EHS Info!

 
What would be the most informative  and credible info on EHS. I want to start a campaign
spreading awareness with govt officials etc and need the best documentation.
 
Not to terribly lengthy. To the point but from credible sources!
 
Thank you!  Loni
 
 

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Marino's new study, and Leitgeb's recent papers.
Also the new stuff on changes in EEG after cellphone use.
And changes in brain metabolism.
Plus the WHO/IARC report.

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Hi All,  

I have to carry a blackberry phone against my wishes, so can anyone tell me what is the best type of protection to hold this thing in while it is attached to my belt?
Thanks so much,
Audy

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I don't know if this subject has been discussed previously on the list. 

Anyone on the list have any opinion about whether it is advisable to get an MRI?

Are MRI's of certain parts of the body more risky than other parts?

I have 3 gold crowns and I have heavy metals in my body.  Would a brain MRI be bad?

C. Johnson
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One word: YES!
My opinon of course.
Lizzie
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Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 19:36:45 -0700
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I don't know if this subject has been discussed previously on the list.  

Anyone on the list have any opinion about whether it is advisable to get an MRI?

Are MRI's of certain parts of the body more risky than other parts?

I have 3 gold crowns and I have heavy metals in my body.  Would a brain MRI be bad?

C. Johnson
Superdrove

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WHY DONT YOU STRAP IT TO YOUR ANKLE ? DONT FORGET THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL  
HEALTH TRUST WEBSITE HAS PDFS OF BLACKBERRY HANDBOOK WHICH STATES THAT YOU  
SHOULD NOT HOLD THE DEVICE WITH APPROX 25MM TO YOUR HEAD OR CARRY ABOUT YOUR  
BODY UNLESS IN AN APPROVED HOLSTER.  YOU COULD TRY A SHEILD ON THE BODY  
SIDE OF THE PHONE MUST BE LOADS OF THESE ON THE MARKET
 
PUK
 
 
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Hi All,

I have to carry a blackberry phone against my wishes, so  can anyone tell
me what is the best type of protection to hold this thing in  while it is
attached to my belt?
Thanks so much,
Audy

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> I have to carry a blackberry phone against my wishes, so can anyone tell
> me what is the best type of protection to hold this thing in while it is
> attached to my belt?

This is a nice shielded holster: http://www.lessemf.com/cellphon.html#233

Emil

Hi, Audy,

If I personally had to carry a Blackberry, I would check out lead lined pouches (the kind made to carry film in).  And I would carry it in my purse (however, I think you might be male, in which case, that might look very strange.  ;)  I do not know a good place to carry one on your body.  Perhaps in the side pocket of a pair of carpenter's pants???  (Near the knee.)

Diane





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Hi All,

I have to carry a blackberry phone against my wishes, so can anyone tell me what is the best type of protection to hold this thing in while it is attached to my belt?
Thanks so much,
Audy

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Hi, Cab,

You particularly don't want to get an MRI (for any reason) which uses a contrast dye. 

I would personally only go for one without dye if it were a matter of life and death.  I had
dye-less MRIs back in the 1990s.  That was around the time I became bed-bound for 13

years.  No way of knowing it was the MRIs, but just sayin'...

Diane



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Subject: [eSens] Re: MRI


 

I don't know if this subject has been discussed previously on the list. 

Anyone on the list have any opinion about whether it is advisable to get an MRI?

Are MRI's of certain parts of the body more risky than other parts?

I have 3 gold crowns and I have heavy metals in my body.  Would a brain MRI be bad?

C. Johnson
Superdrove

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http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_116794.html

I found this story today about MRIs creating vertigo (included beginning & end of article):

FRIDAY, Sept. 23 (HealthDay News) -- Many people who undergo MRI scans describe feeling dizzy while inside the machine or when they come out, and a new study may explain why.

Researchers believe that the strong magnet used during an MRI pushes on fluid circulating in the inner ear, impacting balance and often leading to a feeling of vertigo or free-falling...............
After taking into consideration known facts about the inner ear, the researchers concluded that MRI-related vertigo is probably the result of force exerted on the electrically charged fluid of the inner ear by the magnetic fields of MRIs.

The finding could challenge the results of previous functional MRI studies designed to detect brain activity, the study authors noted, because the scanner itself could be causing brain activity related to movement and balance, skewing results.

"We've shown that even when you think there's nothing happening in the brain while volunteers are in the scanner, there's actually a lot happening because MRI itself is causing some effect," explained Dale Roberts, senior research systems engineer in the department of neurology at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, in a university news release. "These effects must be taken into account in the way we interpret functional imaging."

Nancy

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Would the phone actually work in a lead pouch or would it be the same as shutting it off?

Keep it as far away from your physical body as possible.

I notice my car key (has some kind of transmitter in it I assume) in my pocket adversely effects me but I don't notice it in my purse ( although I suspect it is still bothering me some).

p.s. my husband carries a purse!

