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Hi all,
For years I've had high-speed DSL internet (over the phone lines) in my house. In fact, one could argue that my ES started not much after getting DSL! I'm wondering if high-speed cable internet would actually be better for people with ES. The reason I wonder is because I believe the phone lines aren't well-shielded, while cable TV wire is well-shielded and grounded. Also, the DSL high frequencies travel to all of the phone jacks throughout the house, including the one next to the head of the bed (although DSL automatically shuts off when it isn't being used, so this may not be a big deal). Cable TV wiring doesn't usually go near the bed, and in my house, I could disconnect the cable TV wiring to the bedroom altogether (since there is no TV in the bedroom). Just curious if it would be good (from an ES standpoint) to switch from DSL to cable internet, or if it probably makes no difference...? (or even ClearWire, although I suspect that wireless high speed internet is probably not a good idea!) Thanks, Marc |
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Interesting thoughts, Marc. I do think DSL is a hazard, especiallyif you
have old flat phone lines (vs twisted pair CAT-3 or better; CAT-6 I think is shielded). from the phone company you can get a DSL filter that goes right in the entry box, that can filter any line that does not need the DSL. In one case I didn't even have to pay for it--just asked the phone guy about getting one when he was checking the lines nearby. You might also be able to put a regular DSL filter in there but when I tried they wouldn't fit in the box. If you try cable modem let us know how it goes... Bill On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi all, > > For years I've had high-speed DSL internet (over the phone lines) in my > house. In fact, one could argue that my ES started not much after > getting DSL! I'm wondering if high-speed cable internet would actually > be better for people with ES. The reason I wonder is because I believe > the phone lines aren't well-shielded, while cable TV wire is well-shielded > and grounded. Also, the DSL high frequencies travel to all of the phone > jacks throughout the house, including the one next to the head of the bed > (although DSL automatically shuts off when it isn't being used, so this may > not be a big deal). Cable TV wiring doesn't usually go near the bed, and in > my house, I could disconnect the cable TV wiring to the bedroom altogether > (since there is no TV in the bedroom). > > Just curious if it would be good (from an ES standpoint) to switch from DSL > to cable internet, or if it probably makes no difference...? > > (or even ClearWire, although I suspect that wireless high speed internet is > probably not a good idea!) > > Thanks, > > Marc > > ... [show rest of quote] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> From the phone company you can get a DSL filter that goes right
> in the entry box Oh, I hadn't thought of looking inside the external phone box... I should see what's in there... and what can and cannot be filtered from there... Thanks! Marc |
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The one thing one has to consider hard is the modem or router used with
both. There are modems which, although wired to the computer, still are transmitting wireless. And that is very bad. With some modems, this wireless transmitting can be chaged in the software, but with others this is not possible. In that case it may help to pack the modem in aluminium foil. Clearwire should be avoided at all costs. This is simple Wimax at 3.5 GHz, and has pulsed signals. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Bitdefender ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: [eSens] DSL vs. cable high speed internet? > > (or even ClearWire, although I suspect that wireless high speed internet > is probably not a good idea!) > > Thanks, > > Marc |
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I tried Yahoo DSL & didn't last 3 days before having to pull it out. I am on Comcast cable now with no problems. It's great. Paresh http://home.earthlink.net/~sunmoonyoga/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> I tried Yahoo DSL & didn't last 3 days before having to pull it out. I am
> on Comcast cable now with no problems. It's great. Well, that is very interesting. Do you have any theories as to what was causing you problems with the DSL? Do you think it was the modem that was supplied, or do you think it was the high frequency signals on your phone lines? And what brand/model of modem are you now using with Comcast? Thanks, Marc |
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Marc - I don't know what kind of comcast modom I have - I don't see any lable on it...Here is some info from a friend whose husband is an engineer:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re whether it was the modem creating the problem in your DSL experience, and dial up vs. DSL modems: Peter said that different modems may have different shieldings. If a modem has wifi capability, it might actually be broadcasting the wifi even if you are not hooked up to it. Might be something to check out. He said it is a high-frequency signal; 2.4 Gigaherz: About like a handheld phone (not a cell phone but a portable wirefree handset). However, the power of this signal drops rapidly with distance. He does not know how the Comcast DSL would be set up, but if it is like ours, then there is a modem box connected to the primary DSL line connected to one computer, than the 2nd computer (I am assuming you have 2 computers) runs off the one modem via (in our case) cable. He suggests that if the modem box ends up in your space, (sometimes all this has to do with where your comcast connection is, where the computers are) then put it across the room and run a cable from it to your computer. I got out the EMF meter we had and measured the modem which sits about 2 feet from my head on a bookshelf. It had no discernable output, but I know the EMF doesn't measure everything. However the cable did have a high magnetic reading. Perhaps that is why my eyes have been so sore recently. On the other hand, maybe that is due to all the computer gaming. Oh well. I basically don't spend more than a half-hour or so 2-3 times a week on the computer-- that is all I can take. I don't mind some negative effects, because of the usefulness of it for email and research. Besides, if I sit back 2-1/2 - 3 feet from the computer and its cables, the intensity of the field drops back down to zero. Distance is everything. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He said the reason why you reacted badly to the DSL before is that the standard DSL cable is not shielded. However, the Comcast cable that brings the DSL signal is both shielded and grounded. He said if you have Comcast, you are already getting the DSL signal-- it comes along with everything else, it's just that you do not yet have access to it. If you can tolerate Comcast, you can tolerate the DSL because it is already there. He said that the Comcast cable is a coaxial cable, meaning the central wire that carries all the info, all the current, is inside two braided insulating, shielding cables--nothing can leak out. The cables ground themselves through the metal of the attatchment to the TV. He said that what might be a trouble is if you have 2 computers, and if the connection inside the house, after the signal has reached your TV, is then over a wireless (wi-fi) network, to reach the computers. If so, then something would be broadcasting through your house that might raise the EMF exposure. (Starbucks and many other places have wi-fi-- you could test your tolerance there.) We recently added DSL via our phone line, and Peter installed cables (having to go underneath the house and drill holes to run them) to connect our 2 computers. My understanding is that in general, there is always the option between wi-fi and cable. Many people do not like wi-fi as it is not secure privacy-wise. blessings, Paresh http://home.earthlink.net/~sunmoonyoga/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> He said the reason why you reacted badly to the DSL before is that the
> standard DSL cable is not shielded. However, the Comcast cable that > brings the DSL signal is both shielded and grounded. Okay, well I just signed up for Comcast high speed Internet, and my initial feeling is that this feels worse than my DSL connection (burning face symptoms). Now for all I know this could be offgassing from the new modem. But I do know that neither my DSL or cable modem has wireless capability, so that is not a factor (and my DSL has not been deactivated -- I merely unplugged the modem). Marc |
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I don't really know any more about it. I hope you find a solution. For me, sometimes I am hyper reactive initially & it resolves as I get used to a new situation... gd luck. Paresh http://home.earthlink.net/~sunmoonyoga/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> I don't really know any more about it. I hope you find a solution. For
> me, sometimes I am hyper reactive initially & it resolves as I get used > to a new situation... gd luck. I believe I am reacting more to the Comcast cable high speed Internet more because the speed is faster -- I just installed a bandwidth limiter (shareware) on my PC, and it seems more tolerable now. So perhaps I'm reacting to the signals on the Ethernet cables? I'll have to find some shielded Ethernet cables, and see if that changes anything... Marc |
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