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can someone explain very simply to me
what is the difference between ELF and EMF? thank you! love, patricia |
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ELF = extra low frequency
EMF = electromagnetic fields Love Helen On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]> wrote: > ** > > > can someone explain very simply to me > what is the difference between ELF and EMF? > thank you! > love, patricia > > > -- Helen A Murphy Environomics.com.au <http://environomics.com.au/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [hidden email] [hidden email] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
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helen, i know what the abbreviations stand for,
but i don't know what the two things "do"... do you know the practical difference in the two? thanks. love, patricia On Dec 27, 2012, at 1:41 AM, Helen Murphy wrote: > ELF = extra low frequency > EMF = electromagnetic fields > > Love Helen > > On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> can someone explain very simply to me >> what is the difference between ELF and EMF? >> thank you! >> love, patricia >> |
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On December 27, Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]> wrote:
> helen, i know what the abbreviations stand for, > but i don't know what the two things "do"... > do you know the practical difference in the two? I just looked this up, and ELF is restricted to 1 to 300 hz, so that would seem limited to things like AC current (50 or 60 hz). Generally people react to frequencies much higher than this. EMF is a general term that includes all frequencies, including the ones that do and don't generally both people. Marc |
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Sort of related, I find it interesting that the EMF spectrum also includes visible light, UV light, infrared, etc. At least according to this Wikipedia page...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum Since mainstream medicine fully accepts that visible light and UV light can have profound biological effects on humans, and that many people with various conditions experience increased sensitivity to these particlur wavelengths of light, it doesn't seem like much of a stretch to think that some people might be sensitive to other frequencies on the EMF spectrum such as cell phones, etc. I've actually started using this comparison when I have to explain my sensitivities to someone. Migraines induced by bright lights is something most people understand, so I just explain that bright lights and EMFs from cell phones are actually similar things, just different frequencies, and that the cell phone frequencies give me really bad headaches. Russ --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote: > > On December 27, Patricia Robinett <patricia@...> wrote: > > helen, i know what the abbreviations stand for, > > but i don't know what the two things "do"... > > do you know the practical difference in the two? > > I just looked this up, and ELF is restricted to 1 to 300 hz, > so that would seem limited to things like AC current > (50 or 60 hz). Generally people react to frequencies > much higher than this. > > EMF is a general term that includes all frequencies, > including the ones that do and don't generally both > people. > > Marc > |
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Excellent tip Russ - thanks for that - I had to go through the indignity of trying to explain to my 11 year old nephew the other day why his smart phone could cause me so many problems and pracitcally had to beg him to switch it off - which he did do albeit reluctantly - I don't think he got my explanation and would imagine that when he related the story to others they would probably think me a "freak" or "mental case" - not very nice but that is how we are viewed by the rest of the world which is so hooked on these devices.
Steph ________________________________ From: russel395 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Thursday, 27 December 2012, 17:19 Subject: [eSens] Re: ELF and EMF Sort of related, I find it interesting that the EMF spectrum also includes visible light, UV light, infrared, etc. At least according to this Wikipedia page... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum Since mainstream medicine fully accepts that visible light and UV light can have profound biological effects on humans, and that many people with various conditions experience increased sensitivity to these particlur wavelengths of light, it doesn't seem like much of a stretch to think that some people might be sensitive to other frequencies on the EMF spectrum such as cell phones, etc. I've actually started using this comparison when I have to explain my sensitivities to someone. Migraines induced by bright lights is something most people understand, so I just explain that bright lights and EMFs from cell phones are actually similar things, just different frequencies, and that the cell phone frequencies give me really bad headaches. Russ --- In mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote: > > On December 27, Patricia Robinett <patricia@...> wrote: > > helen, i know what the abbreviations stand for, > > but i don't know what the two things "do"... > > do you know the practical difference in the two? > > I just looked this up, and ELF is restricted to 1 to 300 hz, > so that would seem limited to things like AC current > (50 or 60 hz). Generally people react to frequencies > much higher than this. > > EMF is a general term that includes all frequencies, > including the ones that do and don't generally both > people. > > Marc > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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ELF is EMF.
