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PUK
Just got me a Honda HRV on a 99 plate, sadly I brought it on impulse as my  
simple Fiat Punto 60 gave up the ghost. The HRV really induces fatigue,  
nervousness, agitation, I should have tested it with a trifeild meter before I
 handed over the cash, perhaps I was in denial but I really like these  
cars.
 I will drive it for a while longer and then sell it probably at a  loss
!!!!
 
PUK -

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Russ
You could also be reacting to the chemical off-gassing if it's a relavtively new car.  New cars are horrible in this regard.

--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:

>
> Just got me a Honda HRV on a 99 plate, sadly I brought it on impulse as my  
> simple Fiat Punto 60 gave up the ghost. The HRV really induces fatigue,  
> nervousness, agitation, I should have tested it with a trifeild meter before I
>  handed over the cash, perhaps I was in denial but I really like these  
> cars.
>  I will drive it for a while longer and then sell it probably at a  loss
> !!!!
>  
> PUK -
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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PUK
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no its 1999, it gives off 10mg at head level and doors plus some sort of  
khz signal coming from the door ?  I feel really agitated/ill within 30  
seconds of turning on the ignition.  Tried to remove fuses but the wiring  set
up does not allow for this in any great detail.
 
puk - its going to have to go.
 
 
In a message dated 09/07/2012 19:39:48 GMT Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
You could also be reacting to the chemical off-gassing if it's a  
relavtively new car. New cars are horrible in this regard.

--- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , paulpjc@...
 wrote:
>
> Just got me a Honda HRV on a 99 plate, sadly I brought  it on impulse as
my
> simple Fiat Punto 60 gave up the ghost. The HRV  really induces fatigue,
> nervousness, agitation, I should have tested  it with a trifeild meter
before I
> handed over the cash, perhaps I was  in denial but I really like these
> cars.
> I will drive it for a  while longer and then sell it probably at a loss
> !!!!
>  
> PUK -
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been  removed]
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C.a.b. Johnson
Puk,

We talked about "Cars and Hot Feet" on April 18, 2012.  At that time I said that I am also having horrible reactions to driving in cars, and it definitely has nothing to do with chemical reactions, it is from EMF's.   It is so bad, that just driving in my 6 cyclinder for 15 minutes can make my feet go numb and I can get thyroid pain, and a list of other symptoms that can last for days due to EMF assault.

Marc suggested getting an EMF protection device and said that he used a Quantum Auto-Clear for years that plugs into the 12v cigarette lighter Jack.  That might be an option for driving in a car that is not your own or that you are not planning on keeping. 

Bill  Bruno suggested to disconnect the alternator and go with solar charging.  But I was not too clear on what kind of solar device to get or how to do it, since it takes about 15 AMPs to run the car down the road, it seems like you would need a fairly large solar set up.  I am not clear on this alternative.  Perhaps Bill Bruno could put the instructions on a website?

I don't know if this has been discussed on the list before, but does anyone know of car models with the least EMF's??

I am going to have to start looking for another car too.  But I don't have a clue what to get.  I imagine driving a moped, scooter or motorcycle would be really bad, or would it?  Would a moped be better for going to the store and around the neighborhood than a car as far as EMF exposure?

If anyone has any luck dealing with EMF's from motor vehicles, please let us know.  I am in pain.

C. Johnson
[hidden email]
Wireless Refugee




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To: [hidden email]
 

--- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , paulpjc@......wrote:

>

Just got me a Honda HRV on a 99 plate, sadly I brought  it on impulse as

my simple Fiat Punto 60 gave up the ghost. The HRV  really induces fatigue,

nervousness, agitation, I should have tested  it with a trifeild meter

before I handed over the cash, perhaps I was  in denial but I really like these
 cars.I will drive it for a  while longer and then sell it probably at a loss!!!!

>  

> PUK -

>









 





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PUK
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RE Cars and EMF, a guy on this site has measured tons of cars and their  
specific emfs, but cant remember who, he has a website for sure ? It will come
 to me eventually or someone else. I measured the Honda yesterday, (I  have
had weakness/fatigue especially in my legs since getting the car, plus  
usual foggy-muzziness and heavy feeling in my eyes) anyhow we are talking 10  
plus Mg in the driver seat, head area and foot well ! I also have a 2001  reg
renault scenic 2.0ltr  auto, it used to drive me potty until I removed  the
air/humidity sensor/fan situated by the rear veiw mirror see youtube vid  
(also plasma tv hell on my channel) _http://youtu.be/0zOtlhCHrWE_
(http://youtu.be/0zOtlhCHrWE)
 
I have given the Honda to my wife until I can figure out what to do,  
basically I will repair my Fiat Punto 1.2 8v simple run around.
 
