EMF Protection (product survey?)

> Hi, Marc,
>
> I have found your post and Charles' last post on this very interesting.
> Do you think that these polarizers, etc, are detoxing at all? How is it
> that you think they are "good for you", I guess is what I am asking? And
> Charles, I would ask re your latest post if you could elaborate, too. I
> am one who has avoided these devices, since I do not understand them. I
> have even avoided looking into a rife machine, tho it sounds very
> promising for my particular situation. I tend to avoid anything I don't
> understand and that I cannot get much info on to clear up my
> understanding. If it is relatively foreign or sounds foreign (rife just
> sounds complicated to me lol), I instead look for help in things I do
> understand. Thus I have centered my treatment on supplements and water,
> herbals, EFT, and such.
>
> I, for one, would welcome more info on how these devices actually work
> healthwise.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Diane
> Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Those machines are NOT EMF protection machines.
>>
>> They are just bioresonance machines.
>> They handle a lot of diseases, imperfections and shortcomings.
>
> This is my feeling on how the Springlife Polarizers function --
> they are simply "good for you", and besides helping me with
> my tolerance of EMF, they also help my tolerance for air pollution,
> can lessen allergies to dust & pollen, etc.
>
> In fact, one could argue that the cure for ES would simply
> be to do a number of things which are good for you, until you
> become healthy again. But, of course, the complexity is in
> figuring out what exactly needs to be done...
>
> Marc
>

> My Rife machine manual has a frequency of 657 hz for ES.
> I am interested in learning other frequencies for healing if you can
> share them.
> Andrew
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 10:53 AM, charles wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> there are some things mixed up here.
>>
>> Those machines are NOT EMF protection machines.
>>
>> They are just bioresonance machines.
>> They handle a lot of diseases, imperfections and shortcomings.
>>
>> Among them, they may make a body healthier.
>> By doing just that, the EHS may diminish.
>>
>> I burn audio CD's with frequencies against EHS and MCS.
>> Some people find them very good.
>> There are even MCS who find them too strong, so they take longer
>> pauses
>> between sessions.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>> member Verband Baubiologie
>> www.milieuziektes.nl
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andrew McAfee" <[hidden email]>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 19:45
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Reply: Re: EMF Protection (product survey?)
>>
>>
>>> No. I don't recommend any of these EMF protection machines. I have
>>> tried a least 4 of them and none can prevent my head from hurting
>>> around cell phones.
>>> Now, they may do something, but they don't keep pain away from me.
>>> There are some advocates on this list so each to their own and it
>>> makes
>>> me believe there are different causes and conditions of ES with
>>> different remedies=all valid.
>>> I too have done a lot of colloidal silver and have found great
>>> benefits
>>> and recommend breaks every once in a while in its usage to make sure
>>> there isn't a lessoning of beneficial bacteria. Be sure you are
>>> supplementing with yogurt, kefir, cultured foods, colostrum, etc.
>>> Glad to hear you like coconut and milk.
>>> Let me know what you find that works for you.
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 14, 2006, at 1:48 AM, treja_cat wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Andrew,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your awesome advice, I appreciate your sincere honesty,
>>>> and
>>>> value all your advice. It sounds like you are doing quite the
>>>> 'thorough
>>>> job' of keeping yourself well! I'm also curious as to your experience
>>>> with the Rife machine.
>>>>
>>>> As for the Beck Protocol, I've been using the Blood Electrication
>>>> tool
>>>> (kills bugs), the Magnetic Pulser (good for EMF... I love this tool
>>>> by
>>>> the way, I got it at: http://www.toolsforhealing.com
>>>> <http://www.toolsforhealing.com> - by Sota Instruments). I also
>>>> drink
>>>> collidal silver daily, and am awaiting three other machines. One of
>>>> them
>>>> makes Ozone Water, Ozone Airpurifier. And also the BioTuner (by
>>>> Beck).
>>>> I
>>>> think the BioTuner will be good for EMF healing, as well as his
>>>> Magnetic
>>>> Pulser. The BioTuner helps heal emotional/mental issues with 'brain
>>>> electrication'. He states that it's good for all health too, because
>>>> most health issues begin with "stress", and this machine eleviates
>>>> stress... so we'll see.
>>>>
>>>> As for EMF Protection Machines (just for EMF purposes only), it seems
>>>> that 'most' people are in agreement with the Quantum Products. So
>>>> this
>>>> is something I will seriously look into. I'm also wondering about
>>>> chips/stickers... that stick on to everything (ie: BioPro). There
>>>> seems
>>>> to be many companies that sell these stickers (button type product).
>>>> It's hard to believe that it can work, and the money they want for
>>>> just
>>>> one sticker!! But if it works... I'm keen. Do you recommend any of
>>>> these?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Sahara [:)]
>>>>
>>>> P.S. I'm a BIG FAN of coconut products (oil, and milk, etc). It
>>>> tastes
>>>> great, and it's so good for you. That's great to hear that you like
>>>> it
>>>> :-)
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> Thanks for the info, Ligure!
>
> I do use a bit of stevia for sweetening. I was unaware that it  
> affected the heart negatively and the adrenals positively, so that  
> info is very helpful to me, thanks. I used to use honey and  
> molasses (molasses actually probably saved my life about a decade  
> ago when I nearly died from anemia secondary to celiac disease). I  
> no longer can use honey or molasses due to the carb count.
>
> My nutritionist is a genius, in my opinion. When I first began  
> seeing him he suggested that I go completely sugar and all types of  
> sweetener-free, save for stevia, because I had turned diabetic  
> within the two years previous to that. Had I seen a medical doctor  
> for this problem, I would now be on meds. However, my nutritionist  
> told me that if I watched my carbs and gave up sugar in all its  
> forms (artificial sweeteners are mostly all sugar alcohols of some  
> sort), I could live the rest of my life free of diabetes, most  
> likely. I did as he suggested and sure enough, within a year of  
> starting the diet he proposed, my blood sugar readings dropped into  
> the normal range. So I am not planning on giving up my sugar-free  
> lifestyle any time soon. Thanks for supporting my cause with all  
> that sugar info, tho. :)
>
> Yesterday, my nutritionist suggested that I add coffee to my diet  
> (half a cup 3 or 4 times/day). Today, as I drank my first half cup  
> of coffee in over 20 years, I received a research article from a  
> buddy on my celiac forum regarding the health benefits of drinking  
> coffee on the liver! The study came out just two weeks ago. I'd  
> say my nutritionist is up on his reading. lol I had cirrhosis  
> pre-celiac dx and according to the article, coffee protects  
> alcoholics (and others, such as celiacs), from getting cirrhosis.
>
> Thanks again, Ligure,
> Diane
> Ligure <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I am glad you found the benefits of quercetin. I don’t know much about the
> pyrethrin reaction you mention, but as for sugars and sweeteners I can say
> some:
>
> Summary: Avoid them like the plague. They are unwholesome and will cause
> problems.
>
> Details:
>
> Refined sugar is usually processed from sugar canes where the sweet part is
> extracted leaving all the nutrients (which are meant to accompany it)
> behind. The “leftovers” end up as molasses. Molasses is very rich in
> minerals and is an excellent thing to take for your health at a rate of
> 1-tbls spoons a day to help build up trace mineral stores and iron. The
> process of separating the sucrose from the sugar cane involved chemical
> solvents which can be a concern for those that are chemically sensitive.
>
> Artificial sweeteners are worse than sugar itself for a few reasons. 1) It
> tricks the body into thinking that it will be getting calories and leaves
> the body hungry for those quick calories. The net result is that you usually
> end up eating more when you take artificial sweeteners because the caloric
> satiation is not occurring with the taste trigger. 2) Specifically aspartame
> breaks down into methal alcohol and formaldehyde when at body temperature.
> Neither one of those are good for the chemically sensitive. Aspartame has
> been traced to several disease conditions which are similar to the common
> ones listed in this group (e.g. fibromyalgia) and Gulf War Syndrome. 3)
> Splenda is worse than aspartame because it is directly correlated to
> depression as well at the common conditions of this group. Again sugar is
> better for you than the artifical sweeteners.
>
> For a natural sweetener, try local (to you) raw honey (can’t find it in
> stores. You have to go to a bee keeper direct. Interview the bee keeper to
> make sure they do not feed the bees sugar or antibiotics). It helps to
> desensitize to airborne allergens of the region. Also there is molasses.
> This is not usually as palatable to some as honey is. The kind to get will
> have a high amount of iron (and will be organic). Then there is stevia.
> Depending on the form you get it is 20x sweeter than sugar. There is also
> licorice powder. This should be used in moderation as it can lead to a
> heavier load on your heart, but it does strengthen the adrenals.
>
>
>
> Anyway Gotta Go for Now,
>
>
>
> Ligure
>
>
>
> _____
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> From: Evie [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 3:29 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF Protection (product survey?)
>
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> Hi, Ligure,
>
> No wonder I couldn't take primrose oil! I am taking huge amounts of
> quercetin supplements already! Thanks for the info.
>
> And, yes, the quercetin has helped my food intolerances immeasurably. I was
> down to eating only about 5 foods and now I can eat most everything but
> gluten grains, soy, sugar, sweeteners, and asparagus. I still do avoid most
> processed foods, tho, as I consider them toxinators (well the same with
> sugar and sweeteners, really. But I avoid those because I have diabetes.)
>
> I have had bad reactions since taking quercetin with mold and mildew and
> also pyrethrins which I had previously not reacted to. I have been wondering
> why I am reacting so badly to those now, all of a sudden, since I had
> detoxed so successfully recently and I thought quercetin would also help
> with these. The pyrethrin reaction is not a toxic reaction any longer, asit
> is now "inert". But I am still reacting to it and the company claims it is
> an allergy to natural pyrethrins.
>
> Any comments or suggestions anybody?
> Thanks again, Ligure,
> Diane
>
> Ligure "mailto:reiki%40atticmemories.com"[hidden email]> wrote:
> Ok, since the thought crossed my mind twice in these recent threads, I
> let it out.
>
> I have been researching herbs for allergies and found that one of the
> active ingredients in plants that help to stop the histamine reaction
> is quercetin. Evening primrose *leaf* has the highest concentration of
> quercetin in all plants. In fact it has five time more than the second
> on the list. BTW, the way quercetin works is by stregthening the cell
> walls so that he histamine reaction stops cascading to the next cell
> and causing it to burst and release histamines. Having researched it
> and usd it I can highly recommend evening primrose leaf tea for
> allergies. This coupled with nettle would be a great combination.
>
> Ligure
>
> Quoting Marc Martin "mailto:marc%40ufoseries.com"marc@ufoseries.-com>:
>
>>> Very interesting and helpful to read what is helping others.
>>> I have to say that the number one helpful thing I ever tried, which
>>> unfortunately I cannot tolerate, was a very high quality, very potent
>>> fish oil. Anyway, it just about made the e. sens. go away, but it
>>> also made me feel like I had the flu (fever, chills, body aches, etc.).
>>
>> Sounds like a detox reaction, meaning that the fish oil is really
>> good for you, but you need to be very careful about taking low enough
>> doses so that you can stand taking it. Eventually you should be able
>> to take a normal dose.
>>
>> I have also tried a variety of fatty acid supplements -- cod liver oil,
>> salmon oil, krill oil, flax seed oil, evening primrose oil, borage oil,
>> olive oil, emu oil, chia seeds, etc. I have noticed that some
>> definitely
>> reduce my ES symptoms (e.g, evening primrose), and I have also noticed
>> that
>> I can hardly stand taking others (cod liver, chia). So they do seem
>> relevant to all of this.
>>
>> I also noticed that eating raw egg yolks helps a lot with my ES
>> symptoms,
>> I don't know if this is due to the fatty acids or the lecithin or
>> something else. But this also caused detox symptoms for me...
>>
>> Marc
>>
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> Hi, Marc,
>
> I have found your post and Charles' last post on this very interesting.
> Do you think that these polarizers, etc, are detoxing at all? How is it
> that you think they are "good for you", I guess is what I am asking? And
> Charles, I would ask re your latest post if you could elaborate, too. I
> am one who has avoided these devices, since I do not understand them. I
> have even avoided looking into a rife machine, tho it sounds very
> promising for my particular situation. I tend to avoid anything I don't
> understand and that I cannot get much info on to clear up my
> understanding. If it is relatively foreign or sounds foreign (rife just
> sounds complicated to me lol), I instead look for help in things I do
> understand. Thus I have centered my treatment on supplements and water,
> herbals, EFT, and such.
>
> I, for one, would welcome more info on how these devices actually work
> healthwise.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Diane
> Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Those machines are NOT EMF protection machines.
>>
>> They are just bioresonance machines.
>> They handle a lot of diseases, imperfections and shortcomings.
>
> This is my feeling on how the Springlife Polarizers function --
> they are simply "good for you", and besides helping me with
> my tolerance of EMF, they also help my tolerance for air pollution,
> can lessen allergies to dust & pollen, etc.
>
> In fact, one could argue that the cure for ES would simply
> be to do a number of things which are good for you, until you
> become healthy again. But, of course, the complexity is in
> figuring out what exactly needs to be done...
>
> Marc
>

