That should have been tapping, but hope you all could read around the dysfunctional spelling. lol
--- On Wed, 1/5/11, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Evie <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat. To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 1:12 PM Yes, taping on insides of wrists and ankles does help, not only heart rate, but also will help lymph gland swelling to go down, and other lymph/ adrenal symptoms you might have. (Tap about an inch or 2 above your ankles.) Thanks, Sno! Encouraging others to try it, Diane --- On Tue, 1/4/11, snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote: From: snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat. To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 11:33 PM Yes, some of them affect my heart, make it pound hard and fast. - If you tap the inside of your wrists together at a slower pace about 25-30 times it will cause it to slow down again. You may have to do it twice if it's bad. I have low b.p. almost always, so that hasn't been a problem for me. I also feel those workings under the earth, mainly when I'm in bed, I think because all is quiet and still. I notice it sitting in my chair at the pc sometimes too, but I live along a fault line. I believe it is tremors, although sometimes it has felt more like tunneling going on underground, which is quite possible also, and you certainly could be hearing it. - Think Taos hum. Look up earth tunneling machines if there's doubt we have many underground tunnels and facilities. There's the old mechanical ones and nuclear ones. I don't have any springs or metal in my matress, so that may not be causing what you are feeling or hearing in this case. ~Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], "Marjij" <marjij@...> wrote: > > > > --- In [hidden email], "HowardM" <hmcarthur@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Everyone: I was wondering if any member of the group has experienced > > an increase or decrease in their Blood Pressure and or Heart Beat when > > they have become exposed to an EMF Energy source. > > > > I just resently experienced a major change in my Blood Pressure and > > Heart Beat when I was exposed for several hours to a bare conductor that > > was located about 7 ft. from me. The conductor was charged to 9 Vdc and > > carried a negative - charge. There was no current flowing in the > > conductor. Serveral hours after the exposure I realized I had a problem. > > My blood pressure had risen from my nornal of 140/80 to 195/100. and my > > Heart was beating very irregular. > > > > It is now 4 days later and my blood pressure and heart rate are just > > beginning to return to normal levesl > > > > As Always: Howard > > > YES! YES! YES! Howard, my blood pressure has spiked greatly since I noticed a strange phenomenon in my bedroom! My bed is an old Beautyrest with hand tied coiled springs. It is soft as a feather and I love it! But lying in bed I feel a very faint vibration coming from the bed, and I hear/feel a very low rumbling sound. Not like an engine, and it doesn't come through the "air"... it seems to come from the earth, like somebody working underground. I go outside and can't hear it. I can hear/feel it in other rooms, but it's strongest in bed, probably amplified by the springs. > > My blood pressure has been a nice low 115/60 for years... now when I wake up it can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it seems to drop until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's sky high again. > > PLEASE, ANYBODY ELSE WITH THIS EXPERIENCE TELL US! Both to track the phenomenon and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an anatomical problem, but an EMF effect. > > I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We have to get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather lots of data so when we do protest we won't be considered just more conspiracy theorists. Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Jesse Ventura one of these days! > > Marji - San Diego > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Upon occasion, I do get this, Sno. But not often. Since you mentioned it awhile back to me, I have tried to notice if I have it when the National Guard has helicopter maneuvers here. But they haven't had them here since I have been watching for them! lol
Diane --- On Tue, 1/4/11, snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote: From: snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat./head pressure To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 11:38 PM Here's another symptom I get sometimes, does anyone notice this; It's a pressure in my head, like your brain is being compressed. It may sometimes feel like a full feeling in your head like you might have a sinus infection but don't? I do know it is caused by sonar when the mil. is doing things, but has anyone else experienced this? ~ Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@...> wrote: > > Yes, some of them affect my heart, make it pound hard and fast. - > If you tap the inside of your wrists together at a slower pace > about 25-30 times it will cause it to slow down again. You may have > to do it twice if it's bad. > > I have low b.p. almost always, so that hasn't been a problem for me. > > I also feel those workings under the earth, mainly when I'm in bed, I think because all is quiet and still. I notice it sitting in my chair > at the pc sometimes too, but I live along a fault line. > I believe it is tremors, although sometimes it has felt more like tunneling going on underground, which is quite possible also, and you certainly could be hearing it. - Think Taos hum. > Look up earth tunneling machines if there's doubt we have many underground tunnels and facilities. There's the old mechanical ones and nuclear ones. > > I don't have any springs or metal in my matress, so that may not be causing what you are feeling or hearing in this case. > > ~Snoshoe > > --- In [hidden email], "Marjij" <marjij@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "HowardM" <hmcarthur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone: I was wondering if any member of the group has experienced > > > an increase or decrease in their Blood Pressure and or Heart Beat when > > > they have become exposed to an EMF Energy source. > > > > > > I just resently experienced a major change in my Blood Pressure and > > > Heart Beat when I was exposed for several hours to a bare conductor that > > > was located about 7 ft. from me. The conductor was charged to 9 Vdc and > > > carried a negative - charge. There was no current flowing in the > > > conductor. Serveral hours after the exposure I realized I had a problem. > > > My blood pressure had risen from my