areas... I have two jobs, maintain two websites, moderate
two discussion groups, have a house, wife, pets, etc.

Too much to-do and too little time!

Marc








     

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Re: so many emails

Marc Martin
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> Wow, just wow! You are busy! Loni

Yes, I was reluctant to start this group in the first place,
because I was already busy enough...

Marc

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Re: so many emails

Drasko Cvijovic-2
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Marc,
I remember days when you started this group, and you have done a great job since! Maintaining it is rather demanding, and as the group grows, there isno way for you to elaborate each posting. Even just to follow what are thenew topics is demanding for us, "consumers"... (I sometimes read only yourpostings as a kind of most relevant.)

But group has to continue growing and being one of the benchmarks in the ESissue. My suggestion is that you place several rules appropriate to the current stage of the group. One rule should definitely have been what Rixta said - that people take care of the threads and change subject when it goes astray. Also, prolonged correspondences between two people might be diverted to private emailing. Also, some FAQ file (how the gadgets work etc.) can be assembled and sent as a welcome message to avoid repetition whenever a new member comes. Etc.
Anyway, please continue the good work and thank you for it!
Regards,

Drasko

Can you people maybe try to adjust the subject line when the discussion has gone into a totally different direction? That would make it a lot easier for me (and probably lots of others). Thanks.
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> Rixta
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Re: so many emails

Christina Steils
Would it be easier to have a site like this one where its all laid out and easy to find the topics?
http://www.es-uk.info/
Maybe Marc you could join forces with Sarah Dacre who is one of the Trustee of ES-UK
Or make your own site? Just a idea? But what ever you do Keep up the good work, with out people like yourself, many people are just lost.
Giles

--- On Fri, 26/2/10, Drasko <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Drasko <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: so many emails
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 26 February, 2010, 11:42















 
 



 


   
     
     
     

Marc,

I remember days when you started this group, and you have done a great job since! Maintaining it is rather demanding, and as the group grows, there isno way for you to elaborate each posting. Even just to follow what are thenew topics is demanding for us, "consumers". .. (I sometimes read only your postings as a kind of most relevant.)



But group has to continue growing and being one of the benchmarks in the ESissue. My suggestion is that you place several rules appropriate to the current stage of the group. One rule should definitely have been what Rixta said - that people take care of the threads and change subject when it goes astray. Also, prolonged correspondences between two people might be diverted to private emailing. Also, some FAQ file (how the gadgets work etc.) can be assembled and sent as a welcome message to avoid repetition whenever a new member comes. Etc.

Anyway, please continue the good work and thank you for it!

Regards,



Drasko



Can you people maybe try to adjust the subject line when the discussion hasgone into a totally different direction? That would make it a lot easier for me (and probably lots of others). Thanks.

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> Rixta

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Re: so many emails

cris_aov
       

<<<<<Would it be easier to have a site like this one where its all laid outand easy

to find the topics?

http://www.es-uk.info/

>>>>>


I wish so much that this forum were like most other forums were they are easy to navigate,read posts, and find info, I bet so many more people would join in and be more educated on this subject.

these yahoo forums are not user friendly and I bet it scares away many people.

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Re: so many emails

stephen_vandevijvere
We're being mentioned on the ES UK -site!
http://www.es-uk.info/forums/thread.asp?threadID=103

It is a better structured site yes. But there's not a lot of posts/activitygoing on there...

Should we consider a hostile takeover? :)

Stephen.



--- In [hidden email], "cris_aov" <cris_aov@...> wrote:

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>
>
> <<<<<Would it be easier to have a site like this one where its all laid out and easy
>
> to find the topics?
>
> http://www.es-uk.info/
>
> >>>>>
>
>
> I wish so much that this forum were like most other forums were they are easy to navigate,read posts, and find info, I bet so many more people wouldjoin in and be more educated on this subject.
>
> these yahoo forums are not user friendly and I bet it scares away many people.
>

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Re: so many emails

Marc Martin
Administrator
> It is a better structured site yes. But there's not a lot of
> posts/activity going on there...
>
> Should we consider a hostile takeover? :)

Well, some people don't like forums (and other do, obviously). I know
that I rarely (if ever) participate in forums, and when other
YahooGroups migrate to a forum, I generally don't move with them.

So I guess this group is for those who like YahooGroups. Others
can use forums, blogs, facebook, twitter, etc. :-)

Marc

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Re: so many emails

Christina Steils
Dear Marc
Someone like yourself could give so much more help to others on this site as well. Give it a go. There arent exactly many ES groups out there!
If im on one of my ES meetings with councilors, MPs Doctors, etc i give them a couple of sites with real peoples voices, who deal with ES on a daily bases. 
Give it a go for a while.
Best
Giles


--- On Sat, 27/2/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: so many emails
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 27 February, 2010, 2:50















 
 



 


   
     
     
> It is a better structured site yes. But there's not a lot of

> posts/activity going on there...

>

> Should we consider a hostile takeover? :)



Well, some people don't like forums (and other do, obviously). I know

that I rarely (if ever) participate in forums, and when other

YahooGroups migrate to a forum, I generally don't move with them.



