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Patsy

EMFs when band is playing

Hi folks,

I am wondering if anyone has any knowledge about the harmful effects of the electronics of a musical band. I have not been going anywhere lately and decided to go hear my son-in-law's band play in a fairly small room. I had considered not going b/c of balance problems and the embarrassment that comes with it but decided it wasn't as bad as it sometimes is. At half-time I noticed I was having to hold on to things more than when I left home. Then at the end of the concert, I was worse than I had ever been. It was scary. Even when I was holding onto something I felt like I needed to not be standing. I have major pressure in one side of my head and numbness that goes down that side of my body. That leg and foot seem to have lost nerves and/or are weak. My foot seems to be asleep most of the time. At first I thought I was affected by the noise/music but my husband suggested that it was the electronics. I believe he was right.

For brevity, anyone can skip this paragraph. The first and last are more important. I have had this problem for almost four years and it has been gradually getting worse. Even though I knew that it was connected to electromagnetic things (I first felt pain in my ear when using a cell phone), I still didn't know if I was being affected by things daily like cell phones and smart meter. or if the damage had been done and it is a brain tumor. When I decided that it probably is a brain tumor, I stopped thinking about getting away from the electronics(except getting corded phones which I did a long time ago). I didn't see a way to get away from the smart meter anyway. Now I realize I have to work on both the EMF situation AND natural healing. My question on this part is this....Do you think that it would slow down the growth of a tumor if I were able to avoid electromagnetic fields more than I am right now. I plan to build a faraday cage around my bed but I'm not sure how to get away from cell phones since nobody I am close to seem to believe there is a problem. My problem is not knowing when and what is affecting me because all of my symptoms are at different levels all the time. It isn't like when I smell perfume or smoke and I know to run. Ok, I'm not expecting an answer to this huge paragraph and I apologize for the length. I just have to ask you about meters to test with.

I have the trifield meter but I understand that it is limited in what it will check. Can anyone give me any ideas on which one is the best and affordable.

thanks to all.

Patsy

Lynnezhu

Re: EMFs when band is playing

Sorry don't know anything about band electronics but your symptoms are consistent with it. Bottomline I feel it pays to avoid emfs as much as possible. I too am getting worse and I understand there is a process called "kindling" I think, which in multiple chemical sensitivity causes one to react ever more strongly to less and less. that is happening to me now. Try not to let it happen to you by avoiding when possible.

Instead of building a faraday cage, you could buy a dream canopy or dream canopies (which are faraday cages). Also get another meter and go only to stores with relatively low fields. this is not always obvious. I find I can go to Sam's club here (not that I like it) because the fields away from the front are much less than in other grocery stores! I can also go to Big Lots. So by selecting stores I can cut exposure. Order groceries on line if possible. I also avoid travelling by cell towers if I can (lots of odd routes). Avoid going out to eat (all irradiated) and if you do , ask where the router is.

Live in the country if you can. fyi all your symptoms can be explained by electrosensitivity--no need to posit a brain tumor..imo., or to suppose you'll get one.

also with corded phones use the not plug in kind and don't hold the handset close to your ear. Use speaker if possible. Also turn off circuits at night near where you sleep. Also drive and older, non electric car. Sounds huge but all of above totally doable.

Lie on the ground whenever possible, even fully clothed. This cleans out the system... Lie in area away from electrical installations. Takes me about 40 minutes.

buy some of Steven magees books. I think Electric Forensics a good start fwiw. jmho

Marc Martin

Re: EMFs when band is playing

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In reply to this post by Patsy

> I am wondering if anyone has any knowledge about the harmful effects of the
> electronics of a musical band. I have not been going anywhere lately and
> decided to go hear my son-in-law's band play in a fairly small room.

Yes, a band's music equipment could definitely cause problems. As it
requires a lot of wattage to produce sound, and the current draw would
cause all of the electrical wiring in that small room to have increased
fields and dirty electricity.

Also, there are some audio amplifiers and speakers that are much worse
than others. At least, in my own experiments for good sound with my
computer I have tried things which provoked a lot of symptoms,
and things which provoke little-to-no symptoms. I think the worst of
these are the pulse-width-modulated amps, which are the new breed of
tiny amps that are often referred to as "Class D" or "Class T".

