Thanks for explaining the cable tv hum. We don't have that. Is it unsafe to have 1 electric circuit on the main panel turned off 24/7? Can it cause the rest of the wiring to run hotter? Kathy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> Is it unsafe to have 1 electric circuit on the main panel turned off 24/7?
I hope not -- we've had one circuit turned off at the fuse box for years... Marc |
Marc, Is your whole house wired correctly? Three wiring and grounded? Romex? Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:39:37 -0800 Subject: Re: [eSens] Electric question > Is it unsafe to have 1 electric circuit on the main panel turned off 24/7? I hope not -- we've had one circuit turned off at the fuse box for years... Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Do you live in a stand alone house, or apartment? Adjoining wall, meaning attached housing unit? Are you on municipal water? Does your water come from the city/town or a well? Private well or public city water? Are you saying that the National Radiological Protection Board was STILL getting readings, even when your mains were OFF? Lizzie From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.com> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Electric question > Is it unsafe to have 1 electric circuit on the main panel turned off 24/7? I hope not -- we've had one circuit turned off at the fuse box for years... Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> Is your whole house wired correctly?
> Three wiring and grounded? The outlets are all grounded and every outlet is wired correctly according to the outlet tester. So our house is better than most. :-) Prior to our moving in, several outlets were not wired correctly, and the some outlets had unusually high voltage output (150v!). > Romex? No idea, so the answer is probably no. Marc |
I'd have won that bet ...I bet your house IS wired correctly. Which is why you can shut down one circuit without issues. In a house not wired correctly, this can and does sometimes create "issues". Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:53:14 -0800 Subject: RE: [eSens] Electric question > Is your whole house wired correctly? > Three wiring and grounded? The outlets are all grounded and every outlet is wired correctly according to the outlet tester. So our house is better than most. :-) Prior to our moving in, several outlets were not wired correctly, and the some outlets had unusually high voltage output (150v!). > Romex? No idea, so the answer is probably no. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Turning off one breaker (or more) should not cause any other
circuits to run hotter. The only risk I can think of is someone decides to turn it on without telling you. There are special lock-out breakers that would prevent that. Or you could have an electrician put in a blank instead. Many houses have certain types of wiring issues, like ganged neutrals (that should be fixed but can be hard to pin down in some cases). These should not create problems when turning off a breaker. If turning off one does cause issues, there is a more blatant wiring error, of a type that could lead to shock or fire hazard, and that an electrician is more used to fixing (not that the average electrician will be able to figure out the problem, but a smart one will). Having 150 Volts is a bit of a shocker (130 would not be surprising). Curious what caused that and how it was fixed... Romex usually just means normal unshielded wire (whether made by Romex Co. or not). On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>wrote: > ** > > > > I'd have won that bet ...I bet your house IS wired correctly. > Which is why you can shut down one circuit without issues. > In a house not wired correctly, this can and does sometimes > create "issues". > Lizzie > > > To: [hidden email] > From: [hidden email] > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:53:14 -0800 > Subject: RE: [eSens] Electric question > > > > Is your whole house wired correctly? > > Three wiring and grounded? > > The outlets are all grounded and every outlet is > wired correctly according to the outlet tester. > > So our house is better than most. :-) > > Prior to our moving in, several outlets were not > wired correctly, and the some outlets had > unusually high voltage output (150v!). > > > Romex? > > No idea, so the answer is probably no. > > Marc > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [hidden email] [hidden email] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
Good info...let's keep in mind that "blatant wiring errors" are more common then people tend to think. Net current from having the electrical grounded to water pipes is a common find, as it was standard operating procedure and up until 2011, it was code. Yes, the electrical does have to be grounded- AT the SERVICE ENTRANCE; which is at the main circuit box. I would venture to say, that the two most common wiring errors are that the older houses are two wired, not three. Its not uncommon to find those "cheater" plates, with the three prong outlets, this makes it LOOK like the wiring is properly grounded. But when you remove that plate, (better yet, have an Electrician do this if you are not trained)...often you find the outlet is only wired using the two wired system. Which means not grounded. Wasn't an issue 30 years ago..but it is NOW. And in some houses, idiots did the wiring, and wired them REVERSE HOT. You can test this for yourself, using a 3 dollar part called an "outlet tester" where you plug this into your outlet, and it will light up, and there is a diagram on the outlet tester, which will tell you what those lights mean. Reverse HOT is not good. And I truly hope this isn't a common problem. But in these cases, where the wiring is not wired properly, shuttting off one circuit can create problems. Lizzie > To: [hidden email] > From: [hidden email] > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:14:52 -0700 > Subject: Re: [eSens] Electric question > > Turning off one breaker (or more) should not cause any other > circuits to run hotter. The only risk