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sky_watch

EMHS - Grounding - Cable?

I was sitting here in ES misery this afternoon and got to thinking about this. I think it was last year or maybe the year before that I had seen that the cable company had run a grounding wire from the cable box to my air-conditioning electrical box, which both are outside. Then I got to thinking that my ES is worse during the summer or when my air-conditioning is running.

I have a question then about that situation. Is it wise to have the cable grounded by my AC electrical box?

The reason I question it is because I was reading in Steven Magee's book "Curing Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity" and he was explaining how to ground and what he described is not at all what the cable company has done. Oh, the cable company didn't ask me for permission either to do what they did.

Peacefulness,
Kay

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Marc Martin

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I have decided that in my own case, attempting to locally ground the cable connection makes my ES symptoms far worse. So I am now using a ground isolator on my cable, and I feel much better using it than not. They sells these to eliminate problems with your TV picture (rolling bars in the image) and the sound coming out of your speakers (60 hz hum), but I find them good for ES, too. :-)

They sell these on Amazon... I think "Viewsonics" is one good brand... I'm actually using one that is no longer sold, from a company named "Holland"

Marc Martin

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This is what I'm referring to:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0017I3K9M/

I was recently trying to debug a flaky internet connection, and I was experimenting with various brands/models of ground loop isolators, as these do degrade the signal. I was using my cable modem statistics to determine which setup gave me the best signal and signal to noise ratio. This Viewsonics came in 2nd place, the no-longer-sold Holland model that I'm using now came in first place. But there are at least half-a-dozen brands/models of these on the market right now.

Marc

Marc Martin

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But also, independent from the cable grounding, I think air conditioning should be expected to make one feel worse (ES wise), as it's using a lot of power, has motors running, is introducing "dirty electricity" on your power lines, etc.

Fog Top

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I feel best without the HVAC running whether it's the AC or heat. When they run I get pressure in my head and ears, so they usually stay off until a member of the household complains.

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steve

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Interesting. I have a cable coming in that is plugged into a splitter that branches off to my cable modem and DVR for the TV. Should this be plugged in just before the splitter? I read varying suggestions on Amazon with some saying it shouldn't be connected before the cable modem because it may cause issues with some saying it doesn't affect cable modem speeds at all
Steve

steve

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I just ordered a swamp cooler, hope it doesn't bother me too much.
It gets up to 90 degrees in my apt in the summer, got up to 88 2 days ago. If I can get it down to 82 I'd be happy
Steve

Marc Martin

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I think that depends on a variety of factors. Basically, the cable modem want a signal-to-noise ratio above 30 - 35, and and the upstream/downstream powers to be in a certain range. And that is all impacted by how strong the signal is coming into your house, how many times you've split the signal inside your house, the lengths and quality of the coax cables used inside your house, and if you've got one of these ground loop isolators.

Like I said before, I had a marginal/flaky internet connection, so I took a look at the cable modem stats and started experimenting with all of the above, and got myself a setup that gave me a reliable internet connection. The Viewsonics isolator was one of the better ones, but no matter which one you choose, it's going to degrade the signal a little. So if you're marginal to start with, this will make it worse. I ended buying new coax cables (RG59's from Blue Jeans Cable) that also helped improve the signal (compared to the cables that were provided for free by the cable company)

Marc

Marc Martin

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But yes, I have my ground loop isolator about 2 feet before my splitter, and then the splitter sends the signal to a TIVO and a cable modem.

Marc

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steve

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I think my signal is fine, so I guess I can try it before the splitter and if it affects my internet speeds I can put it just before the split to the TV

Steve

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I think that depends on a variety of factors. Basically, the cable modem want a signal-to-noise ratio above 30 - 35, and and the upstream/downstream powers to be in a certain range. And that is all impacted by how strong the signal is coming into your house, how many times you've split the signal inside your house, the lengths and quality of the coax cables used inside your house, and if you've got one of these ground loop isolators.

Like I said before, I had a marginal/flaky internet connection, so I took a look at the cable modem stats and started experimenting with all of the above, and got myself a setup that gave me a reliable internet connection. The Viewsonics isolator was one of the better ones, but no matter which one you choose, it's going to degrade the signal a little. So if you're marginal to start with, this will make it worse. I ended buying new coax cables (RG59's from Blue Jeans Cable) that also helped improve the signal (compared to the cables that were provided for free by the cable company)

Marc

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steve

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My cable comes in through a hole in the floor then right into the splitter so I'll have to put it in at the splitter, hope that doesn't matter

Steve

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But yes, I have my ground loop isolator about 2 feet before my splitter, and then the splitter sends the signal to a TIVO and a cable modem.