Marc

Patricia

Re: EMFs when band is playing

In reply to this post by Patsy

patsy, my understanding is that anything

that makes light, sound, motion, etc...

cooling, heating... will be a source of lots

of electromagnetic radiation. try your

meter at the frig, a heater, speakers,

telephone headset, fans, electric stoves,

etc... you will find high emf readings at

all. so yes, a concert in a small space

could generate a lot of emf... especially

if the music was loud. all phones are

high in emf. electric alarm clocks,

electric appliances, hair dryers, vacuum

cleaners... i have a very inexpensive

meter and its accuracy parallels high-

end meters. i bought it on amazon for

maybe $25-30. it's called a ghost meter.

i take it with me wherever i go and it

helps me find which places are safe and

which are best avoided. i use a 'magicjack'

phone on my computer and use the built-in

computer speakers and microphone rather

than use a phone with a handset, because

i can avoid some close-to-my-head emf

that way. have you heard of lloyd burrell

of electricsense.com ?

he also learned about emf

by using his phone near his head and

developing a tumor. he's fine now.

might want to check his site. he has a

book...

love, patricia

On Mar 6, 2016, at 3:42 AM, Patsy [via ES] wrote:

Hi folks,

I am wondering if anyone has any knowledge about the harmful effects of the electronics of a musical band. I have not been going anywhere lately and decided to go hear my son-in-law's band play in a fairly small room. I had considered not going b/c of balance problems and the embarrassment that comes with it but decided it wasn't as bad as it sometimes is. At half-time I noticed I was having to hold on to things more than when I left home. Then at the end of the concert, I was worse than I had ever been. It was scary. Even when I was holding onto something I felt like I needed to not be standing. I have major pressure in one side of my head and numbness that goes down that side of my body. That leg and foot seem to have lost nerves and/or are weak. My foot seems to be asleep most of the time. At first I thought I was affected by the noise/music but my husband suggested that it was the electronics. I believe he was right.

For brevity, anyone can skip this paragraph. The first and last are more important. I have had this problem for almost four years and it has been gradually getting worse. Even though I knew that it was connected to electromagnetic things (I first felt pain in my ear when using a cell phone), I still didn't know if I was being affected by things daily like cell phones and smart meter. or if the damage had been done and it is a brain tumor. When I decided that it probably is a brain tumor, I stopped thinking about getting away from the electronics(except getting corded phones which I did a long time ago). I didn't see a way to get away from the smart meter anyway. Now I realize I have to work on both the EMF situation AND natural healing. My question on this part is this....Do you think that it would slow down the growth of a tumor if I were able to avoid electromagnetic fields more than I am right now. I plan to build a faraday cage around my bed but I'm not sure how to get away from cell phones since nobody I am close to seem to believe there is a problem. My problem is not knowing when and what is affecting me because all of my symptoms are at different levels all the time. It isn't like when I smell perfume or smoke and I know to run. Ok, I'm not expecting an answer to this huge paragraph and I apologize for the length. I just have to ask you about meters to test with.

I have the trifield meter but I understand that it is limited in what it will check. Can anyone give me any ideas on which one is the best and affordable.

thanks to all.

Patsy

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Patsy

RE: Re: EMFs when band is playing

In reply to this post by Lynnezhu

Thanks loads for all your suggestions. Did you mean that you have MCS also. I find chemicals/perfumes easier to avoid than EMF's.

The reason I keep thinking I might have a tumor is b/c it is on one side and it affects that whole side down to my toes. Also I had a pain on that side of my head when using a cell phone. I hope that is correct that it could be just the EMF exposure. Maybe I could do more about that.

We are looking into the dream canopy. I had heard at some EMF place that the canopy for a king size bed would not be vertical enough to work properly. Is that true? Have you ever seen reviews for those canopies etc. on Lessemf? Can you recommend another meter that would work along with the trifield I already have? I don't hardly go in stores at all. My husband picks up our groceries and I buy supplements and other products online. IDK why I would dare to go to listen to the band. My balance is not as bad as yesterday after going there but I had such bad head pain that I could only sleep 2 1/2 hours through the pain. I hope it is better now.

I'm not sure what you mean by the 'not plug in' kind of corded phones. Yes, I think I can see a difference when I ride in my husband's newer truck. My car is a 1995. I would like to have a newer one but not sure how to be safe on that plus the smells. Even if it is used there could be smoke/perfume smells.

I have lain on the ground and will be able to do so again soon.

