Electrical Sensitivity & Psychic Experiences

Hello,

I've begun a blog for Psychology Today called "Feeling Too Much," which focuses on extraordinarily sensitive people.  The first series of articles is about apparitional perceptions and what kind of person is most likely to experience them:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/feeling-too-much/201110/do-some-people-sense-the-unseen-part-1

Electrical sensitivity is mentioned and will be addressed more in one of the two articles to follow.

I aim to use this blog to educate people further on the legitimate mind-body basis of anomalous perception, and the connection between strong emotion, ES and other environmental sensitivities (allergies, migraine, chronic pain and fatigue, PTSD, etc.), and psi experiences.

Please let me know if you have any reaction, and feel free to make folks aware if you wish.

Thanks,
Michael Jawer

I have been ES for 12 yrs or so, a few years ago I would regularly get  
starnge visions, basically I would awake from a dream, still in a relaxed
sleepy  state and would get a vision of water forming they a scene which played
out in  real time as if I were remote veiwing something - I no longer get
this and dont  sleep well at all.
 
Puk
 
 
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Hello,

I've begun a blog for Psychology Today called "Feeling Too  Much," which
focuses on extraordinarily sensitive people. The first series of  articles is
about apparitional perceptions and what kind of person is most  likely to
experience them:

_http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/feeling-too-much/201110/do-some-people-
sense-the-unseen-part-1_
(http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/feeling-too-much/201110/do-some-people-sense-the-unseen-part-1)

Electrical  sensitivity is mentioned and will be addressed more in one of
the two articles  to follow.

I aim to use this blog to educate people further on the  legitimate
mind-body basis of anomalous perception, and the connection between  strong
emotion, ES and other environmental sensitivities (allergies, migraine,  chronic
pain and fatigue, PTSD, etc.), and psi experiences.

Please let  me know if you have any reaction, and feel free to make folks
aware if you  wish.

Thanks,
Michael Jawer






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Hi, Michael,



Do you yourself have EMF sensitivity?  If not, are you aware of the recent NIH study done on a doctor who has it?  The study shows it is not apparitional at all, but that the body itself is physically responding to frequencies.  You can read that here:

 
http://electromagnetichealth.org/electromagnetic-health-blog/ehs-paper/
There is also a longer length PDF which can be accessed at the end of that article.

While there certainly are emotional or psychiatric issues involved in electromagnetic sensitivity, the condition does not begin with them.  Psychiatric symptoms exist with all illnesses.  Diabetics suffer from diet anxieties, as do celiacs, or from fear of dying in their sleep due to keto-acidosis, for instance.  And any doctor worth his/her salt will tell you that any person who has had a chronic disease for more than 6 months and yet doesn't have periods of depression (due to grief over the loss of their former life), is an abnormal person. 

While there is an emotional component to ES--similar to the amygdala reactions of a person with post-traumatic stress--there is also a physical reaction actually accompanying it.  The idea that you can write about one while ignoring the other reminds
 me of a doctor I met who thought one had to be schizophrenic to have celiac disease, because there was an article about schizophrenics with celiac disease in a medical journal he read.  While the article was correct--schizophrenics are statistically more likely to have celiac disease than the normal population--schizophrenics clearly make up only a small minority of the total pool of people with celiac disease; a point that this doctor obviously missed during his read.

While the study of the psychology involved with electromagnetic sensitivity might be quite fascinating, you would find it isn't a whole lot different than the psychology found in many other illnesses, especially Multiple Chemical Sensitivity or Environmental Intolerance or MastoCytosis.  All of these diseases have commonalities, which include having to avoid un-natural substances which are ubiquitous in our modern day life.  I obviously could/ would tell you much more if I trusted that you would write the
 article from a perspective of these illnesses having both a physical and a psychological component and not give us a hatchet job, but frankly all of us here (including those with MCS, EI, and MC) are sick of people playing psychiatrist with us at our own expense.  That we all have legitimate illness, (which can be seen if only in the methods of treatment that many of us who have vastly improved used), seems to be often overlooked by mainstream medicine.  And, btw, this is true of the other illnesses you would like to lump with us, too--MCS, EI, MC, CFS, FMS, Dysautonomia......

Diane



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Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 12:05 PM
Subject: [eSens] Electrical Sensitivity & Psychic Experiences

Hello,

I've begun a blog for Psychology Today called "Feeling Too Much," which focuses on extraordinarily sensitive people.  The first series of articles is about apparitional perceptions and what kind of person is most likely to experience them:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/feeling-too-much/201110/do-some-people-sense-the-unseen-part-1

Electrical sensitivity is mentioned and will be addressed more in one of the two articles to follow.

I aim to use this blog to educate people further on the legitimate mind-body basis of anomalous perception, and the connection between strong emotion, ES and other environmental sensitivities (allergies, migraine, chronic pain and fatigue, PTSD, etc.), and psi experiences.

Please let me know if you have any reaction, and feel free to make folks aware if you wish.