> Hi, Charles,
>
> This is truly fascinating! I had no idea this kind of thing actually
> existed! I had heard of healing frequencies, but had no idea that the
> frequencies match particular illnesses! Incredible! I had a question
> while reading your post, that you may or may not know the answer to....
> If you try a frequency for an illness you may not have, such as lyme (the
> jury is still out as to whether I have/had lyme), would a reaction to the
> frequency for this illness indicate you had it? Or should one not
> experiment with different frequencies? Just thought that the frequencies
> also sound like they could dx, as well as heal, and wondered if this is
> the case?
>
> You are so right about "who is healthy" today! Gees, has there been
> anything man has not messed around with enough to destroy it's
> healthfulness? I don't think anything nowadays is even made the same as
> it was when I was a child, let alone how it was done hundreds of years
> ago.
>
> Thanks so much for your enlightening email! I cannot do it straight
> away, but I plan to look much deeper into this subject. I appreciate your
> help. I will look into your CD samples next week, too. Thanks for those.
>
> Have a great weekend,
> Diane aka Evie
>
> charles <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hello Evie,
>
> there is no EHS in a complete sane healthy body.
>
> But who is completely healthy today?
>
> With everything you eat, drink and breathe, you bring poisonous stuff and
> heavy metals into your body.
> And one has to undertake extreme efforts to get them out again.
>
> If you have a look at:
> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina161.html
> you may see a number of bioresonance machine.
> They started around 1930.
>
> Royal Riferesearches many illnesses and four the corresponding frequencies
> to kill the bacteria, virusses, and the like.
> For each illness, there are a number of frequencies.
>
> As far as I know, there are no side effects.
> Like with homeopathy, people may have reactions, a sign that it works
> great.
> They call that *hits*, or Herxheimer reactions, but that is only a good
> sign.
> Only after the first session, one may experience strange effects the next
> day only.
> One may start crying for no reason, or pee unvoluntary.
> But that is all.
>
> People with Lyme Disease have great trouble in healing, and antibiotics
> fail
> very often.
> Bioresonance seems to be the only good working solution.
> See the book Lyme Disease and Rife Machines by Brian Rosner (see
> *literature* on my HP)
>
> *Energy Healing* has the future.
> It is suppressed and hated by the big pharma, but because of its positive
> workings not neglectable anymore.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Evie" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 21:29
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Reply: Re: EMF Protection (product survey?)
>
>> Hi, Marc,
>>
>> I have found your post and Charles' last post on this very interesting.
>> Do you think that these polarizers, etc, are detoxing at all? How is it
>> that you think they are "good for you", I guess is what I am asking? And
>> Charles, I would ask re your latest post if you could elaborate, too. I
>> am one who has avoided these devices, since I do not understand them. I
>> have even avoided looking into a rife machine, tho it sounds very
>> promising for my particular situation. I tend to avoid anything I don't
>> understand and that I cannot get much info on to clear up my
>> understanding. If it is relatively foreign or sounds foreign (rife just
>> sounds complicated to me lol), I instead look for help in things I do
>> understand. Thus I have centered my treatment on supplements and water,
>> herbals, EFT, and such.
>>
>> I, for one, would welcome more info on how these devices actually work
>> healthwise.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Diane
>> Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > Those machines are NOT EMF protection machines.
>>>
>>> They are just bioresonance machines.
>>> They handle a lot of diseases, imperfections and shortcomings.
>>
>> This is my feeling on how the Springlife Polarizers function --
>> they are simply "good for you", and besides helping me with
>> my tolerance of EMF, they also help my tolerance for air pollution,
>> can lessen allergies to dust & pollen, etc.
>>
>> In fact, one could argue that the cure for ES would simply
>> be to do a number of things which are good for you, until you
>> become healthy again. But, of course, the complexity is in
>> figuring out what exactly needs to be done...
>>
>> Marc
>>
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> Thanks for the info, Ligure!
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> I do use a bit of stevia for sweetening. I was unaware that it
> affected the heart negatively and the adrenals positively, so that
> info is very helpful to me, thanks. I used to use honey and
> molasses (molasses actually probably saved my life about a decade
> ago when I nearly died from anemia secondary to celiac disease). I
> no longer can use honey or molasses due to the carb count.
>
> My nutritionist is a genius, in my opinion. When I first began
> seeing him he suggested that I go completely sugar and all types of
> sweetener-free, save for stevia, because I had turned diabetic
> within the two years previous to that. Had I seen a medical doctor
> for this problem, I would now be on meds. However, my nutritionist
> told me that if I watched my carbs and gave up sugar in all its
> forms (artificial sweeteners are mostly all sugar alcohols of some
> sort), I could live the rest of my life free of diabetes, most
> likely. I did as he suggested and sure enough, within a year of
> starting the diet he proposed, my blood sugar readings dropped into
> the normal range. So I am not planning on giving up my sugar-free
> lifestyle any time soon. Thanks for supporting my cause with all
> that sugar info, tho. :)
>
> Yesterday, my nutritionist suggested that I add coffee to my diet
> (half a cup 3 or 4 times/day). Today, as I drank my first half cup
> of coffee in over 20 years, I received a research article from a
> buddy on my celiac forum regarding the health benefits of drinking
> coffee on the liver! The study came out just two weeks ago. I'd
> say my nutritionist is up on his reading. lol I had cirrhosis
> pre-celiac dx and according to the article, coffee protects
> alcoholics (and others, such as celiacs), from getting cirrhosis.
>
> Thanks again, Ligure,
> Diane
> Ligure <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I am glad you found the benefits of quercetin. I don’t know much about the
> pyrethrin reaction you mention, but as for sugars and sweeteners I can say
> some:
>
> Summary: Avoid them like the plague. They are unwholesome and will cause
> problems.
>
> Details:
>
> Refined sugar is usually processed from sugar canes where the sweet part is
> extracted leaving all the nutrients (which are meant to accompany it)
> behind. The “leftovers” end up as molasses. Molasses is very rich in
> minerals and is an excellent thing to take for your health at a rate of
> 1-tbls spoons a day to help build up trace mineral stores and iron. The
> process of separating the sucrose from the sugar cane involved chemical
> solvents which can be a concern for those that are chemically sensitive.
>
> Artificial sweeteners are worse than sugar itself for a few reasons. 1) It
> tricks the body into thinking that it will be getting calories and leaves
> the body hungry for those quick calories. The net result is that you usually
> end up eating more when you take artificial sweeteners because the caloric
> satiation is not occurring with the taste trigger. 2) Specifically aspartame
> breaks down into methal alcohol and formaldehyde when at body temperature.
> Neither one of those are good for the chemically sensitive. Aspartame has
> been traced to several disease conditions which are similar to the common
> ones listed in this group (e.g. fibromyalgia) and Gulf War Syndrome. 3)
> Splenda is worse than aspartame because it is directly correlated to
> depression as well at the common conditions of this group. Again sugar is
> better for you than the artifical sweeteners.
>
> For a natural sweetener, try local (to you) raw honey (can’t find it in
> stores. You have to go to a bee keeper direct. Interview the bee keeper to
> make sure they do not feed the bees sugar or antibiotics). It helps to
> desensitize to airborne allergens of the region. Also there is molasses.
> This is not usually as palatable to some as honey is. The kind to get will
> have a high amount of iron (and will be organic). Then there is stevia.
> Depending on the form you get it is 20x sweeter than sugar. There is also
> licorice powder. This should be used in moderation as it can lead to a
> heavier load on your heart, but it does strengthen the adrenals.
>
>
>
> Anyway Gotta Go for Now,
>
>
>
> Ligure
>
>
>
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> From: Evie [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 3:29 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF Protection (product survey?)
>
>
>
> Hi, Ligure,
>
> No wonder I couldn't take primrose oil! I am taking huge amounts of
> quercetin supplements already! Thanks for the info.
>
> And, yes, the quercetin has helped my food intolerances immeasurably. I was
> down to eating only about 5 foods and now I can eat most everything but
> gluten grains, soy, sugar, sweeteners, and asparagus. I still do avoid most
> processed foods, tho, as I consider them toxinators (well the same with
> sugar and sweeteners, really. But I avoid those because I have diabetes.)
>
> I have had bad reactions since taking quercetin with mold and mildew and
> also pyrethrins which I had previously not reacted to. I have been wondering
> why I am reacting so badly to those now, all of a sudden, since I had
> detoxed so successfully recently and I thought quercetin would also help
> with these. The pyrethrin reaction is not a toxic reaction any longer, asit
> is now "inert". But I am still reacting to it and the company claims it is
> an allergy to natural pyrethrins.
>
> Any comments or suggestions anybody?
> Thanks again, Ligure,
> Diane
>
> Ligure "mailto:reiki%40atticmemories.com"[hidden email]> wrote:
> Ok, since the thought crossed my mind twice in these recent threads, I
> let it out.
>
> I have been researching herbs for allergies and found that one of the
> active ingredients in plants that help to stop the histamine reaction
> is quercetin. Evening primrose *leaf* has the highest concentration of
> quercetin in all plants. In fact it has five time more than the second
> on the list. BTW, the way quercetin works is by stregthening the cell
> walls so that he histamine reaction stops cascading to the next cell
> and causing it to burst and release histamines. Having researched it
> and usd it I can highly recommend evening primrose leaf tea for
> allergies. This coupled with nettle would be a great combination.
>
> Ligure
>
> Quoting Marc Martin "mailto:marc%40ufoseries.com"marc@ufoseries.-com>:
>
>>> Very interesting and helpful to read what is helping others.
>>> I have to say that the number one helpful thing I ever tried, which
>>> unfortunately I cannot tolerate, was a very high quality, very potent
>>> fish oil. Anyway, it just about made the e. sens. go away, but it
>>> also made me feel like I had the flu (fever, chills, body aches, etc.).
>>
>> Sounds like a detox reaction, meaning that the fish oil is really
>> good for you, but you need to be very careful about taking low enough
>> doses so that you can stand taking it. Eventually you should be able
>> to take a normal dose.
>>
>> I have also tried a variety of fatty acid supplements -- cod liver oil,
>> salmon oil, krill oil, flax seed oil, evening primrose oil, borage oil,
>> olive oil, emu oil, chia seeds, etc. I have noticed that some
>> definitely
>> reduce my ES symptoms (e.g, evening primrose), and I have also noticed
>> that
>> I can hardly stand taking others (cod liver, chia). So they do seem
>> relevant to all of this.
>>
>> I also noticed that eating raw egg yolks helps a lot with my ES
>> symptoms,
>> I don't know if this is due to the fatty acids or the lecithin or
>> something else. But this also caused detox symptoms for me...
>>
>> Marc
>>
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> Hi, Charles,
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> This is truly fascinating! I had no idea this kind of thing actually
> existed! I had heard of healing frequencies, but had no idea that the
> frequencies match particular illnesses! Incredible! I had a question
> while reading your post, that you may or may not know the answer to....
> If you try a frequency for an illness you may not have, such as lyme (the
> jury is still out as to whether I have/had lyme), would a reaction to the
> frequency for this illness indicate you had it? Or should one not
> experiment with different frequencies? Just thought that the frequencies
> also sound like they could dx, as well as heal, and wondered if this is
> the case?
>
> You are so right about "who is healthy" today! Gees, has there been
> anything man has not messed around with enough to destroy it's
> healthfulness? I don't think anything nowadays is even made the same as