As far as motorcycles are concerened I intend to get one, but I will test  
emf first as they can be pretty high in the seat area, so you have to think  
about your nether regions and prostate, however since my head will be quite
some  distance from the workings of the bike I hope to be ok.
 
Puk
 
 
In a message dated 11/07/2012 05:15:47 GMT Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
Puk,

We talked about "Cars and Hot Feet" on April 18, 2012.  At  that time I
said that I am also having horrible reactions to driving in cars,  and it
definitely has nothing to do with chemical reactions, it is from EMF's.  It is so
bad, that just driving in my 6 cyclinder for 15 minutes can  make my feet
go numb and I can get thyroid pain, and a list of other symptoms  that can
last for days due to EMF assault.

Marc suggested getting an  EMF protection device and said that he used a
Quantum Auto-Clear for years  that plugs into the 12v cigarette lighter Jack.  
That might be an option  for driving in a car that is not your own or that
you are not planning on  keeping.  

Bill  Bruno suggested to disconnect the alternator  and go with solar
charging.  But I was not too clear on what kind of  solar device to get or how to
do it, since it takes about 15 AMPs to run the  car down the road, it seems
like you would need a fairly large solar set  up.  I am not clear on this
alternative.  Perhaps Bill Bruno could  put the instructions on a website?

I don't know if this has been  discussed on the list before, but does
anyone know of car models with the  least EMF's??

I am going to have to start looking for another car  too.  But I don't have
a clue what to get.  I imagine driving a  moped, scooter or motorcycle
would be really bad, or would it?  Would a  moped be better for going to the
store and around the neighborhood than a car  as far as EMF exposure?

If anyone has any luck dealing with EMF's from  motor vehicles, please let
us know.  I am in pain.

C.  Johnson
_superdrove@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Wireless  Refugee

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(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) ,  
paulpjc@......wrote:

>

Just got me a Honda HRV on a 99 plate,  sadly I brought it on impulse as

my simple Fiat Punto 60 gave up the  ghost. The HRV really induces fatigue,

nervousness, agitation, I  should have tested it with a trifeild meter

before I handed over the  cash, perhaps I was in denial but I really like
these
cars.I will  drive it for a while longer and then sell it probably at a  
loss!!!!

>

> PUK -

>

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Snoshoe
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I recently bought a ground strap for cars from lessemf. That
might be helpful.

It's stopped me from getting shocked every time I get out, and relieves
some of the electrical pressure I feel build up on my body driving around.  I do seem to feel better driving since having it on. It doesn't help my head, but at least it brings some relief.

~ Snoshoe

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Debra
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I am very interested in this. i have old cars, maybe i don't realize how lucky I am (not to be able to afford a new one) so here is my concern..if i should get so lucky... how do i test a vehicle, how long do I have to be in it to notice a problem and how could I get a rental on a trifield meter if that is necessary to test? And is there a site that may have this kind of info available already..??

 
Debi
 
Jesus is coming.....Be Ready....Don't make him cry
see www.debsholisticallyhealthy.blogspot.com 
http ://www.healingcancernaturally.com/budwig_protocol.html

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S Andreason
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Hi Paul,

This assumes that only exposing your head to high milliGauss levels of
magnetic field is worse than your feet, or your mid-section.

For Debi and Cab,

For me, just getting in a vehicle, testing the ambient magnetic field
with a Dr.Gauss meter, (to make sure there are no hidden power lines
around to muddy up the test), and then starting the engine, is basically
enough for me to determine if the vehicle is tolerable. The field
strength can go up when the vehicle (and transmission) is in motion, but
if it fails the first 5-30 seconds test, either by reading the meter, or
feeling a headache winding up, then it is a no-go.

Stewart, who drives a 84 Chev Diesel pickup, and a 86 Chev Diesel pickup
(dad's), getting 18-21 MPG.

ps. Look for a diesel car, can get mid 30's MPG.



[hidden email] wrote:
> As far as motorcycles are concerened I intend to get one, but I will test  
> emf first as they can be pretty high in the seat area, so you have to think  
> about your nether regions and prostate, however since my head will be quite
> some  distance from the workings of the bike I hope to be ok.
>  


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Marc Martin
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On July 12, Debi <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I am very interested in this. i have old cars, maybe i don't realize
> how lucky I am (not to be able to afford a new one) so here is my concern..
> if i should get so lucky... how do i test a vehicle, how long do I have to be in
> it to notice a problem and how could I get a rental on a trifield meter if that is
> necessary to test? And is there a site that may have this kind of info available already..??