Thank you very much for your advice. I have one of those SM books.

Patsy

Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 08:51:49 -0700
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Subject: [ES] Re: EMFs when band is playing

Sorry don't know anything about band electronics but your symptoms are consistent with it. Bottomline I feel it pays to avoid emfs as much as possible. I too am getting worse and I understand there is a process called "kindling" I think, which in multiple chemical sensitivity causes one to react ever more strongly to less and less. that is happening to me now. Try not to let it happen to you by avoiding when possible.

Instead of building a faraday cage, you could buy a dream canopy or dream canopies (which are faraday cages). Also get another meter and go only to stores with relatively low fields. this is not always obvious. I find I can go to Sam's club here (not that I like it) because the fields away from the front are much less than in other grocery stores! I can also go to Big Lots. So by selecting stores I can cut exposure. Order groceries on line if possible. I also avoid travelling by cell towers if I can (lots of odd routes). Avoid going out to eat (all irradiated) and if you do , ask where the router is.

Live in the country if you can. fyi all your symptoms can be explained by electrosensitivity--no need to posit a brain tumor..imo., or to suppose you'll get one.

also with corded phones use the not plug in kind and don't hold the handset close to your ear. Use speaker if possible. Also turn off circuits at night near where you sleep. Also drive and older, non electric car. Sounds huge but all of above totally doable.

Lie on the ground whenever possible, even fully clothed. This cleans out the system... Lie in area away from electrical installations. Takes me about 40 minutes.

buy some of Steven magees books. I think Electric Forensics a good start fwiw. jmho

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Thank you Marc.

That all makes sense. IDK why I didn't realize that I should stay home. I may try to find out if their amplifiers are the worst kind. I even thought about the fact that we were sitting on metal seats. I did have a cushion under me though.

Thanks.
Patsy

Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 09:24:41 -0700
From: [hidden email]
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Subject: [ES] Re: EMFs when band is playing

> I am wondering if anyone has any knowledge about the harmful effects of the
> electronics of a musical band. I have not been going anywhere lately and
> decided to go hear my son-in-law's band play in a fairly small room.

Yes, a band's music equipment could definitely cause problems. As it
requires a lot of wattage to produce sound, and the current draw would
cause all of the electrical wiring in that small room to have increased
fields and dirty electricity.

Also, there are some audio amplifiers and speakers that are much worse
than others. At least, in my own experiments for good sound with my
computer I have tried things which provoked a lot of symptoms,
and things which provoke little-to-no symptoms. I think the worst of
these are the pulse-width-modulated amps, which are the new breed of
tiny amps that are often referred to as "Class D" or "Class T".

Marc

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> That all makes sense. IDK why I didn't realize that I should stay home. I may try to
> find out if their amplifiers are the worst kind. I even thought about the fact that we
> were sitting on metal seats. I did have a cushion under me though.

I don't think the cushion makes much difference. For me, it seems to be a "proximity to metal" that causes the problems, not direct skin-to-metal contact. So for example, sitting on a "hide-a-bed" couch full of metal springs would be bad, even though it has thick couch cushions on top.

Marc

Patsy

RE: Re: EMFs when band is playing

In reply to this post by Patricia

Patricia, Thank you much for your information. I would be very much interested in the meter that you bought for such a low price. Also, I will look into the 'MagicJack'. I noticed just today that when I used my corded phone (handset) that it hurt my ear and I thought it was b/c I had the volume too loud. Is using the MagicJack with the computer better than just using a speakerphone?

Yes, I get Lloyd Burrell's newsletters. I also run across his youtubes sometimes. He has helped a lot.

I had been to my son-in-law's concerts before but in a larger room AND I think my sensitivity had not progressed as much then. Now I know not to attend again. Actually, in my stupidity, I thought the volume of the music was what I was afraid would affect me. I am a little better now but not hardly back to where I was before I went, but maybe learning not to go was worth it.

Thank you all so much.

