Bed update

Hello everyone,

I thought it would be fair to let you know how I made out with my 'bed search'.  I did try the Sealy ProGel, electric bed and I love it.  For me, it is the right softness yet just beneath is the support I need.

Being able to raise and lower the head and feet is a huge asset .  The vibration part.... umm, not so much.  

I have the Metatron House and Garden downloaded on laptop and the Quantum Byte software on desktop. I'm still on the trial period.

So far I'm very happy.  The only problem I had was gassing off... mostly the smell of the soybase used in the mattress.  I had fans and air cleaners, vinegar sprays, candles...... open windows at night for the first 3 days, but now it's great.

Aimee

they say all essers  are different but the thought of a bed hooked up  to
the mains with a metal frame is not for me thanks, as far as off gassing well
 I would go for a longer period than 3 days
 
puk
 
 
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Hello everyone,

I thought it would be fair to let you know how I  made out with my 'bed
search'. I did try the Sealy ProGel, electric bed and I  love it. For me, it is
the right softness yet just beneath is the support I  need.

Being able to raise and lower the head and feet is a huge asset .  The
vibration part.... umm, not so much.

I have the Metatron House and  Garden downloaded on laptop and the Quantum
Byte software on desktop. I'm  still on the trial period.

So far I'm very happy. The only problem I  had was gassing off... mostly
the smell of the soybase used in the mattress. I  had fans and air cleaners,
vinegar sprays, candles...... open windows at night  for the first 3 days,
but now it's great.

Aimee






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If somebody claims being EHS, but loves an electric bed, than that person is not EHS.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  From: Aimee
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 11:25 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Bed update


  Hello everyone,

  I thought it would be fair to let you know how I made out with my 'bed search'.  I did try the Sealy ProGel, electric bed and I love it.  For me, it is the right softness yet just beneath is the support I need.

  Being able to raise and lower the head and feet is a huge asset .  The vibration part.... umm, not so much.  

  I have the Metatron House and Garden downloaded on laptop and the Quantum Byte software on desktop. I'm still on the trial period.

  So far I'm very happy.  The only problem I had was gassing off... mostly the smell of the soybase used in the mattress.  I had fans and air cleaners, vinegar sprays, candles...... open windows at night for the first 3 days, but now it's great.

  Aimee



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On August 20, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:
> If somebody claims being EHS, but loves an electric bed, than that person is not EHS.

Well, that depends, now doesn't it?  She could be sensitive to certain frequencies
or fields, but not those present in the bed.

Marc

There are variations in everything.  I also am wearing pendants, etc but it doesn't matter to me what anyone takes away from this.
Aimee

--- On Mon, 8/20/12, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Bed update
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, August 20, 2012, 4:21 PM


If somebody claims being EHS, but loves an electric bed, than that person is not EHS.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Emsisoft

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Aimee
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 11:25 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Bed update


  Hello everyone,

  I thought it would be fair to let you know how I made out with my 'bed search'.  I did try the Sealy ProGel, electric bed and I love it.  For me, it is the right softness yet just beneath is the support I need.

  Being able to raise and lower the head and feet is a huge asset .  The vibration part.... umm, not so much. 

  I have the Metatron House and Garden downloaded on laptop and the Quantum Byte software on desktop. I'm still on the trial period.

  So far I'm very happy.  The only problem I had was gassing off... mostly the smell of the soybase used in the mattress.  I had fans and air cleaners, vinegar sprays, candles...... open windows at night for the first 3 days, but now it's great.

  Aimee



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Well said Marc.  ty

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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Bed update
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, August 20, 2012, 4:29 PM


On August 20, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:
> If somebody claims being EHS, but loves an electric bed, than that person is not EHS.

Well, that depends, now doesn't it?  She could be sensitive to certain frequencies
or fields, but not those present in the bed.

Marc



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I am sorry, but disagree.

Apart from the static magnetic fields, the electric motors do have electrical fields, and magnetic when running, which make the rest of the metal parts more magnetic by time.

I have 13 years experience with electrosensitives and beds. I mean real electrosensitives.

For a special person I have recently proved by measuring the Biofeedback Biomarkers, that the presence of a battery in a handheld lamp (off), showed adverse health effects on the body within 3 minutes.

