Compact fluorescents

California Assemblyman Lloyd Levine has introduced a bill that would
ban the use of incandescent light bulbs, and force consumers to use
compact fluorescent bulbs which are more energy efficient.

Bad news for us if this trend becomes popular, as the fluorescent bulbs
may be EMR-producing. In a few years, we may have to start (illegally)
hoarding incandescent bulbs... or go back to candlelight.


John Lankes

johnlankes wrote:
> California Assemblyman Lloyd Levine has introduced a bill that would
> ban the use of incandescent light bulbs, and force consumers to use
> compact fluorescent bulbs which are more energy efficient.
>
> Bad news for us if this trend becomes popular, as the fluorescent bulbs
> may be EMR-producing. In a few years, we may have to start (illegally)
> hoarding incandescent bulbs... or go back to candlelight.

Heh, heh... I doubt that bill will pass... there is a HUGE market
for incandescent lighting.

Also, LED lighting will become more popular and affordable in the
coming years. I have a couple LED "incandescent replacement" bulbs
for testing purposes, and these don't seem to bother me at all...

Marc

There is no "maybe" about compact fluorescents producing harmful
frequencies. Fluorescents work by chopping up the sine wave.
Magda Havas is finishing up a study of different brands of CFL bulbs, to
see just what frequencies they each produce.
We have been talking with follks at www.mercola.com (Dr. Mercola's site)
about this problem, and they say that they have just had their private
manufacturer install filtering in the bulbs that they now offer. (This will not
stop the bulb from creating the harmful frequencies, but will keep the
frequencies from being passed on in the electrical wiring.) We have invited the
Mercola folks to send one of these filtered bulbs to be included in Dr. Havas'
test.
When Dr. Havas has written up the results of the study I will post
something about it.

Regards,
Shivani
www.LifeEnergies.com


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Shivani writes about compact flourecents -

Paul replies -

Its funny, I developed ES while working in a large historic mansion house.
Approx 1997-98, all the incandescent bulbs in the office sector were replaced
with CF bulbs. At the same time I had cat2 flourecents installed in my
office. A microwave alarm system was installed, and then all pcs went from DOS
operating system to Windows, at which point my 20inch VDU was left flickering
at 60hz, where I guess previously it was running at 80-100hz. I endured the
flicker for 2months until I worked out how to change the refresh rate.
I recall the house electrician saying to me that the electricity to the
house was very spikey, I did not know what he meant by this then. During my time
there a lady who lived in the house died of cancer! Many historic houses
get this upgrade treatment thats a lot of old wiring taking alot of new
technology/equipment.

I was also in close proximity to a 415hrz radio estate antennea x 3, and sat
imedaitely behind a horizontal mains wire and computer cabling, as well as
being directly below a lightbeam smoke detection device which must have been
emitting more than basic light.

I developed a upper limb disorder in my Left hand/arm/neck (tenosynovitis
and hypertonic/hypertropied muscles from using the mouse, with one finger
operation). This was probably due to my bodies inability to keep pace with the
damage that the emf exposure was causing in me, ironically I was/looked
fighting fit then. I was exposed to a high level of chemical called Sodium
bediocarb (flea treatment) and then my first son was born. My job became threatened
due to my es and upperlimb disorder. I develpoed severe excema on my
hands,arms, legs. The stress levels at this time given the whole package as
described, was also a major factor here I guess, but one that is not easily divorced
from the scenario, ie chicken/egg relationship.


Paul


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I just read on CNN that New Jersey is doing the same thing.

--- In [hidden email], "johnlankes" <johnlankes@...> wrote:
>
> California Assemblyman Lloyd Levine has introduced a bill that would
> ban the use of incandescent light bulbs, and force consumers to use
> compact fluorescent bulbs which are more energy efficient.
>
> Bad news for us if this trend becomes popular, as the fluorescent
bulbs
> may be EMR-producing. In a few years, we may have to start
(illegally)
> hoarding incandescent bulbs... or go back to candlelight.
>
>
> John Lankes
>

Soon we will know whether the manufacturer of the CFL bulbs for the
folks at Mercola.com has indeed added a filter that stops the RF from being
passed onto the circuit.

There is another option, which is LED bulbs.

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com


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Are LED light bulbs good for e. sensitive people? Do you know of a source? Thanks.
Paresh

http://home.earthlink.net/~sunmoonyoga/

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> Are LED light bulbs good for e. sensitive people?
> Do you know of a source?