Patsy

Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 20:43:05 -0700
From: [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [ES] Re: EMFs when band is playing

patsy, my understanding is that anything

that makes light, sound, motion, etc...

cooling, heating... will be a source of lots

of electromagnetic radiation. try your

meter at the frig, a heater, speakers,

telephone headset, fans, electric stoves,

etc... you will find high emf readings at

all. so yes, a concert in a small space

could generate a lot of emf... especially

if the music was loud. all phones are

high in emf. electric alarm clocks,

electric appliances, hair dryers, vacuum

cleaners... i have a very inexpensive

meter and its accuracy parallels high-

end meters. i bought it on amazon for

maybe $25-30. it's called a ghost meter.

i take it with me wherever i go and it

helps me find which places are safe and

which are best avoided. i use a 'magicjack'

phone on my computer and use the built-in

computer speakers and microphone rather

than use a phone with a handset, because

i can avoid some close-to-my-head emf

that way. have you heard of lloyd burrell

of electricsense.com ?

he also learned about emf

by using his phone near his head and

developing a tumor. he's fine now.

might want to check his site. he has a

book...

love, patricia

On Mar 6, 2016, at 3:42 AM, Patsy [via ES] wrote:

Hi folks,

I am wondering if anyone has any knowledge about the harmful effects of the electronics of a musical band. I have not been going anywhere lately and decided to go hear my son-in-law's band play in a fairly small room. I had considered not going b/c of balance problems and the embarrassment that comes with it but decided it wasn't as bad as it sometimes is. At half-time I noticed I was having to hold on to things more than when I left home. Then at the end of the concert, I was worse than I had ever been. It was scary. Even when I was holding onto something I felt like I needed to not be standing. I have major pressure in one side of my head and numbness that goes down that side of my body. That leg and foot seem to have lost nerves and/or are weak. My foot seems to be asleep most of the time. At first I thought I was affected by the noise/music but my husband suggested that it was the electronics. I believe he was right.

For brevity, anyone can skip this paragraph. The first and last are more important. I have had this problem for almost four years and it has been gradually getting worse. Even though I knew that it was connected to electromagnetic things (I first felt pain in my ear when using a cell phone), I still didn't know if I was being affected by things daily like cell phones and smart meter. or if the damage had been done and it is a brain tumor. When I decided that it probably is a brain tumor, I stopped thinking about getting away from the electronics(except getting corded phones which I did a long time ago). I didn't see a way to get away from the smart meter anyway. Now I realize I have to work on both the EMF situation AND natural healing. My question on this part is this....Do you think that it would slow down the growth of a tumor if I were able to avoid electromagnetic fields more than I am right now. I plan to build a faraday cage around my bed but I'm not sure how to get away from cell phones since nobody I am close to seem to believe there is a problem. My problem is not knowing when and what is affecting me because all of my symptoms are at different levels all the time. It isn't like when I smell perfume or smoke and I know to run. Ok, I'm not expecting an answer to this huge paragraph and I apologize for the length. I just have to ask you about meters to test with.

I have the trifield meter but I understand that it is limited in what it will check. Can anyone give me any ideas on which one is the best and affordable.

thanks to all.

Patsy

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Of course! We were like antennas in our metal chairs, especially me with EHS.

Thank you.

Patsy

Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 10:29:13 -0700
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Subject: [ES] Re: RE: Re: EMFs when band is playing

> That all makes sense. IDK why I didn't realize that I should stay home. I may try to
> find out if their amplifiers are the worst kind. I even thought about the fact that we
> were sitting on metal seats. I did have a cushion under me though.

I don't think the cushion makes much difference. For me, it seems to be a "proximity to metal" that causes the problems, not direct skin-to-metal contact. So for example, sitting on a "hide-a-bed" couch full of metal springs would be bad, even though it has thick couch cushions on top.

Marc

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Patricia

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hi, patsy. you are welcome.

i use the magicjack through my computer

with built-in mic and built-in speakers.

that puts the sound "out there" far enough

that it does not feel uncomfortable.

i would think a speakerphone would be ok too.

when i use a cell phone (which is rarely), i use

the speaker feature... never put it to my head.

i remember years ago feeling the heat of a

cell phone at my ear... scared me so badly

that i never used it again. now i use the

speaker when i use the phone. i carry it in

my car wrapped inside mylar and only bring

it out and turn it on when i need to use it.

my phone asks me each time i turn it on if i

want it to be in "airplane mode" or not. i

only take it out of airplane mode when i am

making or expecting a call. otherwise, it is

OFF and wrapped in mylar.

anything that creates sound, light, motion,

heat or cooling, produces EMF... so be very

careful and take very good care of yourself.

love, patricia

On Mar 8, 2016, at 3:26 AM, Patsy [via ES] wrote:

Patricia, Thank you much for your information. I would be very much interested in the meter that you bought for such a low price. Also, I will look into the 'MagicJack'. I noticed just today that when I used my corded phone (handset) that it hurt my ear and I thought it was b/c I had the volume too loud. Is using the MagicJack with the computer better than just using a speakerphone?

