Because of my sensitivity I use Dial Up to connect to the internet
most of the time. I have DSL high speed but only use it to download and watch videos. I'm still very sensitive to the DSL and have a project I'm working on that requires me using it. I've been told that if I buy a computer with a accelerated processor or AMD processor vs a intel pentium processor I will be less sensitive. Can anyone give me information about a good computer to buy that has less effect on EMS. The new computers don't have the option to use Dial Up so if I buy a computer I would have to be able to tolerate using DSL all the time. I've also been told that getting a D Link modum could make a difference. Any information would be much appreciated. Thank You, Susan |
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Hi Susan,
I am also super sensitive to DSL, although I had it for years and tried lots of things. I've never heard anyone say that AMD processor computers were better than Intel computers. I am currently using one of the Lenovo "business" computers, and find it more tolerable than many that I've tried (mine is a model from several years ago, an M58e Tower). As for DSL, I've found the following things to make a difference: - since the DSL signal travels through all of the phone wiring in your house, having the phone company install a dedicated wire to just one phone jack with the DSL on it can help (all of the other phone wiring in the house is then free of DSL) - the choice of modem can make a difference. I tried about 6 different modems and used the one that bothered me the least. If you are interested in the exact modem, I can find that out for you. It was manufactured by TP-LINK. - In my case, the slower the speed of the DSL, the more tolerable it was. For example, 7Mbps was much worse than 1.5Mbs. - Having the modem and phone wiring with DSL on it further away from you helps. I have no difficulties with the ethernet wiring that comes out of the modem -- it is the modem itself, along with the phone wiring that causes me symptoms. Also, many people jump to the conclusion that the problem is all about wi-fi, but I've never had wi-fi in my house, nor do I use modems that even have that built-in. So this is purely a (wired) DSL problem for me. These days, I use cable modem, but also had to take similar steps. But I can tolerate faster speeds using cable than DSL. Marc On November 22, "Susan [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Because of my sensitivity I use Dial Up to connect to the internet > most of the time. I have DSL high speed but only use it to download > and watch videos. I'm still very sensitive to the DSL and have a project > I'm working on that requires me using it. I've been told that if I buy a > computer with a accelerated processor or AMD processor vs a intel pentium > processor I will be less sensitive. > > Can anyone give me information about a good computer to buy that has > less effect on EMS. The new computers don't have the option to use > Dial Up so if I buy a computer I would have to be able to tolerate using > DSL all the time. I've also been told that getting a D Link modum could > make a difference. > > > Any information would be much appreciated. > Thank You, > Susan > > > > _______________________________________________ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: > http://es-forum.com/Computers-tp4027457.html > To start a new topic under ES, email [hidden email] > To unsubscribe from ES, visit |
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Oh, here is the DSL modem that I found to be the most tolerable of the ones
that I tried -- a TP-LINK 8840T modem/router/switch. I assume that this would work with any DSL, although it might require some help to set it up: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003CFATME/ Marc |
Look at the last image on:
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On November 24, "charles [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Look at the last image on: > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina600.html That looks like a well-shielded computer. :-) So that stuff works well for ES people? Here's another link to it, Aaronia A2000+: http://www.aaronia.com/products/shielding-screening/A2000+-20dB/ Marc |
If one takes the trouble in looking at the Powerpoints on that page, a lot about elektrosmog should be clearer.
With this glassfiber fabric, the shielding of (measurable) transversal waves is not so high, about 20dB, but the main popint here is, that this fabric does reflect the longitudinal waves. I have great results with shielding like on the images. It is my opinion, that the longitudinal waves do have a much larger biological impact on our bodies, than the transversal waves. It happens many times that electrosensitive persons do *feel* a lot, while the meters do show nothing. Those persons are not crazy, they are just under the influence of longitudinal waves. And longitudinal waves do travel over a much larger distance than longitudinal waves. |
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Interesting. Maybe I should try this on my new cable TV decoder box / hard drive recorder.
Marc On November 24, "charles [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > If one takes the trouble in looking at the Powerpoints on that page, a lot > about elektrosmog should be clearer. > > With this glassfiber fabric, the shielding of (measurable) transversal waves > is not so high, about 20dB, but the main popint here is, that this fabric > does reflect the longitudinal waves. > I have great results with shielding like on the images. > > It is my opinion, that the longitudinal waves do have a much larger > biological impact on our bodies, than the transversal waves. > > It happens many times that electrosensitive persons do *feel* a lot, while > the meters do show nothing. > Those persons are not crazy, they are just under the influence of > longitudinal waves. > And longitudinal waves do travel over a much larger distance than > longitudinal waves. |
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Okay, I've just ordered a roll of this shielding material (Aaronia A2000+), so I can try it out on a variety of things. The salesperson tried to sell me the "better" 50db shielding material, although I said no because I didn't know if the comments about longitudinal waves also applied to the stronger shielding material.
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Thank you so much Marc!