Thanks,
Michael Jawer




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PS, Michael,

I responded to your post due to your writing that your articles are going to talk about a "mind-body" connection to ES and the other illnesses you will include.  "Mind-body" connection is code for saying the mind makes the body feel particular "apparitional" symptoms.  Psychology is always in play, regardless of any illness one has, just as it is also the case that writers who write about particular subjects have a particular psychology behind their reason to write any given article.  What I am pointing out here is your article starts out from a bias that ES is "apparitional", rather than concentrating on the fact that there is a psychological message with ES and the other "apparitional" illnesses you *think* you know about.  The psychology behind ES is very interesting, but not because ES is totally a "mind-body" illness.  It is not.  To do less than point that out would highlight *you* as having a psychological bias in your writing.  The real
 story here is not that these illnesses exist as "mind-body" reactions, the real story here is how do people with these illnesses NOT have post-traumatic reactions, given what they live with everyday. 


Diane



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Hi, Michael,



Do you yourself have EMF sensitivity?  If not, are you aware of the recent NIH study done on a doctor who has it?  The study shows it is not apparitional at all, but that the body itself is physically responding to frequencies.  You can read that here:


http://electromagnetichealth.org/electromagnetic-health-blog/ehs-paper/
There is also a longer length PDF which can be accessed at the end of that article.

While there certainly are emotional or psychiatric issues involved in electromagnetic sensitivity, the condition does not begin with them.  Psychiatric symptoms exist with all illnesses.  Diabetics suffer from diet anxieties, as do celiacs, or from fear of dying in their sleep due to keto-acidosis, for instance.  And any doctor worth his/her salt will tell you that any person who has had a chronic disease for more than 6 months and yet doesn't have periods of depression (due to grief over the loss of their former life), is an abnormal person. 

While there is an emotional component to ES--similar to the amygdala reactions of a person with post-traumatic stress--there is also a physical reaction actually accompanying it.  The idea that you can write about one while ignoring the other reminds
me of a doctor I met who thought one had to be schizophrenic to have celiac disease, because there was an article about schizophrenics with celiac disease in a medical journal he read.  While the article was correct--schizophrenics are statistically more likely to have celiac disease than the normal population--schizophrenics clearly make up only a small minority of the total pool of people with celiac disease; a point that this doctor obviously missed during his read.

While the study of the psychology involved with electromagnetic sensitivity might be quite fascinating, you would find it isn't a whole lot different than the psychology found in many other illnesses, especially Multiple Chemical Sensitivity or Environmental Intolerance or MastoCytosis.  All of these diseases have commonalities, which include having to avoid un-natural substances which are ubiquitous in our modern day life.  I obviously could/ would tell you much more if I trusted that you would write the
article from a perspective of these illnesses having both a physical and a psychological component and not give us a hatchet job, but frankly all of us here (including those with MCS, EI, and MC) are sick of people playing psychiatrist with us at our own expense.  That we all have legitimate illness, (which can be seen if only in the methods of treatment that many of us who have vastly improved used), seems to be often overlooked by mainstream medicine.  And, btw, this is true of the other illnesses you would like to lump with us, too--MCS, EI, MC, CFS, FMS, Dysautonomia......

Diane



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Subject: [eSens] Electrical Sensitivity & Psychic Experiences

Hello,

I've begun a blog for Psychology Today called "Feeling Too Much," which focuses on extraordinarily sensitive people.  The first series of articles is about apparitional perceptions and what kind of person is most likely to experience them:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/feeling-too-much/201110/do-some-people-sense-the-unseen-part-1

Electrical sensitivity is mentioned and will be addressed more in one of the two articles to follow.

I aim to use this blog to educate people further on the legitimate mind-body basis of anomalous perception, and the connection between strong emotion, ES and other environmental sensitivities (allergies, migraine, chronic pain and fatigue, PTSD, etc.), and psi experiences.

Please let me know if you have any reaction, and feel free to make folks aware if you wish.

Thanks,
Michael Jawer




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You make excellent points Diane.
 
The truth IS coming out. In every area, every facet, on every issue! It might just seem to be trickling in now- but
Be open minded, and know- especially those who are suffering the most...that change is happening and is non-
stoppable. The truth and full disclosure are full of a better life for all of us. And even though right at this very second,
it only looks like a few people have had their analog meters returned, the flood gates are about to open WIDE!
Fill your hearts with JOY. Send this energy around the globe.
It is this energy that serves to fuel the mass awakenings that are happening, on a global scale.
 You know that "doubting thomas" voice, that seeks to shut down the happy visions or fantasies
we have? Hold strong to those dreams. Hold them with every thing you've got.
Picture yourself where you want to be. And tell the "doubting thomas" Its YOUR dream...
and you can think/dream whatever YOU WANT! Whenever you want, and as many times
as you want. Hold that dream in your head. Picture it magnifying to all people.
Even if you are only able to do this for a minute before the doubting thomas tries to squash it
its a victory. And every time you do this, that vision, that dream will get bigger. And the energy
from that joyous vision will be felt, all around the world. That, my friends, is what is fueling the
positive changes we are seeing.
Lizzie
 
 

 



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PS, Michael,

I responded to your post due to your writing that your articles are going to talk about a "mind-body" connection to ES and the other illnesses you will include.  "Mind-body" connection is code for saying the mind makes the body feel particular "apparitional" symptoms.  Psychology is always in play, regardless of any illness one has, just as it is also the case that writers who write about particular subjects have a particular psychology behind their reason to write any given article.  What I am pointing out here is your article starts out from a bias that ES is "apparitional", rather than concentrating on the fact that there is a psychological message with ES and the other "apparitional" illnesses you *think* you know about.  The psychology behind ES is very interesting, but not because ES is totally a "mind-body" illness.  It is not.  To do less than point that out would highlight *you* as having a psychological bias in your writing.  The real
story here is not that these illnesses exist as "mind-body" reactions, the real story here is how do people with these illnesses NOT have post-traumatic reactions, given what they live with everyday.  

