B12 and new product purchase

"B12 injections have helped my ES symptoms a bit.
No cure, but B12 alomost completely stopped my
tremors."

I've been taking B12 shots about every six weeks for almost a year
because of my severe fatigue. Has anyone else used B12? How often do
you take the injections? My doctor has offered to write me a script
for weekly injections if I want - any opinions on this? I've been
reading old posts but haven't run across any opinions on mineral or
vitamin supplementation. Any ideas?

I mentioned in an earlier post that I recently purchased ES products
and was told it was okay to mention the company for feedback from
other members. So here goes.... I purchased the following items from
BioPro Technology: Home Harmonizer; Cell Chip; BioLife pendant; and
the BioPro Smart Card. Has anyone used these products? I'd
appreciate positive or negative feedback - I realize what works for
one may not work for another but I still would like all of the info I
can get. Thanks so much.

> I mentioned in an earlier post that I recently purchased ES products
> and was told it was okay to mention the company for feedback from
> other members. So here goes.... I purchased the following items from
> BioPro Technology: Home Harmonizer; Cell Chip; BioLife pendant; and
> the BioPro Smart Card. Has anyone used these products?

As far as I can recall, we've only had one person here try these
products, and they reported no benefit. I saw these products at
a health expo quite recently, and it seemed like they were a
fairly new entry into the field. I didn't buy any, as my success
ratio with such devices is about 1 in 10.

So I'll be interested to hear if you notice anything from these
products -- good or bad!

Marc

I am glad that the B12 shots are working. In an effort to further help
your recovery, I offer my limited knowledge around this. My
understanding is that B12 is only produced by bacteria in the small
intestine and that cobalt is one of the essential factors..
Antibiotics are usually the cause of killing off the good bacteria to
cause an intestinal environment void of B12 production.
Repairing intestinal function by eating organic raw milk products and
other beneficial probiotics can help the intestines recover quickly and
maintain their essential function (my brother is the owner of Organic
Pastures Dairy
http://www.organicpastures.com/
so understand my bias).

Here is some info from
http://www.living-foods.com/articles/b12issue.html

"No foods naturally contain vitamin B12 - neither animal or plant
foods. Vitamin B12 is a microbe - a bacteria - it is produced by
microorganisms. Vitamin B12 is the only vitamin that contains a trace
element - cobalt - which gives this vitamin its chemical name -
cobalamin - which is at the centre of its molecular structure. Humans
and all vertebrates require cobalt, although it is assimilated only in
the form of vitamin B12.
B12 synthesis is known to occur naturally in the human small intestine
(in the ileum), which is the primary site of B12 absorption. As long
as gut bacteria have cobalt and certain other nutrients, they produce
vitamin B12."
"External B12 coming into the body must be combined with a mucoprotein
enzyme named Intrinsic Factor, which is normally present in gastric
secretions, to be properly assimilated. If the Intrinsic Factor is
impaired or absent, B12 synthesis will not take place, no matter how
much is present in the diet. A B12 deficiency can be caused by
antibiotics (from the drugs themselves and contained in {non organic}
milk and meat), alcohol (alcohol damages the liver, so drinkers need
more B12) and smoking (and all high temp cooked food is smoky) and
stress also raises B12 needs).
"People who have a physical problem because they think they are not
getting enough vitamin B12, are in fact often not digesting, absorbing
or assimilating their foods properly because of the condition of their
gastrointestinal tract. When their intestines are healed, vitamin B12
can be utilized and produced once again."

all my best to you,
Andrew


On Dec 11, 2006, at 8:31 PM, ladymarmalade696 wrote:

--- In [hidden email], "ladymarmalade696" <sharon.darnell@...>
wrote:
from Phyllicia,
When I lived in North Carolina, and had multiple ES symptoms,
I did take B12 shots 3 times a week. They did help my energy level
quite a lot. My doctor prescribed them for me, and my next door
neighbor, who was a nurse, administered them. If I needed them
now I would administer them myself. Sticking a little needle in
the thigh or hip is no big deal. Best Regards, Phyllicia

> If I needed them now I would administer them myself. Sticking
> a little needle in the thigh or hip is no big deal.