Marc

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Marc Martin

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Ideally it's just before the splitter, so the ground loop is broken for both your TV and your cable modem.

Marc

steve

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great, that's where I'll put it. Thanks

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Ideally it's just before the splitter, so the ground loop is broken for both your TV and your cable modem.

Marc

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sky_watch

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Hey everyone, I used to get an email notice that someone had replied to my post. I didn't get them this time. I wasn't ignoring, didn't have time to get back here to see if there were replies.

Right now I don't have the time to read everything but surely will in a bit.

I will say, quickly, because EMHS or whatever it is was so bad, I went out and cut the wire to my air-conditioning electrical box.

Cutting the wire made a huge difference! The air in my home seems "lighter" if that makes sense. And even though I still am shocked and burned by keyboard & mouse and ereader, I am only subjected to EMFs mostly during the early evening hours now, where before it was ALL THE TIME and I couldn't get away from it in my home.

When I have more time I'm going to check my journals to find when the cable company attached the wire and prior to that what was the level of my EMS.

Anyway, again, thanks everyone!

Peacefulness,
Kay

Today is a good day for a good day!

sky_watch

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I need to be more observant! I forgot at this website I need to check the box at the end of the post in order to receive replies.

Some days I'm "aware", some days I'm not!

Peacefulness,
Kay

Today is a good day for a good day!

sky_watch

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Okay! A lot of this stuff I don't have a clue what is really being talked about. Well, a little bit I do but not totally or enough to know what I need at this point with this ES struggle. I looked at the filter you recommended and works for you but I'm not sure that's what I need.

Since I have cut the ground wire from the cable company's cable box, which they had connected to my air-conditioning electrical supply box, I have experienced far less burning, actual shocking and the skin on my face turning bright pink and dry feeling.

I think now my main concern might be dirty electricity but I don't know because I don't understand electricity. Something I learned from Dr. Halpern's book is "the utility companies can significantly reduce the contamination (of electricity) by installing special low pass filters between the grid and the consumer." Because I still am being burned and shocked by some devices and sometimes just walking or standing in front of or near an electrical outlet, I wonder if that would benefit me? That is if I could get the electric company to do it.

Some time ago my electric company offered, for a monthly fee, some type of service regards electrical wiring in my home. I don't recall all the details of the offer but it went something like if the problem was inside my home it would cost me or if the problem were outside or on the other side of the meter, the electric company, it would be on them. There were two notices of the offer made months apart. Now I wonder if they knew about I'm going to call it "dirty electricity", and were going to capitalize on that or . . . anyway, I didn't participate in the offer. Only mentioning this as background information.

Most of the time the ES is exacerbated by weather conditions. That's a whole other story!!

What do you think? Would the low pass filters Halpern talks about be beneficial and what method would I choose to get my electric supply company to install the filters, like write a letter and/or call them?

Thanks, Marc!

Peacefulness,
Kay

Today is a good day for a good day!

sky_watch

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Cutting the ground wire from the cable company's cable box to the electric supply box to my air-conditioning made a tremendous difference in my comfort.

I think now the problem might be dirty electricity.

Good to hear from you, FogTop!

Peacefulness,
Kay

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Fog Top

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Hi Kay, forgive me if I ask questions which you have already answered, but do have a smart meter, and if so, does it communicate wirelessly or through the wiring (power line communication).

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Marc Martin

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I doubt the electric utility company would be involved with filtering high frequencies from your electrical power... typically, that is something people do for themselves here. Mostly you see people using plug-in filters throughout the house (e.g. Stetzer filters), but occasionally you see someone who gets a "whole house filter" that needs to be installed at the fusebox.

sky_watch

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It doesn't appear the electric meter is a Smart Meter going by images I've seen of them. I don't know if it communicates wirelessly otherwise. I believe the natural gas meter may somehow be communicating wirelessly though. I've tried to pay attention when the worst part of the EMFs happen but haven't got it pinned down yet.

I was home when the gas company was out and did something to the meter here but the service person said it was regular maintenance. I know the meter was changed or something was added to it because the old meter had no distinctive color except black and the exchanged meter had red screw head as best I can describe. Later on, in the evening that day, my EMS went into orbit and I blamed it on the meter exchange. One of my children suggested calling the gas company and the customer service told me, no, they would not come back and exchange the meter for the old one. So that was that.

I will say though after cutting the wire the cable company attached to my air-conditioning electrical supply box there are times now that the EMS is practically nonexistent and I'm thankful for that. I want to be completely free but as budget doesn't allow for more I've done all I can at this point.

Thank you again, Fog Top, for your input!

Peacefulness,
Kay

Today is a good day for a good day!

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