EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat.

Diane,

Thank you. I agree plants are needed for 02.


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      Hi Kathy,

 

I have a vinyl air mattress.  It has a removable pump, the in-pump ones will have wires.  I out-gassed the mattress for a couple months outside under a car port.  I then bought an anti-allergenic mattress cover which was all organic cotton and covered the vinyl mattress with that.  I then bought a feather bed topper (which was "hyper cleaned" and had no smell) for on top (this allows me not to sweat from the vinyl). I then covered all of this with 2 organic cotton flannel sheets.  I then cover this with my regular cotton bedsheets and bedding.  I smell nothing and I am a human smell detector.  I do also keep plants in my rooms to keep chemical smells out, as well.  

 

Plants absorb chemical gasses and put out fresh air.  Most MCS people think they cannot have plants, but you can if you know what you are doing and learn to take care of plants well.  You have to be picky about cleanliness and watering correctly.

 

You could get the same benefit from 2 flat washed organic cotton sheets in which you encase cotton quilt batting insteaad of the feather topper.  [You would have to machine or hand sew the 2 sheets together on 3 sides and then roll the batting into the pillowcase-like bag.  After you get the batting in, you would need to sew the remaining side closed.  All this is easy and doable for anyone with any or no sewing skill.  From here, you will need to pin down the batting every foot or so.  Then you can, by hand or machine, sew basting stitches to hold the batting stable so it doesn't shift.  By machine, you will want to use the longest stitch available.  You can create 6" to foot wide blocks or channels.]  You can also buy these toppers made up, but not all are smell-free. 

 

THis all sounds like alot of work, I imagine.  It is not that much piddling with once you have it on the bed.  I need only change my top flannel sheet once or twice a year.  The rest smells fine and is not ever in a situation of getting dirty in the first place.  I put the mattress in my regular wooden bed frame.  It required a piece of non-voc painted plywood, cut to size, in place of slats.  Also I turned the bed frame side supports upside down so the mattress would appear higher, since I don't have any box springs.

 

What I am also saying is, this can also be done with an organic latex type mattress.  Once you get it off-gassed and encased, you notice little residual odors.

 

Diane

 

 



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Hi again, Steve, Kathy, and Others,
 
A person here (?Kathy, I think), made mention of someone stating calcium was not good for people with ES to take.  I disagree.  If you need calcium, you need calcium.  When your body is deficient of anything, it is detrimental to you to remain deficient.  Your body runs on nutrients!  That said, you don't want to over take any nutrients.  However, if I would have ever taken too much of any nutrient, it would have been calcium.  I am still here, folks!  I got better ES-wise still taking my calcium.  That said, after I have gotten better, I have not continued taking it.  I now take it only when needed (when ES symptoms develop).  And I am not saying everyone here is deficient of calcium.  Only those who have particular symptoms are likely deficient. 
 
Go very slowly with the cal/ pantethine if you are in fibro pain, Steve.  When I first started it, I was also on supplements to support my liver and kidneys.....  I also needed molybdenum, B vits...  I had had bad fibro for decades, but was able to overcome that when I went totally gluten-free.  [I mean 100% gf--no lotions, no glutens in my house, no going out to restaurants.....  I found glutens were at the root of all my health problems--even auto-immune ones.]  I think you said previously you are gf; how long completely gf?  It took me about a year before I was better fibro-wise, after quitting glutens.  I eventually found that I reacted very badly to trace glutens in the atmosphere.  I corresponded with another woman with the same story--she had to remove her forced-air heating ducts (they were circulating gluten dust) before she could fully recover.  I imagine it took about a year for all the gluten dust to get cleaned up in my house, and
 we didn't have a ducted furnace, so that may have been why it took so long for my fibro to respond.  Just saying, to those whose fibro isn't better after going gf, know it doesn't happen over night.
 
My liver was also really bad when I went gf (I still have liver scarring from cirrhosis, caused by gluten damage).  I worked, with the nutritionist's help, first on that, before working on the chronic fatigue with the Cal AEP.  (That was what I first took cal AEP for.)  When I started the cal/pantethine I got bad fibro for a month (This was after I had initially been symptom free from fibro for 3 years).  It did finally pass, but you will not likely feel better fibro-wise for awhile.  You need to know this.  I personally believe I need to go with supplements even when they make me temporarily ill.  But that said, you want to be prepared and pack as little cal AEP and pantethine into empty capsules as possible.  If you have a bad reaction one day, skip the next day's dose.  Give your body a chance to catch up. 
 