Diane

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From: Evie <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Electrical Sensitivity & Psychic Experiences

Hi, Michael,

Do you yourself have EMF sensitivity?  If not, are you aware of the recent NIH study done on a doctor who has it?  The study shows it is not apparitional at all, but that the body itself is physically responding to frequencies.  You can read that here:

http://electromagnetichealth.org/electromagnetic-health-blog/ehs-paper/
There is also a longer length PDF which can be accessed at the end of that article.

While there certainly are emotional or psychiatric issues involved in electromagnetic sensitivity, the condition does not begin with them.  Psychiatric symptoms exist with all illnesses.  Diabetics suffer from diet anxieties, as do celiacs, or from fear of dying in their sleep due to keto-acidosis, for instance.  And any doctor worth his/her salt will tell you that any person who has had a chronic disease for more than 6 months and yet doesn't have periods of depression (due to grief over the loss of their former life), is an abnormal person.  

While there is an emotional component to ES--similar to the amygdala reactions of a person with post-traumatic stress--there is also a physical reaction actually accompanying it.  The idea that you can write about one while ignoring the other reminds
me of a doctor I met who thought one had to be schizophrenic to have celiac disease, because there was an article about schizophrenics with celiac disease in a medical journal he read.  While the article was correct--schizophrenics are statistically more likely to have celiac disease than the normal population--schizophrenics clearly make up only a small minority of the total pool of people with celiac disease; a point that this doctor obviously missed during his read.

While the study of the psychology involved with electromagnetic sensitivity might be quite fascinating, you would find it isn't a whole lot different than the psychology found in many other illnesses, especially Multiple Chemical Sensitivity or Environmental Intolerance or MastoCytosis.  All of these diseases have commonalities, which include having to avoid un-natural substances which are ubiquitous in our modern day life.  I obviously could/ would tell you much more if I trusted that you would write the
article from a perspective of these illnesses having both a physical and a psychological component and not give us a hatchet job, but frankly all of us here (including those with MCS, EI, and MC) are sick of people playing psychiatrist with us at our own expense.  That we all have legitimate illness, (which can be seen if only in the methods of treatment that many of us who have vastly improved used), seems to be often overlooked by mainstream medicine.  And, btw, this is true of the other illnesses you would like to lump with us, too--MCS, EI, MC, CFS, FMS, Dysautonomia......

Diane

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Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 12:05 PM
Subject: [eSens] Electrical Sensitivity & Psychic Experiences

Hello,

I've begun a blog for Psychology Today called "Feeling Too Much," which focuses on extraordinarily sensitive people.  The first series of articles is about apparitional perceptions and what kind of person is most likely to experience them:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/feeling-too-much/201110/do-some-people-sense-the-unseen-part-1

Electrical sensitivity is mentioned and will be addressed more in one of the two articles to follow.

I aim to use this blog to educate people further on the legitimate mind-body basis of anomalous perception, and the connection between strong emotion, ES and other environmental sensitivities (allergies, migraine, chronic pain and fatigue, PTSD, etc.), and psi experiences.

Please let me know if you have any reaction, and feel free to make folks aware if you wish.

Thanks,
Michael Jawer

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Thanks Diane! Well said! Love it. Loni

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Hi, Michael,

Do you yourself have EMF sensitivity?  If not, are you aware of the recent NIH study done on a doctor who has it?  The study shows it is not apparitional at all, but that the body itself is physically responding to frequencies.  You can read that here:

http://electromagnetichealth.org/electromagnetic-health-blog/ehs-paper/
There is also a longer length PDF which can be accessed at the end of that article.

While there certainly are emotional or psychiatric issues involved in electromagnetic sensitivity, the condition does not begin with them.  Psychiatric symptoms exist with all illnesses.  Diabetics suffer from diet anxieties, as do celiacs, or from fear of dying in their sleep due to keto-acidosis, for instance.  And any doctor worth his/her salt will tell you that any person who has had a chronic disease for more than 6 months and yet doesn't have periods of depression (due to grief over the loss of their former life), is an abnormal person. 

While there is an emotional component to ES--similar to the amygdala reactions of a person with post-traumatic stress--there is also a physical reaction actually accompanying it.  The idea that you can write about one while ignoring the other reminds
me of a doctor I met who thought one had to be schizophrenic to have celiac disease, because there was an article about schizophrenics with celiac disease in a medical journal he read.  While the article was correct--schizophrenics are statistically more likely to have celiac disease than the normal population--schizophrenics clearly make up only a small minority of the total pool of people with celiac disease; a point that this doctor obviously missed during his read.