The only way to really know if you will react to driving a certain car is to test
drive it.   And for as long as possible, in case you develop symptoms after
hours of driving.  

And even then, there are no guarantees  When I first got my current car,
it caused me no problems at all.  However, years later I had a bad
reaction to an ionic footbath, and all of a sudden this same car now
was a problem!  Fortunately, after many months (years) of recovering
from that setback, it is now again not a problem.

In general, I'd say that the newer the car, the more likely it would cause
problems.  Especially with all of the new computer technology that they've
been putting into cars since the late 1990s... (my car is a 2006, but
fortunately has a fairly low-tech dashboard)

Marc
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PUK
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best thing for me is to find a car with low emf especially at head/torso  
level - could strip out the car, and rub the electrics on a solar charger or  
wind turbine or perhaps put a switch on the alternator to turn it off and
on  ?
 
puk
 
 
In a message dated 11/07/2012 20:06:51 GMT Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
I recently bought a ground strap for cars from lessemf. That
might be  helpful.

It's stopped me from getting shocked every time I get out, and  relieves
some of the electrical pressure I feel build up on my body driving  around.
I do seem to feel better driving since having it on. It doesn't help  my
head, but at least it brings some relief.

~  Snoshoe






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JD
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>
>Just got me a Honda HRV on a 99 plate ... The HRV really induces fatigue,
>nervousness, agitation, I should have tested it with a trifeild meter before
>I handed over the cash......
>


Has anyone mentioned that steel-belted tires (about the only type available)
emit large, VLF and ELF magnetic fields (including human brainwave frequencies)
when (these tires) are rolling?

And in the smaller cars, the driver and passengers sit very close to the
spinning tires, where the magnetic fields are the strongest, and have the
strongest biological, endocrine, genetic and neurological effects.

Same problem in trucks, busses and vans, where the driver and/or passengers sit
directly over the tires, in the strongest magnetic fields. (Prostate cancer?)

"Degaussed" and new tires are much better.. Are your tires safely degaussed?

See below!

JD

_______

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16404172

Health Phys. 2006 Feb;90(2):148-53. PMID: 16404172

Low frequency magnetic fields induced by car tire magnetization.

Stankowski S, Kessi A, Bécheiraz O, Meier-Engel K, Meier M.
Berne University of Applied Sciences at Biel, Quellgasse 21, CH-2500 Biel, Switzerland. [hidden email]

Abstract .. Alternating magnetic fields have been measured in a variety of different cars, the dominant contribution being from magnetized tires. Magnetic field strengths have been measured as a function of frequency directly at the tires and at different positions in rolling cars. Measurements at the tires showed field strengths up to 100 microtesla (microT). In the interior of rolling cars, close to the wheels at foot regions and at the back seat, field strengths of several microT were obtained in the 10-200 hertz (Hz) frequency domain. In some cases measured field values were considerably higher than those found in previous studies. Purposely magnetizing single tires made it possible to study the influence of various parameters. Degaussed tires retained low field values over prolonged time under conditions of normal use.

( Full text PDF -
http://www.scribd.com/doc/57978691/PDF-of-Radial-Tyers-History )

_______


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10495309

Bioelectromagnetics. 1999 Oct;20(7):440-5. PMID: 10495309

Magnetic fields from steel-belted radial tires: implications for epidemiologic studies.

Milham S, Hatfield JB, Tell R.
Gravelly Beach Loop NW, Olympia, Washington. [hidden email]

Abstract .. Magnetic fields emanate from radial tires due to the presence of reinforcing belts which are made of magnetized steel wire. When these tires spin, they generate alternating magnetic fields of extremely low frequency (ELF), usually below 20 Hz. The fundamental frequency of these fields is determined by tire rotation rate and has a sinusoidal waveform with a high harmonic content. The static field of radial tires can exceed 500 microT at the tread, and the tire-generated alternating fields can exceed 2.0 microT at seat level in the passenger compartment of vehicles. Degaussing the tires reduces both the static and alternating fields to low levels, but the fields increase gradually over time after degaussing. The tire-generated fields are below the frequencies detected by most of the magnetic field meters used in previous studies of power frequency magnetic field health effects. If these fields are biologically active, failure to detect them could compromise exposure assessments associated with epidemiologic studies.

