Basement Homes?

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> I don't know.  The meter went down to .009 mw/m2 The pulse then went from
> the 80's to 130's, then jumped in the 100's to 300's.
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> I don't have experience w this, but saw the pulse ranging in 50 mw/m
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> We thought our windshield wipers were the cause, but turned them off &
> still saw the meter going nuts. There are 3 high antenna towers about a
> mile or less from it.
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> From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] RF DOES PIGGYBACK ON WIRING
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 7:10 PM
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> My guess is there's an antenna there.  They can put out RF
> but unless your meter goes down to 10MHz or less it's
> probably not the transformer.  Although a pulse from a large
> load switching on and off could show up on some RF meters.
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> In any case, close to a big transformer can be bad.
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> On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 6:02 PM, KathyB <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> > We had to wait at stop llght next to an  electric transformer. The
> > readings were pulsing all over the place. From 350 to 100 something, &
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> > down to .009 mw/m2  This transformer was at a corner not far from several
> > towers.
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> Get yourself a cup of tea and settle in for some reading.
> This isn't all of it, but it gives some pretty damn convincing evidence.
> Especially the story from the fireman's own house!
> I had a RF water meter installed..it was on my house for 42 hrs. After I had
> the city remove it, it took 3 DAYS for my wiring to calm down! I was still getting
> RF readings AFTER they took it off.
> I found two other reports from MI, of cases where they lost appliances- due to
> smart meters. Good thing I copied them...went back a week later and these
> reports WERE GONE! Same thing with several other articles I found. I did copy
> them, and days later, THEY WERE ALSO GONE! The point is, just because you can't
> find it, does NOT mean this stuff isn't happening everywhere.
> The one from firefighter nation? There were 3 post on there back in May, that said firefighters
> were looking for info on fires from smartmeters. I didn't do a thorough check but it doesn't look
> like they are still on there. **And think about this: the smart meters on fire is an obvious one. But
> how many house fires have there been, where the fire started away from the meter, due to
> older wiring? Who would have known to connect the dots?
> Happy reading
> Lizzie
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> Fire investigators probe link between smart meters and house fires ...
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> Smart Meter Fires and Explosions | EMF Safety Network
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> > To: [hidden email]
> > From: wbruno@...
> > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 16:06:20 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] RF DOES PIGGYBACK ON HOUSE WIRING
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> > I had not heard about any fires attributed to smart meters (except the
> > possibility the San Bruno gas fire was related). I would like to see info
> > on other fires if you can direct me to it. I could easily picture fires
> > right at or near the meter if the meter has a bad connection or an internal
> > defect.
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote:
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> > > I believe what she and other engineers and electrical experts are saying
> > > is that RF can lead to arcing on the wiring, which can lead to electrical
> > > fires. Numbers are numbers...reality is, many houses contain older wiring,
> > > or wiring that is weakened. In that weakened state, the wiring is
> > > vulnerable. There have been HUNDREDS of house fires reported from
> > > smartmeters. An entire neighborhood set up with smartmeters would not (in
> > > my opinon) be an insignificant source of RF. The grid is old and
> > > antiquidated. It was never updated to handle the RF from not just
> > > smartmeters and their mesh system, but any wireless systems, which we all
> > > know are practically everywhere. Now add in normal household wiring, which
> > > was never intended for wifi/RF. Now you have: 1) antiquidated grid
> > > transmission system. 2) older houses with older wiring. 3) Newer and older
> > > houses using tons more electrical appliances then the grid was designed to
> > > handle. 4) Broadband over powerlines, yet another source of electrical
> > > pollution. 5) Any house connected to city water will also have dirty
> > > electricity/stray voltage piggybacking on the water lines, entering the
> > > house. 6) Many houses still have the electrical grounded to the water pipes
> > > (in Mich, this is now against code).......all in all....a recipe for
> > > disaster. Your use of the word "insignificant" might apply to ONE of the
> > > above factors, but in reality, how many houses only have ONE of these
> > > factors? And how many have three or four of them? *And I haven't even
> > > factored in the conditions of the utility poles/power lines/substations/ect.
> > > Here's another picture of reality. In just the past year, go back and
> > > count HOW many power outages have occurred, in all the different states,
> > > how many millions were without power, and for how long some of these
> > > outages have lasted? True enough, we can't ignore the bizarre weather
> > > patterns. However, the shear amt of powerline transmisiion fires that
> > > occurred with no bad weather!
> > > Lizzie
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> > >
> > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > From: wbruno@...
> > > > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:29:40 -0700
> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] RF DOES PIGGYBACK ON HOUSE WIRING
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> > > > Is Cindy Sage saying the heating from the RF of dirty electricity is
> > > going
> > > > to cause house fires? That strikes me as absurd. Yes the 3rd harmonic
> > > > (180 Hz) can be a problem for motors and such, and the higher harmonics
> > > > just contribute more, but the joule heating from the RF is insignificant
> > > > unless you have a serious broadcasting set up. At 1 MHz or so it can go
> > > > quite far on wiring, but by the time you get to 2.4 GHz, no. There's too
> > > > much inductance (which is proportional to loop area times frequency).
> > > I've
> > > > never noticed microwave readings being higher near wiring, but the AM
> > > radio
> > > > will sure buzz...
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> > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...>
> > > wrote:
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> > > > > Yes folks. This is true.