While the study of the psychology involved with electromagnetic sensitivity might be quite fascinating, you would find it isn't a whole lot different than the psychology found in many other illnesses, especially Multiple Chemical Sensitivity or Environmental Intolerance or MastoCytosis.  All of these diseases have commonalities, which include having to avoid un-natural substances which are ubiquitous in our modern day life.  I obviously could/ would tell you much more if I trusted that you would write the
article from a perspective of these illnesses having both a physical and a psychological component and not give us a hatchet job, but frankly all of us here (including those with MCS, EI, and MC) are sick of people playing psychiatrist with us at our own expense.  That we all have legitimate illness, (which can be seen if only in the methods of treatment that many of us who have vastly improved used), seems to be often overlooked by mainstream medicine.  And, btw, this is true of the other illnesses you would like to lump with us, too--MCS, EI, MC, CFS, FMS, Dysautonomia......

Diane

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From: mjawer2001 <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 12:05 PM
Subject: [eSens] Electrical Sensitivity & Psychic Experiences

Hello,

I've begun a blog for Psychology Today called "Feeling Too Much," which focuses on extraordinarily sensitive people.  The first series of articles is about apparitional perceptions and what kind of person is most likely to experience them:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/feeling-too-much/201110/do-some-people-sense-the-unseen-part-1

Electrical sensitivity is mentioned and will be addressed more in one of the two articles to follow.

I aim to use this blog to educate people further on the legitimate mind-body basis of anomalous perception, and the connection between strong emotion, ES and other environmental sensitivities (allergies, migraine, chronic pain and fatigue, PTSD, etc.), and psi experiences.

Please let me know if you have any reaction, and feel free to make folks aware if you wish.

Thanks,
Michael Jawer

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I can to tell you that I am sick as a dog here surrounded by electrical but when I go up north camping my skin doesn't burn and I am fine.
 
It is not psychological whatsoever.  Loni

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PS, Michael,

I responded to your post due to your writing that your articles are going to talk about a "mind-body" connection to ES and the other illnesses you will include.  "Mind-body" connection is code for saying the mind makes the body feel particular "apparitional" symptoms.  Psychology is always in play, regardless of any illness one has, just as it is also the case that writers who write about particular subjects have a particular psychology behind their reason to write any given article.  What I am pointing out here is your article starts out from a bias that ES is "apparitional", rather than concentrating on the fact that there is a psychological message with ES and the other "apparitional" illnesses you *think* you know about.  The psychology behind ES is very interesting, but not because ES is totally a "mind-body" illness.  It is not.  To do less than point that out would highlight *you* as having a psychological bias in your writing.  The real
story here is not that these illnesses exist as "mind-body" reactions, the real story here is how do people with these illnesses NOT have post-traumatic reactions, given what they live with everyday. 

Diane

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From: Evie <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Electrical Sensitivity & Psychic Experiences

Hi, Michael,

Do you yourself have EMF sensitivity?  If not, are you aware of the recent NIH study done on a doctor who has it?  The study shows it is not apparitional at all, but that the body itself is physically responding to frequencies.  You can read that here:

http://electromagnetichealth.org/electromagnetic-health-blog/ehs-paper/
There is also a longer length PDF which can be accessed at the end of that article.

While there certainly are emotional or psychiatric issues involved in electromagnetic sensitivity, the condition does not begin with them.  Psychiatric symptoms exist with all illnesses.  Diabetics suffer from diet anxieties, as do celiacs, or from fear of dying in their sleep due to keto-acidosis, for instance.  And any doctor worth his/her salt will tell you that any person who has had a chronic disease for more than 6 months and yet doesn't have periods of depression (due to grief over the loss of their former life), is an abnormal person. 

While there is an emotional component to ES--similar to the amygdala reactions of a person with post-traumatic stress--there is also a physical reaction actually accompanying it.  The idea that you can write about one while ignoring the other reminds
me of a doctor I met who thought one had to be schizophrenic to have celiac disease, because there was an article about schizophrenics with celiac disease in a medical journal he read.  While the article was correct--schizophrenics are statistically more likely to have celiac disease than the normal population--schizophrenics clearly make up only a small minority of the total pool of people with celiac disease; a point that this doctor obviously missed during his read.

While the study of the psychology involved with electromagnetic sensitivity might be quite fascinating, you would find it isn't a whole lot different than the psychology found in many other illnesses, especially Multiple Chemical Sensitivity or Environmental Intolerance or MastoCytosis.  All of these diseases have commonalities, which include having to avoid un-natural substances which are ubiquitous in our modern day life.  I obviously could/ would tell you much more if I trusted that you would write the
article from a perspective of these illnesses having both a physical and a psychological component and not give us a hatchet job, but frankly all of us here (including those with MCS, EI, and MC) are sick of people playing psychiatrist with us at our own expense.  That we all have legitimate illness, (which can be seen if only in the methods of treatment that many of us who have vastly improved used), seems to be often overlooked by mainstream medicine.  And, btw, this is true of the other illnesses you would like to lump with us, too--MCS, EI, MC, CFS, FMS, Dysautonomia......

Diane

________________________________
From: mjawer2001 <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 12:05 PM
Subject: [eSens] Electrical Sensitivity & Psychic Experiences

Hello,

I've begun a blog for Psychology Today called "Feeling Too Much," which focuses on extraordinarily sensitive people.  The first series of articles is about apparitional perceptions and what kind of person is most likely to experience them:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/feeling-too-much/201110/do-some-people-sense-the-unseen-part-1

Electrical sensitivity is mentioned and will be addressed more in one of the two articles to follow.