Good luck; I hope it isn't as bad as I made it sound for you,  ;)
Diane

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Well, I will start with one of each and see what happens. Right now I'm in mega fibro pain anyway

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:  adrenal insufficiency and lymphatic overload.  I found
> the manganese and taurine
> > searching for ways to close leaking calcium channels.  [I have long suspected damaged tight junctions and ion channel pathways are at least partly to blame for my reactions to emfs.  I appear to have blood brain barrier tight junction damage.  Also I appear to have calcium ion-channel problems.  When the tight junctions do not properly close, the calcium can leak from that cell and it takes manganese to close the tight junction again.]  I usually take the cal and pantethine now only when my bp tanks, but previously, for adrenal and lymphatic overload, I worked my way up to very high amounts for over a year + timeframe under the care of a nutritionist.  Not everybody who tries this (cal AEP and pantethine) finds it helpful, which leads me to think one needs precursor supplementation, as
 well (which I also did), which are very person specific.  Calcium, pantethine, and co Q 10 (which I








     

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hi Linda,
 
Hope this supplementation works for you.  Btw, it is pantethine (a form of B5) which is necessary to take with calcium AEP, not taurine.  Taurine might also help you, tho, especially if you have more than the usual need for calcium.           
 
Wish you the best,
Diane

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Thanks for the information. I will try the taurine and calcium. I have to go slow. I just started vervain. It's for the nerves. It has calmed them down a little. It's been so cold lately it might be the cold that has my nerves frozen, not the herb vervain that has helped. I will have to give it a little more time and see what happens.

--- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@...> wrote:  the manganese and taurine
> > searching for ways to close leaking calcium channels.  [I have long suspected damaged tight junctions and ion channel pathways are at least partly to blame for my reactions to emfs.  I appear to have blood brain barrier tight junction damage.  Also I appear to have calcium ion-channel problems.  When the tight junctions do not properly close, the calcium can leak from that cell and it takes manganese to close the tight junction again.]  I usually take the cal and pantethine now only when my bp tanks, but previously, for adrenal and lymphatic overload, I worked my way up to very high amounts for over a year + timeframe under the care of a nutritionist.  Not everybody who tries this (cal AEP and pantethine) finds it helpful, which leads me to think one needs precursor supplementation, as well (which I also did), which are very person specific.  Calcium, pantethine, and co Q 10 (which I
 also took/ take--tho spuratically now) are the 3
> > most essential nutrients for the adrenals and lymphatic system.  In those of us with autonomic nervous system symptoms, it does, however, appear that lymphatic overload and adrenal exhaustion is involved.  So this is a good place to start working on to heal.  Supplementation can be effective.  Homeopathy can also be effective in in helping to heal these organs if you can find a very good homeopathist in your area.  It is also likely you need to work on your liver, as it is often dysfunctional when your lymphatic system is overworked.  Just suggestions to look into. 
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> > Hope you all find therapies which work for you,
> > Diane
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Diane,

I think I am deficient in cal. We all need minerals as you said. The key is go slow like you said. I remember when I did take it, helped less ringing. Don't overdue it anyone.

Do you take any magnesium to balance calcium?

I'm with you on gluten allergies.My son & I are GFCF.  I've been GFCF for 1 1/2 yrs. Found wheat allergy at 19 & ignored it, not many food choices years ago.
When I quit sinus pressure cleared for the 1st time & less arthritis.

I have a problem w having  GFin the  house. Husband won't quit. I can see their wheat reactions.  Reacted to him boiling wheat pasta, but buys it cooked. Older daughter & him bake pizzas. I have to leave the room. Cheese smells awful to me now.

When waiting at a deli section of the store have to get away fast, the gluten in the air from pasta causes minor anaphlaxis. Makes you feel alone to avoid restaurants, but cooking for yourself, you know what's in it.

I've been wanting to clean the ducts. Anyone have RSD systmes? I jammed a foot in summer & the pain
felt like it just happened for 2 days. I thought wasn't possible. Left but wound up spreading. I'm sure it's tied w ES too.


Kathy

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      Hi again, Steve, Kathy, and Others,

 

A person here (?Kathy, I think), made mention of someone stating calcium was not good for people with ES to take.  I disagree.  If you need calcium, you need calcium.  When your body is deficient of anything, it is detrimental to you to remain deficient.  Your body runs on nutrients!  That said, you don't want to over take any nutrients.  However, if I would have ever taken too much of any nutrient, it would have been calcium.  I am still here, folks!  I got better ES-wise still taking my calcium.  That said, after I have gotten better, I have not continued taking it.  I now take it only when needed (when ES symptoms develop).  And I am not saying everyone here is deficient of calcium.  Only those who have particular symptoms are likely deficient. 

