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R. Ticle
Well now,

I've had a look at the Mast Sanity website, and on the front page, there
is an essay by Barrie Trower, theorizing on Electro Sensitivity.

It's really quite interesting, and the end comment is a bit depressing,
but I'm going to paste it here, and link to to it, in case they move it
from the main page of the site.

Found on: http://www.mastsanity.org/

Essay sections are in Italic, and my questions and comments in regular
font. It is as follows:

"The Safe Wireless Initiative recently published a questionnaire
(www.safewireless.org <http://www.safewireless.org/> , 11.1.07 [see here
<http://www.mastsanity.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=177\
&Itemid=90> ] ) of some 32 possible mental and physical conditions
associated with electro-sensitivity.
Ten years ago, I was investigating this phenomenon and decided to work
backwards. I looked at all of these signs/symptoms and traced them back
to a common place of origin (Flow charts are enclosed [see below]).

One origin linking all of these ailments appears to be the hippocampus
(which is also linked to the amygdalae and hypothalamus). Prof Rolf
Dermietzel, Head of Neuroanatomy at the Ruhr University of Bochum,
Germany, has published research `The Electrical Brain' (Scientific
American Mind, 2 November 2006, p57)[i]
<http://www.mastsanity.org/#_edn1> , showing a positive direct
electrical current in our brains, which controls all other chemical
currents. This current operates at the hippocampus.

By the laws of physics, any positive charge(s) moving within a moving
magnetic/electric filed will experience a force (usually sideways -
Fleming's left/right hand rules).

If this force is enough to disrupt the motion of this positive direct
current, just a dozen protons thick, it could easily account for the
knock-on effect of so many mental and physical complaints.
Theoretically, this is possible but needs the experimentation from a
neuroscientist in a laboratory.

The big question is: Why do some people (electrosensitives) complain of
symptoms almost immediately, whilst others may take months or years?

I am leaving aside here the direct effect of electromagnetic radiation
on all of the cells in the body, simultaneously changing cell potential,
signal transduction, cell cycle timing, causing interference to the ATP
double bond at the mitochondrial DNA sites, and I am concentrating on
the brain, although eventually each will complement the other, in terms
of symptoms.

It is known that electrical currents are generated within the brain by
the action of electromagnetic waves causing atomic vibration(s) within
calcite crystals.

Whilst all crystals follow the same atomic structure, they can vary
enormously in size. Hence a current can also vary from different size
crystals.

My hypothesis is that electrosensitivity sufferers share a common
crystal size. This may also be genetic; it is known that mothers and
daughters can share electrosensitvity.

An added complication to this scenario would be the feed-back loop of
the hippocampus' granule cells - mossy fibres - inhibiting basket cells
exceeding their critical charge, hence the hippocampus receives an
abnormal charge and passes its working threshold.

N.B. I have read this research but cannot find the name of its author to
reference him/her.

I have also enclosed a simple mathematics paper [see below] which I
presented to mathematicians, showing how electromagnetic waves can
interfere both, with generating opposing currents and inhibiting the
ionic movement of protons, the normal status of our electrical
functioning brains.

It will be apparent at one stage that constructive interference is
required, but with many mobile companies all using the same airwaves,
this does seem feasible.

Finally, I would also postulate that the `atomically heavy' pulses
from these carrier microwaves cause resonance by the interference to the
`wobbly' spin of the Carbon 13, Hydrogen and Phosphorus atoms. As
each atom is `nudged' it will right itself, releasing the energy
causing it to move involuntarily. This rhythmic process will exacerbate
an already unbearable state of electrical confusion in the brain.

If this essay is correct, electro-sensitivity will be almost (if not)
instant. Untreatable.

My flow chart links all of the 32 reported illnesses listed by the Safe
Wireless Initiative to this mechanism.
18 November 2007 Barrie Trower "

-----------------------------------------------------

End of Essay.