( Full text PDF -
http://www.sammilham.com/Magnetic%20fields%20from%20steel-belted%20radial%20tires.pdf )






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PUK
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thanks - I had forgotten that, in the case of the HRV its just the  wiring
 
puk
 
 
In a message dated 14/07/2012 20:19:02 GMT Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
>
>Just got me a Honda HRV on a 99 plate ... The HRV really  induces fatigue,
>nervousness, agitation, I should have tested it with a  trifeild meter
before
>I handed over the cash......
>

Has  anyone mentioned that steel-belted tires (about the only type
available)  
emit large, VLF and ELF magnetic fields (including human brainwave  
frequencies)
when (these tires) are rolling?

And in the smaller  cars, the driver and passengers sit very close to the
spinning tires,  where the magnetic fields are the strongest, and have the
strongest  biological, endocrine, genetic and neurological effects.

Same problem  in trucks, busses and vans, where the driver and/or
passengers sit  
directly over the tires, in the strongest magnetic fields. (Prostate  
cancer?)

"Degaussed" and new tires are much better.. Are your tires  safely
degaussed?

See below!

JD

_______

_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16404172_
(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16404172)

Health  Phys. 2006 Feb;90(2):148-53. PMID: 16404172

Low frequency magnetic  fields induced by car tire magnetization.

Stankowski S, Kessi A,  Bécheiraz O, Meier-Engel K, Meier M.
Berne University of Applied Sciences  at Biel, Quellgasse 21, CH-2500 Biel,
Switzerland. _stefan.stankowski@bfh.ch_ (mailto:[hidden email])

Abstract  .. Alternating magnetic fields have been measured in a variety of
different  cars, the dominant contribution being from magnetized tires.
Magnetic field  strengths have been measured as a function of frequency
directly at the tires  and at different positions in rolling cars. Measurements at
the tires showed  field strengths up to 100 microtesla (microT). In the
interior of rolling  cars, close to the wheels at foot regions and at the back
seat, field  strengths of several microT were obtained in the 10-200 hertz
(Hz) frequency  domain. In some cases measured field values were considerably
higher than  those found in previous studies. Purposely magnetizing single
tires made it  possible to study the influence of various parameters.
Degaussed tires  retained low field values over prolonged time under conditions of
normal  use.

( Full text PDF -
_http://www.scribd.com/doc/57978691/PDF-of-Radial-Tyers-History_
(http://www.scribd.com/doc/57978691/PDF-of-Radial-Tyers-History)   )

_______

_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10495309_
(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10495309)

Bioelectromagnetics.  1999 Oct;20(7):440-5. PMID: 10495309

Magnetic fields from steel-belted  radial tires: implications for
epidemiologic studies.

Milham S,  Hatfield JB, Tell R.
Gravelly Beach Loop NW, Olympia, Washington. _smilham@halcyon.com_
(mailto:[hidden email])

Abstract ..  Magnetic fields emanate from radial tires due to the presence
of reinforcing  belts which are made of magnetized steel wire. When these
tires spin, they  generate alternating magnetic fields of extremely low
frequency (ELF), usually  below 20 Hz. The fundamental frequency of these fields
is determined by tire  rotation rate and has a sinusoidal waveform with a
high harmonic content. The  static field of radial tires can exceed 500 microT
at the tread, and the  tire-generated alternating fields can exceed 2.0
microT at seat level in the  passenger compartment of vehicles. Degaussing the
tires reduces both the  static and alternating fields to low levels, but the
fields increase gradually  over time after degaussing. The tire-generated
fields are below the  frequencies detected by most of the magnetic field
meters used in previous  studies of power frequency magnetic field health
effects. If these fields are  biologically active, failure to detect them could
compromise exposure  assessments associated with epidemiologic studies.

( Full text PDF -  
_http://www.sammilham.com/Magnetic%20fields%20from%20steel-belted%20radial%2
0tires.pdf_
(http://www.sammilham.com/Magnetic%20fields%20from%20steel-belted%20radial%20tires.pdf)   )

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Christina Steils
My jeep Cherokee is no problem. All three Cherokees have had no problems. But a small 1999 Suzuki Vitra. Wow within 2 mins im a wreck, sick, headaches dizzy!!! Ford Fiesta and a Old Volvo 240 1999 is good no problems.