nornal of 140/80 to 195/100. and my > > > Heart was beating very irregular. > > > > > > It is now 4 days later and my blood pressure and heart rate are just > > > beginning to return to normal levesl > > > > > > As Always: Howard > > > > > YES! YES! YES! Howard, my blood pressure has spiked greatly since I noticed a strange phenomenon in my bedroom! My bed is an old Beautyrest with hand tied coiled springs. It is soft as a feather and I love it! But lying in bed I feel a very faint vibration coming from the bed, and I hear/feel a very low rumbling sound. Not like an engine, and it doesn't come through the "air"... it seems to come from the earth, like somebody working underground. I go outside and can't hear it. I can hear/feel it in other rooms, but it's strongest in bed, probably amplified by the springs. > > > > My blood pressure has been a nice low 115/60 for years... now when I wake up it can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it seems to drop until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's sky high again. > > > > PLEASE, ANYBODY ELSE WITH THIS EXPERIENCE TELL US! Both to track the phenomenon and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an anatomical problem, but an EMF effect. > > > > I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We have to get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather lots of data so when we do protest we won't be considered just more conspiracy theorists. Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Jesse Ventura one of these days! > > > > Marji - San Diego > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> You're lucky, I have MCS and everything I own and use has to be fragrance
> free Well, I could say the same thing for myself. It's possible that YOU would notice NO odor from these particular latex mattresses as well (they are probably not the run-of-the-mill latex, as they were both sold as "organic". Also, you don't actually make contact with the latex, as you can put as many layers of cotton, wool, etc. between you and the latex as you like (sheets, mattress pads, etc.) My favorite brand of the two mattresses is "Natural Sense": http://www.foamorder.com/organic-mattress.html Marc |
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> My favorite brand of the two mattresses is "Natural Sense":
> > http://www.foamorder.com/organic-mattress.html Actually, after re-reading the above page, I think perhaps this manufacturer might have the least chemical offgassing of any mattress on the market (or at least right up there in the top 1%). Probably why I purchased one. Like I said, I certainly never smelled anything... and that's saying something... :-) Marc |
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Hope it works for you, Steve. Remember it might make things worse for awhile when you start it. Especially if you are dealing with candida. Cal AEP works with candida like a "trojan horse". Candida likes to highjack calcium in your body, so it gobbles up the cal AEP. Then once the cal is in the candida bio-structure, the AEP releases and kills the candida colony. So if you are candida bait, know you will react badly to cal AEP with die-off. It will make almost everything worse at first. This is why you have to VERY SLOWLY work your way up on it. I can not stress this enough (tho I have over the years I have been here). ;) Last year--around ?spring or early summer? I think, I sent an indepth email about how to start Cal AEP. If anyone cannot find it, I can probably resend privately, if anyone asks.
Good luck, Diane --- On Wed, 1/5/11, torch369 <[hidden email]> wrote: From: torch369 <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat. To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 1:55 PM Interesting info, thanks. I happen to have calcium aep and pantethine in my cabinet and will try this. I will also make sure I take the taurine every day. I already take CoQ10 Steve --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > Hi, Linda, Marjij, and others with bp changes, >  > I hope it works for you too, Linda, and you are able to sell your house very soon! I have all types of autonomic nervous system symptoms when I am exposed too long to particular emfs. I have bp plummeting, but I suspect that is what happens when you have too many exposures causing high bp and your andrenals finally fizzle out [or vice versa--too low and then too high bp. When I was younger I had high bp at times and we didn't know why back then, which is why I think the former might sometimes be the case.] >  > I have been pretty successful at treating my too low bp with calcium AEP and pantethine. [I have no idea what this combo would do for too high bp; but it might help the adrenals from going completely bonkers, if taken on a daily basis but not necessarily when bp is high.] Also I have taken manganese and taurine which help me to withstand more emfs without reacting, for longer periods. [I don't necessarily recommend this supplementation unless you can do more research on it yourself and determine that manganese and taurine will not be detrimental to your health. Manganese itself can be a toxic metal. Taurine supplementation, however, is highly recommended by Dr. Tennent, of "Healing is Voltage", fame.] I came to using all 4 of these on my own, so I cannot point you to a doctor for this. My nutritionist had previously recommended cal AEP and pantethine for adrenal insufficiency and lymphatic overload. I found the manganese and taurine > searching for ways to close leaking calcium channels. [I have long suspected damaged tight junctions and ion channel pathways are at least partly to blame for my reactions to emfs.  I appear to have blood brain barrier tight junction damage. Also I appear to have calcium ion-channel problems.  When the tight junctions do not properly close, the calcium can leak from that cell and it takes manganese to close the tight junction again.] I usually take the cal and pantethine now only when my bp tanks, but previously, for adrenal and lymphatic overload, I worked my way up to very high amounts for over a year + timeframe under the care of a nutritionist. Not everybody who tries this (cal AEP and pantethine) finds it helpful, which leads me to think one needs precursor supplementation, as well (which I also did), which are very person specific. Calcium, pantethine, and co Q 10 (which I also took/ take--tho spuratically now) are the 3 > most essential nutrients for the adrenals and lymphatic system. In those of us with autonomic nervous system symptoms, it does, however, appear that lymphatic overload and adrenal exhaustion is involved. So this is a good place to start working on to heal. Supplementation can be effective. Homeopathy can also be effective in in helping to heal these organs if you can find a very good homeopathist in your area. It is also likely you need to work on your liver, as it is often dysfunctional when your lymphatic system is overworked. Just suggestions to look into. >  > Hope you all find therapies which work for you, > Diane > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Marc,
