EHS and gut flora/histamine intolerance/low zinc

Hi,
Has anyone with EHS later developed histamine intolerance? I've found since diagnosing myself with EHS last October that foods I had no trouble eating before are now causing bad flares identical to the symptoms I get in wifi/emf. I ask this in order to learn from others here and to share what I've learned (below) in case it's helpful.

Gut bacteria/yeast problems

Through a functional med dr I found I had severe levels of a regular and natural antibioitic resistant strain of bacteria related to autoimmune conditions along with another pathogenic bacteria, and two elevated yeast strains in my gut. (I've lost over 20 lbs I couldn't afford to lose in fighting this already). It took me several months to suspect yeast on my own and find out one person here in MN found relief on an anticandida diet, but I had no idea about my other issues.

New issues with dietary histamine I'd never had before

I'm a couple of months into the treatment for that, and was told my bacterial markers for those have gone down after the initial labwork at Great Plains Labs. However, although I used to enjoy yogurt, kimchi and sauerkraut, canned salmon, etc. I found, after my doctor confirmed these were OK for me to eat, that one Tbsp of kimchi gave me an immediate severe reaction as I'd get after time spent in wifi (numbness, irritated right thigh, etc.) Aftering finding out about histamine intlerance, my food diary since late December now makes sense. I also learned I was low in bifidobacteria in my gut, and some of those strains have been shown in studies to degrade histamine in the gut (B. Infantis, B. Longum). My Dr does not have me on these bifido strains, but has me on a neutral bifido one and one that includes L. rhamnosus, which also assists with histamine issues. In looking for a good one for infantis and longum I'm avoiding strains that elevate/produce additional histamine in the gut (L. casei and bulgaricus).

Suspected low zinc

I'm also very low zinc according to the zinc challenge liquid out there. I know the jury is out on its accuracy in the research lit, but in my experience trying it out, when I eat steak and chain eat pumpkin seeds and take chelated zinc - only then did I taste bitterness in the liquid at all. A couple days later while still eating the seeds and taking zinc, it was back to tasting like water. Also, after eating ground grass fed beef I don't get a bump in zinc (do they grind the zinc out of it?).  I think there is something to it. For months on end, periodic testing with the liquid shows it is EXTREMELY hard for me to taste it as anything beyond water or ginger ale. I've not been tested for pyrrole, Wilsons, or MCAS. There is the possibility that I have silent adult onset celiac that might explain low zinc absorption. I have 23andme results run through genetic genie and promethease , and am hoping to find info online that may help me on this learning journey.

Are histamine issues reversible? Low zinc? What did you do that worked?

If anyone else has had a similar experience with histamine, did the intolerance go away after gut bugs/gut lining were dealt with? (I realize I could have an irreversible syndrome, but am hopeful).

And, has anyone successfully raised zinc if they were low? I saw Chris Kressler info online addressing zinc/copper ratio, and he mentioned certain B vitamins and minerals that antagonize copper. But I also saw info that copper is important with B6 for DAO enzymes (degrades histamine) in the gut lining. So, how does one do both - reduce the feeling of being a walking coppertop battery and yet get those DAO enzymes working?

Incidentally, rubbing coconut oil on my right thigh has helped relieve flares there - better than a Benadryl spray with zinc acetate though that gave some relief also. I wish they had zinc spray like they have magnesium spray - please someone put that on the market!!

Deb

I was watching a video from the UK doctors talking about how EMF sensitive people tend to have high histamines, gut problems/bacteria/parasites as well as mineral imbalances so it would seem that what you are experiencing is not uncommon. How to keep it in check well that's not so easy....I have had to go through three treatments for 3 different types of parasites and use different gut flora to kill the bad bacteria but still have issues with it. Don't know anything about zinc though.

What did you do for parasites? May I ask what type they were? I have long suspected parasites for other reasons (hard to keep weight/gain weight), but don't know what to use. I develop kidney stones (genetic) and so am not sure what product I could tolerate without landing myself in ER. That would not be a good place for me having developed EHS.

Deb



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On Fri, 8/12/16, SuperLaura [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote:

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 To: "darnfloor42" <[hidden email]>
 Date: Friday, August 12, 2016, 4:00 PM
 
 
 
     I was watching a video from the UK doctors talking about
 how EMF sensitive people tend to have high histamines, gut
 problems/bacteria/parasites as well as mineral imbalances so
 it would not seem that what you are experiencing is
 uncommon. How to keep it in check well that's not so
 easy....I have had to go through three treatments for 3
 different types of parasites and use different gut flora to
 kill the bad bacteria but still have issues with it.
 Don't know anything about zinc though.
 