Be aware that one can train the body to withstand high frequencies in a way, but the sensitivity for low magnetic fields will grow, and faster than one can imagine.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:29 AM
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  On August 20, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:
  > If somebody claims being EHS, but loves an electric bed, than that person is not EHS.

  Well, that depends, now doesn't it?  She could be sensitive to certain frequencies
  or fields, but not those present in the bed.

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Aimee, ES is a mixed bag. Whatever works for you. You're the only one who knows your body. If you're waking up feeling totally rested having testedout the bed for a decent length of time- thenits working for you.  Having said that;  I do think ES is about frequencies. If Charles is right, then time will the teller.  As a safety precaution for you-I hope this bed has a 90 day return policy, just in case.In my experience, it takes weeks and weeks to really be able to tellhow some things are working. And this rule isn't set in stone either. There are some thingspeople know right away are okay, or not okay. And other things that don't show upright away. This is the part that causes a lot of frustration. No crystal ball.  Sorry I can't specify how long, as everyone is different.  Lizzie
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      they say all essers  are different but the thought of a bed hooked up  to

the mains with a metal frame is not for me thanks, as far as off gassing well

 I would go for a longer period than 3 days

 

puk

 

 

In a message dated 20/08/2012 22:25:25 GMT Daylight Time,  

[hidden email] writes:



Hello everyone,



I thought it would be fair to let you know how I  made out with my 'bed

search'. I did try the Sealy ProGel, electric bed and I  love it. For me, it is

the right softness yet just beneath is the support I  need.



Being able to raise and lower the head and feet is a huge asset .  The

vibration part.... umm, not so much.



I have the Metatron House and  Garden downloaded on laptop and the Quantum

Byte software on desktop. I'm  still on the trial period.



So far I'm very happy. The only problem I  had was gassing off... mostly

the smell of the soybase used in the mattress. I  had fans and air cleaners,

vinegar sprays, candles...... open windows at night  for the first 3 days,

but now it's great.



Aimee



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Thanks Lizzie, I think you are dead right on.  Yes, I have a 3 month satisfaction guarantee.  I know it can change somewhere up the road, but for now I'm going to take it and be happy with it!  I am not a scientist or anywhere near it......most times I'm glad of it :)
 
thanks for your reply
 
Aimee

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From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Bed update
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Monday, August 20, 2012, 5:42 PM



Aimee, ES is a mixed bag. Whatever works for you. You're the only one who knows your body. If you're waking up feeling totally rested having testedout the bed for a decent length of time- thenits working for you.  Having said that;  I do think ES is about frequencies. If Charles is right, then time will the teller.  As a safety precaution for you-I hope this bed has a 90 day return policy, just in case.In my experience, it takes weeks and weeks to really be able to tellhow some things are working. And this rule isn't set in stone either. There are some thingspeople know right away are okay, or not okay. And other things that don't show upright away. This is the part that causes a lot of frustration. No crystal ball.  Sorry I can't specify how long, as everyone is different.  Lizzie
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:03:43 -0400
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      they say all essers  are different but the thought of a bed hooked up  to

the mains with a metal frame is not for me thanks, as far as off gassing well

I would go for a longer period than 3 days



puk





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[hidden email] writes:



Hello everyone,



I thought it would be fair to let you know how I  made out with my 'bed

search'. I did try the Sealy ProGel, electric bed and I  love it. For me, it is

the right softness yet just beneath is the support I  need.



Being able to raise and lower the head and feet is a huge asset .  The

vibration part.... umm, not so much.



I have the Metatron House and  Garden downloaded on laptop and the Quantum

Byte software on desktop. I'm  still on the trial period.



So far I'm very happy. The only problem I  had was gassing off... mostly

the smell of the soybase used in the mattress. I  had fans and air cleaners,

vinegar sprays, candles...... open windows at night  for the first 3 days,

but now it's great.



Aimee



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   Thank you for the update Aimee. I have wondered what you chose and how you were doing.......... it is good that this works for you......
            blessings
                Shan

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As far as I do know the knowledge of Marc is greatly what he has experienced on his own person (where some gizmo's did work and other not) plus what he has learned from postings from others.

Of course I also learn quite a lot of other person's postings, but the bulk comes from what I have witnessed, measured and found with many hundreds of different sensitive persons, in the past 13 years.