Nancy

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Hi, Nancy,

<Would the phone actually work in a lead pouch or would it be the same as shutting it off?>

I am not sure that the phone would be completely dead in a lead pouch, but it is probably
as dead as you are going to get it.  It is my understanding that nowGPS still works on some

phones, even when they are turned completely off.


<p.s. my husband carries a purse!>

Norms are different depending on where you live.  In some countries, men can wear skirts
and it is not thought of as abnormal.  I do know men wear purses in other locales, but I don't

know how well that has been adopted in most of the US and Europe.  If a man were to wear

one here where I live, he might get accosted on the street!  This is redneck country.  But I'm
glad your husband can do it where you live.  It makes the cell phone carrying situation much

easier.


Diane

 



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A lead pouch is meant to stop x-rays because they
interact with the nuclei.  It might work on microwaves thanks
to the electrons but it's cheaper
to use something else.  Wrapping in a couple big sheets
of aluminum foil might do it.  You want a conducting pouch
with no leaky seams, or a metal canister with good contact all
around the edges.

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Hi again, Nancy,

I realized after the fact that you were probably asking if the cell phone could be left on, in
order to hear the ring, in a lead pouch.  It might, I wouldn't know.

Diane



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Hi, Nancy,

<Would the phone actually work in a lead pouch or would it be the same as shutting it off?>

I am not sure that the phone would be completely dead in a lead pouch, but it is probably
as dead as you are going to get it.  It is my understanding that nowGPS still works on some

phones, even when they are turned completely off.

<p.s. my husband carries a purse!>

Norms are different depending on where you live.  In some countries, men can wear skirts
and it is not thought of as abnormal.  I do know men wear purses in other locales, but I don't

know how well that has been adopted in most of the US and Europe.  If a man were to wear

one here where I live, he might get accosted on the street!  This is redneck country.  But I'm
glad your husband can do it where you live.  It makes the cell phone carrying situation much

easier.

Diane

 

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Evie wrote:
> I realized after the fact that you were probably asking if the cell phone could be left on, in
> order to hear the ring, in a lead pouch.  It might, I wouldn't know.
>
>  
Signals travel both ways.
You can't allow signals to come in, (incoming call), and expect to block
signals from getting out (transmissions).

If you leave the phone on, it will occasionally transmit out, to ask the
tower if there are any messages, and to let the nearest tower know where
it is, so incoming calls can find it.
This is not consistent with a desire to shield the phone.

If you shield the phone, you can not expect incoming calls to work. It
would at best allow you to say you are carrying the phone according to
company policy, and yet keep it from working, (or affecting you.)
Best to turn the phone off, then it won't transmit or receive.

Stewart

Thanks Diane - That was my question.  I assumed the originator of the question needed to leave the phone on and that was the problem.

I have been assuming all along that if you leave your cell phone off it will not cause you problems.  Am I correct in that assumption?

Thanks,  Nancy

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> Hi again, Nancy,
>
> I realized after the fact that you were probably asking if the cell phone could be left on, in
> order to hear the ring, in a lead pouch.  It might, I wouldn't know.
>
> Diane
>
>

> I have been assuming all along that if you leave your cell phone off it will not cause you problems.  
> Am I correct in that assumption?

Hopefully... :-)

Assuming that the phone isn't still doing something while "off" (I think some are still communicating
with GPS?).  Assuming that you don't react to batteries or electronics on your person -- even when
they aren't "doing anything".  Assuming that the metal component of the cellphone aren't acting
enough as an antenna for local EMF to be causing you problems.

Marc

I just tried a new computer running from batteries, but it radiates
even when off.  If the charge regulator is very particular then
the charge on the battery could determine whether it's going
to convert voltage and radiate.

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Sadly no about leaving the cell phone off.  The battery is always on as a tracking device.  That was one of my early lessons.  The more modern phones have rather strong battery, also.

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Thanks Diane - That was my question. I assumed the originator of the question needed to leave the phone on and that was the problem.

I have been assuming all along that if you leave your cell phone off it will not cause you problems. Am I correct in that assumption?

Thanks, Nancy

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> Hi again, Nancy,
>
> I realized after the fact that you were probably asking if the cell phone could be left on, in
> order to hear the ring, in a lead pouch.  It might, I wouldn't know.
>
> Diane
>
>








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it simply depends on how sensitive you are - the clock and other circuits  
in the phones will no doubt be fed with power unless they just sychronise
when  they are turned on, I can react to fully charged car batteries so
sometimes  batteries can be a problem, but If we try to get to fussy by
eradicating all  suspect emf then we will suffer anyway, your body may start to react
quicker  next time so you need to keep it real as the rest of the world aint
like  us
 
puk
 
 
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I just  tried a new computer running from batteries, but it radiates
even when  off.  If the charge regulator is very particular then
the charge on  the battery could determine whether it's going
to convert voltage and  radiate.

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> >  I have been assuming all along that if you leave your cell phone off  
it

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