I aim to use this blog to educate people further on the legitimate mind-body basis of anomalous perception, and the connection between strong emotion, ES and other environmental sensitivities (allergies, migraine, chronic pain and fatigue, PTSD, etc.), and psi experiences.

Please let me know if you have any reaction, and feel free to make folks aware if you wish.

Thanks,
Michael Jawer

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Loni wrote:
> I can to tell you that I am sick as a dog here surrounded by electrical but when I go up north camping my skin doesn't burn and I am fine.
>  
>  
Horray! You found a quiet place. Very good to hear.


> It is not psychological whatsoever.  Loni
>
>  
Well said.

Stewart

Yes but it is way too cold for me up there now and it is only a matter of time til 4G LTE is there. I had to come home because it is snowing now. It was nice for a short time. Loni

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Loni wrote:
> I can to tell you that I am sick as a dog here surrounded by electrical but when I go up north camping my skin doesn't burn and I am fine.
>
>
Horray! You found a quiet place. Very good to hear.

> It is not psychological whatsoever. Loni
>
>
Well said.

Stewart








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Loni,

I know it's awful where you are. It must have felt wonderful the burning to go away.

Diane, you said it very well. Most of us wonder if there's an underlying medical issue this is making worse. How could we just have ES & or MCS? My doc. has been looking for things wrong, & so far comes up w nothing.
I saw a psychiatrist who actually thought I was having disillusions. I wanted to know how my mind would only make up weird skin sensations & leave the rest of my reasoning alone? They couldn't answer that. I finally stopped going. I told them they would have more patients like me, unless our country would come to their senses w wireless.

No one needs to pack a hand held computer. Too bad technology had to take a phone this far.

I remember just a year & 1/2 ago I was okay. If I can come close to what I had, I'll be elated. Many of us just can't tolerate the wireless that's in the air now. Our illness has nothing to do w our emotions. We become emotional dealing w ES.

Please read the study Michael that the doctor kindly volunteered for.

Kathy
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      I can to tell you that I am sick as a dog here surrounded by electrical but when I go up north camping my skin doesn't burn and I am fine.

 

It is not psychological whatsoever.  Loni



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PS, Michael,.  The psychology behind ES is very interesting, but not because ES is totally a "mind-body" illness.  It is not.  To do less than point that out would highlight *you* as having a psychological bias in your writing.  The real

story here is not that these illnesses exist as "mind-body" reactions, the real story here is how do people with these illnesses NOT have post-traumatic reactions, given what they live with everyday. 



Diane



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Hi, Michael,



Do you yourself have EMF sensitivity?  If not, are you aware of the recent NIH study done on a doctor who has it?  The study shows it is not apparitional at all, but that the body itself is physically responding to frequencies.  You can read that here:



http://electromagnetichealth.org/electromagnetic-health-blog/ehs-paper/

There is also a longer length PDF which can be accessed at the end of that article.



While there certainly are emotional or psychiatric issues involved in electromagnetic sensitivity, the condition does not begin with them.  Psychiatric symptoms exist with all illnesses.

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Ah, winter comes.
It is still positive that you found a substantial proof of cause and effect.
Hopefully your exciting news that you again confirmed how to get rid of
the symptoms, will be thought provoking for your family.

Stewart


Loni wrote:
> Yes but it is way too cold for me up there now and it is only a matter of time til 4G LTE is there. I had to come home because it is snowing now. It was nice for a short time. Loni
>  

good luck to any phychologist who can talk an Esser out of their condition,
 either they were delusional or manic or worse they will crash back into ES
even  harder than before - Mind over matter is quite natural, but
endurance,tolerance,  stiff upper lip, courage over fear, are basic human traits
engaged  when we have to deal with threats, so we can use our minds to endure
and cope  with the  very real effects of emr as indeed most essers do every
day  and night, but it is merely a tolerance to an ongoing harm, a war zone, a
 marathon with a stone in your shoe. That said Just cos someone has ES  
does not guarantee that they do not have phyche issues in other ways, real  
esserss will have to have a good mental constitution to keep going, that is  
true testament to their mental strength - There are those who make a fuss  for
a while about ES then claim that they are getting better by questioning the
 psychology, that for them is as an epiphany and as high inducing as the
former  affliction they often join a new group when the novelty wears off, it
is  easy to sniff these persons out, they unfortunately give true ES
burdened  people a bad name, playing into the hands of the phychology community who
after  all are always looking for a new revenue stream to tap into !!
 
You cannot take the psychology out of the esser but if you can take the ES  
out of the esser then you will have a human that is as dysfunctional as the
rest  of the population. If we call es an illness then it is not any
different  regarding the psychological effects that couple up and confound all
other  illnesses in individuals - we as essers should shun those who seek to
bring  our condition down to a demeanor of mental illness, they would have you
locked  up and throw away the key to line their own deceitful pockets. !!!
 
