ESD or grounded shoe recommendations?

Hi folks,

I've begun to research ESD or grounded shoes recently... I'm finding a number of brands out there. Nautilus, Timberland, Dr. Martens among others, and Red Wing has been mentioned here.

Any brand or shoe in particular best for grounding? Many of these are safety shoes that include steel toes, which I would think we would want to avoid if it could act as an antenna...

Seems that getting shoes that ground the energy that's affecting our bodies is one of the best tools in our arsenal, eh?

I'd enjoy hearing about personal experiences or recommendations.

Thanks,
Tim

I have 2 pairs, I prefer the Alpro sandals (from Europe).  The Berkenstocks
have metal rivets added to improve conduction.
Some shoes are designed to be actually conductive, others "dissipative".
 The conductivity of the Alpro ESD are too low to measure, but I could
measure the Birkenstocks (about a Mohm).
I know someone who prefers all leather shoes with leather soles that may in
the same range as the Alpro as far as I can know.

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On December  7, timheierman <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Seems that getting shoes that ground the energy that's affecting our bodies is one of the best tools in our arsenal, eh?
>
> I'd enjoy hearing about personal experiences or recommendations.

I've used Red Wing static dissipative shoes for years.  These definitely helped
to prevent shocks when I touched things, but any health improvements seemed
to be small.

Marc

 
> Any brand or shoe in particular best for grounding? Many of these are safety shoes that include steel toes, which I would think we would want to avoid if it could act as an antenna...

OMG, I've been walking around on antennas for fifteen years!  I wear arch supports that are made of steel.  There is no connection with the ground, they just sit on top of the insole and my feet are on top of them!  

Am I walking on antennas?  How could merely being metal become an antenna?  Don't they have to be directional, like TV rooftop antennae had to be?  Just sitting somewhere, a piece of metal can be a danger to eSens people?  Yes, I do wear cotton socks, would that be helping?

Marji

Here are a couple suggestions -
Minimalist running/walking earthing sandals    www.earthrunners.com
casual sandals     www.juil.com
~Renee

--- In [hidden email], "timheierman" <timheierman@...> wrote:

not sure about this these shoes are for electric shock disapation - you  
probably need more overall contact with a well conductive ground - bare feet  
might be good in the right areas,
 
puk
 
 
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Here are a couple suggestions -
Minimalist running/walking earthing  sandals www.earthrunners.com
casual sandals  www.juil.com
~Renee

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"timheierman"  <timheierman@...> wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
>  I've begun to research ESD or grounded shoes recently... I'm finding a
number  of brands out there. Nautilus, Timberland, Dr. Martens among others,
and Red  Wing has been mentioned here.
>
> Any brand or shoe in  particular best for grounding? Many of these are
safety shoes that include  steel toes, which I would think we would want to
avoid if it could act as an  antenna...
>
> Seems that getting shoes that ground the energy  that's affecting our
bodies is one of the best tools in our arsenal, eh?  
>
> I'd enjoy hearing about personal experiences or  recommendations.
>
> Thanks,
>  Tim
>






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What about grounding yourself where there is harmful-frequency ground current?

 And what if you then you touch something that's also grounded?

Think.

Shivani


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Sorry for the delay. I'm just getting to email again... Thanks for the responses folks!

Thanks so much Bill... You bring up a good point, conductive vs. dissipative. How are those different, and it sounds like you suggest conductive shoes?  Any way to tell which is which when looking at various shoe brands? 

To test body voltage, you are talking about using a multimeter connected to earth ground, with shoes on normal household flooring, correct? 

That's something that's come up in my research, is that ESD shoes are designed to be used with special conductive flooring, used in Tech industries. I suppose that's how they are able to use plastic materials and have them be conductive. They also require water to conduct, water from sweat I suppose, so I wonder if conductivity might not be effective until enough water saturates your socks. Any thoughts about that? 

Might leather be a better solution since it's conductive without needing a special conductive surface?  When I saw Dr. Rae in Dallas, he recommended leather soled shoes specifically, not ESD.  I just came across ESD shoes recently and thought it might be a more modern solution.

My understanding was that metal in shoes made them more susceptible to being turned into antennas that pick up EMR. That's why you want to avoid metal bed frames, metals in the mouth, etc. I wonder if anyone has tested that... It takes me back to leather being conductive but not being an antenna that picks up EMR. 

I appreciate your thoughts...
Tim





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I have 2 pairs, I prefer the Alpro sandals (from Europe).  The Berkenstocks
have metal rivets added to improve conduction.
Some shoes are designed to be actually conductive, others "dissipative".
The conductivity of the Alpro ESD are too low to measure, but I could
measure the Birkenstocks (about a Mohm).
I know someone who prefers all leather shoes with leather soles that may in
the same range as the Alpro as far as I can know.

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Hi Marji,

My understanding is metals from a bed frame, metals in your mouth, etc., those in close proximity to the body can act as antennas picking up EMR.  So the more we can reduce metals, the better, eh?  I think the only way to know for sure if metals around your body are affecting you is to buy or build a body voltage meter and see if you body voltage goes up or down depending on the source.  Then you have to decide what's best. It might be that keeping the metal inserts is better for your body than a small reduction in body voltage avoiding them, or if you find there's a significant reduction in body voltage, getting a non metal insert might be better for you... It's the old trial and error...

Here's a site that shows you how to make one if interested. http://www.emfwise.com/body-voltage-meter.php. I've done this, and it works!  :-) 

I have flat feet unfortunately. If there had been a draft when I was young, I suppose that would have gotten me out of military service, but that's the only good thing about flat feet!  :-)  I've worn plastic and foam arch supports most of my life. I was never comfortable in metal arch supports, ouch you are braver than I!  :-) 

For anyone needing good arch support, I've found the Powerstep Pinnacle Maxx inserts to be very good, a bit spendy but are comfortable and have held up well...

Tim




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> Any brand or shoe in particular best for grounding? Many of these are safety shoes that include steel toes, which I would think we would want to avoid if it could act as an antenna...

OMG, I've been walking around on antennas for fifteen years!  I wear arch supports that are made of steel.  There is no connection with the ground, they just sit on top of the insole and my feet are on top of them!

Am I walking on antennas?  How could merely being metal become an antenna?  Don't they have to be directional, like TV rooftop antennae had to be?  Just sitting somewhere, a piece of metal can be a danger to eSens people?  Yes, I do wear cotton socks, would that be helping?

Marji


 

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Thanks Marc... If they are reducing static electricity, they must be conducting!  I dread the winter when you get shocked every time you touch the car... I guess I have a low tolerance to pain. :-)

Have you tested your body voltage with and without the shoes?  I'm curious how much voltage they dissipate.

Tim




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Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 11:39 PM
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On December  7, timheierman <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Seems that getting shoes that ground the energy that's affecting our bodies is one of the best tools in our arsenal, eh?
>
> I'd enjoy hearing about personal experiences or recommendations.

I've used Red Wing static dissipative shoes for years.  These definitely helped
to prevent shocks when I touched things, but any health improvements seemed
to be small.

Marc

 

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On December 11, Tim <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thanks Marc... If they are reducing static electricity, they must be conducting! 
> I dread the winter when you get shocked every time you touch the car... I guess I have a low tolerance to pain. :-)
>
> Have you tested your body voltage with and without the shoes?  I'm curious how much voltage they dissipate.

I have not tested my body voltage, but I can confirm that I no longer get shocks when
touching anything.  That includes the car (when standing on pavement) and metal filing
cabinets (when standing on carpet).

However, if I wear sandals (not static dissipative), I DO get shocks when touching the
car.

Marc