British streetlights to go on dimmer switches...

I came across this article, it says that in a part of Britain, they're planning to put the streetlights on computer controlled (if I read correctly, skimming through it) dimmer switches, to save energy.

Is it just me, or is this, from an electromagnetic standpoint, really stupid? (Given that, unless I'm wrong, don't dimmer switches create dirty electricity? And then if you've got it on the street lights, you've got streets full of more RF, and a whole power grid further polluted?)

Grr...

Though someone tell me if I'm talking nonsense/making false assumptions.

R.



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Dimmer switches are bad. There are different kinds... the best ones they
could use will not make a radio buzz but still emit around 100kHz (maybe
200kHz) which would still be unhealthy I assume. I guess the other
possibility is if they use a rectifier...this would only give them one level
of dimming. If done right it might not be worse than regular AC but the
ones I've seen are worse.

Bill



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> Is it just me, or is this, from an electromagnetic standpoint, really
> stupid? (Given that, unless I'm wrong, don't dimmer switches create dirty
> electricity?

Yes, I would think the dimmers would cause more RF noise... they'd be better
off using less powerful light bulbs...

Marc

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writes:

Dimmer switches are bad. There are different kinds... the best ones they
could use will not make a radio buzz but still emit around 100kHz (maybe
200kHz) which would still be unhealthy I assume. I guess the other
possibility is if they use a rectifier...this would only give them one
level
of dimming. If done right it might not be worse than regular AC but the
ones I've seen are worse.

Bill



PUK replies - We already have a swathe of wireless controlled lights ready
for installation here, I wonder if these dimmer switches will be operated
wirelessly or be photo sensitive ?


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So ES people should not have any Dimmer Switches in the house of any kind, correct? 
 
Loni

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Subject: Re: [eSens] British streetlights to go on dimmer switches...
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Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 3:19 PM


Dimmer switches are bad.   There are different kinds... the best onesthey
could use will not make a radio buzz but still emit around 100kHz (maybe
200kHz) which would still be unhealthy I assume.   I guess the other
possibility is if they use a rectifier...this would only give them one level
of dimming.  If done right it might not be worse than regular AC but the
ones I've seen are worse.

Bill



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> So ES people should not have any Dimmer Switches in the house of any
> kind, correct? 

I think (and someone will correct me if I'm wrong), dimmer switches
can be okay if they are turned all the way up (full brightness),
or turned all the way off. It's just when the light is dimmed
when they cause problems.

In my wife's business, she has dimmer switches on all the lights.
That place was intolerable to me until I put a Quantum Products
power strip in one of the outlets. Now the place doesn't bother
me at all (but I'm also less sensitive these days). We don't
have any dimmer switches at home.

Marc

You must have spent big bucks on those Quantum Products. I'm going to have to reevaluate those products. Loni

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Subject: Re: [eSens] British streetlights to go on dimmer switches...
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Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 10:34 AM


 



> So ES people should not have any Dimmer Switches in the house of any
> kind, correct? 

I think (and someone will correct me if I'm wrong), dimmer switches
can be okay if they are turned all the way up (full brightness),
or turned all the way off. It's just when the light is dimmed
when they cause problems.

In my wife's business, she has dimmer switches on all the lights.
That place was intolerable to me until I put a Quantum Products
power strip in one of the outlets. Now the place doesn't bother
me at all (but I'm also less sensitive these days). We don't
have any dimmer switches at home.

Marc








     

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> You must have spent big bucks on those Quantum Products. I'm going to
> have to reevaluate those products. Loni

Well, you already tried one of the stronger items from Quantum Products
and it didn't help you, so you may just not have the same favorable
reaction to them that I do. Just like I don't notice much difference
with the Q-Link, while it makes a big difference for you.

Or perhaps, now that you've had some benefit from the Q-Link, maybe
you'll notice some extra benefits from Quantum Products that you didn't
notice before. That is, the combination of devices may work better than
just one device alone.

But yes, over the past 9 years, I have spent a lot of money on various
items from Quantum Products. Fortunately (unlike some other EMF
protection devices I've bought) they help, and none of them have ever
been lost, stolen, or broken (other than the exterior case for a
Quantum Companion, which I was able to replace with another case bought
cheap on eBay).

Marc

correct
Kris




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So ES people should not have any Dimmer Switches in the house of any kind, correct?

Loni

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Subject: Re: [eSens] British streetlights to go on dimmer switches...
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Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 3:19 PM


Dimmer switches are bad. There are different kinds... the best ones they
could use will not make a radio buzz but still emit around 100kHz (maybe
200kHz) which would still be unhealthy I assume. I guess the other
possibility is if they use a rectifier...this would only give them one level
of dimming. If done right it might not be worse than regular AC but the
ones I've seen are worse.

Bill



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no they are bad no matter how low or how high they are on. I had to live by one of my cousins when I first was diagnosed with MCS. She had dimmer switches and our gauss meter went crazy by them even when they were "off" (There was a little night light glowing even when they were off.) wasn't good. Didn't matter if they were on high either.
KRis




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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 11:34:37 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] British streetlights to go on dimmer switches...

> So ES people should not have any Dimmer Switches in the house of any
> kind, correct?

I think (and someone will correct me if I'm wrong), dimmer switches
can be okay if they are turned all the way up (full brightness),
or turned all the way off. It's just when the light is dimmed
when they cause problems.