> it was when I was a child, let alone how it was done hundreds of years
> ago.
>
> Thanks so much for your enlightening email! I cannot do it straight
> away, but I plan to look much deeper into this subject. I appreciate your
> help. I will look into your CD samples next week, too. Thanks for those.
>
> Have a great weekend,
> Diane aka Evie
>
> charles <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hello Evie,
>
> there is no EHS in a complete sane healthy body.
>
> But who is completely healthy today?
>
> With everything you eat, drink and breathe, you bring poisonous stuff and
> heavy metals into your body.
> And one has to undertake extreme efforts to get them out again.
>
> If you have a look at:
> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina161.html
> you may see a number of bioresonance machine.
> They started around 1930.
>
> Royal Riferesearches many illnesses and four the corresponding frequencies
> to kill the bacteria, virusses, and the like.
> For each illness, there are a number of frequencies.
>
> As far as I know, there are no side effects.
> Like with homeopathy, people may have reactions, a sign that it works
> great.
> They call that *hits*, or Herxheimer reactions, but that is only a good
> sign.
> Only after the first session, one may experience strange effects the next
> day only.
> One may start crying for no reason, or pee unvoluntary.
> But that is all.
>
> People with Lyme Disease have great trouble in healing, and antibiotics
> fail
> very often.
> Bioresonance seems to be the only good working solution.
> See the book Lyme Disease and Rife Machines by Brian Rosner (see
> *literature* on my HP)
>
> *Energy Healing* has the future.
> It is suppressed and hated by the big pharma, but because of its positive
> workings not neglectable anymore.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
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> From: "Evie" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 21:29
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Reply: Re: EMF Protection (product survey?)
>
>> Hi, Marc,
>>
>> I have found your post and Charles' last post on this very interesting.
>> Do you think that these polarizers, etc, are detoxing at all? How is it
>> that you think they are "good for you", I guess is what I am asking? And
>> Charles, I would ask re your latest post if you could elaborate, too. I
>> am one who has avoided these devices, since I do not understand them. I
>> have even avoided looking into a rife machine, tho it sounds very
>> promising for my particular situation. I tend to avoid anything I don't
>> understand and that I cannot get much info on to clear up my
>> understanding. If it is relatively foreign or sounds foreign (rife just
>> sounds complicated to me lol), I instead look for help in things I do
>> understand. Thus I have centered my treatment on supplements and water,
>> herbals, EFT, and such.
>>
>> I, for one, would welcome more info on how these devices actually work
>> healthwise.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Diane
>> Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > Those machines are NOT EMF protection machines.
>>>
>>> They are just bioresonance machines.
>>> They handle a lot of diseases, imperfections and shortcomings.
>>
>> This is my feeling on how the Springlife Polarizers function --
>> they are simply "good for you", and besides helping me with
>> my tolerance of EMF, they also help my tolerance for air pollution,
>> can lessen allergies to dust & pollen, etc.
>>
>> In fact, one could argue that the cure for ES would simply
>> be to do a number of things which are good for you, until you
>> become healthy again. But, of course, the complexity is in
>> figuring out what exactly needs to be done...
>>
>> Marc
>>
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>
> I do use a bit of stevia for sweetening. I was unaware that it
> affected the heart negatively and the adrenals positively, so that
> info is very helpful to me, thanks. I used to use honey and
> molasses (molasses actually probably saved my life about a decade
> ago when I nearly died from anemia secondary to celiac disease). I
> no longer can use honey or molasses due to the carb count.
>
> My nutritionist is a genius, in my opinion. When I first began
> seeing him he suggested that I go completely sugar and all types of
> sweetener-free, save for stevia, because I had turned diabetic
> within the two years previous to that. Had I seen a medical doctor
> for this problem, I would now be on meds. However, my nutritionist
> told me that if I watched my carbs and gave up sugar in all its
> forms (artificial sweeteners are mostly all sugar alcohols of some
> sort), I could live the rest of my life free of diabetes, most
> likely. I did as he suggested and sure enough, within a year of
> starting the diet he proposed, my blood sugar readings dropped into
> the normal range. So I am not planning on giving up my sugar-free
> lifestyle any time soon. Thanks for supporting my cause with all
> that sugar info, tho. :)
>
> Yesterday, my nutritionist suggested that I add coffee to my diet
> (half a cup 3 or 4 times/day). Today, as I drank my first half cup
> of coffee in over 20 years, I received a research article from a
> buddy on my celiac forum regarding the health benefits of drinking
> coffee on the liver! The study came out just two weeks ago. I'd
> say my nutritionist is up on his reading. lol I had cirrhosis
> pre-celiac dx and according to the article, coffee protects
> alcoholics (and others, such as celiacs), from getting cirrhosis.
>
> Thanks again, Ligure,
> Diane
> Ligure <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I am glad you found the benefits of quercetin. I don’t know much about the
> pyrethrin reaction you mention, but as for sugars and sweeteners I can say
> some:
>
> Summary: Avoid them like the plague. They are unwholesome and will cause
> problems.
>
> Details:
>
> Refined sugar is usually processed from sugar canes where the sweet part is
> extracted leaving all the nutrients (which are meant to accompany it)
> behind. The “leftovers” end up as molasses. Molasses is very rich in
> minerals and is an excellent thing to take for your health at a rate of
> 1-tbls spoons a day to help build up trace mineral stores and iron. The
> process of separating the sucrose from the sugar cane involved chemical
> solvents which can be a concern for those that are chemically sensitive.
>
> Artificial sweeteners are worse than sugar itself for a few reasons. 1) It
> tricks the body into thinking that it will be getting calories and leaves
> the body hungry for those quick calories. The net result is that you usually
> end up eating more when you take artificial sweeteners because the caloric
> satiation is not occurring with the taste trigger. 2) Specifically aspartame
> breaks down into methal alcohol and formaldehyde when at body temperature.
> Neither one of those are good for the chemically sensitive. Aspartame has
> been traced to several disease conditions which are similar to the common
> ones listed in this group (e.g. fibromyalgia) and Gulf War Syndrome. 3)
> Splenda is worse than aspartame because it is directly correlated to
> depression as well at the common conditions of this group. Again sugar is
> better for you than the artifical sweeteners.
>
> For a natural sweetener, try local (to you) raw honey (can’t find it in
> stores. You have to go to a bee keeper direct. Interview the bee keeper to
> make sure they do not feed the bees sugar or antibiotics). It helps to
> desensitize to airborne allergens of the region. Also there is molasses.
> This is not usually as palatable to some as honey is. The kind to get will
> have a high amount of iron (and will be organic). Then there is stevia.
> Depending on the form you get it is 20x sweeter than sugar. There is also
> licorice powder. This should be used in moderation as it can lead to a
> heavier load on your heart, but it does strengthen the adrenals.
>
>
>
> Anyway Gotta Go for Now,
>
>
>
> Ligure
>
>
>
> _____
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> From: Evie [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 3:29 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF Protection (product survey?)
>
>
>
> Hi, Ligure,
>
> No wonder I couldn't take primrose oil! I am taking huge amounts of
> quercetin supplements already! Thanks for the info.
>
> And, yes, the quercetin has helped my food intolerances immeasurably. I was
> down to eating only about 5 foods and now I can eat most everything but
> gluten grains, soy, sugar, sweeteners, and asparagus. I still do avoid most
> processed foods, tho, as I consider them toxinators (well the same with
> sugar and sweeteners, really. But I avoid those because I have diabetes.)
>
> I have had bad reactions since taking quercetin with mold and mildew and
> also pyrethrins which I had previously not reacted to. I have been wondering
> why I am reacting so badly to those now, all of a sudden, since I had
> detoxed so successfully recently and I thought quercetin would also help
> with these. The pyrethrin reaction is not a toxic reaction any longer, asit
> is now "inert". But I am still reacting to it and the company claims it is
> an allergy to natural pyrethrins.
>
> Any comments or suggestions anybody?
> Thanks again, Ligure,
> Diane
>
> Ligure "mailto:reiki%40atticmemories.com"[hidden email]> wrote:
> Ok, since the thought crossed my mind twice in these recent threads, I
> let it out.
>
> I have been researching herbs for allergies and found that one of the
> active ingredients in plants that help to stop the histamine reaction
> is quercetin. Evening primrose *leaf* has the highest concentration of
> quercetin in all plants. In fact it has five time more than the second
> on the list. BTW, the way quercetin works is by stregthening the cell
> walls so that he histamine reaction stops cascading to the next cell
> and causing it to burst and release histamines. Having researched it
> and usd it I can highly recommend evening primrose leaf tea for
> allergies. This coupled with nettle would be a great combination.
>
> Ligure
>
> Quoting Marc Martin "mailto:marc%40ufoseries.com"marc@ufoseries.-com>:
>
>>> Very interesting and helpful to read what is helping others.
>>> I have to say that the number one helpful thing I ever tried, which
>>> unfortunately I cannot tolerate, was a very high quality, very potent
>>> fish oil. Anyway, it just about made the e. sens. go away, but it
>>> also made me feel like I had the flu (fever, chills, body aches, etc.).
>>
>> Sounds like a detox reaction, meaning that the fish oil is really
>> good for you, but you need to be very careful about taking low enough
>> doses so that you can stand taking it. Eventually you should be able
>> to take a normal dose.
>>
>> I have also tried a variety of fatty acid supplements -- cod liver oil,
>> salmon oil, krill oil, flax seed oil, evening primrose oil, borage oil,
>> olive oil, emu oil, chia seeds, etc. I have noticed that some
>> definitely
>> reduce my ES symptoms (e.g, evening primrose), and I have also noticed
>> that
>> I can hardly stand taking others (cod liver, chia). So they do seem
>> relevant to all of this.
>>
>> I also noticed that eating raw egg yolks helps a lot with my ES
>> symptoms,
>> I don't know if this is due to the fatty acids or the lecithin or
>> something else. But this also caused detox symptoms for me...
>>
>> Marc
>>
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> Thanks for the info, Ligure!
>
> I do use a bit of stevia for sweetening. I was unaware that it
> affected the heart negatively and the adrenals positively, so that
> info is very helpful to me, thanks. I used to use honey and
> molasses (molasses actually probably saved my life about a decade
> ago when I nearly died from anemia secondary to celiac disease). I
> no longer can use honey or molasses due to the carb count.
>
> My nutritionist is a genius, in my opinion. When I first began
> seeing him he suggested that I go completely sugar and all types of
> sweetener-free, save for stevia, because I had turned diabetic
> within the two years previous to that. Had I seen a medical doctor
> for this problem, I would now be on meds. However, my nutritionist
> told me that if I watched my carbs and gave up sugar in all its
> forms (artificial sweeteners are mostly all sugar alcohols of some
> sort), I could live the rest of my life free of diabetes, most
> likely. I did as he suggested and sure enough, within a year of
> starting the diet he proposed, my blood sugar readings dropped into
> the normal range. So I am not planning on giving up my sugar-free
> lifestyle any time soon. Thanks for supporting my cause with all
> that sugar info, tho. :)
>
> Yesterday, my nutritionist suggested that I add coffee to my diet
> (half a cup 3 or 4 times/day). Today, as I drank my first half cup
> of coffee in over 20 years, I received a research article from a
> buddy on my celiac forum regarding the health benefits of drinking
> coffee on the liver! The study came out just two weeks ago. I'd
> say my nutritionist is up on his reading. lol I had cirrhosis
> pre-celiac dx and according to the article, coffee protects
> alcoholics (and others, such as celiacs), from getting cirrhosis.
>
> Thanks again, Ligure,
> Diane
> Ligure <HYPERLINK