 

Go very slowly with the cal/ pantethine if you are in fibro pain, Steve.  When I first started it, I was also on supplements to support my liver and kidneys.....  I also needed molybdenum, B vits...  I had had bad fibro for decades, but was able to overcome that when I went totally gluten-free.  [I mean 100% gf--no lotions, no glutens in my house, no going out to restaurants.....  I found glutens were at the root of all my health problems--even auto-immune ones.]  I think you said previously you are gf; how long completely gf?  It took me about a year before I was better fibro-wise, after quitting glutens.  I eventually found that I reacted very badly to trace glutens in the atmosphere.  I corresponded with another woman with the same story--she had to remove her forced-air heating ducts (they were circulating gluten dust) before she could fully recover.  I imagine it took about a year for all the gluten dust to get cleaned up in my house, and

 we didn't have a ducted furnace, so that may have been why it took so long for my fibro to respond.  Just saying, to those whose fibro isn't better after going gf, know it doesn't happen over night.

 

My liver was also really bad when I went gf (I still have liver scarring from cirrhosis, caused by gluten damage).  I worked, with the nutritionist's help, first on that, before working on the chronic fatigue with the Cal AEP.  (That was what I first took cal AEP for.)  When I started the cal/pantethine I got bad fibro for a month (This was after I had initially been symptom free from fibro for 3 years).  It did finally pass, but you will not likely feel better fibro-wise for awhile.  You need to know this.  I personally believe I need to go with supplements even when they make me temporarily ill.  But that said, you want to be prepared and pack as little cal AEP and pantethine into empty capsules as possible.  If you have a bad reaction one day, skip the next day's dose.  Give your body a chance to catch up. 

 

Good luck; I hope it isn't as bad as I made it sound for you,  ;)

Diane



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Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat.

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Well, I will start with one of each and see what happens. Right now I'm in mega fibro pain anyway



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> Hope it works for you, Steve.  Remember it might make things worse for awhile when you start it.  Especially if you are dealing with candida.  Cal AEP works with candida like a "trojan horse".  Candida likes to highjack calcium in your body, so it gobbles up the cal AEP.  Then once the cal is in the candida bio-structure, the AEP releases and kills the candida colony.  So if you are candida bait, know you will react badly to cal AEP with die-off.  It will make almost everything worse at first.  This is why you have to VERY SLOWLY work your way up on it.  I can not stress this enough (tho I have over the years I have been here).  ;)  Last year--around ?spring or early summer? I think, I sent an indepth email about how to start Cal AEP.  If anyone cannot find it, I can probably resend privately, if anyone asks.

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> Good luck,

> Diane

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> Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat.

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> Interesting info, thanks. I happen to have calcium aep and pantethine in my cabinet and will try this. I will also make sure I take the taurine every day. I already take CoQ10

> Steve

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> --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:

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> > Hi, Linda, Marjij, and others with bp changes,

> >  

> > I hope it works for you too, Linda, and you are able to sell your house very soon!  I have all types of autonomic nervous system symptoms when I am exposed too long to particular emfs.  I have bp plummeting, but I suspect that is what happens when you have too many exposures causing high bp and your andrenals finally fizzle out [or vice versa--too low and then too high bp.  When I was younger I had high bp at times and we didn't know why back then, which is why I think the former might sometimes be the case.] 

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> > I have been pretty successful at treating my too low bp with calcium AEP and pantethine.  [I have no idea what this combo would do for too high bp; but it might help the adrenals from going completely bonkers, if taken on a daily basis but not necessarily when bp is high.]  Also I have taken manganese and taurine which help me to withstand more emfs without reacting, for longer periods.  [I don't necessarily recommend this supplementation unless you can do more research on it yourself and determine that manganese and taurine will not be detrimental to your health.  Manganese itself can be a toxic metal.  Taurine supplementation, however, is highly recommended by Dr. Tennent, of "Healing is Voltage", fame.]  I came to using all 4 of these on my own, so I cannot point you to a doctor for this.  My nutritionist had previously recommended cal AEP and pantethine for

 adrenal insufficiency and lymphatic overload.  I found

> the manganese and taurine

> > searching for ways to close leaking calcium channels.  [I have long suspected damaged tight junctions and ion channel pathways are at least partly to blame for my reactions to emfs.  I appear to have blood brain barrier tight junction damage.  Also I appear to have calcium ion-channel problems.  When the tight junctions do not properly close, the calcium can leak from that cell and it takes manganese to close the tight junction again.]  I usually take the cal and pantethine now only when my bp tanks, but previously, for adrenal and lymphatic overload, I worked my way up to very high amounts for over a year + timeframe under the care of a nutritionist.  Not everybody who tries this (cal AEP and pantethine) finds it helpful, which leads me to think one needs precursor supplementation, as

 well (which I also did), which are very person specific.  Calcium, pantethine, and co Q 10 (which I