In my wife's business, she has dimmer switches on all the lights.
That place was intolerable to me until I put a Quantum Products
power strip in one of the outlets. Now the place doesn't bother
me at all (but I'm also less sensitive these days). We don't
have any dimmer switches at home.

Marc


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> no they are bad no matter how low or how high they are on.

I think it really depends on the specific dimmer switch. I'm sure
that there are (like you say) dimmer switches which are bad all
the time. But I think there are probably others that are only
bad when dimmed, and perfectly fine when turned off or fully on.

I think the situation is the similar with the new LED lighting.
Some LEDs pollute the electricity, while others don't.

Marc

WE had one basic one in our home here too but it was bad as well whether is was pushed on and all the way up or pushed off. in my experience I wouldn't trust them.

I've heard about that with the LED some good some bad.
Kris




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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 12:56:08 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] British streetlights to go on dimmer switches...

> no they are bad no matter how low or how high they are on.

I think it really depends on the specific dimmer switch. I'm sure
that there are (like you say) dimmer switches which are bad all
the time. But I think there are probably others that are only
bad when dimmed, and perfectly fine when turned off or fully on.

I think the situation is the similar with the new LED lighting.
Some LEDs pollute the electricity, while others don't.

Marc


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Does anybody know any good LED lights?

David



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Sent: 21 February 2010 07:18
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WE had one basic one in our home here too but it was bad as well whether is
was pushed on and all the way up or pushed off. in my experience I wouldn't
trust them.

I've heard about that with the LED some good some bad.
Kris

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To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 12:56:08 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] British streetlights to go on dimmer switches...

> no they are bad no matter how low or how high they are on.

I think it really depends on the specific dimmer switch. I'm sure
that there are (like you say) dimmer switches which are bad all
the time. But I think there are probably others that are only
bad when dimmed, and perfectly fine when turned off or fully on.

I think the situation is the similar with the new LED lighting.
Some LEDs pollute the electricity, while others don't.

Marc

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I was wondering about LED so thanks for that. Doesn't it seem the technology would be the same & not dependant on the which LED you had?  Like all flourescent lighting would be considered toxic would it not?  Loni

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WE had one basic one in our home here too but it was bad as well whether iswas pushed on and all the way up or pushed off. in my experience I wouldn't trust them.

I've heard about that with the LED some good some bad.
Kris

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From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 12:56:08 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] British streetlights to go on dimmer switches...

> no they are bad no matter how low or how high they are on.

I think it really depends on the specific dimmer switch. I'm sure
that there are (like you say) dimmer switches which are bad all
the time. But I think there are probably others that are only
bad when dimmed, and perfectly fine when turned off or fully on.

I think the situation is the similar with the new LED lighting.
Some LEDs pollute the electricity, while others don't.

Marc

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> I was wondering about LED so thanks for that. Doesn't it seem the
> technology would be the same & not dependant on the which LED you had? 
> Like all flourescent lighting would be considered toxic would it not? 

Yes, but all florescent lights have ballasts/transformers. I don't think
all LEDs have transformers, but some do (?). I haven't really looked
much into LEDs yet, as they've always been so expensive and not producing
much light. But they should get cheaper & brighter in the future, and
I'm sure we'll eventually figure out which ones are the good ones from
an ES standpoint.

Marc

> I was wondering about LED so thanks for that. Doesn't it seem the
> technology would be the same & not dependant on the which LED you had? 

Just take a look at the various types of LED lights currently for
sale - you can see that there are various types of technology
being used (perhaps with more to come?):

http://www.eaglelight.com/category/shop.led_bulbs/

Marc

floursescent lighting takes a ballast which is like a transformer. Transformers give off a lot of EMF plus a lot of people are bothered by the flicker they can shine as well esp those who suffer from migraines.





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Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 8:43:03 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] British streetlights to go on dimmer switches...

I was wondering about LED so thanks for that. Doesn't it seem the technology would be the same & not dependant on the which LED you had? Like all flourescent lighting would be considered toxic would it not? Loni

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WE had one basic one in our home here too but it was bad as well whether is was pushed on and all the way up or pushed off. in my experience I wouldn't trust them.

I've heard about that with the LED some good some bad.
Kris

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From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 12:56:08 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] British streetlights to go on dimmer switches...

> no they are bad no matter how low or how high they are on.

I think it really depends on the specific dimmer switch. I'm sure
that there are (like you say) dimmer switches which are bad all
the time. But I think there are probably others that are only
bad when dimmed, and perfectly fine when turned off or fully on.

I think the situation is the similar with the new LED lighting.
Some LEDs pollute the electricity, while others don't.

Marc

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Hi Marc,



The LED Dimmable 100-120W Replacement Bulb looks good. Do you not if it is
definitely okay - ie does not produce any dirty power.



I previously bought an EvoLux S 13w LED light bulb from EarthLED, but I
found this gave massive readings on my dirty electricity monitor. I think
this was because it had a motor to keep an inbuilt fan running to cool down
the heat produced when the light was on.



Regards

David



From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc
Martin
Sent: 22 February 2010 03:11
To: [hidden email]
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> I was wondering about LED so thanks for that. Doesn't it seem the
> technology would be the same & not dependant on the which LED you had?

Just take a look at the various types of LED lights currently for
sale - you can see that there are various types of technology
being used (perhaps with more to come?):

http://www.eaglelight.com/category/shop.led_bulbs/

Marc





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