> I am glad you found the benefits of quercetin. I don’t know much about the
> pyrethrin reaction you mention, but as for sugars and sweeteners I can say
> some:
>
> Summary: Avoid them like the plague. They are unwholesome and will cause
> problems.
>
> Details:
>
> Refined sugar is usually processed from sugar canes where the sweet part

> extracted leaving all the nutrients (which are meant to accompany it)
> behind. The “leftovers” end up as molasses. Molasses is very rich in
> minerals and is an excellent thing to take for your health at a rate of
> 1-tbls spoons a day to help build up trace mineral stores and iron. The
> process of separating the sucrose from the sugar cane involved chemical
> solvents which can be a concern for those that are chemically sensitive.
>
> Artificial sweeteners are worse than sugar itself for a few reasons. 1) It
> tricks the body into thinking that it will be getting calories and leaves
> the body hungry for those quick calories. The net result is that you

> breaks down into methal alcohol and formaldehyde when at body temperature.
> Neither one of those are good for the chemically sensitive. Aspartame has
> been traced to several disease conditions which are similar to the common
> ones listed in this group (e.g. fibromyalgia) and Gulf War Syndrome. 3)
> Splenda is worse than aspartame because it is directly correlated to
> depression as well at the common conditions of this group. Again sugar is
> better for you than the artifical sweeteners.
>
> For a natural sweetener, try local (to you) raw honey (can’t find it in
> stores. You have to go to a bee keeper direct. Interview the bee keeper to
> make sure they do not feed the bees sugar or antibiotics)-. It helps to
> desensitize to airborne allergens of the region. Also there is molasses.
> This is not usually as palatable to some as honey is. The kind to get will
> have a high amount of iron (and will be organic). Then there is stevia.
> Depending on the form you get it is 20x sweeter than sugar. There is also
> licorice powder. This should be used in moderation as it can lead to a
> heavier load on your heart, but it does strengthen the adrenals.
>
>
>
> Anyway Gotta Go for Now,
>
>
>
> Ligure
>
>
>
> _____
>
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> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 3:29 PM
> To: HYPERLINK "mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com"eSens@yahoogroups.-com
> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF Protection (product survey?)
>
>
>
> Hi, Ligure,
>
> No wonder I couldn't take primrose oil! I am taking huge amounts of
> quercetin supplements already! Thanks for the info.
>
> And, yes, the quercetin has helped my food intolerances immeasurably. I

