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asurisuk

Blood

Hi Ian,
do you think the link is our blood, white cells, red cells, low
levels cause heart stuff and immune problems.

i'm onto this at the moment cos have been dropping below the normal
range on a number of blood markers recently. And it emerges i have
been hovering at the bottom end of the normal range ever since i got
ill 7 years ago, tho no one bothered to tell me until i dropped off
the bottom. What is it with these 'reference ranges' anyway. What
the heck are they supposed to mean?!

j

--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> Strangely enough, there is indeed a correlation between some of the
chronic
> illnesses and a heart condition - mitral valve prolapse (Sue has
it).
> There seems no obvious reason why a mild heart condition should
cause immune
> system problems etc- maybe more likely is that both are caused by a
separate
> common factor, as yet unknown.
> Ian
>
> _____
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of Paul
> Coffman
> Sent: 05 June 2007 22:26
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Need to talk to our neighbor
>
>
>
> I had that situation once and I talked to the guy and I lied and
said I had
> a heart condition that was affected by certain electical things -
it might
> be easier for someone to sympathize and comprehend that trying to
explain e
> sensitivity. He agreed to turn it off when he wasn't using it....
>
> On 6/5/07, Aline <haikuron@aol. <mailto:haikuron%40aol.com> com>
wrote:
> >
> > Hi again,
> >
> > We really need to talk to our neighbor about switching his wi-fi
off
> > when he's not using it (or at least at night).
> >
> > He's a nice guy and intelligent and I want to find something I can
> > print out specific to effects of wi-fi.
> >
> > Not sure how to approach him. Knock on the door. Call him and ask
to
> > meet. Wait to bump into him.
> >
> > We've always noticed that he is hardly ever in! He's always at
work,

> > he eats out and excercises morning and night. Maybe he can't stand
> > being in the house!
> >
> > Can anyone point me too a good article specifically about wi-fi.
> >
> > Any other advice?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Aline
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Paul Coffman
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

PUK

Re: Blood

In a message dated 6/6/2007 12:33:00 AM GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

We've always noticed that he is hardly ever in! He's always at
work,
> > he eats out and excercises morning and night. Maybe he can't stand
> > being in the house!
> >
> > Can anyone point me too a good article specifically about wi-fi.
> >
> > Any other advice?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Aline

Paul UK replies

Try this -
_Wi-fi: should we be worried?-Life & Style-Health-Features-TimesOnline_
(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/features/article665419.ece?
token=null&offset=0)

Try Mastsanity and Es uk websites loads of info and links - Omega news has a
lot

As far as your neighbour is concerned there is no time like the present,
dont procrastinate, think of what you want and go and see him with the line "Can
your spare me a moment" make sure that you have some viable solutions. I
have bought my neigbour an analogue phone. I met with my neighbour the other
day after months of building up animosity toward him (my ES has got so bad in
last 48hrs I had to bite the bullet as I know that he has placed his equipment
ie Dect so that it is away from him but quite obviously near to my house in
his sunlounge he has also placed a wifi router in there that is in constant
use. Since he was aware that I was ES I thought that very insensitive of him
and have begun to feel somewhat persecuted. It must be noted that he and most
of his family are chain smokers and this is also a problem, due to the odour
eminating ironically from the sunlounge where the offending euipment sits.
So its passive negative health impact allround !

Anyway - I work on the premise that you have a right to live in your home
free from unreasonable intrusion/encroachment from the activities of those who
surround you. It should be that those who use Wireless technologies must
sheild not the otherway around, it should/will fall back into the laps of the
manufacturers to do more to sheild thier devices. Dont forget that he might
have other wireless devices in his home, so you somehow need to work that out,
and leave on the basis that you trial the alteration removal, swithcing off
of these devices may be one at a time etc.. If you leave on the basis that its
only the DECT and you come back later to say that you are still sick then he
will fall back on the innate predjudice of not wanting to be told what to do,
and accusse you of never being satisfied,what next sort of thing, you dont
want to get yourself into that scenario, so pave the way.

PAUL UK

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Ian Kemp

RE: Blood

In reply to this post by asurisuk

Blood could easily be one factor. I'm only guessing really - so many
different things seem to affect people.

The "reference ranges" on the various blood tests are an indication of
"normal" range, but I don't know how serious things get if you're a bit
outside the range or at the bottom end of it. It seems to vary between
tests (and test agenecies) too. A specialist doctor may be able to
interpret. For instance, on glutathione and sulphate Sue was well below the
reference range ( for sulphate she was down to one-fifth of the correct
reading) so clearly something was seriously wrong. However for magnesium
the ref range was about 1.9-2.2 and she was about 1.8, which didn't seem
serious to me, but the specialist was concerned and felt that mag levels
should be well up in the range to be OK. And sure enough magnesium
infusions do seem to reduce Sue's tinnitus.