I wonder if shots are really necessary? It is generally thought
that B-12 is not absorbed in the stomach/intestines if taken in
a pill, however some manufacturers (e.g., Standard Process) seem
to think that adding an extra ingredient allows absorption.
Also, there are B-12 pills that are held beneath the tongue,
so they are absorbed directly into the bloodstream.

Of course, doctors like to insist that shots are necessary,
as they can charge you extra for that...

Marc (who has certainly taken pills which contain Vitamin B-12,
but hasn't noticed much from taking them)

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>Marc,

The shots worked better for me than pills or the sublingual pills.
My doctor didn't push the shots. I had to talk him into giving them
to me. Phyllicia

> The shots worked better for me than pills or the sublingual pills.
> My doctor didn't push the shots. I had to talk him into giving them
> to me. Phyllicia

Ahhh, okay, I shouldn't be so hard on the doctors, then... :-)

I believe the shots are also a much higher dosage than the pills (?)

Marc

There's a huge difference (at least for me) between
the various forms of B-12.

Intra-muscular injections of cyanocobalamine (1 cc every 2 weeks
for several months) had a significant somatic effect in the form of
more energy, and far less tremors. Thinking about going back for more.

Sublingual Methylcobalamine, which crosses the blood brain barrier,
affected my cranium. It really helped alleive my tooth pain after
having all the mercury fillings removed, whereas injections
offered no tooth pain releif.

Only about 1% of injested B-12 is ultimately absorbed.

Unfortunately neither helped my tinnitus.

One thing about injections or intravenous infusions is that they go straight
into the bloodstream. This can be better than pills for 2 reasons;
(1) B12 is a rather large molecule and is reckoned not to absorb
particularly well from the gut;
(2) if the underlying problem is leaky gut or some other intestinal
absorption disorder, the body isn't picking up B12 through the gut wall to
any significant extent (if at all).
 
Sveral practitioners, e.g Dr Myhill, strongly advocate B12 infusions. Sue
tried the, they helped somewhat but also made her "hyper" so she can only do
them occasionally.
 
Ian

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> The shots worked better for me than pills or the sublingual pills.
> My doctor didn't push the shots. I had to talk him into giving them
> to me. Phyllicia

Ahhh, okay, I shouldn't be so hard on the doctors, then... :-)

I believe the shots are also a much higher dosage than the pills (?)

Marc


 


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ian

Have you used dr myhill as a practioner, i am looking for one again. I
have already tried several.

pete
On 14 Dec 2006, at 21:32, Ian Kemp wrote:

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Pete
We haven't used her personally as her location was inconvenient for us (Sue
couldn't travel then) and she had a long waiting list. We eventually used
Breakspear Hospital at Hemel Hempstead.
Ian

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ian

Have you used dr myhill as a practioner, i am looking for one again. I
have already tried several.

pete
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I haven't seen the whole thread, but in case it hasn't been brought
up;

You can mix the injectible (liquid) B12 w/DMSO, and apply directly to
the skin, it will be absorbed transdermally this way.
I've done this when it's difficult to find a Dr. who knows about B12.

Nurse practitioners have been my best source for them. I had one
when pregnant for relieving sciatica (worked great), and another for
fatigue and stress in college.

I didn't find them making me hyper, so I wonder about the type, or
what other substances were in the injection? I found they gave me a
calm, even energy for about a month, and did work much better than
oral, sublingual, or nasal gel even.

Methocobalamin is the one to ask for by the way. Most is
cyanocobalamin (cyanide).

Merry Christmas all o' ya's.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> One thing about injections or intravenous infusions is that they go
straight
> into the bloodstream. This can be better than pills for 2 reasons;
> (1) B12 is a rather large molecule and is reckoned not to absorb
> particularly well from the gut;
> (2) if the underlying problem is leaky gut or some other intestinal
> absorption disorder, the body isn't picking up B12 through the gut
wall to
> any significant extent (if at all).
>  
> Sveral practitioners, e.g Dr Myhill, strongly advocate B12
infusions. Sue
> tried the, they helped somewhat but also made her "hyper" so she
can only do
> them occasionally.
>  
> Ian
>
> _____  
>