Now, back to me. ;)

So, here he says:

"It is known that electrical currents are generated within the brain by
the action of electromagnetic waves causing atomic vibration(s) within
calcite crystals.

Whilst all crystals follow the same atomic structure, they can vary
enormously in size. Hence a current can also vary from different size
crystals.

My hypothesis is that electrosensitivity sufferers share a common
crystal size. This may also be genetic; it is known that mothers and
daughters can share electrosensitvity."




Does this (theoretically) mean that all ES people are the way they are
because the calcite crystals in their brains are the same size as one
another and get disrupted simultaneously due to the consistency in size,
therefore causing unwanted reactions?


"An added complication to this scenario would be the feed-back loop of
the hippocampus' granule cells - mossy fibres - inhibiting basket cells
exceeding their critical charge, hence the hippocampus receives an
abnormal charge and passes its working threshold."

This part I don't quite understand. If anyone who knows what this man
means could explain, that would be wonderful. All I really can fathom
is that the hippocampus becomes overloaded, by...what, a return charge,
or something? Help!

And:

"Finally, I would also postulate that the `atomically heavy' pulses
from these carrier microwaves cause resonance by the interference to the
`wobbly' spin of the Carbon 13, Hydrogen and Phosphorus atoms. As
each atom is `nudged' it will right itself, releasing the energy
causing it to move involuntarily. This rhythmic process will exacerbate
an already unbearable state of electrical confusion in the brain."

So, if this were the case, how do we negate this microwave based
resonance, so that the energy which causes the Carbon, Hydrogen, and
Phosphorous atoms to "wobble", from being involuntarily released?

The last bit: "If this essay is correct, electro-sensitivity will be
almost (if not) instant. Untreatable."

BOOOOO! That's not what I want to hear on a Saturday morning! Huh? What?
Untreatable? Oh, hellllll no! See, that's the depressing bit. Nobody
who's afflicted with anything likes to hear anyone (even theoretically)
say that they could be suffering from something un-treatable.

What about people here who have been improving? It seems to take a lot
of work in some cases, some avoidance, health rebuilding,
supplementation, device using, detoxification protocols, etc., but I
can't say that I've heard of NOBODY here improving - some have even
claimed almost a full remission of their ES symptoms. So one thing
about this essay, is that it seems to me, to fail to address the immune
system, the nervous system's myelin sheath, or any inherent toxicity or
damage due to previous buildup of, well, toxins, or stressful attitudes,
etc.

I'm looking for some comments, and if there's anyone who can understand
some of the things Barrie is saying in this essay better than I can, and
especially what you think of that last "untreatable" bit, which I'm
really not keen on! What is the take of everyone here on that, and
what's your take on my take on it?

I respect Barrie Trower for his work in campaigning against TETRA, et
al., but man...I've got to hear what some of you guys think! Let me
know!

Easy.




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PUK
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PUK
ITS FUNNY BUT I READ AN ARTICLE IN MY LOCAL PAPER YESTERDAY THAT CLAIMS
UNIVERSITY SCIENTISTS HAVE DISCOVERED A RECEPTOR IN THE EYE THAT IS VERY
RECEPTIVE TO BLUE LIGHT AND LARGELY ASSIMULATED VIA AMAGDALA, BRAIN STEM AND
HYPOCAMPUS, IS THERE A LINK HERE ? I WILL SEND THE ESSAY TO THESE SCIENTISITS.