Many things I have learned from my once very electrosensitive wife, who was so sensitive that we were obliged to move from the Netherlands to a quit place in Belgium. Every time she *felt* something I tried to find and locate the source.
Since three years I managed to *cure* her electrosensitivity, and she now leads a normal life, like 75% of the population.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Emsisoft

   Charles how did you 'cure' your wife's electrosensitivity?
 
   I was wondering where you found 'quiet' places to live and would appreciate it if you could post your experiences with these please?  -- I am collecting a list of places that are 'ES/EMS/EHS/ and MCS safe..

           blessings
                  Shan

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As I mentioned several times earlier, it is written on:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina401.html

But not many people seem to care.
Now some 70 people benefit from it.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: bestsurprise2
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:34 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Re: Bed update


     Charles how did you 'cure' your wife's electrosensitivity?
   
     I was wondering where you found 'quiet' places to live and would appreciate it if you could post your experiences with these please?  -- I am collecting a list of places that are 'ES/EMS/EHS/ and MCS safe..

             blessings
                    Shan

  --- In [hidden email], "bitje2005" <charles@...> wrote:
  >
  > As far as I do know the knowledge of Marc is greatly what he has experienced on his own person (where some gizmo's did work and other not) plus what he has learned from postings from others.
  >
  > Of course I also learn quite a lot of other person's postings, but the bulk comes from what I have witnessed, measured and found with many hundreds of different sensitive persons, in the past 13 years.
  >
  > Many things I have learned from my once very electrosensitive wife, who was so sensitive that we were obliged to move from the Netherlands to a quit place in Belgium. Every time she *felt* something I tried to find and locate the source.
  > Since three years I managed to *cure* her electrosensitivity, and she now leads a normal life, like 75% of the population.
  >
  > Greetings,
  > Charles Claessens
  > member Verband Baubiologie
  > www.milieuziektes.nl
  > www.milieuziektes.be
  > www.hetbitje.nl
  > checked by Emsisoft
  >




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http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g312737-d1179899-Reviews-Yakamoz_Hotel-Oludeniz_Mugla_Province_Turkish_Aegean_Coast.html



Ada



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Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2012, 16:34
Subject: [eSens] Re: Bed update
 

 
Charles how did you 'cure' your wife's electrosensitivity?

I was wondering where you found 'quiet' places to live and would appreciate it if you could post your experiences with these please?  -- I am collecting a list of places that are 'ES/EMS/EHS/ and MCS safe..

blessings
Shan

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Hey
Charles.

 

I'm going
to "dither/disagree" with you on the 75% of people who supposedly
live normal lives.

Within this
group of 75%, how many are on: prescription drugs?

 

Now while
it is true, we don't live in the same countries, I live in the US.

So it could
be, that "your" country is healthier, although I"d still be
interested in what the

percentage
is, of your people, being on prescription drugs.

 

HOw many
have: arthritis, heart problems, asthma, fibromyalgia, rheomathoide arthritis,
????

 

All I see
in the 75%, are those who have NOT connected the dots, between the wireless
radiation

and elecro
smog and their oh so common, every day symptoms of supposedly getting old....

even when
they're NOT old!  This is not to take away from your vast experience of helping people with ES. Including your wife. I totally believe that your work showed tremendous results! I just don't believe that 75% of the population, anywhere, is not ES.

 

Blessings,

Lizzie

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From: [hidden email]
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:42:14 +0200
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      As I mentioned several times earlier, it is written on:

http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina401.html



But not many people seem to care.

Now some 70 people benefit from it.



Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Emsisoft



----- Original Message -----

  From: bestsurprise2

  To: [hidden email]

  Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:34 PM

  Subject: [eSens] Re: Bed update



Charles how did you 'cure' your wife's electrosensitivity?

   

     I was wondering where you found 'quiet' places to live and would appreciate it if you could post your experiences with these please?  -- I am collecting a list of places that are 'ES/EMS/EHS/ and MCS safe..



blessings

                    Shan



--- In [hidden email], "bitje2005" <charles@...> wrote:

  >

  > As far as I do know the knowledge of Marc is greatly what he has experienced on his own person (where some gizmo's did work and other not) plus what he has learned from postings from others.

  >

  > Of course I also learn quite a lot of other person's postings, but the bulk comes from what I have witnessed, measured and found with many hundreds of different sensitive persons, in the past 13 years.