Thanks we've been looking. I can't believe the chemicals in them these days. You get a film feeling on your hands just touching them. Closest can come in our state is Sealy Natural Organic w bamboo, cotton, latex, & memory foam, Has springs which would defeat the purpose. Even these have fireblocker. I don't like memory foam. We bought mem foam toppers & had to get rid of them. Felt hot, smelled, caused, heart palpitations, headaches, & made my mom's BP go way up. How do you work out comfort if we manage to swing a mattress? I wouldn't advise vinyl. Kathy From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Re: [eSens] latex mattress > My favorite brand of the two mattresses is "Natural Sense": > > http://www.foamorder.com/organic-mattress.html Actually, after re-reading the above page, I think perhaps this manufacturer might have the least chemical offgassing of any mattress on the market (or at least right up there in the top 1%). Probably why I purchased one. Like I said, I certainly never smelled anything... and that's saying something... :-) Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> I don't like memory foam. We bought mem foam toppers & had to get rid of
> them. Felt hot, smelled, caused, heart palpitations, headaches, & made my > mom's BP go way up. Even the organic latex mattresses have the "feeling hot" problem, although you can put something on top of them to dissipate the buildup of body heat. Generally a layer of wool is used for that, but there are also mattress pads specifically designed for that (NASA technology). I bought one of the NASA-tech pads, but then decided that was too cold (!!!), so I'm just using an extra cotton pad between the latex mattress and the bedsheets. > How do you work out comfort if we manage to swing a mattress? I wouldn't > advise vinyl. I'm not sure I understand the question, although if you're asking about how do you select the correct firmness when buying a mattress by mail, they do allow exchanges, although the postal charges are high (and vacuum-packing a latex mattress is tricky). With my 3" mattress topper, I started with an "extra-firm", and then exchanged it with a "firm" via the mail. I think the postal cost was around $30 - $40. And I think when dealing with a full-blown mattress, they only exchange the top part, which reduces the postal costs. Marc |
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Hi Kathy,
I have a vinyl air mattress. It has a removable pump, the in-pump ones will have wires. I out-gassed the mattress for a couple months outside under a car port. I then bought an anti-allergenic mattress cover which was all organic cotton and covered the vinyl mattress with that. I then bought a feather bed topper (which was "hyper cleaned" and had no smell) for on top (this allows me not to sweat from the vinyl). I then covered all of this with 2 organic cotton flannel sheets. I then cover this with my regular cotton bedsheets and bedding. I smell nothing and I am a human smell detector. I do also keep plants in my rooms to keep chemical smells out, as well. Plants absorb chemical gasses and put out fresh air. Most MCS people think they cannot have plants, but you can if you know what you are doing and learn to take care of plants well. You have to be picky about cleanliness and watering correctly. You could get the same benefit from 2 flat washed organic cotton sheets in which you encase cotton quilt batting insteaad of the feather topper. [You would have to machine or hand sew the 2 sheets together on 3 sides and then roll the batting into the pillowcase-like bag. After you get the batting in, you would need to sew the remaining side closed. All this is easy and doable for anyone with any or no sewing skill. From here, you will need to pin down the batting every foot or so. Then you can, by hand or machine, sew basting stitches to hold the batting stable so it doesn't shift. By machine, you will want to use the longest stitch available. You can create 6" to foot wide blocks or channels.] You can also buy these toppers made up, but not all are smell-free. THis all sounds like alot of work, I imagine. It is not that much piddling with once you have it on the bed. I need only change my top flannel sheet once or twice a year. The rest smells fine and is not ever in a situation of getting dirty in the first place. I put the mattress in my regular wooden bed frame. It required a piece of non-voc painted plywood, cut to size, in place of slats. Also I turned the bed frame side supports upside down so the mattress would appear higher, since I don't have any box springs. What I am also saying is, this can also be done with an organic latex type mattress. Once you get it off-gassed and encased, you notice little residual odors. Diane --- On Wed, 1/5/11, KathyB <[hidden email]> wrote: From: KathyB <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: latex mattress To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 3:24 PM Marc, Thanks we've been looking. I can't believe the chemicals in them these days. You get a film feeling on your hands just touching them. Closest can come in our state is Sealy Natural Organic w bamboo, cotton, latex, & memory foam, Has springs which would defeat the purpose. Even these have fireblocker. I don't like memory foam. We bought mem foam toppers & had to get rid of them. Felt hot, smelled, caused, heart palpitations, headaches, & made my mom's BP go way up. How do you work out comfort if we manage to swing a mattress? I wouldn't advise vinyl. Kathy From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Re: [eSens] latex mattress > My favorite brand of the two mattresses is "Natural Sense": > > http://www.foamorder.com/organic-mattress.html Actually, after re-reading the above page, I think perhaps this manufacturer might have the least chemical offgassing of any mattress on the market (or at least right up there in the top 1%). Probably why I purchased one. Like I said, I certainly never smelled anything... and that's saying something... :-) Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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You can also find foam mattress toppers and mattresses in your local community various places: some fabric stores, and some craft/ mall outlets. I've seen foam matresses at IKEA and Costco, Sam's club.... I even saw organic latex at one of these, but I don't remember which one.