ALL I KNOW IS THAT I HAVE GONE TO WORK IN AN OFFICE 10M FROM THE BACK OF 2
SMALL (ORANGE NETWORK) ANTENNAE WORKING I7 HRS A DAY IN FRONT OF LCD SCREEN
(OTHERWISE OFFICE IS GOOD) AND I NOW FIND MY SENSITIVITY INCREASING IN CERTAIN
WORRYING WAYS, MEMORY BAD, EXCEMA RETURNING ON HAND THAT USES MOUSE (NOTE NEW
MOUSE FIRE RETARDENTS ?) MY EYES ARE STINGING RIGHT NOW 1.2M AWAY FROM LAPTOP
AS i AM WEARING METAL FRAMED GLASSES, INCREASED HEART PALPS, SEPTIC SPOTS ON
FACE, GLANDS THROBBING UNDER ARMS, BEHIND LEFT EAR AND GROIN AND SO ON ALL
UNDOUBTEDLY ATTRIBUTED TO EMF EXPOSURE, WHILE THE ADRENALINE IS GOING EVAN AT
SUBTLE LEVELS AND I AM USING RESERVES I CAN DO IT GIVEN RECOUP TIME, BUT
SLUMPS ARE HITTING ME IN THE QUIETER TIMES LATER !! PERHAPS IT CAN TAKE MORE
THAN ONE LIFETIME TO SELL THE TRUTH !

PAUL UK






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R. Ticle
Hi Paul,

yeah, if you can send the essay to them and get a response, please do
post it up - and I'd say to get the hell out of that office, now! I
don't know to where, but 17 HRs/day is a long time. I've been feeling
effing rotten today, and just like I want to find a cave and hide in
it. But if you can find a better spot, go, go, go!

And if anyone else has thoughts, please, do tell.

R.

--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:
>
> ITS FUNNY BUT I READ AN ARTICLE IN MY LOCAL PAPER YESTERDAY THAT
CLAIMS  
> UNIVERSITY SCIENTISTS HAVE DISCOVERED A RECEPTOR IN THE EYE THAT IS
VERY  
> RECEPTIVE TO BLUE LIGHT AND LARGELY ASSIMULATED VIA AMAGDALA, BRAIN
STEM AND  
> HYPOCAMPUS, IS THERE A LINK HERE ? I WILL SEND THE ESSAY TO THESE
SCIENTISITS.
>  
> ALL I KNOW IS THAT I HAVE GONE TO WORK IN AN OFFICE 10M FROM THE
BACK OF 2  
> SMALL (ORANGE NETWORK) ANTENNAE WORKING I7 HRS A DAY IN FRONT OF LCD
SCREEN  
> (OTHERWISE OFFICE IS GOOD) AND I NOW FIND MY SENSITIVITY INCREASING
IN CERTAIN  
> WORRYING WAYS, MEMORY BAD, EXCEMA RETURNING ON HAND THAT USES MOUSE
(NOTE NEW  
> MOUSE FIRE RETARDENTS ?) MY EYES ARE STINGING RIGHT NOW 1.2M AWAY
FROM LAPTOP
> AS i AM WEARING METAL FRAMED GLASSES, INCREASED HEART PALPS, SEPTIC
SPOTS ON
> FACE, GLANDS THROBBING UNDER ARMS, BEHIND LEFT EAR AND GROIN AND SO
ON ALL  
> UNDOUBTEDLY ATTRIBUTED TO EMF EXPOSURE, WHILE THE ADRENALINE IS
GOING EVAN AT  
> SUBTLE LEVELS AND I AM USING RESERVES I CAN DO IT GIVEN RECOUP TIME,
BUT
> SLUMPS ARE HITTING ME IN THE QUIETER TIMES LATER !! PERHAPS IT CAN
TAKE MORE

> THAN ONE LIFETIME TO SELL THE TRUTH !
>  
> PAUL UK
>
>
>
>    
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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BiBrun
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I think in many cases computer mice have enough RF to cause symptoms.

The only good solution I have seen, if you have access to a clean grounding
rod,
is to put a piece of shielding fabric over the mouse and ground it. If the
ground
wire is too long or too skinny it won't work as well. Probably
put some other fabric over that so your skin isn't in contact. Conductive
gloves
might help too, (see LessEMF) but your skin could react to them too.