  >

  > Many things I have learned from my once very electrosensitive wife, who was so sensitive that we were obliged to move from the Netherlands to a quit place in Belgium. Every time she *felt* something I tried to find and locate the source.

  > Since three years I managed to *cure* her electrosensitivity, and she now leads a normal life, like 75% of the population.

  >

  > Greetings,

  > Charles Claessens

  > member Verband Baubiologie

  > www.milieuziektes.nl

  > www.milieuziektes.be

  > www.hetbitje.nl

  > checked by Emsisoft

  >



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Lizzie, you may believe what you want.

Under electrosensitive persons I understand persons who do react to exposure of elektrosmog, with adverse health effects.
75% of the population do not experience any adverse health effects by elektrosmog.
The reason is, that they do have an immune system which is still working, and where the critical threshold is not reached.  And this threshold will not be reached in the next coming years.
This is something most electrosensitives do not want to accept.
But look around on the streets. Nobody is harrassed by mobles, by phone masts, by DECT by Wifi, by WLan, etc.
None of the users of smartphones, iPhones, iPads, tablets, etc. does realise, nor want to accept, that there are persons, who suffer by elektrosmog.

Of the rest, the 25%, only persons with a damaged immune system can become electrosensitive.
By magnetic fields of > 200nT, or by high frequency fields of 200-2000µW/m².
So far not one scientist has studied the fact, that once one has become electrosensitive, one can react to less than 1µW/m² HF or very small amount of magnetic or electric fields, which are even hardly measurable.
Please have a look at:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina111.html
where I expained it.

So far not one serious study about electrosensitivity has been undertaken.
Most scientists think that electrosensitive persons do react like lamps.

The point is also, that the electrosensitives are not registered, so the real amount of affected persons is not known. And therefore the politicians are not interested.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
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  From: Elizabeth thode
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  Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:00 PM
  Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Bed update





  Hey
  Charles.

   

  I'm going
  to "dither/disagree" with you on the 75% of people who supposedly
  live normal lives.

  Within this
  group of 75%, how many are on: prescription drugs?

   

  Now while
  it is true, we don't live in the same countries, I live in the US.

  So it could
  be, that "your" country is healthier, although I"d still be
  interested in what the

  percentage
  is, of your people, being on prescription drugs.

   

  HOw many
  have: arthritis, heart problems, asthma, fibromyalgia, rheomathoide arthritis,
  ????

   

  All I see
  in the 75%, are those who have NOT connected the dots, between the wireless
  radiation

  and elecro
  smog and their oh so common, every day symptoms of supposedly getting old....

  even when
  they're NOT old!  This is not to take away from your vast experience of helping people with ES. Including your wife. I totally believe that your work showed tremendous results! I just don't believe that 75% of the population, anywhere, is not ES.

   

  Blessings,

  Lizzie

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  From: [hidden email]
  Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:42:14 +0200
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Bed update
















   



   


     
       
       
        As I mentioned several times earlier, it is written on:

  http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina401.html



  But not many people seem to care.

  Now some 70 people benefit from it.



  Greetings,

  Charles Claessens

  member Verband Baubiologie

  www.milieuziektes.nl

  www.milieuziektes.be

  www.hetbitje.nl

  checked by Emsisoft



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    From: bestsurprise2

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    Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:34 PM

    Subject: [eSens] Re: Bed update



  Charles how did you 'cure' your wife's electrosensitivity?

     

       I was wondering where you found 'quiet' places to live and would appreciate it if you could post your experiences with these please?  -- I am collecting a list of places that are 'ES/EMS/EHS/ and MCS safe..



  blessings

                      Shan



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    >

    > As far as I do know the knowledge of Marc is greatly what he has experienced on his own person (where some gizmo's did work and other not) plus what he has learned from postings from others.

    >

    > Of course I also learn quite a lot of other person's postings, but the bulk comes from what I have witnessed, measured and found with many hundreds of different sensitive persons, in the past 13 years.

    >

    > Many things I have learned from my once very electrosensitive wife, who was so sensitive that we were obliged to move from the Netherlands to a quit place in Belgium. Every time she *felt* something I tried to find and locate the source.

    > Since three years I managed to *cure* her electrosensitivity, and she now leads a normal life, like 75% of the population.

