EHS vision oddities?
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Howdy everybody,
I tried the search function but didn't find anything on this topic. I'm hyper-sensative to microwaves and electromagnetic fields, and was curious if anybody else had experienced visual anomalies. I can actually "see" WIFI and electromagnetic fields now. In daylight or under artificial lighting this usually appears as a wavy or "snowy" disturbance in my field of vision. If I close my eyes, I can see little flashes of light in the direction of power lines or cell phones or routers. Sounds odd probably, but it's a consistent thing. I can't close my eyes without "seeing" RF/EMF sources. I own a Gigahertz Solutions HFE-35C RF meter and one of their gauss meters, and what I'm seeing matches what they detect. I'm wondering how common this is. I have read mention of it on a blog; the author claimed she had read studies where EHS patients were complaining of this kind of thing, but she didn't link to the studies. It's be nice to know I'm not alone with this weirdness. |
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On June 27, "Luvapottamus [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I can actually "see" WIFI and electromagnetic fields now. Interesting... off the top of my head, I can't recall anyone mentioning this before, but I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm mistaken. :-) Marc |
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I find what you are saying to be amazing. I do know that microwaves cause visual disturbances with me. Maybe you should try contacting someone like Dr. Olle Johansson or Arthur Firstenburg (he's the owner of this website) http://www.cellphonetaskforce.org/?page_id=585 and ask if they've ever heard of anyone with the ability to see microwaves. I would think they'd be very interested in what you have to say. You may be helping some poor soul who thinks they're crazy. When military radar technicians first began reporting that they could hear radar, they were put under psychiatric care. Then in 1960 Dr. Allan Frey began to write about this ability. Of course, what's really changed? I've spoken with disabled ES people who can only get disability insurance by using a pyschiatric diagnosis because SSDI won't acknowledge ES. Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 14:56:51 -0700 From: [hidden email] To: [hidden email] Subject: [ES] EHS vision oddities? Howdy everybody, I tried the search function but didn't find anything on this topic. I'm hyper-sensative to microwaves and electromagnetic fields, and was curious if anybody else had experienced visual anomalies. I can actually "see" WIFI and electromagnetic fields now. In daylight or under artificial lighting this usually appears as a wavy or "snowy" disturbance in my field of vision. If I close my eyes, I can see little flashes of light in the direction of power lines or cell phones or routers. Sounds odd probably, but it's a consistent thing. I can't close my eyes without "seeing" RF/EMF sources. I own a Gigahertz Solutions HFE-35C RF meter and one of their gauss meters, and what I'm seeing matches what they detect. I'm wondering how common this is. I have read mention of it on a blog; the author claimed she had read studies where EHS patients were complaining of this kind of thing, but she didn't link to the studies. It's be nice to know I'm not alone with this weirdness. If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below:
http://es-forum.com/EHS-vision-oddities-tp4027234.html
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Thanks, I contacted them by web form.
Wasn't able to connect by phone for some reason. These visual effects are pretty interesting, but I'll have to say the novelty has worn out. I'll try to describe them in better detail in a little bit. I think they might be useful in diagnosing or in better defining the cause and physiological effects of this condition. If anybody knows a physician in the Tulsa, OK area who specializes in this, I'd appreciate a referral. I'll return a bit later with a better description of what I'm seeing. |
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oh, luva...
be careful of taking this kind of thing to an MD. 1) they will diagnose you as mentally unstable 2) they will want to do SURGERY to your eyes. i would think of it as a helpful thing. you no longer need an external meter... you ARE the meter. and you can find yourself a safe place by going where the light no longer occurs. everything is energy. a lamp puts out energy in the form of light. you are aware of more subtle energy, more subtle light. if it annoys you, perhaps we could figure out a way to shut it down via your diet. what is your typical fare? love, patricia On Jun 27, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Luvapottamus [via ES] wrote: Thanks, I contacted them by web form. |
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I'm very wary of doctors generally, and understand your warnings.