So I guess this group is for those who like YahooGroups. Others

can use forums, blogs, facebook, twitter, etc. :-)



Marc



   
     

   
   


 



 











     

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Re: so many emails

Marc Martin
Administrator
> Dear Marc Someone like yourself could give so much more help to others
> on this site as well.

Like I said before, I'm stretched too thin -- if I spend all of my time
"working" and no time relaxing, then I'm not going to stay healthy
myself! But certainly anyone else can step up and do some of what is
being suggested.

If it's just the broken Yahoo search (which really is only broken for
searching messages posted within the last year), I'm sure we can find a
workaround for that. For example, there is a piece of shareware called
"PG Offline" which you can use to download and search every message in
any Yahoo Group. You can even browse groups while not connected to
the Internet (after you've downloaded them), which might be useful for
someone with ES. I just downloaded this software this evening, and have
already downloaded over half of the 16815 messages in "eSens". Probably
good to have such a backup in case Yahoo ever deletes the archive.

Marc

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Re: so many emails

charles-4
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If english people do not bother to look at my site, what is the use of
making another site ?
Many readers are very superficial, and expect that all answers are laid into
their mouth.

There are other british sites, where they have a lot of information and do
have large forums.
But the real information there is very scarce.
Must people are only complaining.
This forum is the only one in the worlf where solutions are discussed (as
far as I know).

If you see how much energy Marc already puts in just this forum, and how
quick he is in answering,

Who is going to maintain such a website ?
Who has the specific knowledge about the material ?
The important parts are in German. A language where many do have problems
with.

A lot of the visitors are quite new here, and do lack experience.
I advise first looking around and see what is already there, before wanting
to invent the wheel again.

The information you want will not be brought to your doorstep.
You have to undertake a lot yourself.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 2:16 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: so many emails


> We're being mentioned on the ES UK -site!
> http://www.es-uk.info/forums/thread.asp?threadID=103
>
> It is a better structured site yes. But there's not a lot of
> posts/activity going on there...
>
> Should we consider a hostile takeover? :)
>
> Stephen.
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "cris_aov" <cris_aov@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> <<<<<Would it be easier to have a site like this one where its all laid
>> out and easy
>>
>> to find the topics?
>>
>> http://www.es-uk.info/
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>>
>> I wish so much that this forum were like most other forums were they are
>> easy to navigate,read posts, and find info, I bet so many more people
>> would join in and be more educated on this subject.
>>
>> these yahoo forums are not user friendly and I bet it scares away many
>> people.
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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Ionic foot spa (Re: Electrical Sensitivity Remedy)

johnottawa80
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Hi Charles,
Do you have any knowledge of the Aqua Detox machine? (http://www.aquadetox-int.com/)
If you do, please share! Is it any good?
I've used it, but I'm not sure it did anything.
It has spiral metal electrodes which get dissolved when using them, so the colour of the water is always dark afterwards due to rust from the coils. What do you think of that?

Thanks,
John.


--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

>
> Hello Marc,
>
> I have found that there are quite some differances between several ionic
> foot spa types.
>
> The *IonCleanse* does its job quite well, as the UK made *Bio Energiser -
> Detox Foot Spa* hardly did its job.
>
> Many China made ionic spa's do have copper electrodes, where stainless steel
> plates are the best.
>
> It is also important that the display of the computer shows the amount of
> Amps.
> That is important, because only then one does know if the amount of salt is
> right.
> If the amount is too low, the detox is not right; if the amount is too high,
> the timespan of the electrodes goes down.
>
> If the bath is working properly, first there should be white foam visible,
> then orange, tyhen yellow-green, then green and then brown and dark brown.
> There are also black flecks.
> In total a thick darkbrown foamlike layer.
>
> Be aware that the normal tapwater contains also a lot of stuff, and makes
> the water colorize.
> In Denver, Colorado, the predominant water color is is ornage; in Phoenix,
> Arizona, orange-brown; in parts of texas, brown; in Boise, Idaho,
> yellow-green.
>
> I did test the machine with distilled water, added the necessary amount of
> salt, and after 30 minutes, the water colored slightly yellow.
> Then, with the feet in the water, all mentioned colors occurred.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marc Martin" <marc@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 5:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Electrical Sensitivity Remedy
>
>
> >> Marc,
> >> Did you do the foot baths every day and that is what made you so sick?
> >
> > No, I only did it about 4 times, every 2-3 days... it made me sick 24
> > hours after the very first footbath, and after 4 times I could see that
> > things were not getting any better.
> >
> > The person who was administering these was actually quite shocked at
> > how black the water was turning (heavy metals?). I think it was just
> > mobilizing far more heavy metals than my liver, kidneys, etc. could
> > deal with, causing more damage than good. For me, detox has to be
> > verrrrrrry slow, with lots of breaks and extra nutrition.
> >
> > The doctor I eventually started going to said that she'd seen quite a
> > few people trying to undo the damage of ionic footbaths, so she
> > refuses to use them as part of her practice.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
>

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Re: Ionic foot spa (Re: Electrical Sensitivity Remedy)

charles-4
Hello John,

we have compared that one woth our IonCleanse.