     
 
     
 
     
     
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What did you do for parasites? May I ask what type they were? I have long suspected parasites for other reasons (hard to keep weight/gain weight), but don't know what to use. I develop kidney stones (genetic) and so am not sure what product I could tolerate without landing myself in ER. That would not be a good place for me having developed EHS.

I hope this didn't get sent to you twice. I saw a copy in my box but it didn't show it went to you so resent it.

Deb
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On Fri, 8/12/16, SuperLaura [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote:

 Subject: [ES] Re: EHS and gut flora/histamine intolerance/low zinc
 To: "darnfloor42" <[hidden email]>
 Date: Friday, August 12, 2016, 4:00 PM
 
 
 
     I was watching a video from the UK doctors talking about
 how EMF sensitive people tend to have high histamines, gut
 problems/bacteria/parasites as well as mineral imbalances so
 it would not seem that what you are experiencing is
 uncommon. How to keep it in check well that's not so
 easy....I have had to go through three treatments for 3
 different types of parasites and use different gut flora to
 kill the bad bacteria but still have issues with it.
 Don't know anything about zinc though.
 
     
 
     
 
     
     
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I used Systemic Formulas Bio Challenge VRM1, VRM2, and VRM3. Each one is for a different sized parasite (large, medium, and small) I also took these with garlic capsules as well as a product for drainage to help with the detox effect (and that product always changed and I don't remember what I used). You do 10 days on 5 days off for a few cycles. For the most part I was okay with it although at some times had to take breaks because the detox was a little too much and I would get headaches. Then after a break I would resume until I didn't need it anymore. One of them I had to go on twice because they came back once. Coffee enemas help with the parasites as well for the detoxing.

I also had problems with maintaining weight and gaining weight, and I think the parasites contributed to nightmares as well.. My naturopath was able to tell me exactly where they were, in what organs which was gross! Lol

Oh, I've not heard of that product before. I'll have to read more. Could you feel them move around or did you see them expelled? How did she know it was in a certain organ from outside your body? I went to a naturopath here once and didn't go back -instead sought a functional med doctor. If I hadn't, I wouldn't have known that I had bad levels of bacteria as well as yeast, as he ordered lab tests and then worked from there. But maybe naturopaths vary quite a bit from each other in approach.

What's interesting for me is that a number of years ago my urologist had a pic of my kidneys done to see about a stone. I asked him what some little round things were on the image, and he said probably cysts but he said not to worry about them. Well, I've wondered if things like that could be parasites. I'm just starting to take bromelain enzymes today after having some other odd things pass during my treatment this far (berberine/herb med with grapefruit seed extract) along with pumpkin seeds I'd taken. I wish there was papaya enzymes without any sugar alcohols because I'm still fighting yeast.

Deb
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On Fri, 8/12/16, SuperLaura [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote:

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     I also had problems with maintaining weight and gaining
 weight, and I think the parasites contributed to nightmares
 as well.. My naturopath was able to tell me exactly where
 they were, in what organs which was gross! Lol
 
     
 
     
 
     
     
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There's actually an enzyme you can supplement with called HistDAO.
Xymogen sells one and I believe Source Naturals or Nutricology
Steve

I could see them coming out when I did the enemas and I could feel some tightness in the areas where they were, at least with the large and medium sized ones. The longer ones were 2 feet or so.

Yeah I have a good naturopath, we've been correcting some DNA mutations as well which is fascinating! I am considering going to a functional Doctor as well because it couldn't hurt to do tests as well and get a second opinion in case something gets missed.

The naturopath used muscle testing to locate where the parasites were, they were in my small and large intestines gobbling up all my food :/ During this time specifically I found juicing to be very effective in getting nutrients.

Thank you. Any supplement I do now I need to be sugar/fructose/sucrose etc. free. I didn't see an enzume for DAO without rice or corn. But I probably haven't seen them all.

I don't know if the need for DAO is temporary (healing gut right now where natural DAO is supposed to be), and I don't know if the critters/bacteria/yeast I've been fighting are causing the reaction, or if my body has become sensitized because of the damage they've caused. I know some flora give off histamine.