> Ok, since the thought crossed my mind twice in these recent threads, I
> let it out.
>
> I have been researching herbs for allergies and found that one of the
> active ingredients in plants that help to stop the histamine reaction
> is quercetin. Evening primrose *leaf* has the highest concentration of
> quercetin in all plants. In fact it has five time more than the second
> on the list. BTW, the way quercetin works is by stregthening the cell
> walls so that he histamine reaction stops cascading to the next cell
> and causing it to burst and release histamines. Having researched it
> and usd it I can highly recommend evening primrose leaf tea for
> allergies. This coupled with nettle would be a great combination.
>
> Ligure
>
> Quoting Marc Martin "mailto:marc%-40ufoseries.-com"marc@-ufoseries.--com>:
>
>>> Very interesting and helpful to read what is helping others.
>>> I have to say that the number one helpful thing I ever tried, which
>>> unfortunately I cannot tolerate, was a very high quality, very potent
>>> fish oil. Anyway, it just about made the e. sens. go away, but it
>>> also made me feel like I had the flu (fever, chills, body aches, etc.).
>>
>> Sounds like a detox reaction, meaning that the fish oil is really
>> good for you, but you need to be very careful about taking low enough
>> doses so that you can stand taking it. Eventually you should be able
>> to take a normal dose.
>>
>> I have also tried a variety of fatty acid supplements -- cod liver oil,
>> salmon oil, krill oil, flax seed oil, evening primrose oil, borage oil,
>> olive oil, emu oil, chia seeds, etc. I have noticed that some
>> definitely
>> reduce my ES symptoms (e.g, evening primrose), and I have also noticed
>> that
>> I can hardly stand taking others (cod liver, chia). So they do seem
>> relevant to all of this.
>>
>> I also noticed that eating raw egg yolks helps a lot with my ES
>> symptoms,
>> I don't know if this is due to the fatty acids or the lecithin or
>> something else. But this also caused detox symptoms for me...
>>
>> Marc
>>
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> Thanks for the info, Ligure!
>
> I do use a bit of stevia for sweetening. I was unaware that it
> affected the heart negatively and the adrenals positively, so that
> info is very helpful to me, thanks. I used to use honey and
> molasses (molasses actually probably saved my life about a decade
> ago when I nearly died from anemia secondary to celiac disease). I
> no longer can use honey or molasses due to the carb count.
>
> My nutritionist is a genius, in my opinion. When I first began
> seeing him he suggested that I go completely sugar and all types of
> sweetener-free, save for stevia, because I had turned diabetic
> within the two years previous to that. Had I seen a medical doctor
> for this problem, I would now be on meds. However, my nutritionist
> told me that if I watched my carbs and gave up sugar in all its
> forms (artificial sweeteners are mostly all sugar alcohols of some
> sort), I could live the rest of my life free of diabetes, most
> likely. I did as he suggested and sure enough, within a year of
> starting the diet he proposed, my blood sugar readings dropped into
> the normal range. So I am not planning on giving up my sugar-free
> lifestyle any time soon. Thanks for supporting my cause with all
> that sugar info, tho. :)
>
> Yesterday, my nutritionist suggested that I add coffee to my diet
> (half a cup 3 or 4 times/day). Today, as I drank my first half cup
> of coffee in over 20 years, I received a research article from a
> buddy on my celiac forum regarding the health benefits of drinking
> coffee on the liver! The study came out just two weeks ago. I'd
> say my nutritionist is up on his reading. lol I had cirrhosis
> pre-celiac dx and according to the article, coffee protects
> alcoholics (and others, such as celiacs), from getting cirrhosis.
>
> Thanks again, Ligure,
> Diane
> Ligure <HYPERLINK

> I am glad you found the benefits of quercetin. I don’t know much about the
> pyrethrin reaction you mention, but as for sugars and sweeteners I can say
> some:
>
> Summary: Avoid them like the plague. They are unwholesome and will cause
> problems.
>
> Details:
>
> Refined sugar is usually processed from sugar canes where the sweet part

> extracted leaving all the nutrients (which are meant to accompany it)
> behind. The “leftovers” end up as molasses. Molasses is very rich in
> minerals and is an excellent thing to take for your health at a rate of
> 1-tbls spoons a day to help build up trace mineral stores and iron. The
> process of separating the sucrose from the sugar cane involved chemical
> solvents which can be a concern for those that are chemically sensitive.
>
> Artificial sweeteners are worse than sugar itself for a few reasons. 1) It
> tricks the body into thinking that it will be getting calories and leaves
> the body hungry for those quick calories. The net result is that you

> breaks down into methal alcohol and formaldehyde when at body temperature.
> Neither one of those are good for the chemically sensitive. Aspartame has
> been traced to several disease conditions which are similar to the common
> ones listed in this group (e.g. fibromyalgia) and Gulf War Syndrome. 3)
> Splenda is worse than aspartame because it is directly correlated to
> depression as well at the common conditions of this group. Again sugar is
> better for you than the artifical sweeteners.
>
> For a natural sweetener, try local (to you) raw honey (can’t find it in
> stores. You have to go to a bee keeper direct. Interview the bee keeper to
> make sure they do not feed the bees sugar or antibiotics)-. It helps to
> desensitize to airborne allergens of the region. Also there is molasses.
> This is not usually as palatable to some as honey is. The kind to get will
> have a high amount of iron (and will be organic). Then there is stevia.
> Depending on the form you get it is 20x sweeter than sugar. There is also
> licorice powder. This should be used in moderation as it can lead to a
> heavier load on your heart, but it does strengthen the adrenals.
>
>
>
> Anyway Gotta Go for Now,
>
>
>
> Ligure
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Evie [mailto:HYPERLINK

> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 3:29 PM
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> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF Protection (product survey?)
>
>
>
> Hi, Ligure,
>
> No wonder I couldn't take primrose oil! I am taking huge amounts of
> quercetin supplements already! Thanks for the info.
>
> And, yes, the quercetin has helped my food intolerances immeasurably. I

> Ok, since the thought crossed my mind twice in these recent threads, I
> let it out.
>
> I have been researching herbs for allergies and found that one of the
> active ingredients in plants that help to stop the histamine reaction
> is quercetin. Evening primrose *leaf* has the highest concentration of
> quercetin in all plants. In fact it has five time more than the second
> on the list. BTW, the way quercetin works is by stregthening the cell
> walls so that he histamine reaction stops cascading to the next cell
> and causing it to burst and release histamines. Having researched it
> and usd it I can highly recommend evening primrose leaf tea for
> allergies. This coupled with nettle would be a great combination.
>
> Ligure
>
> Quoting Marc Martin "mailto:marc%-40ufoseries.-com"marc@-ufoseries.--com>:
>
>>> Very interesting and helpful to read what is helping others.
>>> I have to say that the number one helpful thing I ever tried, which
>>> unfortunately I cannot tolerate, was a very high quality, very potent
>>> fish oil. Anyway, it just about made the e. sens. go away, but it
>>> also made me feel like I had the flu (fever, chills, body aches, etc.).
>>
>> Sounds like a detox reaction, meaning that the fish oil is really
>> good for you, but you need to be very careful about taking low enough
>> doses so that you can stand taking it. Eventually you should be able
>> to take a normal dose.
>>
>> I have also tried a variety of fatty acid supplements -- cod liver oil,
>> salmon oil, krill oil, flax seed oil, evening primrose oil, borage oil,
>> olive oil, emu oil, chia seeds, etc. I have noticed that some
>> definitely
>> reduce my ES symptoms (e.g, evening primrose), and I have also noticed
>> that
>> I can hardly stand taking others (cod liver, chia). So they do seem
>> relevant to all of this.
>>
>> I also noticed that eating raw egg yolks helps a lot with my ES
>> symptoms,
>> I don't know if this is due to the fatty acids or the lecithin or
>> something else. But this also caused detox symptoms for me...
>>
>> Marc
>>
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>> The CD contains 14 tracks, for a standard 80 minutes CD.
>> I am sorry, but I do not have enough webspace left to store them there.
>> I do not know if the files section of the eSens Yahoo group allows for
>> 100
>> MB space. Otherwise I could store them there, and everybody could
>> download
> > them and burn their own CD.
>
> The eSens files area only has space for 30 MB of files, so this would not
> work.
>
> I have 100 MB of available file space on my own website, and could upload
> MP3's there, if there is demand for this.
>
> Do the frequencies work as well once they've been encoded to MP3's? I
> would think that some information would be lost by the encoding process.
>
> Marc

> Thanks for the info, Ligure!
>
> I do use a bit of stevia for sweetening. I was unaware that it
> affected the heart negatively and the adrenals positively, so that
> info is very helpful to me, thanks. I used to use honey and
> molasses (molasses actually probably saved my life about a decade
> ago when I nearly died from anemia secondary to celiac disease). I
> no longer can use honey or molasses due to the carb count.
>
> My nutritionist is a genius, in my opinion. When I first began
> seeing him he suggested that I go completely sugar and all types of
> sweetener-free, save for stevia, because I had turned diabetic
> within the two years previous to that. Had I seen a medical doctor
> for this problem, I would now be on meds. However, my nutritionist
> told me that if I watched my carbs and gave up sugar in all its
> forms (artificial sweeteners are mostly all sugar alcohols of some
> sort), I could live the rest of my life free of diabetes, most
> likely. I did as he suggested and sure enough, within a year of
> starting the diet he proposed, my blood sugar readings dropped into
> the normal range. So I am not planning on giving up my sugar-free
> lifestyle any time soon. Thanks for supporting my cause with all
> that sugar info, tho. :)
>
> Yesterday, my nutritionist suggested that I add coffee to my diet
> (half a cup 3 or 4 times/day). Today, as I drank my first half cup
> of coffee in over 20 years, I received a research article from a
> buddy on my celiac forum regarding the health benefits of drinking
> coffee on the liver! The study came out just two weeks ago. I'd
> say my nutritionist is up on his reading. lol I had cirrhosis
> pre-celiac dx and according to the article, coffee protects
> alcoholics (and others, such as celiacs), from getting cirrhosis.
>
> Thanks again, Ligure,
> Diane
> Ligure "mailto:reiki%40atticmemories.com"[hidden email]> wrote:
> I am glad you found the benefits of quercetin. I don’t know much about the
> pyrethrin reaction you mention, but as for sugars and sweeteners I can say
> some:
>
> Summary: Avoid them like the plague. They are unwholesome and will cause
> problems.
>
> Details:
>
> Refined sugar is usually processed from sugar canes where the sweet part

> extracted leaving all the nutrients (which are meant to accompany it)
> behind. The “leftovers” end up as molasses. Molasses is very rich in
> minerals and is an excellent thing to take for your health at a rate of
> 1-tbls spoons a day to help build up trace mineral stores and iron. The
> process of separating the sucrose from the sugar cane involved chemical
> solvents which can be a concern for those that are chemically sensitive.
>
> Artificial sweeteners are worse than sugar itself for a few reasons. 1) It
> tricks the body into thinking that it will be getting calories and leaves
> the body hungry for those quick calories. The net result is that you

