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Susan
Because of my sensitivity I use Dial Up to connect to the internet
most of the time.  I have DSL high speed but only use it to download
and watch videos.  I'm still very sensitive to the DSL and have a project
I'm working on that requires me using it.  I've been told that if I buy a
computer with a accelerated processor or AMD processor vs a intel pentium
processor I will be less sensitive.

Can anyone give me information about a good computer to buy that has
less effect on EMS.  The new computers don't have the option to use
Dial Up so if I buy a computer I would have to be able to tolerate using
DSL all the time.  I've also been told that getting a D Link modum could
make a difference.


Any information would be much appreciated.
Thank You,
Susan

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Marc Martin
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Hi Susan,

I am also super sensitive to DSL, although I had it for years and tried
lots of things.  I've never heard anyone say that AMD processor
computers were better than Intel computers.  I am currently using
one of the Lenovo "business" computers, and find it more tolerable
than many that I've tried (mine is a model from several years ago,
an M58e Tower).

As for DSL, I've found the following things to make a difference:

- since the DSL signal travels through all of the phone wiring
  in your house, having the phone company install a dedicated
  wire to just one phone jack with the DSL on it can help (all
  of the other phone wiring in the house is then free of DSL)

- the choice of modem can make a difference.  I tried about
  6 different modems and used the one that bothered me the
  least.  If you are interested in the exact modem, I can
  find that out for you.  It was manufactured by TP-LINK.

- In my case, the slower the speed of the DSL, the more
  tolerable it was.  For example, 7Mbps was much worse
  than 1.5Mbs.

- Having the modem and phone wiring with DSL on it further
  away from you helps.  I have no difficulties with the
  ethernet wiring that comes out of the modem -- it is the
  modem itself, along with the phone wiring that causes me
  symptoms.

Also, many people jump to the conclusion that the problem
is all about wi-fi, but I've never had wi-fi in my house, nor
do I use modems that even have that built-in.  So this is
purely a (wired) DSL problem for me.

These days, I use cable modem, but also had to take
similar steps. But I can tolerate faster speeds using cable
than DSL.

Marc



On November 22, "Susan [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

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>
> Because of my sensitivity I use Dial Up to connect to the internet
> most of the time.  I have DSL high speed but only use it to download
> and watch videos.  I'm still very sensitive to the DSL and have a project
> I'm working on that requires me using it.  I've been told that if I buy a
> computer with a accelerated processor or AMD processor vs a intel pentium
> processor I will be less sensitive.
>
> Can anyone give me information about a good computer to buy that has
> less effect on EMS.  The new computers don't have the option to use
> Dial Up so if I buy a computer I would have to be able to tolerate using
> DSL all the time.  I've also been told that getting a D Link modum could
> make a difference.
>
>
> Any information would be much appreciated.
> Thank You,
> Susan
>
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Marc Martin
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Oh, here is the DSL modem that I found to be the most tolerable of the ones
that I tried -- a TP-LINK 8840T modem/router/switch.  I assume that this
would work with any DSL, although it might require some help to set it up:

  http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003CFATME/

Marc
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charles
Look at the last image on:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina600.html
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Marc Martin
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On November 24, "charles [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Look at the last image on:
> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina600.html

That looks like a well-shielded computer.  :-)

So that stuff works well for ES people?

Here's another link to it, Aaronia A2000+:

  http://www.aaronia.com/products/shielding-screening/A2000+-20dB/

Marc
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charles
If one takes the trouble in looking at the Powerpoints on that page, a lot about elektrosmog should be clearer.

With this glassfiber fabric, the shielding of (measurable) transversal waves is not so high, about 20dB, but the main popint here is, that this fabric does reflect the longitudinal waves.
I have great results with shielding like on the images.

It is my opinion, that the longitudinal waves do have a much larger biological impact on our bodies, than the transversal waves.