Yes, I get Lloyd Burrell's newsletters. I also run across his youtubes sometimes. He has helped a lot.

I had been to my son-in-law's concerts before but in a larger room AND I think my sensitivity had not progressed as much then. Now I know not to attend again. Actually, in my stupidity, I thought the volume of the music was what I was afraid would affect me. I am a little better now but not hardly back to where I was before I went, but maybe learning not to go was worth it.

Thank you all so much.

Patsy

Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 20:43:05 -0700
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Subject: [ES] Re: EMFs when band is playing

patsy, my understanding is that anything
that makes light, sound, motion, etc...
cooling, heating... will be a source of lots
of electromagnetic radiation. try your
meter at the frig, a heater, speakers,
telephone headset, fans, electric stoves,
etc... you will find high emf readings at
all. so yes, a concert in a small space
could generate a lot of emf... especially
if the music was loud. all phones are
high in emf. electric alarm clocks,
electric appliances, hair dryers, vacuum
cleaners... i have a very inexpensive
meter and its accuracy parallels high-
end meters. i bought it on amazon for
maybe $25-30. it's called a ghost meter.
i take it with me wherever i go and it
helps me find which places are safe and
which are best avoided. i use a 'magicjack'
phone on my computer and use the built-in
computer speakers and microphone rather
than use a phone with a handset, because
i can avoid some close-to-my-head emf
that way. have you heard of lloyd burrell
of electricsense.com ?
he also learned about emf
by using his phone near his head and
developing a tumor. he's fine now.
might want to check his site. he has a
book...
love, patricia

On Mar 6, 2016, at 3:42 AM, Patsy [via ES] wrote:

Hi folks,

I am wondering if anyone has any knowledge about the harmful effects of the electronics of a musical band. I have not been going anywhere lately and decided to go hear my son-in-law's band play in a fairly small room. I had considered not going b/c of balance problems and the embarrassment that comes with it but decided it wasn't as bad as it sometimes is. At half-time I noticed I was having to hold on to things more than when I left home. Then at the end of the concert, I was worse than I had ever been. It was scary. Even when I was holding onto something I felt like I needed to not be standing. I have major pressure in one side of my head and numbness that goes down that side of my body. That leg and foot seem to have lost nerves and/or are weak. My foot seems to be asleep most of the time. At first I thought I was affected by the noise/music but my husband suggested that it was the electronics. I believe he was right.

For brevity, anyone can skip this paragraph. The first and last are more important. I have had this problem for almost four years and it has been gradually getting worse. Even though I knew that it was connected to electromagnetic things (I first felt pain in my ear when using a cell phone), I still didn't know if I was being affected by things daily like cell phones and smart meter. or if the damage had been done and it is a brain tumor. When I decided that it probably is a brain tumor, I stopped thinking about getting away from the electronics(except getting corded phones which I did a long time ago). I didn't see a way to get away from the smart meter anyway. Now I realize I have to work on both the EMF situation AND natural healing. My question on this part is this....Do you think that it would slow down the growth of a tumor if I were able to avoid electromagnetic fields more than I am right now. I plan to build a faraday cage around my bed but I'm not sure how to get away from cell phones since nobody I am close to seem to believe there is a problem. My problem is not knowing when and what is affecting me because all of my symptoms are at different levels all the time. It isn't like when I smell perfume or smoke and I know to run. Ok, I'm not expecting an answer to this huge paragraph and I apologize for the length. I just have to ask you about meters to test with.

I have the trifield meter but I understand that it is limited in what it will check. Can anyone give me any ideas on which one is the best and affordable.

thanks to all.

Patsy

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thank you so much, Patricia for that explanation. I really appreciate this forum and all the help all of you have given me. I am still trying to decide what is the best way to make a faraday cage. I think it is very important. I saw a youtube explaining that EMF's can prevent a cure from cancer.

I only use a cell phone for texting and that is seldom. I have been put in situations whereby I have to use one for a minute or two and I can feel it. I mainly keep it just in case I am alone when driving. There are no public phones anywhere now and if you need to use one in a department store, it is a cordless phone. I hope people wake up soon.