Giles


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 From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012, 21:01
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF IN HONDA HRV CAR
 

 
thanks - I had forgotten that, in the case of the HRV its just the  wiring

puk


In a message dated 14/07/2012 20:19:02 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

>
>Just got me a Honda HRV on a 99 plate ... The HRV really  induces fatigue,
>nervousness, agitation, I should have tested it with a  trifeild meter
before
>I handed over the cash......
>

Has  anyone mentioned that steel-belted tires (about the only type
available)
emit large, VLF and ELF magnetic fields (including human brainwave
frequencies)
when (these tires) are rolling?

And in the smaller  cars, the driver and passengers sit very close to the
spinning tires,  where the magnetic fields are the strongest, and have the
strongest  biological, endocrine, genetic and neurological effects.

Same problem  in trucks, busses and vans, where the driver and/or
passengers sit
directly over the tires, in the strongest magnetic fields. (Prostate
cancer?)

"Degaussed" and new tires are much better.. Are your tires  safely
degaussed?

See below!

JD

_______

_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16404172_
(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16404172)

Health  Phys. 2006 Feb;90(2):148-53. PMID: 16404172

Low frequency magnetic  fields induced by car tire magnetization.

Stankowski S, Kessi A,  Bécheiraz O, Meier-Engel K, Meier M.
Berne University of Applied Sciences  at Biel, Quellgasse 21, CH-2500 Biel,
Switzerland. _stefan.stankowski@bfh.ch_ (mailto:[hidden email])

Abstract  .. Alternating magnetic fields have been measured in a variety of
different  cars, the dominant contribution being from magnetized tires.
Magnetic field  strengths have been measured as a function of frequency
directly at the tires  and at different positions in rolling cars. Measurements at
the tires showed  field strengths up to 100 microtesla (microT). In the
interior of rolling  cars, close to the wheels at foot regions and at the back
seat, field  strengths of several microT were obtained in the 10-200 hertz
(Hz) frequency  domain. In some cases measured field values were considerably
higher than  those found in previous studies. Purposely magnetizing single
tires made it  possible to study the influence of various parameters.
Degaussed tires  retained low field values over prolonged time under conditions of
normal  use.

( Full text PDF -
_http://www.scribd.com/doc/57978691/PDF-of-Radial-Tyers-History_
(http://www.scribd.com/doc/57978691/PDF-of-Radial-Tyers-History)   )

_______

_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10495309_
(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10495309)

Bioelectromagnetics.  1999 Oct;20(7):440-5. PMID: 10495309

Magnetic fields from steel-belted  radial tires: implications for
epidemiologic studies.

Milham S,  Hatfield JB, Tell R.
Gravelly Beach Loop NW, Olympia, Washington. _smilham@halcyon.com_
(mailto:[hidden email])

Abstract ..  Magnetic fields emanate from radial tires due to the presence
of reinforcing  belts which are made of magnetized steel wire. When these
tires spin, they  generate alternating magnetic fields of extremely low
frequency (ELF), usually  below 20 Hz. The fundamental frequency of these fields
is determined by tire  rotation rate and has a sinusoidal waveform with a
high harmonic content. The  static field of radial tires can exceed 500 microT
at the tread, and the  tire-generated alternating fields can exceed 2.0
microT at seat level in the  passenger compartment of vehicles. Degaussing the
tires reduces both the  static and alternating fields to low levels, but the
fields increase gradually  over time after degaussing. The tire-generated
fields are below the  frequencies detected by most of the magnetic field
meters used in previous  studies of power frequency magnetic field health
effects. If these fields are  biologically active, failure to detect them could
compromise exposure  assessments associated with epidemiologic studies.

( Full text PDF -
_http://www.sammilham.com/Magnetic%20fields%20from%20steel-belted%20radial%2
0tires.pdf_
(http://www.sammilham.com/Magnetic%20fields%20from%20steel-belted%20radial%20tires.pdf)   )

..

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PUK
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Hi Giles - for me the fiestas over say 1995ish give me a mild stomach pain,
 it happens in all the fiestas I have tried.  As far as the HRV is
concerned  its as if it switches on my adrenals to leak and send my body into sick
mode  until I escape !!!
 
Paul
 
 
In a message dated 14/07/2012 23:21:15 GMT Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
My jeep Cherokee is no problem. All three Cherokees have had no problems.  
But a small 1999 Suzuki Vitra. Wow within 2 mins im a wreck, sick, headaches
 dizzy!!! Ford Fiesta and a Old Volvo 240 1999 is good no  problems.