I've purchased a couple of LED light bulbs and briefly
tried them out. I did not notice any ES problems from
them, but I didn't like that they were very dim, and
also the color of the light was too "blue" for my
tastes (next time I buy one listed as "warm white").
Also, LED light bulbs are still very expensive, but
the price should fall in the next few years.

There are a lot of LED products out there from variety
of manufacturers. For example, a quick Internet search
reveals these:

http://www.ccrane.com/lights/led-light-bulbs/index.aspx
http://www.theledlight.com/120-VAC-LEDbulbs.html
http://www.x-tremegeek.com/templates/searchdetail.asp?productID=13112

If anyone has any experiences with LED light bulbs,
I'd be interested in hearing how their reaction
compares to incandescent and florescent bulbs.

Marc

I have a couple LED light bulbs, and can say they have ZERO rf or emf
emissions, and ZERO magnetic field.
Which is a considerable difference from compact flourescent bulbs, which
put out a Lot of noise.

Since I don't seem to be sensitive to the light or color of flourescent
bulbs, (just the flicker and emf noise), I can't testify to that angle.

I agree, they are not as bright, and still cost too much, but for low
lighting, or night-time wandering (when you don't want bright lights
on), they are very nice.

Stewart

Marc Martin wrote:
> > Are LED light bulbs good for e. sensitive people?
> > Do you know of a source?
>
> If anyone has any experiences with LED light bulbs,
> I'd be interested in hearing how their reaction
> compares to incandescent and florescent bulbs.
>
>

LED bulbs do not create damaging frequencies as CFL bulbs do. This is
not my opinion, but a fact, based on readings taken by Dr. Magda Havas.
She thinks that LED bulbs are the way of the future.

When her study of the frequencies produced by different brands of CFL
bulbs is finished, I will post something about it. There may be one that is
now safe, as the maker has added a filter.

I have read that there are now true white LED bulbs. I have a couple
of LED solar-recharge lanterns that have a very warm white light, like an
incandescent bulb. These are bright enough to read by and I like them very much.
We use them at night after we turn off some circuits, and also outdoors.
Made by Ledtronics. (Do not get the charger that you plug into electricity.
It has no automatic shutoff and will ruin your battery.)

There has also been a recent breakthrough in LED technology, resulting
in more brightness. Soon this should reach the market.

Regards,
Shivani
www.LifeEnergies.com


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> LED bulbs do not create damaging frequencies as CFL bulbs do.
> This is not my opinion, but a fact, based on readings taken by
> Dr. Magda Havas.

So does this mean that LED lights do not have AC-to-DC transformers
in them? For some reason, I thought they did...

Marc

> > LED bulbs do not create damaging farequencies as CFL bulbs do.  
> > This is not my opinion, but a fact, based on readings taken by
> > Dr. Magda Havas.  
>
> So does this mean that LED lights do not have AC-to-DC transformers
> in them? For some reason, I thought they did...
>
> Marc
>

Good question. It's common knowledge that
LEDs themselves are emission free, but what
about the power modules? Many are switching
mode and produce RF.

And what are damaging frequencies? 60 Hz at a
few mili gauss wipes me out (take a soldering
iron, or transformer for instance) - just as
damaging as a cell phone or fluorescent lights.

Eli

I just bought some full spectrum bulbs. I got the lead from Mercola
and the company they mentioned there actually stopped making those
bulbs and referred me to another company that had the sizes i
wanted: www.lightforhealth.com. I am disapplinted to learn that
these are probably high emf bulbs. But the light is great, bright
and not a strain on the eyes even if you stare at it. I can't find
my meter at the moment to check the emf radiation.

Paul


--- In [hidden email], SArjuna@... wrote:
>
> There is no "maybe" about compact fluorescents producing
harmful
> frequencies. Fluorescents work by chopping up the sine wave.
> Magda Havas is finishing up a study of different brands of
CFL bulbs, to
> see just what frequencies they each produce.
> We have been talking with follks at www.mercola.com (Dr.
Mercola's site)
> about this problem, and they say that they have just had their
private
> manufacturer install filtering in the bulbs that they now offer.  
(This will not
> stop the bulb from creating the harmful frequencies, but will keep
the
> frequencies from being passed on in the electrical wiring.) We
have invited the
> Mercola folks to send one of these filtered bulbs to be included
in Dr. Havas'
> test.  
> When Dr. Havas has written up the results of the study I will
post
> something about it.
>
> Regards,
> Shivani
> www.LifeEnergies.com
>
>
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>

I just bought some full spectrum bulbs. I got the lead from Mercola
and the company they mentioned there actually stopped making those
bulbs and referred me to another company that had the sizes i
wanted: www.lightforhealth.com. I am disapplinted to learn that
these are probably high emf bulbs. But the light is great, bright
and not a strain on the eyes even if you stare at it. I can't find
my meter at the moment to check the emf radiation.