PUK
 
 
In a message dated 04/11/2011 21:04:27 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email]  
writes:
 
Electrical sensitivity is mentioned and will be addressed more in  one of
> the two articles to follow.
>
> I aim to use this  blog to educate people further on the legitimate
> mind-body basis of  anomalous perception, and the connection between
strong
> emotion, ES  and other environmental sensitivities (allergies, migraine,
> chronic  pain and fatigue, PTSD, etc.), and psi  experiences


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Diane - that's what I wanted to say but I am a little fogged to be so  
coherant, many thanks - Mostly the kind of person who starts talking about the  
phychological origins of ES and throws into the argument,, well we can worry
 about everything are just Numty lemmimgs and often selfish to the core to
say  the least
 
puk
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 04/11/2011 20:51:48 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email]
 writes:

 
 
 
Thanks Diane! Well said! Love it. Loni

--- On Fri, 11/4/11, Evie  <_evie15422@yahoo.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) >  wrote:

From: Evie <_evie15422@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
Subject:  Re: [eSens] Electrical Sensitivity & Psychic Experiences
To: "_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) "
<_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
Date:  Friday, November 4, 2011, 7:34 AM



Hi, Michael,

Do  you yourself have EMF sensitivity?  If not, are you aware of the recent
 NIH study done on a doctor who has it?  The study shows it is not  
apparitional at all, but that the body itself is physically responding to  
frequencies.  You can read that here:

_http://electromagnetichealth.org/electromagnetic-health-blog/ehs-paper/_
(http://electromagnetichealth.org/electromagnetic-health-blog/ehs-paper/)
There  is also a longer length PDF which can be accessed at the end of that
 article.

While there certainly are emotional or psychiatric issues  involved in
electromagnetic sensitivity, the condition does not begin with  them.  
Psychiatric symptoms exist with all illnesses.  Diabetics  suffer from diet
anxieties, as do celiacs, or from fear of dying in their  sleep due to keto-acidosis,
for instance.  And any doctor worth his/her  salt will tell you that any
person who has had a chronic disease for more than  6 months and yet doesn't
have periods of depression (due to grief over the  loss of their former
life), is an abnormal person.  

While there  is an emotional component to ES--similar to the amygdala
reactions of a person  with post-traumatic stress--there is also a physical
reaction actually  accompanying it.  The idea that you can write about one while
ignoring  the other reminds
me of a doctor I met who thought one had to be  schizophrenic to have
celiac disease, because there was an article about  schizophrenics with celiac
disease in a medical journal he read.  While  the article was
correct--schizophrenics are statistically more likely to have  celiac disease than the
normal population--schizophrenics clearly make up only  a small minority of the
total pool of people with celiac disease; a point that  this doctor obviously
missed during his read.

While the study of the  psychology involved with electromagnetic
sensitivity might be quite  fascinating, you would find it isn't a whole lot different
than the psychology  found in many other illnesses, especially Multiple
Chemical Sensitivity or  Environmental Intolerance or MastoCytosis.  All of
these diseases have  commonalities, which include having to avoid un-natural
substances which are  ubiquitous in our modern day life.  I obviously could/
would tell you  much more if I trusted that you would write the
article from a perspective  of these illnesses having both a physical and a
psychological component and  not give us a hatchet job, but frankly all of
us here (including those with  MCS, EI, and MC) are sick of people playing
psychiatrist with us at our own  expense.  That we all have legitimate
illness, (which can be seen if only  in the methods of treatment that many of us
who have vastly improved used),  seems to be often overlooked by mainstream
medicine.  And, btw, this is  true of the other illnesses you would like to
lump with us, too--MCS, EI, MC,  CFS, FMS,  Dysautonomia......

Diane

________________________________
From:  mjawer2001 <_mjawer2001@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Sent:  Thursday, November 3, 2011 12:05 PM
Subject: [eSens] Electrical Sensitivity  & Psychic Experiences

Hello,

I've begun a blog for  Psychology Today called "Feeling Too Much," which
focuses on extraordinarily  sensitive people.  The first series of articles is
about apparitional  perceptions and what kind of person is most likely to
experience  them:

_http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/feeling-too-much/201110/do-some-people-
sense-the-unseen-part-1_
(http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/feeling-too-much/201110/do-some-people-sense-the-unseen-part-1)

Electrical  sensitivity is mentioned and will be addressed more in one of
the two articles  to follow.

I aim to use this blog to educate people further on the  legitimate
mind-body basis of anomalous perception, and the connection between  strong
emotion, ES and other environmental sensitivities (allergies, migraine,  chronic
pain and fatigue, PTSD, etc.), and psi experiences.

Please let  me know if you have any reaction, and feel free to make folks
aware if you  wish.

Thanks,
Michael  Jawer

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yes it certainly is proof! LOni

--- On Fri, 11/4/11, S Andreason <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: S Andreason <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Electrical Sensitivity & Psychic Experiences
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, November 4, 2011, 6:06 PM



 



Ah, winter comes.
It is still positive that you found a substantial proof of cause and effect.
Hopefully your exciting news that you again confirmed how to get rid of
the symptoms, will be thought provoking for your family.

Stewart

Loni wrote:
> Yes but it is way too cold for me up there now and it is only a matter of time til 4G LTE is there. I had to come home because it is snowing now. It was nice for a short time. Loni
>








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Here's a rant for ya,

I have put up with the mainstream medical establishment trying to pin psychological diaganosis on me all my life for anything they don't understand.  First I complained of digestive troubles.  Every mainstream doctor said it was stress and to see a therapist.  Turned out to be massive parasites and Celiac Disease, later diagnosed by a Naturopath in the first and second appointment!!  I should sued for incomopetance.  Except that it is almost impossible to sue doctors for malpractice even if they cut off the wrong leg. 