Who had been masuring your blood markers - was it the standard NHS test?
Maybe GP's, too, don't worry as long as the results are somewhere need the
range. At least with private tests you should always get to see the results
each time. The trouble then is knowing how to interpret them - whether to
worry or not!

Ian

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
canaryyuk
Sent: 06 June 2007 00:29
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Blood

Hi Ian,
do you think the link is our blood, white cells, red cells, low
levels cause heart stuff and immune problems.

i'm onto this at the moment cos have been dropping below the normal
range on a number of blood markers recently. And it emerges i have
been hovering at the bottom end of the normal range ever since i got
ill 7 years ago, tho no one bothered to tell me until i dropped off
the bottom. What is it with these 'reference ranges' anyway. What
the heck are they supposed to mean?!

j

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Ian Kemp"
<ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> Strangely enough, there is indeed a correlation between some of the
chronic
> illnesses and a heart condition - mitral valve prolapse (Sue has
it).
> There seems no obvious reason why a mild heart condition should
cause immune
> system problems etc- maybe more likely is that both are caused by a
separate
> common factor, as yet unknown.
> Ian
>
> _____
>
> From: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com] On
Behalf Of Paul
> Coffman
> Sent: 05 June 2007 22:26
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Need to talk to our neighbor
>
>
>
> I had that situation once and I talked to the guy and I lied and
said I had
> a heart condition that was affected by certain electical things -
it might
> be easier for someone to sympathize and comprehend that trying to
explain e
> sensitivity. He agreed to turn it off when he wasn't using it....
>
> On 6/5/07, Aline <haikuron@aol. <mailto:haikuron%40aol.com> com>
wrote:
> >
> > Hi again,
> >
> > We really need to talk to our neighbor about switching his wi-fi
off
> > when he's not using it (or at least at night).
> >
> > He's a nice guy and intelligent and I want to find something I can
> > print out specific to effects of wi-fi.
> >
> > Not sure how to approach him. Knock on the door. Call him and ask
to
> > meet. Wait to bump into him.
> >
> > We've always noticed that he is hardly ever in! He's always at
work,

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asurisuk

Re: Blood

In reply to this post by asurisuk

Hi Ian,
yes my blood test was just a 'standard' NHS full blood count.
My feeling is that one wants to be in the MIDDLE of any given
reference range.
I was arguing the toss with my GP. I said, "look, it says in my A
level biology text book that the average person has 7000 white blood
cells. Now i've currently got half that amount. Are you seriously
saying that a person with 7000 white cells and one with half that
number are going to FEEL exactly the same." He said yes, but its
bollocks, cos if it drops much lower you start to get very ill, so it
IS related to how many cells you've got.
ho hum.

--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> Blood could easily be one factor. I'm only guessing really - so
many
> different things seem to affect people.
>
> The "reference ranges" on the various blood tests are an indication
of
> "normal" range, but I don't know how serious things get if you're a
bit
> outside the range or at the bottom end of it. It seems to vary
between
> tests (and test agenecies) too. A specialist doctor may be able to
> interpret. For instance, on glutathione and sulphate Sue was well
below the
> reference range ( for sulphate she was down to one-fifth of the
correct
> reading) so clearly something was seriously wrong. However for
magnesium
> the ref range was about 1.9-2.2 and she was about 1.8, which didn't
seem
> serious to me, but the specialist was concerned and felt that mag
levels
> should be well up in the range to be OK. And sure enough magnesium
> infusions do seem to reduce Sue's tinnitus.
>
> Who had been masuring your blood markers - was it the standard NHS
test?
> Maybe GP's, too, don't worry as long as the results are somewhere
need the
> range. At least with private tests you should always get to see
the results
> each time. The trouble then is knowing how to interpret them -
whether to
> worry or not!
>
> Ian
>
> _____
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of

> canaryyuk
> Sent: 06 June 2007 00:29
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] Blood
>
>
>
> Hi Ian,
> do you think the link is our blood, white cells, red cells, low
> levels cause heart stuff and immune problems.
>
> i'm onto this at the moment cos have been dropping below the normal
> range on a number of blood markers recently. And it emerges i have
> been hovering at the bottom end of the normal range ever since i

got
> ill 7 years ago, tho no one bothered to tell me until i dropped off
> the bottom. What is it with these 'reference ranges' anyway. What
> the heck are they supposed to mean?!
>
> j
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
com, "Ian Kemp"
> <ianandsue.kemp@> wrote:
> >
> > Strangely enough, there is indeed a correlation between some of
the
> chronic
> > illnesses and a heart condition - mitral valve prolapse (Sue has
> it).
> > There seems no obvious reason why a mild heart condition should
> cause immune
> > system problems etc- maybe more likely is that both are caused by
a