Thank you.

Patsy

Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 22:36:44 -0700
From: [hidden email]
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Subject: [ES] Re: RE: Re: EMFs when band is playing

hi, patsy. you are welcome.

i use the magicjack through my computer

with built-in mic and built-in speakers.

that puts the sound "out there" far enough

that it does not feel uncomfortable.

i would think a speakerphone would be ok too.

when i use a cell phone (which is rarely), i use

the speaker feature... never put it to my head.

i remember years ago feeling the heat of a

cell phone at my ear... scared me so badly

that i never used it again. now i use the

speaker when i use the phone. i carry it in

my car wrapped inside mylar and only bring

it out and turn it on when i need to use it.

my phone asks me each time i turn it on if i

want it to be in "airplane mode" or not. i

only take it out of airplane mode when i am

making or expecting a call. otherwise, it is

OFF and wrapped in mylar.

anything that creates sound, light, motion,

heat or cooling, produces EMF... so be very

careful and take very good care of yourself.

love, patricia

On Mar 8, 2016, at 3:26 AM, Patsy [via ES] wrote:

Patricia, Thank you much for your information. I would be very much interested in the meter that you bought for such a low price. Also, I will look into the 'MagicJack'. I noticed just today that when I used my corded phone (handset) that it hurt my ear and I thought it was b/c I had the volume too loud. Is using the MagicJack with the computer better than just using a speakerphone?

Yes, I get Lloyd Burrell's newsletters. I also run across his youtubes sometimes. He has helped a lot.

I had been to my son-in-law's concerts before but in a larger room AND I think my sensitivity had not progressed as much then. Now I know not to attend again. Actually, in my stupidity, I thought the volume of the music was what I was afraid would affect me. I am a little better now but not hardly back to where I was before I went, but maybe learning not to go was worth it.

Thank you all so much.

Patsy

Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 20:43:05 -0700
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Subject: [ES] Re: EMFs when band is playing

patsy, my understanding is that anything
that makes light, sound, motion, etc...
cooling, heating... will be a source of lots
of electromagnetic radiation. try your
meter at the frig, a heater, speakers,
telephone headset, fans, electric stoves,
etc... you will find high emf readings at
all. so yes, a concert in a small space
could generate a lot of emf... especially
if the music was loud. all phones are
high in emf. electric alarm clocks,
electric appliances, hair dryers, vacuum
cleaners... i have a very inexpensive
meter and its accuracy parallels high-
end meters. i bought it on amazon for
maybe $25-30. it's called a ghost meter.
i take it with me wherever i go and it
helps me find which places are safe and
which are best avoided. i use a 'magicjack'
phone on my computer and use the built-in
computer speakers and microphone rather
than use a phone with a handset, because
i can avoid some close-to-my-head emf
that way. have you heard of lloyd burrell
of electricsense.com ?
he also learned about emf
by using his phone near his head and
developing a tumor. he's fine now.
might want to check his site. he has a
book...
love, patricia

On Mar 6, 2016, at 3:42 AM, Patsy [via ES] wrote:

Hi folks,

I am wondering if anyone has any knowledge about the harmful effects of the electronics of a musical band. I have not been going anywhere lately and decided to go hear my son-in-law's band play in a fairly small room. I had considered not going b/c of balance problems and the embarrassment that comes with it but decided it wasn't as bad as it sometimes is. At half-time I noticed I was having to hold on to things more than when I left home. Then at the end of the concert, I was worse than I had ever been. It was scary. Even when I was holding onto something I felt like I needed to not be standing. I have major pressure in one side of my head and numbness that goes down that side of my body. That leg and foot seem to have lost nerves and/or are weak. My foot seems to be asleep most of the time. At first I thought I was affected by the noise/music but my husband suggested that it was the electronics. I believe he was right.

For brevity, anyone can skip this paragraph. The first and last are more important. I have had this problem for almost four years and it has been gradually getting worse. Even though I knew that it was connected to electromagnetic things (I first felt pain in my ear when using a cell phone), I still didn't know if I was being affected by things daily like cell phones and smart meter. or if the damage had been done and it is a brain tumor. When I decided that it probably is a brain tumor, I stopped thinking about getting away from the electronics(except getting corded phones which I did a long time ago). I didn't see a way to get away from the smart meter anyway. Now I realize I have to work on both the EMF situation AND natural healing. My question on this part is this....Do you think that it would slow down the growth of a tumor if I were able to avoid electromagnetic fields more than I am right now. I plan to build a faraday cage around my bed but I'm not sure how to get away from cell phones since nobody I am close to seem to believe there is a problem. My problem is not knowing when and what is affecting me because all of my symptoms are at different levels all the time. It isn't like when I smell perfume or smoke and I know to run. Ok, I'm not expecting an answer to this huge paragraph and I apologize for the length. I just have to ask you about meters to test with.