Then I had to put up with the same crap when I had systemic yeast.  They said it was all ll in my head, until it was diagnosed by a Naturopath.  Mainstream medicine did not even believe in yeast infections until AIDS patients prooved them wrong.  Then I had to put up with the same crap when I became MCS.  They said it was all in my head that I reacted to chemicals.  Remember when they used to say that Chronic Fatique Syndrome was in people's heads?  It took two decades of people complaining about CFS and Fibromyalgia and years of research by devoted alternative doctors to finally give both conditions validity.  If left to mainstream medicine, they would still be making fun of CFS and MCS people, calling them nuts.

Now just because they don't understand Electrical Sensitivity, they are making fun of the people who have it, trying to invalidate us or call us nuts.  I gave up on mainstream medicine and psychologists a long time ago.  They have not done a thing to help me.  I have been saved by Naturopaths, Herbs, Alternative Medicine, the internet , my own research, and taking control of my own health.  As far as I am concerned, Mainstream medicine is largely a way for  Big Pharma to push their drugs.

Don't buy into it.  You know when something is wrong with you.  We have plenty of doctors and scientists in our camp that have described what is going on, and it is just going to take time for the illness to gain mainstream validity like MCS and FMS did. 

C. Johnson
Superdrove



--- On Sat, 11/5/11, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Electrical Sensitivity & Psychic Experiences
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, November 5, 2011, 11:01 AM








 



 


   
     
     
      Diane - that's what I wanted to say but I am a little fogged to be so  

coherant, many thanks - Mostly the kind of person who starts talking about the  

phychological origins of ES and throws into the argument,, well we can worry

 about everything are just Numty lemmimgs and often selfish to the core to

say  the least

 

puk

 

 










 





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   I don't know how much difference this would make to those whom do not believe MCS and EHS are real in the States, but it may make a difference given how cosy our Prime Minister is with your president.......

    In Canada MCS and and EHS is officially recognized as disabilities and is even on the website of the Canadan Human Rights Commission. They are both called Environmental Illnesses

Canadian Human Rights Commission
Like others with a disability, those with environmental sensitivities are required by law to be accommodated.
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx


For further information on environmental sensitivities, click on the following Commission publications:
The Medical Perspective on Environmental Sensitivities
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/envsensitivity_en.pdf
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx


Accommodation for Environmental Sensitivities: Legal Perspective
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/legal_sensitivity_en.pdf
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx

References:  http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page14-eng.aspx

Overview
Introduction; What are "environmental sensitivities"?; Summary
Guidelines for the optimization of the indoor environment and accommodation of people with environmental sensitivities are presented, and the costs and benefits of protective measures are discussed. For those interested in the original scientific and technical literature, an annotated bibliography is available on request from [hidden email].
Table 1: Names used for aspects of environmental sensitivities and commonly overlapping conditions2,3*
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page2-eng.aspx

The Human Rights Tribunal of Ontario
The Human Rights Tribunal of Ontario is where all human rights applications are filed. If you want to file an application on your own and do not need legal help, you can file directly at the Tribunal. Go to www.hrto.ca or call the Tribunal at 1-866-598-0322 (1-416-326-1312). The Tribunal has a guide to help you complete your application available to you on their web site.
If you think you might want to file a human rights application, it will help you to take a look at the application form to see what kinds of questions you will have to answer to complete the form. If you want advice or assistance from the Human Rights Legal Support Centre in completing a human rights application form, you should read the form before you phone the Centre. You can find a copy of the application form on the web site of the Human Rights Tribunal at: www.hrto.ca/NEW/application/newappforms.asp, or call the Tribunal at 1-866-598-0322 (1-416-326-1312).
http://www.hrto.ca/

Human Rights Legal Support Centre
The new Human Rights Legal Support Centre offers human rights legal services to individuals throughout Ontario who believe they have experienced discrimination.  The Centre's services range from legal assistance in filing an application at the Tribunal to legal representation on human rights applications.
http://www.hrlsc.on.ca/en/index.htm

Ontario Human Rights Commission's Policy and Guidelines on Disability and the Duty to Accommodate
http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/Policies/PolicyDisAccom2/pdf

   Though the provincial Human Rights Commissions leave a lot to be desired sometimes , the Canadian Human Rights Commission [CHRC] [Federal] is wonderfully well informed.
  A few months ago I had problems with an insurance company refusing to use products that were safe or safer for those with MCS - however when I phoned the Canadian HRC they said I had a case for discrimination  and to phone the Ontario Human Rigbts Legal Support office. The lady there laughed and said that insurance companies did not need to accommodate anyone........... So I suggested to her that she read up on both the Medical and the Legal pdf files for MCS on the website for the Canadian Human Rights Commission [CHRC] and she backed down. But if I had not phoned the CHRC first then I would have believed her.

       blessings
             Shn







--- In [hidden email], "C.a.b. Johnson" <superdrove@...> wrote:

Shan,

Very good information and links. Canada is way ahead of the U.S. in that regard.  And Canadians are also lucky to have Andrew Michrowski, who figures prominently in campaigning for the ES community.  

Problem with the U.S. is that our governement has been corrupted by too many special interests,corporations, and greed so that the system is rigged and people have very little say.  Prime example, the U.S. Medical System is broken because the Insuance Compaines, American Medical Association and doctors have a strangle hold on the maintaining the status quo so that it cannot change because they want to keep their huge payouts coming with very little accountability.  IMHO.