It happens many times that electrosensitive persons do *feel* a lot, while the meters do show nothing.
Those persons are not crazy, they are just under the influence of longitudinal waves.
And longitudinal waves do travel over a much larger distance than longitudinal waves.
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Marc Martin
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Interesting.  Maybe I should try this on my new cable TV decoder box / hard drive recorder.

Marc



On November 24, "charles [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

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>
> If one takes the trouble in looking at the Powerpoints on that page, a lot
> about elektrosmog should be clearer.
>
> With this glassfiber fabric, the shielding of (measurable) transversal waves
> is not so high, about 20dB, but the main popint here is, that this fabric
> does reflect the longitudinal waves.
> I have great results with shielding like on the images.
>
> It is my opinion, that the longitudinal waves do have a much larger
> biological impact on our bodies, than the transversal waves.
>
> It happens many times that electrosensitive persons do *feel* a lot, while
> the meters do show nothing.
> Those persons are not crazy, they are just under the influence of
> longitudinal waves.
> And longitudinal waves do travel over a much larger distance than
> longitudinal waves.
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Marc Martin
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Okay, I've just ordered a roll of this shielding material (Aaronia A2000+), so I can try it out on a variety of things.   The salesperson tried to sell me the "better" 50db shielding material, although I said no because I didn't know if the comments about longitudinal waves also applied to the stronger shielding material.
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Susan
Thank you so much Marc!

I will try the Modum you suggested.

Have you tried the Shielding Fabric yet.
Please let me know if it works.

I have a old Dell Vostro 1400 laptop computer,
so I'm not sure how I would use it on a laptop.
I'll call Aaronia in Georgia and talk to them about
it.

Thanks!
Susan


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Susan
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Thanks for the information Charles.

I'm looking into ordering the shielding fabric.

Susan
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Marc Martin
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On December  3, "Susan [via ES]" <ml-node+s966376n4027502h62@n3.nabble.com> wrote:
> Have you tried the Shielding Fabric yet.
> Please let me know if it works.

I haven't received it yet... but I think it has been shipped.

I wasn't planning on using this for a laptop... I was planning on using
it for a TIVO cable TV recorder.  But I could also try it out on my
desktop tower PC.

Using this shielding on a laptop or a computer monitor probably
wouldn't work well, as it would obscure the screen.  There are
more transparent shielding options, although I can't say with
any certainty that anything I've tried in the past for that has
helped.  The most help I've had with such things fall into
the category of "EMF protection devices", which are very
hit & miss with people, and others refuse to believe they
work at all (sometimes they believe this without even trying
them)

Marc
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Fog Top
Here's an article with lots of useful info about low EMF computing written by an electro sensitive biochemist, Richard Conrad.
 
http://www.conradbiologic.com/articles/%20LowEMFComputing.html

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 10:24:04 -0700
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To: [hidden email]
Subject: [ES] Re: Computers

On December  3, "Susan [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Have you tried the Shielding Fabric yet.
> Please let me know if it works.

I haven't received it yet... but I think it has been shipped.

I wasn't planning on using this for a laptop... I was planning on using
it for a TIVO cable TV recorder.  But I could also try it out on my
desktop tower PC.

Using this shielding on a laptop or a computer monitor probably
wouldn't work well, as it would obscure the screen.  There are
more transparent shielding options, although I can say with
any certainty that anything I've tried in the past for that has
helped.  The most help I've had with such things fall into
the category of "EMF protection devices", which are very
hit & miss with people, and others refuse to believe they
work at all (sometimes they believe this without even trying
them)

Marc



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Also Susan, note that when I talked to Aaronia in Georgia, they wanted to sell me a "better" shielding fabric.  I don't know if Charles has an opinion on the better fabrics or not... the one I ordered was the one that Charles specifically recommended... the 20dB reduction "tissue".

Marc
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charles
Be aware that we are talking about reflecting longitudinal waves.