> > > > > Lizzie
> > > > > Commentary by Cindy Sage, Sage Associates and James J. Biergiel, EMF
> > > > > Electrical Consultant July 2010
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> > > > > Typical gauge electrical wiring that provides electricity to buildings
> > > (60
> > > > > Hz power) is not constructed or intended to carry high frequency
> > > harmonics
> > > > > that are increasingly present on normal electrical wiring. The
> > > exponential
> > > > > increase in use of appliances, variable speed motors, office and
> > > computer
> > > > > equipment and wireless technologies has greatly increased these
> > > harmonics
> > > > > in community electrical grids and the buildings they serve with
> > > > > electricity. Harmonics are higher frequencies than 60 Hz that carry
> > > more
> > > > > energy, and ride along on the electrical wiring in bursts. Radio
> > > > > frequency (RF) is an unintentional by-product on this electrical wiring
> > > > > Electrical wiring it is not sized for the amount of energy that radio
> > > > > frequency and microwave radiation. These unintended signals that can
> > > come
> > > > > from new wireless sources of many kinds are particularly a worry for
> > > the
> > > > > new smart meters that produce very high intensity radio frequency
> > > energy in
> > > > > short bursts. Electrical fires are likely to be a potential problem.
> > > > > Electrical wiring was never intended to carry this – what amounts to
> > > an RF
> > > > > pollutant – on the wiring. The higher the frequency, the greater the
> > > > > energy contained. It's not the voltage, but it is the current that
> > > > > matters. RF harmonics on electrical systems can come from computers,
> > > > > printers, FAX machines, electronic ballasts and other sources like
> > > variable
> > > > > speed motors and appliances that distort the normal, smooth 60 hertz
> > > sine
> > > > > wave of electrical power and put bursts of higher energy RF onto the
> > > wiring.
> > > > > Wireless smart meters don't intentionally use the electrical system to
> > > > > send their RF signal back to the utility (to report energy usage, etc).
> > > > > But, when the wireless signal is produced in the meter… it boomerangs
> > > > > around on all the conductive components and can be coupled onto the
> > > wiring,
> > > > > water and gas lines, etc. where it can be carried to other parts of the
> > > > > residence or building.
> > > > > It is an over-current condition on the wiring. It produces heat where
> > > the
> > > > > neutral cannot properly handle it. The location of the fire does NOT
> > > have
> > > > > to be in close proximity to the main electrical panel where the smart
> > > meter
> > > > > is installed.
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> > > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > > From: urbanpinetrees3@...
> > > > > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:31:51 +0000
> > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Basement Homes?
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> > > > > I do think that broadband is travelling on the wires. Maybe it is
> > > > > induction as the cable wires are right next to the power line wires.
> > > > > Telephone wires too.
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> > > > > K
> > > > > - In [hidden email], Bill Bruno <wbruno@> wrote:
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> > > > > > Wi-Fi won't go very far on wiring (probably a few inches, though it
> > > > > > could travel further in shielded wiring). Although the same pulse
> > > > > > structure might appear in the dirtly electricity do to power supply
> > > loads
> > > > > > pulsing with the microwaves.
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> > > > > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:37 AM, KathyB <calicocat477@> wrote:
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> > > > > > > Loni,
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> > > > > > > I think a basement would help IF one does not have underground
> > > wiring &
> > > > > > > radon & mold free. .
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> > > > > > > We have one, it helps but I feel the underground wiring & have to
> > > have
> > > > > > > safer wiring that will run above your head. There will be wire free
> > > > > ceiling
> > > > > > > places you can locate.
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> > > > > > > I tested
> > > > > > > w my cheaper meter at 1 Gauss on the floor. I'm pretty sure wi-fi
> > > is on
> > > > > > > our wring.
> > > > > > > I read .06 mw/m 2 RF at an outlet. We have from ..01 - .03 in our
> > > free
> > > > > > > space *& live in a valley.
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> > > > > > > Kathy
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> > > > > > > From: Loni <loni326@>
> > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Basement Homes?
> > > > > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > > > > Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 11:28 AM
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> > > > > > > Do you think a basement home would sheild some of the Cell
> > > radiation?
> > > > > > > Anyone have one that can advise?
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> > > > > > > Does the cell antenna's rf ride in on your elecrtrical wires in
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> > > > > home?
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> > > > > > > Thanks, Loni
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> I've been seeing a lot of smart meter discussions on eSens that
> have nothing to do with electrical sensitivity.  So this is a reminder
> that Smart Meters are only on-topic for this group as they relate
> to electrical sensitivity.
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> So if you're trying to organize a protest, or want to talk about
> invasion of privacy or electrical fires, you should move those
> discussions somewhere more appropriate.  Surely there are
> Smart Meter discussion groups/forums out there somewhere?
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> Thanks,
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> Marc
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> I've been seeing a lot of smart meter discussions on eSens that
> have nothing to do with electrical sensitivity.  So this is a reminder
> that Smart Meters are only on-topic for this group as they relate
> to electrical sensitivity.
>
> So if you're trying to organize a protest, or want to talk about
> invasion of privacy or electrical fires, you should move those
> discussions somewhere more appropriate.  Surely there are
> Smart Meter discussion groups/forums out there somewhere?
>
> Thanks,
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> Marc
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