I can think of is someone > decides to turn it on without telling you. There are special lock-out > breakers that would prevent that. Or you could have an electrician > put in a blank instead. > > Many houses have certain types of wiring issues, like ganged neutrals (that > should be fixed but can be hard to pin down in some cases). > These should not create problems when turning off a breaker. If turning > off one does cause issues, there is a more blatant wiring error, of a type > that > could lead to shock or fire hazard, and that an electrician is more used to > fixing (not that the average electrician will be able to figure out the > problem, but a smart one will). > Having 150 Volts is a bit of a shocker (130 would not be surprising). > Curious what caused that and how it was fixed... > > Romex usually just means normal unshielded wire (whether made by Romex Co. > or not). > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > > > I'd have won that bet ...I bet your house IS wired correctly. > > Which is why you can shut down one circuit without issues. > > In a house not wired correctly, this can and does sometimes > > create "issues". > > Lizzie > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > From: [hidden email] > > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:53:14 -0800 > > Subject: RE: [eSens] Electric question > > > > > > > Is your whole house wired correctly? > > > Three wiring and grounded? > > > > The outlets are all grounded and every outlet is > > wired correctly according to the outlet tester. > > > > So our house is better than most. :-) > > > > Prior to our moving in, several outlets were not > > wired correctly, and the some outlets had > > unusually high voltage output (150v!). > > > > > Romex? > > > > No idea, so the answer is probably no. > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I don't know how it works there, in England. I can say that here, with our houses being hooked up/connected to city water lines, this can cause current to come into the house via those water lines. This would explain the meter showing current, when the mains is shut down...because it has to be coming from the another source, if the mains is completely shut off. As for your house being accessed, this does not sound safe. Is there someplace else you can go? Lizzie From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.com> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:53 PM Subject: RE: [eSens] Electric question > Is your whole house wired correctly? > Three wiring and grounded? The outlets are all grounded and every outlet is wired correctly according to the outlet tester. So our house is better than most. :-) Prior to our moving in, several outlets were not wired correctly, and the some outlets had unusually high voltage output (150v!). > Romex? No idea, so the answer is probably no. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> Having 150 Volts is a bit of a shocker (130 would not be surprising).
> Curious what caused that and how it was fixed... I can't recall exactly -- it seemed like there were wires touching each other that weren't supposed to be touching each other. There was all sorts of electrical weirdness in this house before we moved in, and it costs us quite a bit to fix... (this house did not cause my ES, as I had it before we moved in) Marc |
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Almost everyone has a surge protector and almost all have a wiring fault indicator. I just plugged mine into every outlet to test them.
Steve --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote: > > > Good info...let's keep in mind that "blatant wiring errors" are more common > then people tend to think. Net current from having the electrical grounded > to water pipes is a common find, as it was standard operating procedure and > up until 2011, it was code. Yes, the electrical does have to be grounded- > AT the SERVICE ENTRANCE; which is at the main circuit box. > I would venture to say, that the two most common > wiring errors are that the older houses are two wired, not three. Its > not uncommon to find those "cheater" plates, with the three prong > outlets, this makes it LOOK like the wiring is properly grounded. But > when you remove that plate, (better yet, have an Electrician do this > if you are not trained)...often you find the outlet is only wired using > the two wired system. > Which means not grounded. Wasn't an issue 30 years ago..but it is NOW. > And in some houses, idiots did the wiring, and wired them REVERSE HOT. > You can test this for yourself, using a 3 dollar part called an "outlet tester" > where you plug this into your outlet, and it will light up, and there is a diagram > on the outlet tester, which will tell you what those lights mean. > Reverse HOT is not good. And I truly hope this isn't a common problem. > But in these cases, where the wiring is not wired properly, shuttting off > one circuit can create problems. > Lizzie > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > From: wbruno@... > > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:14:52 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Electric question > > > > Turning off one breaker (or more) should not cause any other > > circuits to run hotter. The only risk I can think of is someone > > decides to turn it on without telling you. There are special lock-out > > breakers that would prevent that. Or you could have an electrician > > put in a blank instead. > > > > Many houses have certain types of wiring issues, like ganged neutrals (that > > should be fixed but can be hard to pin down in some cases). > > These should not create problems when turning off a breaker. If turning > > off one does cause issues, there is a more blatant wiring error, of a type > > that > > could lead to shock or fire hazard, and that an electrician is more used to > > fixing (not that the average electrician will be able to figure out the > > problem, but a smart one will). > > Having 150 Volts is a bit of a shocker (130 would not be surprising). > > Curious what caused that and how it was fixed... > > > > Romex usually just means normal unshielded wire (whether made by Romex Co. > > or not). > > > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...>wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd have won that bet ...I bet your house IS wired correctly. > > > Which is why you can shut down one circuit without issues. > > > In a house not wired correctly, this can and does sometimes > > > create "issues". > > > Lizzie > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > From: marc@... > > > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:53:14 -0800 > > > Subject: RE: [eSens] Electric question > > > > > > > > > > Is your whole house wired correctly? > > > > Three wiring and grounded? > > > > > > The outlets are all grounded and every outlet is > > > wired correctly according to the outlet tester. > > > > > > So our house is better than most. :-) > > > > > > Prior to our moving in, several outlets were not > > > wired correctly, and the some outlets had > > > unusually high voltage output (150v!). > > > > > > > Romex? > > > > > > No idea, so the answer is probably no. > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
These surge protectors WON'T TELL you if the outlet is wired: HOT/GROUND REVERSE, or HOT/NEUTRAL REVERSE, OPEN GROUND, or OPEN NEUTRAL, or OPEN HOT, or CORRECT. Information is Power. The more information you have, the better. And in this case, some of the above wiring errors are QUITE DANGEROUS. For example, the two HOT's up there can mean the wiring is ENERGIZED. That is a very dangerous situation. Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:01:41 +0000 Subject: [eSens] Re: Electric question Almost everyone has a surge protector and almost all have a wiring fault indicator. I just plugged mine into every outlet to test them. Steve --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote: > > > Good info...let's keep in mind that "blatant wiring errors" are more common > then people tend to think. Net current from having the electrical grounded > to water pipes is a common find, as it was standard operating procedure and > up until 2011, it was code. Yes, the electrical does have to be grounded- > AT the SERVICE ENTRANCE; which is at the main circuit box. > I would venture to say, that the two most common > wiring errors are that the older houses are two wired, not three. Its > not uncommon to find those "cheater" plates, with the three prong > outlets, this makes it LOOK like the wiring is properly grounded. But > when you remove that plate, (better yet, have an Electrician do this > if you are not trained)...often you find the outlet is only wired using > the two wired system. > Which means not grounded. Wasn't an issue 30 years ago..but it is NOW. > And in some houses, idiots did the wiring, and wired them REVERSE HOT. > You can test this for yourself, using a 3 dollar part called an "outlet tester" > where you plug this into your outlet, and it will light up, and there is a diagram > on the outlet tester, which will tell you what those lights mean. > Reverse HOT is not good. And I truly hope this isn't a common problem. > But in these cases, where the wiring is not wired properly, shuttting off > one circuit can create problems. > Lizzie > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > From: wbruno@... > > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:14:52 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Electric question > > > > Turning off one breaker (or more) should not cause any other > > circuits to run hotter. The only risk I can think of is someone > > decides to turn it on without telling you. There are special lock-out > > breakers that would prevent that. Or you could have an electrician > > put in a blank instead. > > > > Many houses have certain types of wiring issues, like ganged neutrals (that > > should be fixed but can be hard to pin down in some cases). > > These should not create problems when turning off a breaker. If turning > > off one does cause issues, there is a more blatant wiring error, of a type > > that > > could lead to shock or fire hazard, and that an electrician is more used to > > fixing (not that the average electrician will be able to figure out the > > problem, but a smart one will). > > Having 150 Volts is a bit of a shocker (130 would not be surprising). > > Curious what caused that and how it was fixed... > > > > Romex usually just means normal unshielded wire (whether made by Romex Co. > > or not). > > > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...>wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd have won that bet ...I bet your house IS wired correctly. > > > Which is why you can shut down one circuit without issues. > > > In a house not wired correctly, this can and does sometimes > > > create "issues". > > > Lizzie > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > From: marc@... > > > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:53:14 -0800 > > > Subject: RE: [eSens] Electric question > > > > > > > > > > Is your whole house wired correctly? > > > > Three wiring and grounded? > > > > > > The outlets are all grounded and every outlet is > > > wired correctly according to the outlet tester. > > > > > > So our house is better than most. :-) > > > > > > Prior to our moving in, several outlets were not > > > wired correctly, and the some outlets had > > > unusually high voltage output (150v!). > > > > > > > Romex? > > > > > > No idea, so the answer is probably no. > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Are you sure that the porperty next door isnt being used as a site for a
telephone mast in the loft or chimney or something - presume you have tested for this ? puk From: Marc Martin <_marc@ufoseries.com_ (mailto:marc@ufoseries.com) > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:eSens@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Electric question > Is it unsafe to have 1 electric circuit on the main panel turned off 24/7? I hope not -- we've had one circuit turned off at the fuse box for years... Marc |
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