    >

    > Greetings,

    > Charles Claessens

    > member Verband Baubiologie

    > www.milieuziektes.nl

    > www.milieuziektes.be

    > www.hetbitje.nl

    > checked by Emsisoft

    >



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Hey Charles,

 

I just love our intellectual sparring sessions. Keeps the blood
going...chuckle chuckle.

Seriously Charles? It 's not about whether I accept this........not an ego
thing, I don't have to

be right, and there are times, I wish I weren't!!

 

I call em as I see em!

I truly don't want this environmental poison in our midst.

 

And while I do realize this is a kind of rhetorical situation, can't really
do this

in a room, for a week, so everyone here could bear witness....

sure would be an interestng experiment!

 

Put a hundred people in a room, random ages, backgrounds, who all live in
the sea of wireless radiation/electro smog.

 

Take their temperatures every day- before they GET out of bed, for 6 days,
aver out the temps.

You will find that the majority DON"T have immune systems that are
working right. *now, that would be the situation here,

 

Maybe not where you're at...however, as you do seem to have plenty of
clients...

this would be indictative of how common ill health is.

 

Yes, Charles, they may not be "visibly" outwardly bothered by cell
phones, ect.

 

However, at a cellular level and an immune level.... it will show up.

To my way of thinking of the electro sensitive person, these are ES only
because they KNOW what is causing their problems.

 

The others, who are supposedly NOT Es, just don't recognize it.......yet.

 

Here, in this country, this just simply translates to those who are on:

 

Diabetes meds

heart meds

arthritis meds

allergy meds

seizure meds

migraine meds

chron's or irritable bowel meds

acne meds

hormone/ thyroid meds

blood pressure meds

chlosterol meds

ADD meds

ADHD meds

Hypoglycemia

Sinus issues -chronic

 

The great majority of these people on medications don't have a clue to the
harm caused by emfs, be it wireless or just "regular"

electricity!

 

I don't care what state you go to, I will make you the most awesome organic,
raw chocolate treat, if you can find me -out of

a random group of hundred people..........TEN TO FIFTEEN PEOPLE WHO DON'T
HAVE ANY OF THE ABOVE CHRONIC CONDITIONS! *If you find 5 here, you’d be lucky.

 

Mind you, I am not saying that wireless/emfs/ect, are the one and only
CAUSE- of  all of these problems. What I
am saying is, it multiplies them, it worsens the severity, and wireless
radiation has already been proven to multiply toxins/micro toxins/bacteria/
molds/ by 600%.

NO single OTHER environmental factor can claim this!

 

The reason I believe this is because when you track the history of cell
phones/towers/ect, and you compare the growing rates of all said
diseases/health conditions, you will FIND an undisputable correlation between
emfs and disease.

 

I believe when all is said and done, the current state of electro smog/
wireless radiation will be proven, without a doubt, to

 

be the single most damaging crime against humanity.

And that is saying alot, as most of us recognize how harmful mercury

filllings are, gmo's, pesticides, and fluoride.

 

 

Now let's shake hands and play nice. Chuckle.

 

Lizzie

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      Lizzie, you may believe what you want.



Under electrosensitive persons I understand persons who do react to exposure of elektrosmog, with adverse health effects.

75% of the population do not experience any adverse health effects by elektrosmog.

The reason is, that they do have an immune system which is still working, and where the critical threshold is not reached.  And this threshold will not be reached in the next coming years.

This is something most electrosensitives do not want to accept.

But look around on the streets. Nobody is harrassed by mobles, by phone masts, by DECT by Wifi, by WLan, etc.

None of the users of smartphones, iPhones, iPads, tablets, etc. does realise, nor want to accept, that there are persons, who suffer by elektrosmog.



Of the rest, the 25%, only persons with a damaged immune system can become electrosensitive.

By magnetic fields of > 200nT, or by high frequency fields of 200-2000µW/m².

So far not one scientist has studied the fact, that once one has become electrosensitive, one can react to less than 1µW/m² HF or very small amount of magnetic or electric fields, which are even hardly measurable.

Please have a look at:

http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina111.html

where I expained it.



So far not one serious study about electrosensitivity has been undertaken.

Most scientists think that electrosensitive persons do react like lamps.



The point is also, that the electrosensitives are not registered, so the real amount of affected persons is not known. And therefore the politicians are not interested.



Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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  From: Elizabeth thode

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  Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:00 PM

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Hey

  Charles.