> separate
> > common factor, as yet unknown.
> > Ian
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
> [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com] On
> Behalf Of Paul
> > Coffman
> > Sent: 05 June 2007 22:26
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Need to talk to our neighbor
> >
> >
> >
> > I had that situation once and I talked to the guy and I lied and
> said I had
> > a heart condition that was affected by certain electical things -
> it might
> > be easier for someone to sympathize and comprehend that trying to
> explain e
> > sensitivity. He agreed to turn it off when he wasn't using it....
> >
> > On 6/5/07, Aline <haikuron@aol. <mailto:haikuron%40aol.com> com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi again,
> > >
> > > We really need to talk to our neighbor about switching his wi-

fi
> off
> > > when he's not using it (or at least at night).
> > >
> > > He's a nice guy and intelligent and I want to find something I
can
> > > print out specific to effects of wi-fi.
> > >
> > > Not sure how to approach him. Knock on the door. Call him and
ask
> to
> > > meet. Wait to bump into him.
> > >
> > > We've always noticed that he is hardly ever in! He's always at
> work,
> > > he eats out and excercises morning and night. Maybe he can't
stand

> > > being in the house!
> > >
> > > Can anyone point me too a good article specifically about wi-fi.
> > >
> > > Any other advice?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Aline
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Paul Coffman
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

pete robinson

Re: Blood

In reply to this post by asurisuk

what magnesium test did sue get done because most of them are a waste
of time
On 7 Jun 2007, at 00:02, Ian Kemp wrote:

> Blood could easily be one factor. I'm only guessing really - so many
> different things seem to affect people.
>
> The "reference ranges" on the various blood tests are an indication of
> "normal" range, but I don't know how serious things get if you're a
> bit
> outside the range or at the bottom end of it. It seems to vary between
> tests (and test agenecies) too. A specialist doctor may be able to
> interpret. For instance, on glutathione and sulphate Sue was well
> below the
> reference range ( for sulphate she was down to one-fifth of the
> correct
> reading) so clearly something was seriously wrong. However for
> magnesium
> the ref range was about 1.9-2.2 and she was about 1.8, which didn't
> seem
> serious to me, but the specialist was concerned and felt that mag
> levels
> should be well up in the range to be OK. And sure enough magnesium
> infusions do seem to reduce Sue's tinnitus.
>
> Who had been masuring your blood markers - was it the standard NHS
> test?
> Maybe GP's, too, don't worry as long as the results are somewhere
> need the
> range. At least with private tests you should always get to see the
> results
> each time. The trouble then is knowing how to interpret them -
> whether to
> worry or not!
>
> Ian
>
> _____
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
> Of
> canaryyuk
> Sent: 06 June 2007 00:29
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] Blood
>
> Hi Ian,
> do you think the link is our blood, white cells, red cells, low
> levels cause heart stuff and immune problems.
>
> i'm onto this at the moment cos have been dropping below the normal
> range on a number of blood markers recently. And it emerges i have
> been hovering at the bottom end of the normal range ever since i got
> ill 7 years ago, tho no one bothered to tell me until i dropped off
> the bottom. What is it with these 'reference ranges' anyway. What
> the heck are they supposed to mean?!
>
> j
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Ian
> Kemp"
> <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
> >
> > Strangely enough, there is indeed a correlation between some of the
> chronic
> > illnesses and a heart condition - mitral valve prolapse (Sue has
> it).
> > There seems no obvious reason why a mild heart condition should
> cause immune
> > system problems etc- maybe more likely is that both are caused by a
> separate
> > common factor, as yet unknown.
> > Ian
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
> [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com] On
> Behalf Of Paul
> > Coffman
> > Sent: 05 June 2007 22:26
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Need to talk to our neighbor
> >
> >
> >
> > I had that situation once and I talked to the guy and I lied and
> said I had
> > a heart condition that was affected by certain electical things -
> it might
> > be easier for someone to sympathize and comprehend that trying to
> explain e
> > sensitivity. He agreed to turn it off when he wasn't using it....
> >
> > On 6/5/07, Aline <haikuron@aol. <mailto:haikuron%40aol.com> com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi again,
> > >
> > > We really need to talk to our neighbor about switching his wi-fi
> off
> > > when he's not using it (or at least at night).
> > >
> > > He's a nice guy and intelligent and I want to find something I can
> > > print out specific to effects of wi-fi.
> > >
> > > Not sure how to approach him. Knock on the door. Call him and ask
> to
> > > meet. Wait to bump into him.
> > >
> > > We've always noticed that he is hardly ever in! He's always at
> work,
> > > he eats out and excercises morning and night. Maybe he can't stand
> > > being in the house!
> > >
> > > Can anyone point me too a good article specifically about wi-fi.
> > >
> > > Any other advice?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Aline
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Paul Coffman
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>

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