> breaks down into methal alcohol and formaldehyde when at body temperature.
> Neither one of those are good for the chemically sensitive. Aspartame has
> been traced to several disease conditions which are similar to the common
> ones listed in this group (e.g. fibromyalgia) and Gulf War Syndrome. 3)
> Splenda is worse than aspartame because it is directly correlated to
> depression as well at the common conditions of this group. Again sugar is
> better for you than the artifical sweeteners.
>
> For a natural sweetener, try local (to you) raw honey (can’t find it in
> stores. You have to go to a bee keeper direct. Interview the bee keeper to
> make sure they do not feed the bees sugar or antibiotics)-. It helps to
> desensitize to airborne allergens of the region. Also there is molasses.
> This is not usually as palatable to some as honey is. The kind to get will
> have a high amount of iron (and will be organic). Then there is stevia.
> Depending on the form you get it is 20x sweeter than sugar. There is also
> licorice powder. This should be used in moderation as it can lead to a
> heavier load on your heart, but it does strengthen the adrenals.
>
>
>
> Anyway Gotta Go for Now,
>
>
>
> Ligure
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Evie [mailto:HYPERLINK

> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 3:29 PM
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> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF Protection (product survey?)
>
>
>
> Hi, Ligure,
>
> No wonder I couldn't take primrose oil! I am taking huge amounts of
> quercetin supplements already! Thanks for the info.
>
> And, yes, the quercetin has helped my food intolerances immeasurably. I