All radiation, electrically wired or in air is emf, it is the vibration or oscillation that is in everything. ELF is just one portion of that, like one band of color in the rainbow, though all the colors are part of the rainbow. ~ Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], Patricia Robinett <patricia@...> wrote: > > can someone explain very simply to me > what is the difference between ELF and EMF? > thank you! > love, patricia > |
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Sorry you had to go thru that Stephanie. At least with an 11 year old you can't really blame him. What amazes me is the push back and attitude we get from otherwise kind mature adults.
There's no scientific reason for people to think it's weird, they just think that because they haven't heard of it before, which of course is pretty much the definition of closed mindedness. There are millions of people in the world with hay fever, people allergic to the grass and trees that have been part of this world for millions of years, and yet no one finds that strange. If some child from a remote tribe in the jungle had no concept of "allergy" and you asked him which seemed stranger, an allergy to grass and trees or a sensitivity to man-made electricity, I'm pretty sure he'd think an allergy to nature was weirder. But people today have heard of hay fever and they haven't heard of EMF sensitivity so that's how it goes. A lot of people who think they're open minded are really only open minded about the things they've been told to be open minded about race, religion, culture, sexual orientation, etc. But confront them with something completely new and totally foreign and most will react in a very closed minded manner. Truly open minded people are actually quite rare. Russ --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > Excellent tip Russ - thanks for that - I had to go through the indignity of trying to explain to my 11 year old nephew the other day why his smart phone could cause me so many problems and pracitcally had to beg him to switch it off - which he did do albeit reluctantly - I don't think he got my explanation and would imagine that when he related the story to others they would probably think me a "freak" or "mental case" - not very nice but that is how we are viewed by the rest of the world which is so hooked on these devices. > Steph > > > ________________________________ > From: russel395 <russturk@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Thursday, 27 December 2012, 17:19 > Subject: [eSens] Re: ELF and EMF > > > Â > > Sort of related, I find it interesting that the EMF spectrum also includes visible light, UV light, infrared, etc. At least according to this Wikipedia page... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum > > Since mainstream medicine fully accepts that visible light and UV light can have profound biological effects on humans, and that many people with various conditions experience increased sensitivity to these particlur wavelengths of light, it doesn't seem like much of a stretch to think that some people might be sensitive to other frequencies on the EMF spectrum such as cell phones, etc. I've actually started using this comparison when I have to explain my sensitivities to someone. Migraines induced by bright lights is something most people understand, so I just explain that bright lights and EMFs from cell phones are actually similar things, just different frequencies, and that the cell phone frequencies give me really bad headaches. > > Russ > > --- In mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > On December 27, Patricia Robinett <patricia@> wrote: > > > helen, i know what the abbreviations stand for, > > > but i don't know what the two things "do"... > > > do you know the practical difference in the two? > > > > I just looked this up, and ELF is restricted to 1 to 300 hz, > > so that would seem limited to things like AC current > > (50 or 60 hz). Generally people react to frequencies > > much higher than this. > > > > EMF is a general term that includes all frequencies, > > including the ones that do and don't generally both > > people. > > > > Marc > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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yes. everything is energy... vibration... frequency.
it's just that some frequencies are good for us - actually do help us heal - and others make us sick. :( love, patricia On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:19 AM, russel395 wrote: > Sort of related, I find it interesting that the EMF spectrum also includes visible light, UV light, infrared, etc. At least according to this Wikipedia page... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum > > Since mainstream medicine fully accepts that visible light and UV light can have profound biological effects on humans, and that many people with various conditions experience increased sensitivity to these particlur wavelengths of light, it doesn't seem like much of a stretch to think that some people might be sensitive to other frequencies on the EMF spectrum such as cell phones, etc. I've actually started using this comparison when I have to explain my sensitivities to someone. Migraines induced by bright lights is something most people understand, so I just explain that bright lights and EMFs from cell phones are actually similar things, just different frequencies, and that the cell phone frequencies give me really bad headaches. > > Russ |
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thanks, snoshoe.