But there are a few who understand and are working on this problem, and I would like to help those folks develop a more precise way of testing people for it. From what I've read, the medical associations who recognize ES and EHS as a legitimate condition, have concluded that the symptoms are vague and the causes are vague. Some medical practitioners understand it better, but haven't so far been able to convince their peers. So I wouldn't mind volunteering for some examinations with instrumentation that helps prove their theories and which could help diagnose people with this condition. Right now, what I most need is shielding, but I don't have the funding for it or money to relocate. But I have developed some tolerance to some things, and hypersensativity to others. The cell tower near me doesn't trouble me very much. But the ITRON electric smart meters cause heart pain. Cell phones and flourescent lighting in restaurants give me headaches and make my nerves twitch, respectively. I have some protective clothing which helps with the Smart Meters, and cell phones, but I try to avoid them anyway, as it's not 100% effective. As far as diet goes, I've made some progress eating a lot of fresh berries and with Iodine, calcium, and magnesium supplementation, but I think I need isolation from the sources of these pollutants and to chelate metals from my body. Which I just can't afford yet. This condition makes me generally feel lethargic most of the time, but when I force myself into strenuous activity/ exercise I tend to feel pretty good afterwards. I was an automotive tech for a long time, and early on in my career I was exposed to a banned industrial solvent with the trade name: "Zinc tone." It was a mixture of chromic acid, nitric acid and sulfuric acid, used for coating carburetor bodies with a golden "tone" during the remanufacturing process. This may be a factor in my sensitivity. But I don't know. My personal "theory" on microwave sensativity is pretty simple: metal plate in microwave oven creates electricity. So metal in your body when hit with lower power microwaves creates micro-pulses of electricity. The eyes translate visible spectrum light into electrical impulses which the brain interprets as vision. Maybe that part of my eyes or brain is more metallic due to industrial or environmental toxins that have built up over time. Enough to generate micro-pulses of electricity when hit by microwaves, that the brain, or optic nerves are interpreting as vision. Similar to how the nerves near the ear generate tinnitis, which I also have. ;-) |
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I've researched this and related issues(including the geopolitical/ Markus Wolf type stuff) a long time,
and I'll be happy to share all of that(from browsing this board I'm sure some of it will be repeat material;-) But I should now describe what it is I'm "seeing." Before this goes a lot further and it gets buried too far in the thread. I wish I had animation software and the skills to plot it, but I don't so I'll just have to describe it. With my EYES OPEN, what I see in lighted spaces that are "hot" with RF radiation is sometimes "noise" or "snow" similar to an untuned tv set. This is more pronounced in dark spaces, but under both conditions the "pixels" are very fine granularity and the "lighter" dots aren't very bright. The other thing I see in lighted spaces with EYES OPEN is distortion, espescially in lighter, not darker spaces. Things look a little wavy, or psychedelic. With EYES CLOSED, I still see noise or "snow" but I also see (when under RV radiation, two thin oval columns of more flashy and lighter "snow" in both eyes on the left side of the field of vision. Sometimes I see other "flashy snow ovals" near the top of my field of vision, But those tend to "glow" more than flash. None of this is very bright, but it's distinct from the dark areas of my field of vision, even if the whole field is a bit "snowy", or "noisy." If I pan around, I can pinpoint the source of the RV radiation. When I "center it up" my eyes or eyelids start to twitch a little bit, and I see what looks like a a little dot moving around in a flashy space. The dot is usually red. The other stuff is pretty much just black and shades of grey, including the glowing ovals. When I'm near powerlines, I see a couple other things. When I first close my eyes, I see this purple swirly thing that is similar to the swirly thing in the old Star Trek communicator. From the captain Kirk series. But I just see an edge of something like that, in purple at the bottom of my field of vision. Then as that fades, I see pulsating bars of "noise" where the power lines are. I won't blame anybody for poking fun of this entry, I know it sounds batsh*t crazy. But Patricia is right, I don't need the RF meter anymore. And better still I can do parlor tricks. ;-) I actually am concerned about being labeled a nutcase, but no as concerned as I used to be. And I can demonstrate this consistently. If some quack wants to accuse me of delusions or hallucinations, I should be able to defend myself by telling them where their WIFI router is located in their building. All of them. And whether they have a cell phone in their pocket. That's testable. |
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In reply to this post by Luvapottamus
Please excuse the typos. RF, not RV in the above post. I'm sure there are other errors as well, but I can't figure out how to edit them.