> Ok, since the thought crossed my mind twice in these recent threads, I
> let it out.
>
> I have been researching herbs for allergies and found that one of the
> active ingredients in plants that help to stop the histamine reaction
> is quercetin. Evening primrose *leaf* has the highest concentration of
> quercetin in all plants. In fact it has five time more than the second
> on the list. BTW, the way quercetin works is by stregthening the cell
> walls so that he histamine reaction stops cascading to the next cell
> and causing it to burst and release histamines. Having researched it
> and usd it I can highly recommend evening primrose leaf tea for
> allergies. This coupled with nettle would be a great combination.
>
> Ligure
>
> Quoting Marc Martin "mailto:marc%-40ufoseries.-com"marc@-ufoseries.--com>:
>
>>> Very interesting and helpful to read what is helping others.
>>> I have to say that the number one helpful thing I ever tried, which
>>> unfortunately I cannot tolerate, was a very high quality, very potent
>>> fish oil. Anyway, it just about made the e. sens. go away, but it
>>> also made me feel like I had the flu (fever, chills, body aches, etc.).
>>
>> Sounds like a detox reaction, meaning that the fish oil is really
>> good for you, but you need to be very careful about taking low enough
>> doses so that you can stand taking it. Eventually you should be able
>> to take a normal dose.
>>
>> I have also tried a variety of fatty acid supplements -- cod liver oil,
>> salmon oil, krill oil, flax seed oil, evening primrose oil, borage oil,
>> olive oil, emu oil, chia seeds, etc. I have noticed that some
>> definitely
>> reduce my ES symptoms (e.g, evening primrose), and I have also noticed
>> that
>> I can hardly stand taking others (cod liver, chia). So they do seem
>> relevant to all of this.
>>
>> I also noticed that eating raw egg yolks helps a lot with my ES
>> symptoms,
>> I don't know if this is due to the fatty acids or the lecithin or
>> something else. But this also caused detox symptoms for me...
>>
>> Marc
>>
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> Hi, Ligure and All,
>
> Not that I want to continue making celiac disease a topic here...  
> (And, btw, I consider celiac disease relevant to this ES forum only  
> in that it is a leaky gut disease and leaky gut diseases are  
> pertainent, due to the nutrient deficiency issues and due to the  
> toxin issues which are created by leaky gut diseases.) But since it  
> has already come up, this site which Ligure posted:
>
>    
> "http://www.rochester.edu/uhs/healthtopics/nutrition/celiac.html"http://www.
> rochester.edu/uhs/healthtopics/nutrition/celiac.html"
>
> is a dangerously misinformed site regarding celiac disease and I  
> would not regard any of what it says, tho most of what it says is  
> correct. There are at least 3 big mistakes at the site, tho, which,  
> if one were to follow for celiac info, could get them into real  
> trouble. They are:
>
> Celiac disease is an allergic reaction to wheat gluten.... Celiac  
> disease is not really an allergic reaction (tho this is not a  
> biggie, and as celiac info goes, might be a picky point), NOR is it  
> specifically a reaction to gluten. Celiac disease is a reaction to  
> gliaden proteins (again, perhaps a bit picky). HOWEVER, and most  
> importantly, celiac disease is not just a reaction to wheat.    
> Celiacs react to the gliadin proteins in wheat, rye, and barley and  
> ALL of their various forms and derivitives (spelt, triticale....).  
> They also react to gliadin contamination in oats, tho the actual oat  
> gluten is considered safe. (This sounds minor, but infact most  
> celiacs cannot eat most brands of oats. Some, like me, cannot eat  
> any brands of oats, and some can eat only particular brands of oats.  
> None can eat all brands of oats without doing damage to the  
> intestinal tract.)
>
> Another misinformation on the site... Celiac disease is NOT an  
> easy disease to cure by simply switching to white bread!!!! Infact,  
> white bread is to be avoided as much as whole wheat, so where this  
> site got the idea that white bread was ok, I do not know! And  
> infact, celiac disease is NOT an easy disease to treat as it regards  
> avoiding foods/etc which contain gliadins. In many cases,  
> manufacturers/the govts of countries/FDA/celiac associations/medical  
> community/etc, etc, cannot even get together to decide what  
> "glutenfree" means or what should receive that status. Even when a  
> food receives the right to have a "glutenfree" status and can claim  
> this on their label, this is not the final be-all, end-all, as far  
> as the item being "glutenfree". Glutenfree is a distinction which  
> means there are not more than a particular part/million count of  
> gliaden protein in a product amount; not that it is 100% free of  
> gliadins. However, celiacs can and do react to less than these
> counts. So, in other words, some celiacs will react to some  
> glutenfree products on occasion. I, for instance, cannot eat many  
> distilled glutens, tho distillation is supposed to remove 100% of  
> the gliadin. In reality, however, this is not always the case.  
> Rather than playing Russian roullette, I must choose not to eat any  
> of these grain distilled products. So, treatment of celiac disease  
> is not nearly as straight forward as it looks on the surface.
>
> Ligure, this site is no reflection on you. You simply posted a  
> hit that you received as a result of a search. However, in this  
> particular case, the info is misguided. I did not see any other  
> info there that was incorrect, but due to the complete  
> misunderstanding of what celiac is/does/and how to treat it, I  
> personally would not get my celiac info from this site. Just  
> thought all who are interested should know this.
>
> My best to you,
> Diane
>
>
>
> Ligure <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I did a little web searching and a few indications that the type  
> of licorice
> you mentioned was specifically recommended. I also found several places that
> recommended licorice powder. Then I came across this one that might explain
> why the specific kind of licorice is recommended:
>
> HYPERLINK
> "http://www.rochester.edu/uhs/healthtopics/nutrition/celiac.html"http://www.
> rochester.edu/uhs/healthtopics/nutrition/celiac.html
>
> It indicates that wheat is added to licorice (as in the candy) which is
> nearly 100% true. However there is no wheat added to licorice root powder.
>
> And here is a place that offers the gluten-free licorice candy.
>
> HYPERLINK
> "http://www.celiac.com/st_prod.html?p_prodid=665"http://www.celiac.com/st_pr
> od.html?p_prodid=665
>
>
>
> Then I looked up what Deglycyrrhizinated means and found this answer:
>
> HYPERLINK
> "http://www.enzy.com/glossary/searchresults.asp?txtTerm=D&comparetype=2"http
> ://www.enzy.com/glossary/searchresults.asp?txtTerm=D&comparetype=2
>
> The reason licorice increases the load on the heart is the very chemical the
> Deglycyrrhizination process removes. So the Deglycyrrhizinated licorice is
> to not cause an extra load on the heart. It has nothing to do with celiac
> disease (as I understand it). Deglycyrrhizinated licorice is generally
> regarded as safe for long term usage. Whereas normal licorice is recommended
> for short term usage unless under sever circumstances. Even so I personally
> would use hawthorn berry with the licorice as my herbalist training
> recommends so that both herbs are kept in a wholesome state.
>
>
>
> Ligure
>
>
>
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> From: Evie [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 5:52 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: RE: [eSens] EMF Protection (product survey?)
>
>
>
> Hi again, Ligure,
>
> I take this back. lol I think we are allowed to have a specific type of
> licorice in tablet form, but I forget the name of it--starts with a D! lol
> diglycerized?-?? Well, anyway, it is okay for those with leaky gut, I think.
> I need some food; beginning to have problems with my brain. lol And why I
> wrote this info in the first place, I do not know. It is really not
> relevant, so forgive my digression.
>
> Diane
> Evie wrote:
> Ah, thanks, Ligure,
>
> Yes, I already did know this about licorice. Glad to hear the stevia is ok.
> Celiac are not supposed to eat licorice, but I am not sure I remember why. I
> think some of it has added gluten, but also, if memory serves, it is not
> good for leaky guts.
>
> Thanks again for the correction.
> Diane
>
> Ligure "mailto:reiki%40atticmemories.com"[hidden email]> wrote:
> A little correction here:
> It is licorice (true licorice not the candy) that increases the load
> on the heart and yet strengthens the adrenals. As far as I know stevia
> does not cause any imbalances there. BTW, folks that take licorice
> root for adrenal strengthening typically will take hawthorn berry with
> it to counterbalance the extra load on the heart.
>
> Ligure
>
> Quoting Evie :
>
>> Thanks for the info, Ligure!
>>
>> I do use a bit of stevia for sweetening. I was unaware that it
>> affected the heart negatively and the adrenals positively, so that
>> info is very helpful to me, thanks. I used to use honey and
>> molasses (molasses actually probably saved my life about a decade
>> ago when I nearly died from anemia secondary to celiac disease). I
>> no longer can use honey or molasses due to the carb count.
>>
>> My nutritionist is a genius, in my opinion. When I first began
>> seeing him he suggested that I go completely sugar and all types of
>> sweetener-free, save for stevia, because I had turned diabetic
>> within the two years previous to that. Had I seen a medical doctor
>> for this problem, I would now be on meds. However, my nutritionist
>> told me that if I watched my carbs and gave up sugar in all its
>> forms (artificial sweeteners are mostly all sugar alcohols of some
>> sort), I could live the rest of my life free of diabetes, most
>> likely. I did as he suggested and sure enough, within a year of
>> starting the diet he proposed, my blood sugar readings dropped into
>> the normal range. So I am not planning on giving up my sugar-free
>> lifestyle any time soon. Thanks for supporting my cause with all
>> that sugar info, tho. :)
>>
>> Yesterday, my nutritionist suggested that I add coffee to my diet
>> (half a cup 3 or 4 times/day). Today, as I drank my first half cup
>> of coffee in over 20 years, I received a research article from a
>> buddy on my celiac forum regarding the health benefits of drinking
>> coffee on the liver! The study came out just two weeks ago. I'd
>> say my nutritionist is up on his reading. lol I had cirrhosis
>> pre-celiac dx and according to the article, coffee protects
>> alcoholics (and others, such as celiacs), from getting cirrhosis.
>>
>> Thanks again, Ligure,
>> Diane
>> Ligure "mailto:reiki%40atticmemories.com"[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I am glad you found the benefits of quercetin. I don’t know much aboutthe
>> pyrethrin reaction you mention, but as for sugars and sweeteners I can say
>> some:
>>
>> Summary: Avoid them like the plague. They are unwholesome and will cause
>> problems.
>>
>> Details:
>>
>> Refined sugar is usually processed from sugar canes where the sweet part
> is
>> extracted leaving all the nutrients (which are meant to accompany it)
>> behind. The “leftovers” end up as molasses. Molasses is very rich in
>> minerals and is an excellent thing to take for your health at a rate of
>> 1-tbls spoons a day to help build up trace mineral stores and iron. The
>> process of separating the sucrose from the sugar cane involved chemical
>> solvents which can be a concern for those that are chemically sensitive.
>>
>> Artificial sweeteners are worse than sugar itself for a few reasons. 1) It
>> tricks the body into thinking that it will be getting calories and leaves
>> the body hungry for those quick calories. The net result is that you
> usually
>> end up eating more when you take artificial sweeteners because the caloric
>> satiation is not occurring with the taste trigger. 2) Specifically
> aspartame
>> breaks down into methal alcohol and formaldehyde when at body temperature.
>> Neither one of those are good for the chemically sensitive. Aspartame has
>> been traced to several disease conditions which are similar to the common
>> ones listed in this group (e.g. fibromyalgia) and Gulf War Syndrome. 3)
>> Splenda is worse than aspartame because it is directly correlated to
>> depression as well at the common conditions of this group. Again sugar is
>> better for you than the artifical sweeteners.
>>
>> For a natural sweetener, try local (to you) raw honey (can’t find it in
>> stores. You have to go to a bee keeper direct. Interview the bee keeper to
>> make sure they do not feed the bees sugar or antibiotics)-. It helps to
>> desensitize to airborne allergens of the region. Also there is molasses.
>> This is not usually as palatable to some as honey is. The kind to get will
>> have a high amount of iron (and will be organic). Then there is stevia.
>> Depending on the form you get it is 20x sweeter than sugar. There is also
>> licorice powder. This should be used in moderation as it can lead to a
>> heavier load on your heart, but it does strengthen the adrenals.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway Gotta Go for Now,
>>
>>
>>
>> Ligure
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: Evie [mailto:HYPERLINK
> "mailto:evie15422%40yahoo.com"evie15422@yahoo.-com]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 3:29 PM
>> To: HYPERLINK "mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com"eSens@yahoogroups.-com
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF Protection (product survey?)
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Ligure,
>>
>> No wonder I couldn't take primrose oil! I am taking huge amounts of
>> quercetin supplements already! Thanks for the info.
>>
>> And, yes, the quercetin has helped my food intolerances immeasurably. I
> was
>> down to eating only about 5 foods and now I can eat most everything but
>> gluten grains, soy, sugar, sweeteners, and asparagus. I still do avoid
> most
>> processed foods, tho, as I consider them toxinators (well the same with
>> sugar and sweeteners, really. But I avoid those because I have diabetes.)
>>
>> I have had bad reactions since taking quercetin with mold and mildew and
>> also pyrethrins which I had previously not reacted to. I have been
> wondering
>> why I am reacting so badly to those now, all of a sudden, since I had
>> detoxed so successfully recently and I thought quercetin would also help
>> with these. The pyrethrin reaction is not a toxic reaction any longer, as
> it
>> is now "inert". But I am still reacting to it and the company claims it is
>> an allergy to natural pyrethrins.
>>
>> Any comments or suggestions anybody?
>> Thanks again, Ligure,
>> Diane
>>
>> Ligure "mailto:reiki%-40atticmemories.-com"[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>> Ok, since the thought crossed my mind twice in these recent threads, I
>> let it out.
>>
>> I have been researching herbs for allergies and found that one of the
>> active ingredients in plants that help to stop the histamine reaction
>> is quercetin. Evening primrose *leaf* has the highest concentration of
>> quercetin in all plants. In fact it has five time more than the second
>> on the list. BTW, the way quercetin works is by stregthening the cell
>> walls so that he histamine reaction stops cascading to the next cell
>> and causing it to burst and release histamines. Having researched it
>> and usd it I can highly recommend evening primrose leaf tea for
>> allergies. This coupled with nettle would be a great combination.
>>
>> Ligure
>>
>> Quoting Marc Martin "mailto:marc%-40ufoseries.-com"marc@-ufoseries.--com>:
>>
>>>> Very interesting and helpful to read what is helping others.
>>>> I have to say that the number one helpful thing I ever tried, which
>>>> unfortunately I cannot tolerate, was a very high quality, very potent