Thanks for the detailed information on Canada.

C. Johnson
Superdrove



--- On Sun, 11/6/11, Shan <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Shan <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Electrical Sensitivity & Psychic Experiences
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, November 6, 2011, 5:58 AM








 



 


   
     
     
         I don't know how much difference this would make to those whom do not believe MCS and EHS are real in the States, but it may make a difference given how cosy our Prime Minister is with your president.......



In Canada MCS and and EHS is officially recognized as disabilities and is even on the website of the Canadan Human Rights Commission. They are both called Environmental Illnesses



Canadian Human Rights Commission

Like others with a disability, those with environmental sensitivities are required by law to be accommodated.

http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx



For further information on environmental sensitivities, click on the following Commission publications:

The Medical Perspective on Environmental Sensitivities

http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/envsensitivity_en.pdf

http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx



Accommodation for Environmental Sensitivities: Legal Perspective

http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/legal_sensitivity_en.pdf

http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx



References:  http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page14-eng.aspx



Overview

Introduction; What are "environmental sensitivities"?; Summary

Guidelines for the optimization of the indoor environment and accommodation of people with environmental sensitivities are presented, and the costs and benefits of protective measures are discussed. For those interested in the original scientific and technical literature, an annotated bibliography is available on request from [hidden email].

Table 1: Names used for aspects of environmental sensitivities and commonly overlapping conditions2,3*

http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page2-eng.aspx



The Human Rights Tribunal of Ontario

The Human Rights Tribunal of Ontario is where all human rights applications are filed. If you want to file an application on your own and do not need legal help, you can file directly at the Tribunal. Go to www.hrto.ca or call the Tribunal at 1-866-598-0322 (1-416-326-1312). The Tribunal has a guide to help you complete your application available to you on their web site.

If you think you might want to file a human rights application, it will help you to take a look at the application form to see what kinds of questions you will have to answer to complete the form. If you want advice or assistance from the Human Rights Legal Support Centre in completing a human rights application form, you should read the form before you phone the Centre. You can find a copy of the application form on the web site of the Human Rights Tribunal at: www.hrto.ca/NEW/application/newappforms.asp, or call the Tribunal at 1-866-598-0322 (1-416-326-1312).

http://www.hrto.ca/



Human Rights Legal Support Centre

The new Human Rights Legal Support Centre offers human rights legal services to individuals throughout Ontario who believe they have experienced discrimination.  The Centre's services range from legal assistance in filing an application at the Tribunal to legal representation on human rights applications.

http://www.hrlsc.on.ca/en/index.htm



Ontario Human Rights Commission's Policy and Guidelines on Disability and the Duty to Accommodate

http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/Policies/PolicyDisAccom2/pdf



Though the provincial Human Rights Commissions leave a lot to be desired sometimes , the Canadian Human Rights Commission [CHRC] [Federal] is wonderfully well informed.

  A few months ago I had problems with an insurance company refusing to use products that were safe or safer for those with MCS - however when I phoned the Canadian HRC they said I had a case for discrimination  and to phone the Ontario Human Rigbts Legal Support office. The lady there laughed and said that insurance companies did not need to accommodate anyone........... So I suggested to her that she read up on both the Medical and the Legal pdf files for MCS on the website for the Canadian Human Rights Commission [CHRC] and she backed down. But if I had not phoned the CHRC first then I would have believed her.



blessings

             Shn



--- In [hidden email], "C.a.b. Johnson" <superdrove@...> wrote:

>

> Here's a rant for ya,

>

> I have put up with the mainstream medical establishment trying to pin psychological diaganosis on me all my life for anything they don't understand.  First I complained of digestive troubles.  Every mainstream doctor said it was stress and to see a therapist.  Turned out to be massive parasites and Celiac Disease, later diagnosed by a Naturopath in the first and second appointment!!  I should sued for incomopetance.  Except that it is almost impossible to sue doctors for malpractice even if they cut off the wrong leg.  

>

> Then I had to put up with the same crap when I had systemic yeast.  They said it was all ll in my head, until it was diagnosed by a Naturopath.  Mainstream medicine did not even believe in yeast infections until AIDS patients prooved them wrong.  Then I had to put up with the same crap when I became MCS.  They said it was all in my head that I reacted to chemicals.  Remember when they used to say that Chronic Fatique Syndrome was in people's heads?  It took two decades of people complaining about CFS and Fibromyalgia and years of research by devoted alternative doctors to finally give both conditions validity.  If left to mainstream medicine, they would still be making fun of CFS and MCS people, calling them nuts.

>

> Now just because they don't understand Electrical Sensitivity, they are making fun of the people who have it, trying to invalidate us or call us nuts.  I gave up on mainstream medicine and psychologists a long time ago.  They have not done a thing to help me.  I have been saved by Naturopaths, Herbs, Alternative Medicine, the internet , my own research, and taking control of my own health.  As far as I am concerned, Mainstream medicine is largely a way for  Big Pharma to push their drugs.

>

> Don't buy into it.  You know when something is wrong with you.  We have plenty of doctors and scientists in our camp that have described what is going on, and it is just going to take time for the illness to gain mainstream validity like MCS and FMS did.  

>

> C. Johnson

> Superdrove

>

>

>

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