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In reply to this post by Luvapottamus
Very wise advice from Patricia.
Luv, do you feel that your tinnitus is from microwaves? Home Depot & Lowes sell a product called Reflectix for around $45 for a 4 x25' roll. It blocks microwaves and goes up easily. Metal window screen over windows works great. I've been told that this place has the best prices for shielding foil in bulk quantities. http://www.radiantguard.com/ It's best to have a high frequency meter to "see" what you're doing when applying shielding products, but since you are the meter you might know where to put it. If you can afford to do one room, do your bedroom since that's where protection is needed most. Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 18:35:27 -0700 From: [hidden email] To: [hidden email] Subject: [ES] Re: RE: EHS vision oddities? I'm very wary of doctors generally, and understand your warnings. But there are a few who understand and are working on this problem, and I would like to help those folks develop a more precise way of testing people for it. From what I've read, the medical associations who recognize ES and EHS as a legitimate condition, have concluded that the symptoms are vague and the causes are vague. Some medical practitioners understand it better, but haven't so far been able to convince their peers. So I wouldn't mind volunteering for some examinations with instrumentation that helps prove their theories and which could help diagnose people with this condition. Right now, what I most need is shielding, but I don't have the funding for it or money to relocate. But I have developed some tolerance to some things, and hypersensativity to others. The cell tower near me doesn't trouble me very much. But the ITRON electric smart meters cause heart pain. Cell phones and flourescent lighting in restaurants give me headaches and make my nerves twitch, respectively. I have some protective clothing which helps with the Smart Meters, and cell phones, but I try to avoid them anyway, as it's not 100% effective. As far as diet goes, I've made some progress eating a lot of fresh berries and with Iodine, calcium, and magnesium supplementation, but I think I need isolation from the sources of these pollutants and to chelate metals from my body. Which I just can't afford yet. This condition makes me generally feel lethargic most of the time, but when I force myself into strenuous activity/ exercise I tend to feel pretty good afterwards. I was an automotive tech for a long time, and early on in my career I was exposed to a banned industrial solvent with the trade name: "Zinc tone." It was a mixture of chromic acid, nitric acid and sulfuric acid, used for coating carburetor bodies with a golden "tone" during the remanufacturing process. This may be a factor in my sensitivity. But I don't know. My personal "theory" on microwave sensativity is pretty simple: metal plate in microwave oven creates electricity. So metal in your body when hit with lower power microwaves creates micro-pulses of electricity. The eyes translate visible spectrum light into electrical impulses which the brain interprets as vision. Maybe that part of my eyes or brain is more metallic due to industrial or environmental toxins that have built up over time. Enough to generate micro-pulses of electricity when hit by microwaves, that the brain, or optic nerves are interpreting as vision. Similar to how the nerves near the ear generate tinnitis, which I also have. ;-) If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below:
http://es-forum.com/EHS-vision-oddities-tp4027234p4027240.html
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On June 27, "Luvapottamus [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Please excuse the typos. RF, not RV in the above post. I'm sure there are > other errors as well, but I can't figure out how to edit them. If you are logged into es-forum.com, you can find your post, then over to the right there should be a "More" dropdown with an "Edit Post" option. But that of course won't change any emails that have already been sent out. Marc |
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I do kow of persons who have the same symptoms.
Flashes with closed eyes, and *seeing* asnd *feeling* EMF. Everybody can learn to see aura's. Sit relaxed and look at the top of tree's, while focussing the eyes at infinite. After a while you can *see* the aura surrounding the tree. With electrosensitive persons a number of things in the body do not function normally again. The eyes are among them. Visual sighting is disturbed, the eye nerves are a bit disoriented and do not relay the information correctly to the brains. Also the blood flow in the eye balls is not optimal. It is all caused by EMF. Not only high frequency, but also low frequency, and very low frequency fields. EMF attacks firstly the weakest parts of the body. Normally the stomach, the liver, the nervous system, and occasionally the eyes. Remember that everything in the body is regulated by the brains, the central computer of your body. If you have something with your little toe, it is known in the brains. With a *brains machine* I can *read* the information of the brains, and accordingly know where there are mishaps, and even can correct them. See: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina305.html |
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Thanks!