that's what i originally thought. then someone told me they were different. ? love, patricia On Dec 27, 2012, at 11:28 AM, snoshoe_2 wrote: > ELF is EMF. > All radiation, electrically wired or in air is emf, it is the vibration > or oscillation that is in everything. > > ELF is just one portion of that, like one band of color in the rainbow, > though all the colors are part of the rainbow. > > ~ Snoshoe |
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maureen, do you have a way to turn your computer
to wifi for a moment to see how many networks are near you? when the emf would get high at my condo, i'd check and indeed there would be a lot more wifi networks in action. when i wonder here if something is strange, i check and indeed, there are more than usual. like right now - there are three: duckfan, duckfan2 and duckfan24 - so there are apparently three wifi networks at one house - unless the neighborhood is of like mind and everyone names their networks the same. hahaha.... football! anyway, at my old place, there might be 6 or 8 networks happening at any one time. i also check when the levels seem low and fewer wifi networks will show up. i used to keep track - my style of 'scientific experiment'. :) love, patricia |
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i found this page.
looks like good information. oh, dear. i think i'm addicted to the internet. :) INTERESTING. --- http://www.causeof.org/electro.htm The Cause of Internet and TV Addiction? www.causeof.org Electromagnetic Waves · What are Electromagnetic Waves? · Additional Information • Electromagnetic Fields (EMF) vs. Electromagnetic Radiation (EMR) • Ionizing vs. Non-Ionizing Radiations • Electric and Magnetic Fields • ELFs, 60 Hz EMFs · Effects • Similarities with Effects of Positive Ions, Serotonin • Ions • Body Voltage · Electrical Sensitivity · Avoiding EMFs · Standards & Guidelines · Measuring ELF Magnetic Field Radiation · Measuring ELF Electric Field Radiation · Things to Consider · Tips · Related Topics ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [hidden email] [hidden email] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
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--- In [hidden email], Patricia Robinett <patricia@...> wrote: > > helen, i know what the abbreviations stand for, > but i don't know what the two things "do"... > do you know the practical difference in the two? > thanks. > love, patricia > See: Http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/elfradiation/index:html Judy > > On Dec 27, 2012, at 1:41 AM, Helen Murphy wrote: > > > ELF = extra low frequency > > EMF = electromagnetic fields > > > > Love Helen > > |
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Try again!! Typo... Http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/elfradiation/index.html Judy > > > |
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ok. so i have a gadget that you plug
directly into electrical outlets. http://www.gpnp.com/CT5189.htm is that what it is measuring? ELF? or dirty electricity? thanks... patricia On Dec 27, 2012, at 7:53 AM, Marc Martin wrote: > On December 27, Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]> wrote: >> helen, i know what the abbreviations stand for, >> but i don't know what the two things "do"... >> do you know the practical difference in the two? > > I just looked this up, and ELF is restricted to 1 to 300 hz, > so that would seem limited to things like AC current > (50 or 60 hz). Generally people react to frequencies > much higher than this. > > EMF is a general term that includes all frequencies, > including the ones that do and don't generally both > people. > > Marc > |
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maureen, is it possible you are a targeted individual?
all that was happening to me too... fumes from drugs or chemicals, lots of EMF... lots of very strange stuff. love, patricia |
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It looks like the Stetzer stuff.
Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Emsisoft ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia Robinett To: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] ELF and EMF ok. so i have a gadget that you plug directly into electrical outlets. http://www.gpnp.com/CT5189.htm is that what it is measuring? ELF? or dirty electricity? thanks... patricia On Dec 27, 2012, at 7:53 AM, Marc Martin wrote: > On December 27, Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]> wrote: >> helen, i know what the abbreviations stand for, >> but i don't know what the two things "do"... >> do you know the practical difference in the two? > > I just looked this up, and ELF is restricted to 1 to 300 hz, > so that would seem limited to things like AC current > (50 or 60 hz). Generally people react to frequencies > much higher than this. > > EMF is a general term that includes all frequencies, > including the ones that do and don't generally both > people. > > Marc > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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