Diane --- On Wed, 1/5/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: latex mattress To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 4:09 PM > I don't like memory foam. We bought mem foam toppers & had to get rid of > them. Felt hot, smelled, caused, heart palpitations, headaches, & made my > mom's BP go way up. Even the organic latex mattresses have the "feeling hot" problem, although you can put something on top of them to dissipate the buildup of body heat. Generally a layer of wool is used for that, but there are also mattress pads specifically designed for that (NASA technology). I bought one of the NASA-tech pads, but then decided that was too cold (!!!), so I'm just using an extra cotton pad between the latex mattress and the bedsheets. > How do you work out comfort if we manage to swing a mattress? I wouldn't > advise vinyl. I'm not sure I understand the question, although if you're asking about how do you select the correct firmness when buying a mattress by mail, they do allow exchanges, although the postal charges are high (and vacuum-packing a latex mattress is tricky). With my 3" mattress topper, I started with an "extra-firm", and then exchanged it with a "firm" via the mail. I think the postal cost was around $30 - $40. And I think when dealing with a full-blown mattress, they only exchange the top part, which reduces the postal costs. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Have you seen the info. Magda Havas posted about the study she did, exposing ES folks to cordless phone radiation? Some peoples' heart rate doubles when exposed, goes back to normal when exposure ends. See Magdahavas.com. Her other site is either Magdahavas.org or .net. Shivani Arjuna www.LifeEnergies.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I will look into it, thanks
--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote: > > > You're lucky, I have MCS and everything I own and use has to be fragrance > > free > > Well, I could say the same thing for myself. It's possible that YOU > would notice NO odor from these particular latex mattresses as well > (they are probably not the run-of-the-mill latex, as they were both > sold as "organic". Also, you don't actually make contact > with the latex, as you can put as many layers of cotton, wool, etc. > between you and the latex as you like (sheets, mattress pads, etc.) > > My favorite brand of the two mattresses is "Natural Sense": > > http://www.foamorder.com/organic-mattress.html > > Marc > |
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Interesting, they have a lot of choices, I suppose I would like the soft eco model best. I will have to consider this. Too bad they dont sell a wood frame.
--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote: > > > My favorite brand of the two mattresses is "Natural Sense": > > > > http://www.foamorder.com/organic-mattress.html > > Actually, after re-reading the above page, I think perhaps > this manufacturer might have the least chemical offgassing > of any mattress on the market (or at least right up there in > the top 1%). Probably why I purchased one. > > Like I said, I certainly never smelled anything... and > that's saying something... :-) > > Marc > |
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Well, I will start with one of each and see what happens. Right now I'm in mega fibro pain anyway
--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > Hope it works for you, Steve. Remember it might make things worse for awhile when you start it. Especially if you are dealing with candida. Cal AEP works with candida like a "trojan horse". Candida likes to highjack calcium in your body, so it gobbles up the cal AEP. Then once the cal is in the candida bio-structure, the AEP releases and kills the candida colony. So if you are candida bait, know you will react badly to cal AEP with die-off. It will make almost everything worse at first. This is why you have to VERY SLOWLY work your way up on it. I can not stress this enough (tho I have over the years I have been here). ;) Last year--around ?spring or early summer? I think, I sent an indepth email about how to start Cal AEP. If anyone cannot find it, I can probably resend privately, if anyone asks. > > Good luck, > Diane > --- On Wed, 1/5/11, torch369 <torch369@...> wrote: > > > From: torch369 <torch369@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat. > To: [hidden email] > Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 1:55 PM > > >  > > > > Interesting info, thanks. I happen to have calcium aep and pantethine in my cabinet and will try this. I will also make sure I take the taurine every day. I already take CoQ10 > Steve > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > Hi, Linda, Marjij, and others with bp changes, > > à> > I hope it works for you too,àLinda, and you are able to sell your house very soon!àI have all types of autonomic nervous system symptoms when I am exposed too long to particular emfs.àI have bp plummeting, but I suspect that is what happens when you have too many exposures causing high bp and your andrenals finallyàfizzle out [or vice versa--too low and then too high bp.àWhen I was younger I had high bp at times and we didn't know why back then, which is why I think the former might sometimes be the case.]à> > à> > I have beenàpretty successful at treating my too low bp with calcium AEP and pantethine.à[I have no idea what this combo would do for too high bp; but it might help the adrenals from going completely bonkers, if taken on a daily basis but not necessarily when bp is high.]àAlso I have taken manganese and taurine which help me to withstand more emfs without reacting, for longer periods.à[I don't necessarily recommend this supplementation unless you can do more research on it yourself and determineàthat manganese and taurine will not be detrimental to your health.àManganese itself can be a toxic metal.àTaurine supplementation, however, is highly recommended by Dr. Tennent, of "Healing isàVoltage", fame.]àI came to using all 4 of these on myàown, so I cannot point you to a doctor for this.àMy nutritionist had previously recommended cal AEP and pantethine for adrenal insufficiency and lymphatic overload.àI found > the manganese and taurine > > searching for ways to closeàleaking calcium channels.à[I have long suspected damaged tight junctions and ion channel pathwaysàare at least partly to blame for my reactions to emfs.ààI appear to have blood brain barrieràtight junction damage.àAlso I appear to have calcium ion-channelàproblems.ààWhen theàtight junctions do not properly close, the calcium can leak fromàthat cellàand it takes manganese toàclose the tight junction again.]