Giles

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From: "_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) " <_paulpjc@aol.com_
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To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])  
Sent:  Saturday, 14 July 2012, 21:01
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF IN HONDA HRV  CAR



thanks - I had forgotten that, in the case of the  HRV its just the wiring

puk

In a message dated 14/07/2012  20:19:02 GMT Daylight Time,
_emailresearch@verizon.net_ (mailto:[hidden email])   writes:

>
>Just got me a Honda HRV on a 99 plate ... The HRV  really induces fatigue,
>nervousness, agitation, I should have tested it  with a trifeild meter
before
>I handed over the  cash......
>

Has anyone mentioned that steel-belted tires (about  the only type
available)
emit large, VLF and ELF magnetic fields  (including human brainwave
frequencies)
when (these tires) are  rolling?

And in the smaller cars, the driver and passengers sit very  close to the
spinning tires, where the magnetic fields are the strongest,  and have the
strongest biological, endocrine, genetic and neurological  effects.

Same problem in trucks, busses and vans, where the driver  and/or
passengers sit
directly over the tires, in the strongest  magnetic fields. (Prostate
cancer?)

"Degaussed" and new tires are  much better.. Are your tires safely
degaussed?

See  below!

JD

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__http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16404172__
(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16404172_)  
(_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16404172_
(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16404172) )  

Health Phys. 2006 Feb;90(2):148-53. PMID: 16404172

Low  frequency magnetic fields induced by car tire magnetization.

Stankowski  S, Kessi A, Bécheiraz O, Meier-Engel K, Meier M.
Berne University of  Applied Sciences at Biel, Quellgasse 21, CH-2500 Biel,
Switzerland. __stefan.stankowski@bfh.ch_ (mailto:[hidden email])
_  (mailto:_stefan.stankowski@bfh.ch_ (mailto:[hidden email]) )  

Abstract .. Alternating magnetic fields have been measured in a  variety of
different cars, the dominant contribution being from magnetized  tires.
Magnetic field strengths have been measured as a function of  frequency
directly at the tires and at different positions in rolling  cars.
Measurements at
the tires showed field strengths up to 100  microtesla (microT). In the
interior of rolling cars, close to the wheels  at foot regions and at the
back
seat, field strengths of several microT  were obtained in the 10-200 hertz
(Hz) frequency domain. In some cases  measured field values were
considerably
higher than those found in  previous studies. Purposely magnetizing single
tires made it possible to  study the influence of various parameters.
Degaussed tires retained low  field values over prolonged time under
conditions of
normal use.

(  Full text PDF -
__http://www.scribd.com/doc/57978691/PDF-of-Radial-Tyers-History__
(http://www.scribd.com/doc/57978691/PDF-of-Radial-Tyers-History_)  
(_http://www.scribd.com/doc/57978691/PDF-of-Radial-Tyers-History_
(http://www.scribd.com/doc/57978691/PDF-of-Radial-Tyers-History) )  )

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__http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10495309__
(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10495309_)  
(_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10495309_
(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10495309) )  

Bioelectromagnetics. 1999 Oct;20(7):440-5. PMID:  10495309

Magnetic fields from steel-belted radial tires: implications  for
epidemiologic studies.

Milham S, Hatfield JB, Tell  R.
Gravelly Beach Loop NW, Olympia, Washington. __smilham@halcyon.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_smilham@halcyon.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) )

Abstract  .. Magnetic fields emanate from radial tires due to the presence
of  reinforcing belts which are made of magnetized steel wire. When these  
tires spin, they generate alternating magnetic fields of extremely low  
frequency (ELF), usually below 20 Hz. The fundamental frequency of these  
fields
is determined by tire rotation rate and has a sinusoidal waveform  with a
high harmonic content. The static field of radial tires can exceed  500
microT
at the tread, and the tire-generated alternating fields can  exceed 2.0
microT at seat level in the passenger compartment of vehicles.  Degaussing
the
tires reduces both the static and alternating fields to low  levels, but
the
fields increase gradually over time after degaussing. The  tire-generated
fields are below the frequencies detected by most of the  magnetic field
meters used in previous studies of power frequency magnetic  field health
effects. If these fields are biologically active, failure to  detect them
could
compromise exposure assessments associated with  epidemiologic studies.

( Full text PDF -
__http://www.sammilham.com/Magnetic%20fields%20from%20steel-belted%20radial%
2_
(http://www.sammilham.com/Magnetic%20fields%20from%20steel-belted%20radial)
0tires.pdf_  
(_http://www.sammilham.com/Magnetic%20fields%20from%20steel-belted%20radial%
20tires.pdf_
(http://www.sammilham.com/Magnetic%20fields%20from%20steel-belted%20radial%20tires.pdf) )  )

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