On Dec 8, 2007 1:34 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote:

> ITS FUNNY BUT I READ AN ARTICLE IN MY LOCAL PAPER YESTERDAY THAT CLAIMS
> UNIVERSITY SCIENTISTS HAVE DISCOVERED A RECEPTOR IN THE EYE THAT IS VERY
> RECEPTIVE TO BLUE LIGHT AND LARGELY ASSIMULATED VIA AMAGDALA, BRAIN STEM
> AND
> HYPOCAMPUS, IS THERE A LINK HERE ? I WILL SEND THE ESSAY TO THESE
> SCIENTISITS.
>
> ALL I KNOW IS THAT I HAVE GONE TO WORK IN AN OFFICE 10M FROM THE BACK OF 2
>
> SMALL (ORANGE NETWORK) ANTENNAE WORKING I7 HRS A DAY IN FRONT OF LCD
> SCREEN
> (OTHERWISE OFFICE IS GOOD) AND I NOW FIND MY SENSITIVITY INCREASING IN
> CERTAIN
> WORRYING WAYS, MEMORY BAD, EXCEMA RETURNING ON HAND THAT USES MOUSE (NOTE
> NEW
> MOUSE FIRE RETARDENTS ?) MY EYES ARE STINGING RIGHT NOW 1.2M AWAY FROM
> LAPTOP
> AS i AM WEARING METAL FRAMED GLASSES, INCREASED HEART PALPS, SEPTIC SPOTS
> ON
> FACE, GLANDS THROBBING UNDER ARMS, BEHIND LEFT EAR AND GROIN AND SO ON ALL
>
> UNDOUBTEDLY ATTRIBUTED TO EMF EXPOSURE, WHILE THE ADRENALINE IS GOING EVAN
> AT
> SUBTLE LEVELS AND I AM USING RESERVES I CAN DO IT GIVEN RECOUP TIME, BUT
> SLUMPS ARE HITTING ME IN THE QUIETER TIMES LATER !! PERHAPS IT CAN TAKE
> MORE
> THAN ONE LIFETIME TO SELL THE TRUTH !
>
> PAUL UK
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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skrzn
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Untreatable eh?

In 1998 I was correctly diagnosed with a disease which is both deadly
and incurable. I'm still here, and twice as bumptious.

Untreatable merely means that he doesn't know what to do about it. I
do.
Basic is www.paleodiet.com; fat rules. We read that the diseases of
the nervous system have something to do with electricity, which must
have insulation, which is the myelin sheath, which is made of fat and
stuff.
Eat fat (Real fat!) and whatever else it takes to rebuild your body -
this must be done in the right environment. Eschew poisons, including
electromagnetic radiation.

Etcetera and so forth.

William





--- In [hidden email], "rticleone" <rticleone@...> wrote:
>
> Well now,
>
> I've had a look at the Mast Sanity website, and on the front page,
there
> is an essay by Barrie Trower, theorizing on Electro Sensitivity.
>
> It's really quite interesting, and the end comment is a bit
depressing,
> but I'm going to paste it here, and link to to it, in case they
move it
> from the main page of the site.
>
> Found on: http://www.mastsanity.org/
>

> I'm looking for some comments, and if there's anyone who can
understand
> some of the things Barrie is saying in this essay better than I
can, and
> especially what you think of that last "untreatable" bit, which I'm
> really not keen on! What is the take of everyone here on that, and
> what's your take on my take on it?
>
> I respect Barrie Trower for his work in campaigning against TETRA,
et
> al., but man...I've got to hear what some of you guys think! Let me
> know!
>

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jaime_schunkewitz
There could be something to eating fat.

Case in point: One year prior to my collapse from electrosensitivity,
I started preparing my own food (much less fat, more spinach). Prior
to that, I was eating a relatively fatty diet that my girlfriend
prepared. Lost 25 lbs.

Other factors were involved; a vacant cubical accross from me
at work became occupied. They also gave me, and everyon else, an NEC
LCD monitor which was uncomfortable from first use. Then bang, after
five years of coping with it, it all fell through overnight.
Eli