àI usually take the cal andàpantethine now only when my bp tanks, but previously, for adrenal and lymphatic overload, I worked my way up toàvery high amounts for over a year + timeframe under the care of a nutritionist.àNot everybody who tries thisà(cal AEP and pantethine)àfinds it helpful, which leads me to think one needs precursor supplementation, as wellà(which I also did), which are very person specific.àCalcium, pantethine, and co Q 10 (which I > also took/ take--tho spuratically now) are the 3 > > most essential nutrients for the adrenals and lymphatic system.àIn those of us with autonomic nervous system symptoms, it does, however, appear that lymphatic overload and adrenal exhaustion is involved.àSo this is a good place toàstart working onàto heal.àSupplementation can be effective.àHomeopathy can also be effective in in helping to heal these organs if you can find a very goodàhomeopathist in your area.àIt is also likely you need to work on your liver, as it is often dysfunctional when your lymphatic system is overworked.àJust suggestions to look into.à> > à> > Hope you all find therapies which work for you, > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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> Interesting, they have a lot of choices, I suppose I would like the soft
> eco model best. I will have to consider this. Too bad they dont sell a > wood frame. I purchased our wood bed frame at a local furniture store. Unfortunately, the finish on it did bother me for the first few months, until it sufficiently off-gassed... Marc |
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I have lived here for about 14 years. I have gotten worse over the years. I do start to feel better when I am away from the electricity and cell towers. --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@...> wrote: > > Hi Linda, > > I can identify with you and what you are going thru as I lived 30 years near a power tower that was only 30 yards away. When I walked underneath the power lines I could hear the metal portion of my umbrella humming as you mentioned. Living there I believe raised my blood pressure as prior to that I was passing out on a regular basis from very low blood pressure. After living there for awhile that stopped. It wasn't until recently I realized what happened because after I moved away from the power tower I had a near-fainting spell from low blood pressure for the first time in many years. Not to say living near the tower was good as it caused me to be very ill as you described you feel. > > How long have you lived where you are? > > I moved 14 months ago and could give you some idea of how it might go it you are anything like me. Let me know. > > Cheryl > > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, lindameetoo <lindameetoo@...> wrote: > > From: lindameetoo <lindameetoo@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat. > To: [hidden email] > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 5:36 PM > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > I also have pounding heart and higher than normal blood pressure. I am in a very toxic house. Lots of cell towers and antennas. Transformer on the pole and power lines across my back yard. I also could hear my bed springs humming. I had to buy a foam mattress.I still hear weird noises at night when everything is quiet.I think it's gremlins. Ha Ha. I'm trying to sell my house. Nothing yet. When it's sold I moving to the edge of nowhere. It's called Pinon Hills, Ca. only 4 cell towers an 7 antennas. Now I have 71 Cell towers and 218 antennas. I am getting excited about moving. I sure hope that I get better when I move. I hope It isn't to late. I have so many symptoms right now, it is awful. Some days I don't want to be living anymore. I really need to get out of here. Happy new year. I am praying that this year we will all find relief. Positively!!! > > > > --- In [hidden email], "Marjij" <marjij@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "HowardM" <hmcarthur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone: I was wondering if any member of the group has experienced > > > > an increase or decrease in their Blood Pressure and or Heart Beat when > > > > they have become exposed to an EMF Energy source. > > > > > > > > I just resently experienced a major change in my Blood Pressure and > > > > Heart Beat when I was exposed for several hours to a bare conductor that > > > > was located about 7 ft. from me. The conductor was charged to 9 Vdc and > > > > carried a negative - charge. There was no current flowing in the > > > > conductor. Serveral hours after the exposure I realized I had a problem. > > > > My blood pressure had risen from my nornal of 140/80 to 195/100. and my > > > > Heart was beating very irregular. > > > > > > > > It is now 4 days later and my blood pressure and heart rate are just > > > > beginning to return to normal levesl > > > > > > > > As Always: Howard > > > > > > > YES! YES! YES! Howard, my blood pressure has spiked greatly since I noticed a strange phenomenon in my bedroom! My bed is an old Beautyrest with hand tied coiled springs. It is soft as a feather and I love it! But lying in bed I feel a very faint vibration coming from the bed, and I hear/feel a very low rumbling sound. Not like an engine, and it doesn't come through the "air"... it seems to come from the earth, like somebody working underground. I go outside and can't hear it. I can hear/feel it in other rooms, but it's strongest in bed, probably amplified by the springs. > > > > > > My blood pressure has been a nice low 115/60 for years... now when I wake up it can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it seems to drop until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's sky high again. > > > > > > PLEASE, ANYBODY ELSE WITH THIS EXPERIENCE TELL US! Both to track the phenomenon and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an anatomical problem, but an EMF effect. > > > > > > I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We have to get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather lots of data so when we do protest we won't be considered just more conspiracy theorists. Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Jesse Ventura one of these days! > > > > > > Marji - San Diego > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Thanks for the information. I will try the taurine and calcium. I have to go slow. I just started vervain. It's for the nerves. It has calmed them down a little. It's been so cold lately it might be the cold that has my nerves frozen, not the herb vervain that has helped. I will have to give it a little more time and see what happens.
--- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@...> wrote: > > Interesting info, thanks. I happen to have calcium aep and pantethine in my cabinet and will try this. I will also make sure I take the taurine every day. I already take CoQ10 > Steve > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > Hi, Linda, Marjij, and others with bp changes, > >  > > I hope it works for you too, Linda, and you are able to sell your house very soon! I have all types of autonomic nervous system symptoms when I am exposed too long to particular emfs. I have bp plummeting, but I suspect that is what happens when you have too many exposures causing high bp and your andrenals finally fizzle out [or vice versa--too low and then too high bp. When I was younger I had high bp at times and we didn't know why back then, which is why I think the former might sometimes be the case.] > >  > > I have been pretty successful at treating my too low bp with calcium AEP and pantethine. [I have no idea what this combo would do for too high bp; but it might help the adrenals from going completely bonkers, if taken on a daily basis but not necessarily when bp is high.] Also I have taken manganese and taurine which help me to withstand more emfs without reacting, for longer periods. [I don't necessarily recommend this supplementation unless you can do more research on it yourself and determine that manganese and taurine will not be detrimental to your health. Manganese itself can be a toxic metal. Taurine supplementation, however, is highly recommended by Dr. Tennent, of "Healing is Voltage", fame.] I came to using all 4 of these on my own, so I cannot point you to a doctor for this. My nutritionist had previously recommended cal AEP and pantethine for adrenal insufficiency and lymphatic overload. I found the manganese and taurine > > searching for ways to close leaking calcium channels. [I have long suspected damaged tight junctions and ion channel pathways are at least partly to blame for my reactions to emfs.  I appear to have blood brain barrier tight junction damage. Also I appear to have calcium ion-channel problems.  When the tight junctions do not properly close, the calcium can leak from that cell and it takes manganese to close the tight junction again.] I usually take the cal and pantethine now only when my bp tanks, but previously, for adrenal and lymphatic overload, I worked my way up to very high amounts for over a year + timeframe under the care of a nutritionist. Not everybody who tries this (cal AEP and pantethine) finds it helpful, which leads me to think one needs precursor supplementation, as well (which I also did), which are very person specific. Calcium, pantethine, and co Q 10 (which I also took/ take--tho spuratically now) are the 3 > > most essential nutrients for the adrenals and lymphatic system. In those of us with autonomic nervous system symptoms, it does, however, appear that lymphatic overload and adrenal exhaustion is involved. So this is a good place to start working on to heal. Supplementation can be effective. Homeopathy can also be effective in in helping to heal these organs if you can find a very good homeopathist in your area. It is also likely you need to work on your liver, as it is often dysfunctional when your lymphatic system is overworked. Just suggestions to look into. > >  > > Hope you all find therapies which work for you, > > Diane > > > |
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I have had that feeling since they put the smart meter in about a month or so ago. Bad headaches too. The ring/hissing in my ears have gotten really loud, also.