Sure for shielding transversal waves, the shielding factor of this A2000 glassfiber is only 20dB, while their other fabrics can shield about 50dB, which is a lot more for transversal waves, but it is no goos for reflecting our longitudinal waves.

The sellers of these products do not know about longitudinal waves.
But look at the images at http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina600.html

Reiner Gebbensleben, the specialsit about longitudinal waves, or Hyperschall as he calls it, has found this equation about the wall thickness of the maze versus the opening.
See his Powerpoints.

Very sensitive electrosensitives do feel the difference immediately.
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Marc Martin
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On December  3, "charles [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Sure for shielding transversal waves, the shielding factor of this A2000
> glassfiber is only 20dB, while their other fabrics can shield about 50dB,
> which is a lot more for transversal waves, but it is no goos for reflecting
> our longitudinal waves.

Yes, that was my concern.  That the 50dB material may be worse than
the 20dB material for what I was trying to do.  Also, I think if you are
surrounding electronics with shielding fabric, then that fabric needs to
allow the heat from the electronics to escape, and I think the 20dB
material allows heat to escape much better than the 50dB material.

> The sellers of these products do not know about longitudinal waves.
> But look at the images at http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina600.html

The images on that page also show some aluminum foil wrapped around
power cords, mouse cords, etc..  Is there anything special about that foil,
or is that just regular foil you find in a hardware shop?

Marc
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Minni
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Older used thinkpads - with lower ghz frequency.

These days you're forced to walk a tightrope between high-speed requirements, and tolerability.

So 1.7ghz just might cut it.

Even that frequency can irritate ES.
Any higher than 1.7 is even worse.

For example, my 1.4ghz thinkpad was sorta more tolerable than my 1.7ghz.

Also - older thinkpads come with Matte display that's adjustable brightness & human-friendly.

Also the tricky part is to get one with at least Win-7, since Win XP security updates isn't supported anymore. Though I guess you could try AVG with it.
Or maybe use Linux. I don't know.

P.S. I use a Comtrend modem provided by ISP. I unfortunately only have 1mbs DSL speed, since their 1.5mbs packets were unavailable anymore, even though the latter is optimal for my distance from C.O.
The Comtrend modem was programmed by the ISP to double as router. They'd once sent a D-Lin modem (or something like that) which was not programmable as router. The Comtrend may be better.
Electrostatically Yours,
Minni, Lysine4flu blog
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Susan
I've tried the TP Link modem but did not have success
with that.  I also tried moving my ATT Modem about
15 ft. away to the other side of the room and used a
25 ft. ethernet cord.  That seemed to make it worse than
using the short cord.  I've moved about 5 ft away from
my laptop and am using an external keyboard.

I do ok on dial up and I'm trying to find a solution to
using DSL.  Possible Options:  Getting a different ethernet
cord that's more shielded. (Does anyone know where I
could get that) Putting Shielding Fabric over the modum.
I don't know if either of those things would work, I'm really
looking for a solution.  Also, using other equipment to block
the problem seems to make it worse.

Would appreciate any suggestions.
Thanks!
Susan
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Marc Martin
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They do make shielded (and grounded) ethernet cables, but in my brief experiments I found these to make my symptoms worse, so I instead just use regular ethernet cables.

Also, my solution to DSL problems was to abandon it and go to cable instead.  Still using ethernet cabling, and purchasing my own modem that has no wireless capability.

Marc
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JDark
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I use a simple little DSL modem. Thanx Marc: I bookmarked the link to the one you have. One thing about not being able to tolerate wifi is that a rural area is required and most the ones I have found have nothing but dial up if that. The ones that have high speed are still under 1.5.  I have 12 now.

I also have read the article about computing for sensitives. It seems like trial and error coupled w/ avoiding use of the computer more. I know I will after I move and am not trying to plan a solar system and off grid life all in one fast flash.

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JDark
I am a big fan of less emf.  Have you talked to them about what they have?  I have found they do not try to up sell or push anything, but present items on the basis of their value and your need.
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