I will try the Modum you suggested. Have you tried the Shielding Fabric yet. Please let me know if it works. I have a old Dell Vostro 1400 laptop computer, so I'm not sure how I would use it on a laptop. I'll call Aaronia in Georgia and talk to them about it. Thanks! Susan |
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Thanks for the information Charles. I'm looking into ordering the shielding fabric. Susan |
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On December 3, "Susan [via ES]" <ml-node+s966376n4027502h62@n3.nabble.com> wrote:
> Have you tried the Shielding Fabric yet. > Please let me know if it works. I haven't received it yet... but I think it has been shipped. I wasn't planning on using this for a laptop... I was planning on using it for a TIVO cable TV recorder. But I could also try it out on my desktop tower PC. Using this shielding on a laptop or a computer monitor probably wouldn't work well, as it would obscure the screen. There are more transparent shielding options, although I can't say with any certainty that anything I've tried in the past for that has helped. The most help I've had with such things fall into the category of "EMF protection devices", which are very hit & miss with people, and others refuse to believe they work at all (sometimes they believe this without even trying them) Marc |
Here's an article with lots of useful info about low EMF computing written by an electro sensitive biochemist, Richard Conrad.
http://www.conradbiologic.com/articles/%20LowEMFComputing.html Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 10:24:04 -0700 From: [hidden email] To: [hidden email] Subject: [ES] Re: Computers On December 3, "Susan [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote: > Have you tried the Shielding Fabric yet. > Please let me know if it works. I haven't received it yet... but I think it has been shipped. I wasn't planning on using this for a laptop... I was planning on using it for a TIVO cable TV recorder. But I could also try it out on my desktop tower PC. Using this shielding on a laptop or a computer monitor probably wouldn't work well, as it would obscure the screen. There are more transparent shielding options, although I can say with any certainty that anything I've tried in the past for that has helped. The most help I've had with such things fall into the category of "EMF protection devices", which are very hit & miss with people, and others refuse to believe they work at all (sometimes they believe this without even trying them) Marc If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below:
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Also Susan, note that when I talked to Aaronia in Georgia, they wanted to sell me a "better" shielding fabric. I don't know if Charles has an opinion on the better fabrics or not... the one I ordered was the one that Charles specifically recommended... the 20dB reduction "tissue".
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Be aware that we are talking about reflecting longitudinal waves.
Sure for shielding transversal waves, the shielding factor of this A2000 glassfiber is only 20dB, while their other fabrics can shield about 50dB, which is a lot more for transversal waves, but it is no goos for reflecting our longitudinal waves. The sellers of these products do not know about longitudinal waves. But look at the images at http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina600.html Reiner Gebbensleben, the specialsit about longitudinal waves, or Hyperschall as he calls it, has found this equation about the wall thickness of the maze versus the opening. See his Powerpoints. Very sensitive electrosensitives do feel the difference immediately. |
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On December 3, "charles [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Sure for shielding transversal waves, the shielding factor of this A2000 > glassfiber is only 20dB, while their other fabrics can shield about 50dB, > which is a lot more for transversal waves, but it is no goos for reflecting > our longitudinal waves. Yes, that was my concern. That the 50dB material may be worse than the 20dB material for what I was trying to do. Also, I think if you are surrounding electronics with shielding fabric, then that fabric needs to allow the heat from the electronics to escape, and I think the 20dB material allows heat to escape much better than the 50dB material. > The sellers of these products do not know about longitudinal waves. > But look at the images at http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina600.html The images on that page also show some aluminum foil wrapped around power cords, mouse cords, etc.. Is there anything special about that foil, or is that just regular foil you find in a hardware shop? Marc |
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Older used thinkpads - with lower ghz frequency.
These days you're forced to walk a tightrope between high-speed requirements, and tolerability. So 1.7ghz just might cut it. Even that frequency can irritate ES. Any higher than 1.7 is even worse. For example, my 1.4ghz thinkpad was sorta more tolerable than my 1.7ghz. Also - older thinkpads come with Matte display that's adjustable brightness & human-friendly. Also the tricky part is to get one with at least Win-7, since Win XP security updates isn't supported anymore. Though I guess you could try AVG with it. Or maybe use Linux. I don't know. P.S. I use a Comtrend modem provided by ISP. I unfortunately only have 1mbs DSL speed, since their 1.5mbs packets were unavailable anymore, even though the latter is optimal for my distance from C.O. The Comtrend modem was programmed by the ISP to double as router. They'd once sent a D-Lin modem (or something like that) which was not programmable as router. The Comtrend may be better.
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I've tried the TP Link modem but did not have success
with that. I also tried moving my ATT Modem about 15 ft. away to the other side of the room and used a 25 ft. ethernet cord. That seemed to make it worse than using the short cord. I've moved about 5 ft away from my laptop and am using an external keyboard. I do ok on dial up and I'm trying to find a solution to using DSL. Possible Options: Getting a different ethernet cord that's more shielded. (Does anyone know where I could get that) Putting Shielding Fabric over the modum. I don't know if either of those things would work, I'm really looking for a solution. Also, using other equipment to block the problem seems to make it worse. Would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks! Susan |
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They do make shielded (and grounded) ethernet cables, but in my brief experiments I found these to make my symptoms worse, so I instead just use regular ethernet cables.
Also, my solution to DSL problems was to abandon it and go to cable instead. Still using ethernet cabling, and purchasing my own modem that has no wireless capability. Marc |
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I use a simple little DSL modem. Thanx Marc: I bookmarked the link to the one you have. One thing about not being able to tolerate wifi is that a rural area is required and most the ones I have found have nothing but dial up if that. The ones that have high speed are still under 1.5. I have 12 now.
I also have read the article about computing for sensitives. It seems like trial and error coupled w/ avoiding use of the computer more. I know I will after I move and am not trying to plan a solar system and off grid life all in one fast flash. |
I am a big fan of less emf. Have you talked to them about what they have? I have found they do not try to up sell or push anything, but present items on the basis of their value and your need.
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