--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote: > > I have been getting from time to time a feeling as if someone has just put > a tight band around my head, or perhaps a tight fitting hat ? > > puk > > > In a message dated 05/01/2011 04:39:02 GMT Standard Time, > snoshoe_2@... writes: > > > > > Here's another symptom I get sometimes, does anyone notice this; > It's a pressure in my head, like your brain is being compressed. It > may sometimes feel like a full feeling in your head like you might have a > sinus infection but don't? > > I do know it is caused by sonar when the mil. is doing things, but has > anyone else experienced this? > > ~ Snoshoe > > --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , > "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@> wrote: > > > > Yes, some of them affect my heart, make it pound hard and fast. - > > If you tap the inside of your wrists together at a slower pace > > about 25-30 times it will cause it to slow down again. You may have > > to do it twice if it's bad. > > > > I have low b.p. almost always, so that hasn't been a problem for me. > > > > I also feel those workings under the earth, mainly when I'm in bed, I > think because all is quiet and still. I notice it sitting in my chair > > at the pc sometimes too, but I live along a fault line. > > I believe it is tremors, although sometimes it has felt more like > tunneling going on underground, which is quite possible also, and you certainly > could be hearing it. - Think Taos hum. > > Look up earth tunneling machines if there's doubt we have many > underground tunnels and facilities. There's the old mechanical ones and nuclear ones. > > > > I don't have any springs or metal in my matress, so that may not be > causing what you are feeling or hearing in this case. > > > > ~Snoshoe > > > > --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "Marjij" > <marjij@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , > "HowardM" <hmcarthur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone: I was wondering if any member of the group has > experienced > > > > an increase or decrease in their Blood Pressure and or Heart Beat > when > > > > they have become exposed to an EMF Energy source. > > > > > > > > I just resently experienced a major change in my Blood Pressure and > > > > Heart Beat when I was exposed for several hours to a bare conductor > that > > > > was located about 7 ft. from me. The conductor was charged to 9 Vdc > and > > > > carried a negative - charge. There was no current flowing in the > > > > conductor. Serveral hours after the exposure I realized I had a > problem. > > > > My blood pressure had risen from my nornal of 140/80 to 195/100. and > my > > > > Heart was beating very irregular. > > > > > > > > It is now 4 days later and my blood pressure and heart rate are just > > > > beginning to return to normal levesl > > > > > > > > As Always: Howard > > > > > > > YES! YES! YES! Howard, my blood pressure has spiked greatly since I > noticed a strange phenomenon in my bedroom! My bed is an old Beautyrest with > hand tied coiled springs. It is soft as a feather and I love it! But lying > in bed I feel a very faint vibration coming from the bed, and I hear/feel a > very low rumbling sound. Not like an engine, and it doesn't come through > the "air"... it seems to come from the earth, like somebody working > underground. I go outside and can't hear it. I can hear/feel it in other rooms, but > it's strongest in bed, probably amplified by the springs. > > > > > > My blood pressure has been a nice low 115/60 for years... now when I > wake up it can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it > seems to drop until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's > sky high again. > > > > > > PLEASE, ANYBODY ELSE WITH THIS EXPERIENCE TELL US! Both to track the > phenomenon and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an > anatomical problem, but an EMF effect. > > > > > > I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We > have to get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather > lots of data so when we do protest we won't be considered just more > conspiracy theorists. Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Jesse Ventura one > of these days! > > > > > > Marji - San Diego > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Hi Linda,
Since you already feel better when you are away from the cell towers then I don't think it is too late for you to recover. What I have found is the E.S. itself doesn't seem to go away when I am exposed to it less, but I simply feel better when not exposed to it. I was wondering when you first got sick with the E.S. I got sick after 11 years of living near the power tower but at that time very little was known about all this so it took me until about 10 years ago to suspect it was due to that. I have read that 10 years seems to be the average amount of time that it takes to become ill when exposed as such. Are the homes far apart where you are moving to? Since I moved I am not close to any cell towers or power lines but I am still ill and feel worse at home than anywhere else. I highly suspect that this is due to the neighbors homes being so close by and what they may be using there. Wifi? Plasma screen T.V.'s? We are completely at the mercy of our neighbors unfortunately. So I would recommend if possible to move where your home is as far away from the neighbors as possible. I know I will have to move again as this new home just isn't working and I am so sick about this. I bought this home and still haven't been able to sell my previous house. What a mess! I would hate to see the same thing happen to you. If you know how to test the house first that would be great. But if neighbors are close things can change so fast there. It is clearly beyond our control. I will appreciate any feedback on this and I wish you the best of luck with your move. Keep in touch and let us know how it goes. Cheryl --- On Wed, 1/5/11, lindameetoo <[hidden email]> wrote: From: lindameetoo <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat. To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 9:48 PM I have lived here for about 14 years. I have gotten worse over the years. I do start to feel better when I am away from the electricity and cell towers. --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@...> wrote: > > Hi Linda, > > I can identify with you and what you are going thru as I lived 30 years near a power tower that was only 30 yards away. When I walked underneath the power lines I could hear the metal portion of my umbrella humming as you mentioned. Living there I believe raised my blood pressure as prior to that I was passing out on a regular basis from very low blood pressure. After living there for awhile that stopped. It wasn't until recently I realized what happened because after I moved away from the power tower I had a near-fainting spell from low blood pressure for the first time in many years. Not to say living near the tower was good as it caused me to be very ill as you described you feel. > > How long have you lived where you are? > > I moved 14 months ago and could give you some idea of how it might go it you are anything like me. Let me know. > > Cheryl > > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, lindameetoo <lindameetoo@...