Paul


--- In [hidden email], SArjuna@... wrote:
>
> There is no "maybe" about compact fluorescents producing
harmful
> frequencies. Fluorescents work by chopping up the sine wave.
> Magda Havas is finishing up a study of different brands of
CFL bulbs, to
> see just what frequencies they each produce.
> We have been talking with follks at www.mercola.com (Dr.
Mercola's site)
> about this problem, and they say that they have just had their
private
> manufacturer install filtering in the bulbs that they now offer.  
(This will not
> stop the bulb from creating the harmful frequencies, but will keep
the
> frequencies from being passed on in the electrical wiring.) We
have invited the
> Mercola folks to send one of these filtered bulbs to be included
in Dr. Havas'
> test.  
> When Dr. Havas has written up the results of the study I will
post
> something about it.
>
> Regards,
> Shivani
> www.LifeEnergies.com
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

sctdh wrote:
> I just bought some full spectrum bulbs. I got the lead from Mercola
> and the company they mentioned there actually stopped making those
> bulbs and referred me to another company that had the sizes i
> wanted: www.lightforhealth.com. I am disapplinted to learn that
> these are probably high emf bulbs. But the light is great, bright
> and not a strain on the eyes even if you stare at it. I can't find
> my meter at the moment to check the emf radiation.

Yes, I think ALL compact florescent bulbs are probably bad for
ES. 6 years ago I tried out several different brands, including
the shielded "Ott Lights". I had a bad reaction to all of them.
In those days, I even reacted slightly to incandescent lighting,
but the compact fluorescents were much worse. It's funny
this company calls itself "light for health". I guess they don't
even consider the health aspects of the EMF...

Marc

No transformer needed for LED.
If it had a transformer, it would light up the gaussmeter!

Very different from flourescent lighting which needs ballast transformers.

I suspect they are using a combination of resister and diode, since
there is no large amperage requirement.
My knowledge if electronics is not specific enough to design a circuit,
so I might be leaving out a capacitor.

Just remembered to test on the GS meter,
with the 18-bulb-LED off, the reading is 47, and on is down to 43.
So perhaps it does have a capacitor, like the GS filters.

Stewart

Marc Martin wrote:
>> LED bulbs do not create damaging frequencies as CFL bulbs do.
>> This is not my opinion, but a fact, based on readings taken by
>> Dr. Magda Havas.
>>
>
> So does this mean that LED lights do not have AC-to-DC transformers
> in them? For some reason, I thought they did...
>
>

Hi,

A soldering iron makes a substantial magnetic and electric field.

whereas cell phones and flourescent ballasts make a lot of noise, in the
radio part of the spectrum. (EM smog)

Which LED bulbs have "switching modes"?

Some do have rotating colors. I would categorically avoid them.

Stewart

jaime_schunkewitz wrote:

I called Creed, they don't use switching power supplies for
their LED light bulbs. So the circuit must look something like
those shown here (see "AC Line powered LEDs":
www.ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bill_Bowden/page10.htm

These LED drivers are switching, and produce RF noise. But
they regulate the current to the LEDs.
www.leddynamics.com/LuxDrive/drivers.php

I just want to remind people again, that the bright white LED bulbs
ARE FLUORESCENT bulbs. You can look it up. Eventually all the colored
ones will be.

They DO put out radiation, and make me everybit as ill as compact
fluorescents and sometimes more so than the regular ones.

You may still be able to find older ones that are not, but they are
not the bright, bright ones.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "jaime_schunkewitz"
<jaime_schunkewitz@...> wrote:
>
> > > LED bulbs do not create damaging farequencies as CFL bulbs
do.  
> > > This is not my opinion, but a fact, based on readings taken by
> > > Dr. Magda Havas.  
> >
> > So does this mean that LED lights do not have AC-to-DC
transformers

> They DO put out radiation, and make me everybit as ill as compact
> fluorescents and sometimes more so than the regular ones.

Still, they are completely different technology than compact
florescent bulbs, and we've already noted that they have different
characteristics when taking meter readings, and at least some
people here do not react to them when they did react to
compact florescents.

Also, it appears from recent postings that it may make a difference
in who manufactures the bulb, as differences in the electronics
driving the LEDs may be the difference between having symptoms
and not. (I suppose people should state who the manufacturer
is when saying that they do or do not have symptoms from a
particular LED bulb)

Marc