I'm going

  to "dither/disagree" with you on the 75% of people who supposedly

  live normal lives.



Within this

  group of 75%, how many are on: prescription drugs?



Now while

  it is true, we don't live in the same countries, I live in the US.



So it could

  be, that "your" country is healthier, although I"d still be

  interested in what the



percentage

  is, of your people, being on prescription drugs.



HOw many

  have: arthritis, heart problems, asthma, fibromyalgia, rheomathoide arthritis,

  ????



All I see

  in the 75%, are those who have NOT connected the dots, between the wireless

  radiation



and elecro

  smog and their oh so common, every day symptoms of supposedly getting old....



even when

  they're NOT old!  This is not to take away from your vast experience of helping people with ES. Including your wife. I totally believe that your work showed tremendous results! I just don't believe that 75% of the population, anywhere, is not ES.



Blessings,



Lizzie



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  From: [hidden email]

  Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:42:14 +0200

  Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Bed update



As I mentioned several times earlier, it is written on:



http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina401.html



But not many people seem to care.



Now some 70 people benefit from it.



Greetings,



Charles Claessens



member Verband Baubiologie



www.milieuziektes.nl



www.milieuziektes.be



www.hetbitje.nl



checked by Emsisoft



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From: bestsurprise2



To: [hidden email]



Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:34 PM



Subject: [eSens] Re: Bed update



Charles how did you 'cure' your wife's electrosensitivity?



I was wondering where you found 'quiet' places to live and would appreciate it if you could post your experiences with these please?  -- I am collecting a list of places that are 'ES/EMS/EHS/ and MCS safe..



blessings



Shan



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>



> As far as I do know the knowledge of Marc is greatly what he has experienced on his own person (where some gizmo's did work and other not) plus what he has learned from postings from others.



>



> Of course I also learn quite a lot of other person's postings, but the bulk comes from what I have witnessed, measured and found with many hundreds of different sensitive persons, in the past 13 years.



>



> Many things I have learned from my once very electrosensitive wife, who was so sensitive that we were obliged to move from the Netherlands to a quit place in Belgium. Every time she *felt* something I tried to find and locate the source.



> Since three years I managed to *cure* her electrosensitivity, and she now leads a normal life, like 75% of the population.



>



> Greetings,



> Charles Claessens



> member Verband Baubiologie



> www.milieuziektes.nl



> www.milieuziektes.be



> www.hetbitje.nl



> checked by Emsisoft



>



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Excellent Ada - I hope you enjoy your holiday from ES!!! and look forward very much to your review!!!

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It took me ages, but finally found a hotel in turkey that has no wifi, no mobile phone coverage and no TV's.I'm going on sunday and will let you know how it is when I get back

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g312737-d1179899-Reviews-Yakamoz_Hotel-Oludeniz_Mugla_Province_Turkish_Aegean_Coast.html

Ada

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Charles how did you 'cure' your wife's electrosensitivity?

I was wondering where you found 'quiet' places to live and would appreciate it if you could post your experiences with these please?  -- I am collecting a list of places that are 'ES/EMS/EHS/ and MCS safe..

blessings
Shan

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After using the peaceful home and yard and open heart program for some time, and wondering if it was or wasn't working, as it seemed to vary, I think it does work, and things feel nicer most of the time here now.

Can't say it stopped es problems, but all feel betters help. :)

So, I went in and redownloaded the stressfree pc program, and know what? No instant headache this time. There was a little something when I first loaded it, but it seems usable to me now. So, maybe
there is progress here, and it does work.

Just for anyone else that wants to try it.

~ Snoshoe

Hmm..... I uninstalled it and forgot about it.  Maybe I should try it again as I have really lousy vibs around me these days.  Just crappy moods most of the time.  Of course having pain all the timee can do that to a person.
thanks for reminding us
 
Aimee

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After using the peaceful home and yard and open heart program for some time, and wondering if it was or wasn't working, as it seemed to vary, I think it does work, and things feel nicer most of the time here now.

Can't say it stopped es problems, but all feel betters help. :)

So, I went in and redownloaded the stressfree pc program, and know what? No instant headache this time. There was a little something when I first loaded it, but it seems usable to me now. So, maybe
there is progress here, and it does work.

Just for anyone else that wants to try it.

~ Snoshoe




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