I have the trifield meter but I understand that it is limited in what it will check. Can anyone give me any ideas on which one is the best and affordable.

thanks to all.

Patsy

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Prevent a cure from(for?) Cancer?
Where did you read that? Makes sense though because they block the meridian(body energy) from flowing properly.
If you are that vulnerable it sounds like, I suggest : minerals. Me myself have getting much better taking mineral supplements.
Makes the body stronger. Energetically speaking, and then ofcourse physically.
Guess it has something to do with salt/minerals holds water in the body. Water holds/makes energy. Minerals also helps body regulate ph level. So you dont comprimise calcium levels further. If your body are are acidic, the body takes calcium from deposits to counter acidity. Charles have mentioned that all emf sensitive people he have come across has low calcium levels. That is why baking soda foot baths are so good. Baking soda neutralize acid. So it makes the body stress less. Guess thats why it feels so good.
I've been where you are, thats why i reach out to you :)

Marc Martin

Re: EMFs when band is playing

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> If your body are are acidic, the
> body takes calcium from deposits to counter acidity.

Yes, doing something about body acidity must be one of the best things I've done for myself... when I was at my worst, my saliva pH was around 5.0, which is very low. Now closer to 6.5, which is more normal.

One can do lots of things improve your alkalinity:
-- eat/drink less acidic foods and drinks (e.g. meat, soft drinks, alcohol)
-- eat/drink more green vegetables (e.g, asparagus, "green smoothies")
-- use alkalinizing supplements (e.g., "pleo alaka" from sanum, megahydrin, calcium/magnesium)
-- use baking soda as a toothpaste, deodorant, or in bath water

Marc

Patsy

RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: EMFs when band is playing

In reply to this post by Hawk

Thank you, Hawk.

I thought this youtube was the source of that information... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plxYUaCduxE , but after looking at it again I didn't see what I remembered. It talked about the earth's frequencies being the same as the human body and that EMF's messing up the connection messes up our DNA. This does have good info though.

Thank you for the suggestion of minerals. I have thought that I may need minerals other than the magnesium I am taking but have not looked up to find out what to try. I will look into Mark's suggestion. I will also try the baking soda footbaths.

I don't know that I have cancer. I just know something is affecting me horribly and I feel that getting protection from EMF's in my home is my first priority. The horrible effects from being near too strong of an electromagnetic field last weekend convinced me of that. When I am walking just in my home, I feel as a person would walking on a tight wire or a swinging bridge....not always but most of the time now.

Thanks to all of you.

ttyl
Patsy

Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 03:27:01 -0700
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Subject: [ES] RE: Re: RE: Re: EMFs when band is playing

Prevent a cure from(for?) Cancer?
Where did you read that? Makes sense though because they block the meridian(body energy) from flowing properly.
If you are that vulnerable it sounds like, I suggest : minerals. Me myself have getting much better taking mineral supplements.
Makes the body stronger. Energetically speaking, and then ofcourse physically.
Guess it has something to do with salt/minerals holds water in the body. Water holds/makes energy. Minerals also helps body regulate ph level. So you dont comprimise calcium levels further. If your body are are acidic, the body takes calcium from deposits to counter acidity. Charles have mentioned that all emf sensitive people he have come across has low calcium levels. That is why baking soda foot baths are so good. Baking soda neutralize acid. So it makes the body stress less. Guess thats why it feels so good.
I've been where you are, thats why i reach out to you :)

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http://m.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Full-Spectrum-Minerals-Caps-240-Capsules/690

I use these. Its non gmo. Beware of that when buying supplement. Some vitamin c are made from gmo corn.
Click the link and look whats in it. 9 different minerals plus vitanin d. Cheap too :)
I take double dose every day. 4 caps.
Idodine is key. Happy day!