> wrote: > > From: lindameetoo <lindameetoo@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat. > To: [hidden email] > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 5:36 PM > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > I also have pounding heart and higher than normal blood pressure. I am in a very toxic house. Lots of cell towers and antennas. Transformer on the pole and power lines across my back yard. I also could hear my bed springs humming. I had to buy a foam mattress.I still hear weird noises at night when everything is quiet.I think it's gremlins. Ha Ha. I'm trying to sell my house. Nothing yet. When it's sold I moving to the edge of nowhere. It's called Pinon Hills, Ca. only 4 cell towers an 7 antennas. Now I have 71 Cell towers and 218 antennas. I am getting excited about moving. I sure hope that I get better when I move. I hope It isn't to late. I have so many symptoms right now, it is awful. Some days I don't want to be living anymore. I really need to get out of here. Happy new year. I am praying that this year we will all find relief. Positively!!! > > > > --- In [hidden email], "Marjij" <marjij@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "HowardM" <hmcarthur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone: I was wondering if any member of the group has experienced > > > > an increase or decrease in their Blood Pressure and or Heart Beat when > > > > they have become exposed to an EMF Energy source. > > > > > > > > I just resently experienced a major change in my Blood Pressure and > > > > Heart Beat when I was exposed for several hours to a bare conductor that > > > > was located about 7 ft. from me. The conductor was charged to 9 Vdc and > > > > carried a negative - charge. There was no current flowing in the > > > > conductor. Serveral hours after the exposure I realized I had a problem. > > > > My blood pressure had risen from my nornal of 140/80 to 195/100. and my > > > > Heart was beating very irregular. > > > > > > > > It is now 4 days later and my blood pressure and heart rate are just > > > > beginning to return to normal levesl > > > > > > > > As Always: Howard > > > > > > > YES! YES! YES! Howard, my blood pressure has spiked greatly since I noticed a strange phenomenon in my bedroom! My bed is an old Beautyrest with hand tied coiled springs. It is soft as a feather and I love it! But lying in bed I feel a very faint vibration coming from the bed, and I hear/feel a very low rumbling sound. Not like an engine, and it doesn't come through the "air"... it seems to come from the earth, like somebody working underground. I go outside and can't hear it. I can hear/feel it in other rooms, but it's strongest in bed, probably amplified by the springs. > > > > > > My blood pressure has been a nice low 115/60 for years... now when I wake up it can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it seems to drop until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's sky high again. > > > > > > PLEASE, ANYBODY ELSE WITH THIS EXPERIENCE TELL US! Both to track the phenomenon and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an anatomical problem, but an EMF effect. > > > > > > I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We have to get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather lots of data so when we do protest we won't be considered just more conspiracy theorists. Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Jesse Ventura one of these days! > > > > > > Marji - San Diego > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
We're wondering if we should move. Don't know if can take on rewiring. I grew up 3 blocks from high voltage towers, never noticed anything when younger. Yes we are at the mercy of our neighbors. I've noticed effects last 4 years. I quit calcium except in multi b/c read Russell Blaylock's report it being an excitable effect on nerve cells. It got worse after moving to a valley area. The homes are average space apart 7 ft. One untility co's said they put in digital meters in 02. Here they were put in in 05. I'm correlating my sickness w smart meters & added from cell towers. I feel burning from our neighbor's meter, happens to be on the side of their house facing ours. We got cell phones in 05, but never use much. Since summer I started feeling burning, off unless emergency. I think this house's wiring is running hotter, aluminum. Had copper in the past. Behind most, buying shielding cords very soon. Last question. I have to learn about grounding. Is it possible to have underground wiring a small ground transformer in a neighbor's rear yard us any? Thanks, Kathy - From: Cheryl Griffing <[hidden email]> : Re: [eSens] Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat. Hi Linda, Since you already feel better when you are away from the cell towers then I don't think it is too late for you to recover. What I have found is the E.S. itself doesn't seem to go away when I am exposed to it less, but I simply feel better when not exposed to it. I was wondering when you first got sick with the E.S. I got sick after 11 years of living near the power tower but at that time very little was known about all this so it took me until about 10 years ago to suspect it was due to that. I have read that 10 years seems to be the average amount of time that it takes to become ill when exposed as such. Are the homes far apart where you are moving to? Since I moved I am not close to any cell towers or power lines but I am still ill and feel worse at home than anywhere else. I highly suspect that this is due to the neighbors homes being so close by and what they may be using there. Wifi? Plasma screen T.V.'s? We are completely at the mercy of our neighbors unfortunately. I will appreciate any feedback on this and I wish you the best of luck with your move. Keep in touch and let us know how it goes. Cheryl --- On Wed, 1/5/11, lindameetoo <[hidden email]> wrote: From: lindameetoo <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat. To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 9:48 PM I have lived here for about 14 years. I have gotten worse over the years. I do start to feel better when I am away from the electricity and cell towers. > > > My blood pressure has been a nice low 115/60 for years... now when I wake up it can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it seems to drop until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's sky high again. > > > > > > PLEASE, ANYBODY ELSE WITH THIS EXPERIENCE TELL US! Both to track the phenomenon and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an anatomical problem, but an EMF effect. > > > > > > I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We have to get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather lots of data so when we do protest we won't be considered just more conspiracy theorists. Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Jesse Ventura one of these days! > > > > > > Marji - San Diego > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Thats what I have to watch for also, i react to everything
--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote: > > > Interesting, they have a lot of choices, I suppose I would like the soft > > eco model best. I will have to consider this. Too bad they dont sell a > > wood frame. > > I purchased our wood bed frame at a local furniture store. Unfortunately, > the finish on it did bother me for the first few months, until it sufficiently > off-gassed... > > Marc > |
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