>>>> fish oil. Anyway, it just about made the e. sens. go away, but it
>>>> also made me feel like I had the flu (fever, chills, body aches, etc.).
>>>
>>> Sounds like a detox reaction, meaning that the fish oil is really
>>> good for you, but you need to be very careful about taking low enough
>>> doses so that you can stand taking it. Eventually you should be able
>>> to take a normal dose.
>>>
>>> I have also tried a variety of fatty acid supplements -- cod liver oil,
>>> salmon oil, krill oil, flax seed oil, evening primrose oil, borage oil,
>>> olive oil, emu oil, chia seeds, etc. I have noticed that some
>>> definitely
>>> reduce my ES symptoms (e.g, evening primrose), and I have also noticed
>>> that
>>> I can hardly stand taking others (cod liver, chia). So they do seem
>>> relevant to all of this.
>>>
>>> I also noticed that eating raw egg yolks helps a lot with my ES
>>> symptoms,
>>> I don't know if this is due to the fatty acids or the lecithin or
>>> something else. But this also caused detox symptoms for me...
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
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> Hi, Ligure and All,
>
> Not that I want to continue making celiac disease a topic here...
> (And, btw, I consider celiac disease relevant to this ES forum only
> in that it is a leaky gut disease and leaky gut diseases are
> pertainent, due to the nutrient deficiency issues and due to the
> toxin issues which are created by leaky gut diseases.) But since it
> has already come up, this site which Ligure posted:
>
>
> "http://www.rochester.edu/uhs/healthtopics/nutrition/celiac.html"http://www.
> rochester.edu/uhs/healthtopics/nutrition/celiac.html"
>
> is a dangerously misinformed site regarding celiac disease and I
> would not regard any of what it says, tho most of what it says is
> correct. There are at least 3 big mistakes at the site, tho, which,
> if one were to follow for celiac info, could get them into real
> trouble. They are:
>
> Celiac disease is an allergic reaction to wheat gluten.... Celiac
> disease is not really an allergic reaction (tho this is not a
> biggie, and as celiac info goes, might be a picky point), NOR is it
> specifically a reaction to gluten. Celiac disease is a reaction to
> gliaden proteins (again, perhaps a bit picky). HOWEVER, and most
> importantly, celiac disease is not just a reaction to wheat.
> Celiacs react to the gliadin proteins in wheat, rye, and barley and
> ALL of their various forms and derivitives (spelt, triticale....).
> They also react to gliadin contamination in oats, tho the actual oat
> gluten is considered safe. (This sounds minor, but infact most
> celiacs cannot eat most brands of oats. Some, like me, cannot eat
> any brands of oats, and some can eat only particular brands of oats.
> None can eat all brands of oats without doing damage to the
> intestinal tract.)
>
> Another misinformation on the site... Celiac disease is NOT an
> easy disease to cure by simply switching to white bread!!!! Infact,
> white bread is to be avoided as much as whole wheat, so where this
> site got the idea that white bread was ok, I do not know! And
> infact, celiac disease is NOT an easy disease to treat as it regards
> avoiding foods/etc which contain gliadins. In many cases,
> manufacturers/the govts of countries/FDA/celiac associations/medical
> community/etc, etc, cannot even get together to decide what
> "glutenfree" means or what should receive that status. Even when a
> food receives the right to have a "glutenfree" status and can claim
> this on their label, this is not the final be-all, end-all, as far
> as the item being "glutenfree". Glutenfree is a distinction which
> means there are not more than a particular part/million count of
> gliaden protein in a product amount; not that it is 100% free of
> gliadins. However, celiacs can and do react to less than these
> counts. So, in other words, some celiacs will react to some
> glutenfree products on occasion. I, for instance, cannot eat many
> distilled glutens, tho distillation is supposed to remove 100% of
> the gliadin. In reality, however, this is not always the case.
> Rather than playing Russian roullette, I must choose not to eat any
> of these grain distilled products. So, treatment of celiac disease
> is not nearly as straight forward as it looks on the surface.
>
> Ligure, this site is no reflection on you. You simply posted a
> hit that you received as a result of a search. However, in this
> particular case, the info is misguided. I did not see any other
> info there that was incorrect, but due to the complete
> misunderstanding of what celiac is/does/and how to treat it, I
> personally would not get my celiac info from this site. Just
> thought all who are interested should know this.
>
> My best to you,
> Diane
>
>
>
> Ligure <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I did a little web searching and a few indications that the type
> of licorice
> you mentioned was specifically recommended. I also found several places that
> recommended licorice powder. Then I came across this one that might explain
> why the specific kind of licorice is recommended:
>
> HYPERLINK
> "http://www.rochester.edu/uhs/healthtopics/nutrition/celiac.html"http://www.
> rochester.edu/uhs/healthtopics/nutrition/celiac.html
>
> It indicates that wheat is added to licorice (as in the candy) which is
> nearly 100% true. However there is no wheat added to licorice root powder.
>
> And here is a place that offers the gluten-free licorice candy.
>
> HYPERLINK
> "http://www.celiac.com/st_prod.html?p_prodid=665"http://www.celiac.com/st_pr
> od.html?p_prodid=665
>
>
>
> Then I looked up what Deglycyrrhizinated means and found this answer:
>
> HYPERLINK
> "http://www.enzy.com/glossary/searchresults.asp?txtTerm=D&comparetype=2"http
> ://www.enzy.com/glossary/searchresults.asp?txtTerm=D&comparetype=2
>
> The reason licorice increases the load on the heart is the very chemical the
> Deglycyrrhizination process removes. So the Deglycyrrhizinated licorice is
> to not cause an extra load on the heart. It has nothing to do with celiac
> disease (as I understand it). Deglycyrrhizinated licorice is generally
> regarded as safe for long term usage. Whereas normal licorice is recommended
> for short term usage unless under sever circumstances. Even so I personally
> would use hawthorn berry with the licorice as my herbalist training
> recommends so that both herbs are kept in a wholesome state.
>
>
>
> Ligure
>
>
>
> _____
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> From: Evie [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 5:52 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: RE: [eSens] EMF Protection (product survey?)
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>
>
> Hi again, Ligure,
>
> I take this back. lol I think we are allowed to have a specific type of
> licorice in tablet form, but I forget the name of it--starts with a D! lol
> diglycerized?-?? Well, anyway, it is okay for those with leaky gut, I think.
> I need some food; beginning to have problems with my brain. lol And why I
> wrote this info in the first place, I do not know. It is really not
> relevant, so forgive my digression.
>
> Diane
> Evie wrote:
> Ah, thanks, Ligure,
>
> Yes, I already did know this about licorice. Glad to hear the stevia is ok.
> Celiac are not supposed to eat licorice, but I am not sure I remember why. I
> think some of it has added gluten, but also, if memory serves, it is not
> good for leaky guts.
>
> Thanks again for the correction.
> Diane
>
> Ligure "mailto:reiki%40atticmemories.com"[hidden email]> wrote:
> A little correction here:
> It is licorice (true licorice not the candy) that increases the load
> on the heart and yet strengthens the adrenals. As far as I know stevia
> does not cause any imbalances there. BTW, folks that take licorice
> root for adrenal strengthening typically will take hawthorn berry with
> it to counterbalance the extra load on the heart.
>
> Ligure
>
> Quoting Evie :
>
>> Thanks for the info, Ligure!
>>
>> I do use a bit of stevia for sweetening. I was unaware that it
>> affected the heart negatively and the adrenals positively, so that
>> info is very helpful to me, thanks. I used to use honey and
>> molasses (molasses actually probably saved my life about a decade
>> ago when I nearly died from anemia secondary to celiac disease). I
>> no longer can use honey or molasses due to the carb count.
>>
>> My nutritionist is a genius, in my opinion. When I first began
>> seeing him he suggested that I go completely sugar and all types of
>> sweetener-free, save for stevia, because I had turned diabetic
>> within the two years previous to that. Had I seen a medical doctor
>> for this problem, I would now be on meds. However, my nutritionist
>> told me that if I watched my carbs and gave up sugar in all its
>> forms (artificial sweeteners are mostly all sugar alcohols of some
>> sort), I could live the rest of my life free of diabetes, most
>> likely. I did as he suggested and sure enough, within a year of
>> starting the diet he proposed, my blood sugar readings dropped into
>> the normal range. So I am not planning on giving up my sugar-free
>> lifestyle any time soon. Thanks for supporting my cause with all
>> that sugar info, tho. :)
>>
>> Yesterday, my nutritionist suggested that I add coffee to my diet
>> (half a cup 3 or 4 times/day). Today, as I drank my first half cup
>> of coffee in over 20 years, I received a research article from a
>> buddy on my celiac forum regarding the health benefits of drinking
>> coffee on the liver! The study came out just two weeks ago. I'd
>> say my nutritionist is up on his reading. lol I had cirrhosis
>> pre-celiac dx and according to the article, coffee protects
>> alcoholics (and others, such as celiacs), from getting cirrhosis.
>>
>> Thanks again, Ligure,
>> Diane
>> Ligure "mailto:reiki%40atticmemories.com"[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I am glad you found the benefits of quercetin. I don’t know much aboutthe
>> pyrethrin reaction you mention, but as for sugars and sweeteners I can say
>> some:
>>
>> Summary: Avoid them like the plague. They are unwholesome and will cause
>> problems.
>>
>> Details:
>>
>> Refined sugar is usually processed from sugar canes where the sweet part
> is
>> extracted leaving all the nutrients (which are meant to accompany it)
>> behind. The “leftovers” end up as molasses. Molasses is very rich in
>> minerals and is an excellent thing to take for your health at a rate of
>> 1-tbls spoons a day to help build up trace mineral stores and iron. The
>> process of separating the sucrose from the sugar cane involved chemical
>> solvents which can be a concern for those that are chemically sensitive.
>>
>> Artificial sweeteners are worse than sugar itself for a few reasons. 1) It
>> tricks the body into thinking that it will be getting calories and leaves
>> the body hungry for those quick calories. The net result is that you
> usually
>> end up eating more when you take artificial sweeteners because the caloric
>> satiation is not occurring with the taste trigger. 2) Specifically
> aspartame
>> breaks down into methal alcohol and formaldehyde when at body temperature.
>> Neither one of those are good for the chemically sensitive. Aspartame has
>> been traced to several disease conditions which are similar to the common
>> ones listed in this group (e.g. fibromyalgia) and Gulf War Syndrome. 3)
>> Splenda is worse than aspartame because it is directly correlated to
>> depression as well at the common conditions of this group. Again sugar is
>> better for you than the artifical sweeteners.
>>
>> For a natural sweetener, try local (to you) raw honey (can’t find it in
>> stores. You have to go to a bee keeper direct. Interview the bee keeper to
>> make sure they do not feed the bees sugar or antibiotics)-. It helps to
>> desensitize to airborne allergens of the region. Also there is molasses.
>> This is not usually as palatable to some as honey is. The kind to get will
>> have a high amount of iron (and will be organic). Then there is stevia.
>> Depending on the form you get it is 20x sweeter than sugar. There is also
>> licorice powder. This should be used in moderation as it can lead to a
>> heavier load on your heart, but it does strengthen the adrenals.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway Gotta Go for Now,
>>
>>
>>
>> Ligure
>>
>>
>>
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>> From: Evie [mailto:HYPERLINK
> "mailto:evie15422%40yahoo.com"evie15422@yahoo.-com]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 3:29 PM
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>>
>>
>> Hi, Ligure,
>>
>> No wonder I couldn't take primrose oil! I am taking huge amounts of
>> quercetin supplements already! Thanks for the info.
>>
>> And, yes, the quercetin has helped my food intolerances immeasurably. I
> was
>> down to eating only about 5 foods and now I can eat most everything but
>> gluten grains, soy, sugar, sweeteners, and asparagus. I still do avoid
> most
>> processed foods, tho, as I consider them toxinators (well the same with
>> sugar and sweeteners, really. But I avoid those because I have diabetes.)
>>
>> I have had bad reactions since taking quercetin with mold and mildew and
>> also pyrethrins which I had previously not reacted to. I have been
> wondering
>> why I am reacting so badly to those now, all of a sudden, since I had
>> detoxed so successfully recently and I thought quercetin would also help
>> with these. The pyrethrin reaction is not a toxic reaction any longer, as
> it
>> is now "inert". But I am still reacting to it and the company claims it is
>> an allergy to natural pyrethrins.
>>
>> Any comments or suggestions anybody?
>> Thanks again, Ligure,
>> Diane
>>
>> Ligure "mailto:reiki%-40atticmemories.-com"[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>> Ok, since the thought crossed my mind twice in these recent threads, I
>> let it out.
>>
>> I have been researching herbs for allergies and found that one of the
>> active ingredients in plants that help to stop the histamine reaction
>> is quercetin. Evening primrose *leaf* has the highest concentration of
>> quercetin in all plants. In fact it has five time more than the second
>> on the list. BTW, the way quercetin works is by stregthening the cell
>> walls so that he histamine reaction stops cascading to the next cell
>> and causing it to burst and release histamines. Having researched it
>> and usd it I can highly recommend evening primrose leaf tea for
>> allergies. This coupled with nettle would be a great combination.
>>
>> Ligure
>>
>> Quoting Marc Martin "mailto:marc%-40ufoseries.-com"marc@-ufoseries.--com>:
>>
>>>> Very interesting and helpful to read what is helping others.
>>>> I have to say that the number one helpful thing I ever tried, which
>>>> unfortunately I cannot tolerate, was a very high quality, very potent
>>>> fish oil. Anyway, it just about made the e. sens. go away, but it
>>>> also made me feel like I had the flu (fever, chills, body aches, etc.).
>>>
>>> Sounds like a detox reaction, meaning that the fish oil is really
>>> good for you, but you need to be very careful about taking low enough
>>> doses so that you can stand taking it. Eventually you should be able
>>> to take a normal dose.
>>>
>>> I have also tried a variety of fatty acid supplements -- cod liver oil,
>>> salmon oil, krill oil, flax seed oil, evening primrose oil, borage oil,
>>> olive oil, emu oil, chia seeds, etc. I have noticed that some
>>> definitely
>>> reduce my ES symptoms (e.g, evening primrose), and I have also noticed
>>> that
>>> I can hardly stand taking others (cod liver, chia). So they do seem
>>> relevant to all of this.
>>>
>>> I also noticed that eating raw egg yolks helps a lot with my ES
>>> symptoms,
>>> I don't know if this is due to the fatty acids or the lecithin or
>>> something else. But this also caused detox symptoms for me...
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
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