Deb
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     There's actually an enzyme you can supplement with
 called HistDAO.
 
 Xymogen sells one and I believe Source Naturals or
 Nutricology
 
 Steve
 
     
 
     
 
     
     
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Well, I tried bromelain this weekend and would not have believed it if I hadn't seen them on closer investigation. Mine are much smaller, but they were there. You passed something two feet long? Oh my lands.

I've decided to just go for a week on the bromelain and spot check after that, but keep taking it for maybe several weeks. I understand different types have different cycles. My FM doctor didn't want to address it and questioned if I'd had any (I saw some odd things pass before this but didn't fish them out). This time, it's very clear what they are and so saved some for him :).

I've also been eating more pumpkin seeds now. I wish there were more low oxalate anti-parasite options and more support from my doctor in this area. All the papain enzymes have some form of sugar/sucrose also.

One crucial final question- after you got rid of parasites, did this affect your overall EHS symptoms? If you had any histamine sensitivity develop in your gut, did it go away?

Deb.


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 Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016, 2:52 PM
 
 
 
     I could see them coming out when I did the enemas and I
 could feel some tightness in the areas where they were, at
 least with the large and medium sized ones. The longer ones
 were 2 feet or so.
 
 
 Yeah I have a good
 naturopath, we've been correcting some DNA mutations as
 well which is fascinating! I am considering going to a
 functional Doctor as well because it couldn't hurt to do
 tests as well and get a second opinion in case something
 gets missed.
 
 
 The naturopath used muscle
 testing to locate where the parasites were, they were in my
 small intestine.
 
     
 
     
 
     
     
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I haven't had any parasites completely go away... In fact I don't think they ever completely go away. My doctor says its normal for people to have parasites but if your gut is healthy they will be kept in check and won't flourish. I have a lot of exposure to EMFs where I live so they seem to go away and come back, go away and come back. I actually went into the doctor today and I'm going back on the parasite stuff.. This time Para Chord by Energetix. Until your gut is healthy they will keep coming back and if you have a lot of EMF exposure they seem to keep coming back :/ The best you can really do is target them when they start getting out of hand and kill most of them. I sleep better and don't have weird dreams as much when I get the parasites in check.

Yes I see 2 feet long ones in my stool sometimes (although usually with the enemas), hard to miss. Thankfully they are dead lol.

But are your EHS symptoms less when the parasites are down in number? If EMF makes yeast, bacteria and parasites upset/multiply then this would make sense. But if your symptoms of EHS, whatever they are, are constant despite the fluctuating state of gut flora, then I'm wondering if the histamine/EHS issue takes on a life of its own?  

Dr. Pall had a journal article on calcium's role in gate-keeping in cells/inflammation cycle in presence of EMFs. So, I'm trying to understand how much of my symptoms may be from flora vs. a separate condition like an acquired allergy/histamine issue that does or does not go away in time....

Deb
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On Mon, 8/15/16, SuperLaura [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote:

 Subject: [ES] Re: EHS and gut flora/histamine intolerance/low zinc
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 Date: Monday, August 15, 2016, 1:51 PM
 
 
 
     I haven't had any parasites completely go away... In
 fact I don't think they ever completely go away. My
 doctor says its normal for people to have parasites but if
 your gut is healthy they will be kept in check and won't
 flourish. I have a lot of exposure to EMFs where I live so
 they seem to go away and come back, go away and come back. I
 actually went into the doctor today and I'm going back
 on the parasite stuff.. This time Para Chord by Energetix.
 Until your gut is healthy they will keep coming back and if
 you have a lot of EMF exposure they seem to keep coming back
 :/ The best you can really do is target them when they start
 getting out of hand and kill most of them. I sleep better
 and don't have weird dreams as much when I get the
 parasites in check.
 
 
 Yes I see 2 feet long ones
 in my stool sometimes (although usually with the enemas),
 hard to miss. Thankfully they are dead lol.
 
     
 
     
 
     
     
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I would say that SOME symptoms decrease, but I have many layers of issues to deal with and its a roller coaster of how I feel. There's so many things in the body that can be upset by EMFs. I have a feeling I have a lot of healing still. My symptoms only decrease substantially through avoidance of EMFs.

I believe the parasites only play a teeny tiny part in my symptoms. Getting rid of them doesn't get rid of the other numerous problems :/