> also took/ take--tho spuratically now) are the 3

> > most essential nutrients for the adrenals and lymphatic system.  In those of us with autonomic nervous system symptoms, it does, however, appear that lymphatic overload and adrenal exhaustion is involved.  So this is a good place to start working on to heal.  Supplementation can be effective.  Homeopathy can also be effective in in helping to heal these organs if you can find a very good homeopathist in your area.  It is also likely you need to work on your liver, as it is often dysfunctional when your lymphatic system is overworked.  Just suggestions to look into. 

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> > Hope you all find therapies which work for you,

> > Diane

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Hi Kathy,
 
Yes, when I was on high supplementation, I took also magnesium supps (plus some in the form of epsom salts in bath and soaking in it--that allows the body to take up what it wants).  I also took trace elements (boron, etc) and vit D3, as well as about a dozen other person specific nutrients (nutrients I personally needed).  I guess I should have explained this more--I have written on it so often I forget you all don't know what I'm thinking!  lol  But I meant the original comment just as something to get those of you with ANS symptoms to think about this treatment.  I never go out and buy a bottle of XYZ without asking about the specifics, looking up particulars of what the person said it does, seeing what the downsides are, exactly how to take.... 
 
I use cal AEP and pantethine now just when symptoms come on.  I take 2 of each capsule with 12+ ounces of water every 20 to 30 minutes until my symptoms begin to subside.  By symptoms, I mean the autonomic nervous system symptoms in general and the blood pressure plummeting, in particular.  By "till symptoms begin to subside", I mean I take this until my blood pressure starts to return to normal.  I can still be having chills, etc.  My heart fibrillation and pounding is sometimes the first symptom to ease.  But I always take it till my bp responds.
 
What happens if I don't take it and I have a really bad reaction to emfs?  I get exhaustion the next day--chronic fatigue returns; and that often gets progressively worse over time till I am barely able to get out of bed until I do take the supplements.  My exhaustion remains until I get enough calcium and pantethine to feed my adrenals and lymphs fully.  Now understand.... adrenals run on cal and pantethine and coQ10.  The lymphatic system does too.  If you have any parasitic issues, or detoxing to do, and/or liver detox problems, the lymph. system gets overworked and uses all its nutrients plus the nutrients needed for the adrenals to run.  The nutrients in play here are calcium, pantethine, and coQ10. They are not boron, magnesium, and D3.  My body uses more of cal, pantethine, and coQ10 than it does those other nutrients.  Yes, you do need magnesium, D3, boron, vitK....  but that is for your bones.  I had to initially treat my bones
 because my body had leached calcium from my bones.  But once my bones were restored from taking my initially high doses of calcium, etc, I didn't have to use as much nutrients for my bones, as I needed cal and vit B5 (pantethine) for my lymphs and adrenals.  Am I making sense here? 
 
When first starting this supplementation, you will have to go really really slowly.  (Steve, I feel your pain, if you actually took one whole pantethine and cal AEP today!  You are gonna be SO mad and kicking yourself!)  Mainly at first you will not be feeding your adrenals, lymphs, or bones; you will instead likely be killing parasites and detoxing other noxious things. 
 
Hope this explains it,
Diane
 

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Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat.
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Diane,

I think I am deficient in cal. We all need minerals as you said. The key is go slow like you said. I remember when I did take it, helped less ringing. Don't overdue it anyone.

Do you take any magnesium to balance calcium?

I'm with you on gluten allergies.My son & I are GFCF.  I've been GFCF for 1 1/2 yrs. Found wheat allergy at 19 & ignored it, not many food choices years ago.
When I quit sinus pressure cleared for the 1st time & less arthritis.

I have a problem w having  GFin the  house. Husband won't quit. I can see their wheat reactions.  Reacted to him boiling wheat pasta, but buys it cooked. Older daughter & him bake pizzas. I have to leave the room. Cheese smells awful to me now.

When waiting at a deli section of the store have to get away fast, the gluten in the air from pasta causes minor anaphlaxis. Makes you feel alone to avoid restaurants, but cooking for yourself, you know what's in it.

I've been wanting to clean the ducts. Anyone have RSD systmes? I jammed a foot in summer & the pain
felt like it just happened for 2 days. I thought wasn't possible. Left but wound up spreading. I'm sure it's tied w ES too.

Kathy




     

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Thanks, Diane,
I started with 1 pantethine, next I will try one of the calcium and go from there
Steve

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