And thanks for the forum. |
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Thanks for the confirmation.
I'm really sick today, so can't add much right now, but I'll try to later. |
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In reply to this post by Luvapottamus
my pleasure!
take VERY good care of yourself. i'll write a bit on the list about how i think we might be able to clear our heavy metal toxicity... for it sounds like you might have that too. zinc, chrome... i am beginning to think our symptoms might be a natural response to heavy metal poisoning. love, patricia On Jun 28, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Luvapottamus [via ES] wrote: Thanks! |
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If you start the thread(heavy metal toxicity-solutions) I'll add some content to it.
I think most people are carrying around a higher load of metals than we need; than is natural. And I probably have a higher concentration of chromium in my body than normal, due to that chemical exposure. Zinctone was banned before I took the job as a carburetor back when I was 18. My employer was using it illegally, and they didn't give me the MDSS(material data safety sheet) until after I was hospitalized for a severe allergic reaction to it, after working with it for 8 months or so. I went home one day, took a shower, and broke out in hives all over, and then couldn't breathe. Passed out and reawakened hours later...went to the ER where they gave me adrenalin (epinephrine) and watched me until I was breathing normal. I was in anaphylactic shock. And the next time I reported to work, my feet broke out in hives(because I was wearing the same shoes) and I had to quit the job. I worked with a respirator but they didn't change the filters often enough, and because of the way the equipment was set up, there was no way to avoid getting it on clothing, and absorbing it through the skin. For the next several years I had occasional fainting spells and allergic outbreaks. But I was 18 when that happened, and I'm 44 now, so I hadn't thought about it until recently. It may or may not be a factor. But I expect I have a higher level of chromium in my body than most people. Anyhow, I wanted to add another visual oddity. Looking at the sky at night...EYES closed...I can locate celestial objects. Looking around with Eyes closed, I'll see a white dot, and when I open my eyes there is always a star or planet in that location. :-) Stars and planets emit and/ or reflect microwaves and other EM spectrum radiation, so I think I'm just picking that up too. Here's a paper that suggests people with ES or EHS may have a difference in quantity or function of magnetite in the brain(also discusses other things related to natural geo-location/navigation(in humans and other animals like birds/bees: http://www.buergerwelle.de/assets/files/magnetoreception_and_electrosensitivity.html |
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Hi, yes I'm certain the tinnitus is from microwaves. I was out sitting on my back porch smoking a minute ago, and "got the tone" when a police car crossed the intersection a few blocks away.
And again when it crossed back. ;-) I have put up some foil shielding, but haven't completed a room yet which is worse than no shielding, because it's creating an echo chamber. I've just been too overwhelmed lately(and lethargic) to finish up. I also put some aluminum screen over some windows, but it's not sufficient to block the neighbors' Itron gas smart meters and wireless N. So I need to double or triple up. Or I need finer screen, but I think it'll be cheaper just to double or triple layer it. I'd prefer to use the film you linked, and I appreciate the links. Might work over the storm windows: my regular windows are old 1945 split-pane windows(each window has nine panes of glass and wood framing in between, so I don't think it'll work unless I paint the wood with RF absorbent paint. Might be worth doing later. I bought a tent(quiet zone retreat) from less emf: http://www.lessemf.com/personal.html#718 But it's too big, I don't have enough room to set it up. Not until I move some dressers out of the bedroom. I'm feeling better today though, so hopefully I'll make some progress today. Had a nasty stomach bug for the last five or so days, was pretty miserable. Hopefully I get some protection up today. Or at least clear out the space so I'm ready to. |
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In reply to this post by Luvapottamus
Arthur at the Cellular Phone Task Force replied to my email:
"This is not unusual. Alessandro Volta elicited flashes of light with a 1/2-volt battery in the year 1800. I know several people who see flashes of light from WiFi, such as you describe." That's reassuring. I don't like seeing it, but when I first noticed it, I was tempted to question my own sanity. Now at least I have some references in case somebody else does. ;-) |
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