Where the IonCleanse produces a lot of dirt, the Aqua Detox produced only a
small amount.
And we tested woth distilled water, because then one can see what it does.
It is natural, that tapwater itsself already gives a lot of discoloration.

That is the reason for my question if anybody did have experience with the
Detox Foot Spa DT005B

from: http://www.detoxspamachine.com

which is not so expensive as the IonCleanse.

With these machines one can see on the digital display in Amps, if there is
sufficient salt in the water.
And stainless steel elektrodes are much better than copper ones.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton




----- Original Message -----
From: "johnottawa80" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:02 AM
Subject: [eSens] Ionic foot spa (Re: Electrical Sensitivity Remedy)


> Hi Charles,
> Do you have any knowledge of the Aqua Detox machine?
> (http://www.aquadetox-int.com/)
> If you do, please share! Is it any good?
> I've used it, but I'm not sure it did anything.
> It has spiral metal electrodes which get dissolved when using them, so the
> colour of the water is always dark afterwards due to rust from the coils.
> What do you think of that?
>
> Thanks,
> John.
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Marc,
>>
>> I have found that there are quite some differances between several ionic
>> foot spa types.
>>
>> The *IonCleanse* does its job quite well, as the UK made *Bio Energiser -
>> Detox Foot Spa* hardly did its job.
>>
>> Many China made ionic spa's do have copper electrodes, where stainless
>> steel
>> plates are the best.
>>
>> It is also important that the display of the computer shows the amount of
>> Amps.
>> That is important, because only then one does know if the amount of salt
>> is
>> right.
>> If the amount is too low, the detox is not right; if the amount is too
>> high,
>> the timespan of the electrodes goes down.
>>
>> If the bath is working properly, first there should be white foam
>> visible,
>> then orange, tyhen yellow-green, then green and then brown and dark
>> brown.
>> There are also black flecks.
>> In total a thick darkbrown foamlike layer.
>>
>> Be aware that the normal tapwater contains also a lot of stuff, and makes
>> the water colorize.
>> In Denver, Colorado, the predominant water color is is ornage; in
>> Phoenix,
>> Arizona, orange-brown; in parts of texas, brown; in Boise, Idaho,
>> yellow-green.
>>
>> I did test the machine with distilled water, added the necessary amount
>> of
>> salt, and after 30 minutes, the water colored slightly yellow.
>> Then, with the feet in the water, all mentioned colors occurred.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>> member Verband Baubiologie
>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>> www.milieuziektes.be
>> www.hetbitje.nl
>> checked by Norton
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marc Martin" <marc@...>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 5:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Electrical Sensitivity Remedy
>>
>>
>> >> Marc,
>> >> Did you do the foot baths every day and that is what made you so sick?
>> >
>> > No, I only did it about 4 times, every 2-3 days... it made me sick 24
>> > hours after the very first footbath, and after 4 times I could see that
>> > things were not getting any better.
>> >
>> > The person who was administering these was actually quite shocked at
>> > how black the water was turning (heavy metals?). I think it was just
>> > mobilizing far more heavy metals than my liver, kidneys, etc. could
>> > deal with, causing more damage than good. For me, detox has to be
>> > verrrrrrry slow, with lots of breaks and extra nutrition.
>> >
>> > The doctor I eventually started going to said that she'd seen quite a
>> > few people trying to undo the damage of ionic footbaths, so she
>> > refuses to use them as part of her practice.
>> >
>> > Marc
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Gulf War syndrome, Microwave weapons, ES

Christina Steils
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Soldiers being forced to have injections, immune system taking a hit, then going into the field with high powered radios and radar equipment. 
And now microwave weapons ummm! Let us think about this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome

http://www.viewzone.com/microwave.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/v-mads.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

http://www.ei-resource.org/illness-information/environmental-illnesses/gulf-war-syndrome/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UpLuXFXJCc&feature=related


     

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Re: so many emails

stephen_vandevijvere
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Regards the searching messages,

As I mentioned a copple of days ago, it is quite easy with the advanced search-function at google. There are 2 ways:

1.
> google.com
> fill in the word you're looking for + site:health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/

2.
google.com
> click "advanced search"
> fill in the word you're looking for +
"search within a site":
health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/


Stephen.



--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

>
> > Dear Marc Someone like yourself could give so much more help to others
> > on this site as well.
>
> Like I said before, I'm stretched too thin -- if I spend all of my time
> "working" and no time relaxing, then I'm not going to stay healthy
> myself! But certainly anyone else can step up and do some of what is
> being suggested.
>
> If it's just the broken Yahoo search (which really is only broken for
> searching messages posted within the last year), I'm sure we can find a
> workaround for that. For example, there is a piece of shareware called
> "PG Offline" which you can use to download and search every message in
> any Yahoo Group. You can even browse groups while not connected to
> the Internet (after you've downloaded them), which might be useful for
> someone with ES. I just downloaded this software this evening, and have
> already downloaded over half of the 16815 messages in "eSens". Probably
> good to have such a backup in case Yahoo ever deletes the archive.
>
> Marc
>

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