Patsy

RE: Re: EMFs when band is playing

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

Thank you Marc. I do believe my body was somewhat acidic when I last checked it. I have thought it was not a good idea to take antacids, but I do take alka seltzer gold. Would that compare with the 'pleo alka' at all?

I want to try the soda footbath. Thank you.

Patsy

Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 12:47:51 -0700
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> If your body are are acidic, the
> body takes calcium from deposits to counter acidity.

Yes, doing something about body acidity must be one of the best things I've done for myself... when I was at my worst, my saliva pH was around 5.0, which is very low. Now closer to 6.5, which is more normal.

One can do lots of things improve your alkalinity:
-- eat/drink less acidic foods and drinks (e.g. meat, soft drinks, alcohol)
-- eat/drink more green vegetables (e.g, asparagus, "green smoothies")
-- use alkalinizing supplements (e.g., "pleo alaka" from sanum, megahydrin, calcium/magnesium)
-- use baking soda as a toothpaste, deodorant, or in bath water

Marc

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This post was updated on .

> Thank you Marc. I do believe my body was somewhat acidic
> when I last checked it. I have thought it was not a good
> idea to take antacids, but I do take alka seltzer gold.
> Would that compare with the 'pleo alka' at all?

Yes, people also use alka seltzer gold to alkalinize.
I seem to have a sensitivity to "citrates", and alka
seltzer gold has more of these than pleo alkala, but
I suspect if you're not sensitive to citrates then
it's fine.

Marc

JDark

Re: EMFs when band is playing

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I am OK with my electric piano. The new Roland micro-cube now have an amp in the plug that is very dirty and makes an undesirable noise, so I returned and complained to the company and bought a different brand and will probably run that on batteries. Modern stage set ups are loaded w/ wireless devices and RFs.
I get my concerts via DVD concert of my fav. bands.

All the businesses near me and almost everywhere are off limits due to wifi. There is an agency that helps get groceries for homebound and before that I hired someone, though a good portion is done online-even produce, as I only eat organic. I do think something needs to be done so we can have access to public services and places.

Meanwhile I am content just never leaving the house and have views of the mountains and such here.

Patsy

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In reply to this post by Marc Martin

Thanks. That's good to know.

Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 08:31:33 -0700
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Subject: [ES] Re: RE: Re: EMFs when band is playing

> Thank you Marc. I do believe my body was somewhat acidic
> when I last checked it. I have thought it was not a good
> idea to take antacids, but I do take alka seltzer gold.
> Would that compare with the 'pleo alka' at all?

Yes, people also use alka seltzer good to alkanize.
I seem to have a sensitivity to "citrates", and alka
seltzer gold has more of these than pleo alkala, but
I suspect if you're not sensitive to citrates then
it's fine.

Marc

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Yes, something definitely needs to be done but we can't expect anything as long as there is hardly anyone admitting there is a problem. It saddens me deeply that most people close to me have no idea of the dangers of EMF's especially the danger of the people with a hypersensitivity to it. My daughter has noticed my balance problem but according to her my son was apparently doubting anything was wrong. I think that was b/c he doesn't believe anyone truly has a sensitivity to chemicals, smoke, or electromagnetic fields. When I told my daughter that I was very badly affected by the radiofrequencies of the band, she said she thought maybe it was just the noise. No, I know my own body and know what was affecting me even though I didn't realize it at first.

I don't know that I notice wifi so much in places where I go shopping, etc. However, I had to stay in a motel two nights last year and could hardly sleep at all. I had not stayed in a hotel in years b/c of chemical sensitivity and checked for the safest kind. It was great on that problem but the wifi was very bad.

I don't really care much whether I go anywhere either. However, I have to work on protection inside my home. I think it may be dirty electricity. So much to figure out. Thanks for your thoughts.

Patsy

Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 13:29:04 -0700
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I am OK with my electric piano. The new Roland micro-cube now have an amp in the plug that is very dirty and makes an undesirable noise, so I returned and complained to the company and bought a different brand and will probably run that on batteries. Modern stage set ups are loaded w/ wireless devices and RFs.
I get my concerts via DVD concert of my fav. bands.

All the businesses near me and almost everywhere are off limits due to wifi. There is an agency that helps get groceries for homebound and before that I hired someone, though a good portion is done online-even produce, as I only eat organic. I do think something needs to be done so we can have access to public services and places.

Meanwhile I am content just never leaving the house and have views of the mountains and such here.

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