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Svetaswan-2

Attaching a "grounding wire" to laptops (& other devices)?

Hi - in trying to research different ways I can deal with my laptop EMF crisis, I came across some "interesting" webpages that mentioned "grounding" as a possible solution to reduce EMF. I seem to have no "talent" for understanding this "tech" stuff - so I wanted to run this by people who may have a greater understanding of the concepts to see if this is a legitimate/viable option. One of these sites (it was a discussion thread) mentioned that,since laptops run off of direct current, instead of alternating current - laptops aren't "grounded" - and they build up a high "floating" electrical field as a result. People suggest attaching an "earthing lead" (or grounding wire) to a laptop as a solution, to bring the electrical field down to "tolerable" levels.

There is another site that focuses on the "3-prong" power supply as a sign that a laptop is grounded. Supposedly, most laptops only have a "2-prong" power supply (I guess they're talking about the AC/DC adapter that hooks upto laptops). Where it got confusing for me is trying to understand whether these "experts" were saying that, if a laptop's power-supply is "3-pronged", that the laptop itself is properly earthed (grounded) - or if the presence of a 3-prong AC/DC adapter doesn't necessarily mean that the laptop itself is grounded.

The AC/DC adapter that hooks up to my laptop is 3-pronged (which means whenyou plug it into an outlet, you have to use all 3 "slots" of the outlet....the two vertical slits and the one rounded hole). But I'm still not convinced that my laptop is really "grounded". The fact that my AC/DC adapter has a 3-pronged plug may only mean that my AC/DC adapter is grounded, not necessarily the laptop. Or am I off-base with this?

When the AC/DC adapter is hooked up to the laptop - direct current is evidently delivered at fast-enough rate (or a high-enough quantity) to replenishthe battery. When the battery is replenished, does the DC "downregulate" to avoid an ever-building charge, or does it keep delivering DC at the samerate/quantity? Does "excess" direct current have a way of circulating outof the laptop, through a wire to the "ground" - or is it just "stuck" inside of the computer, where it "radiates" out to us?

I want to know if the concept of "grounding" a laptop is a legitimate one, or a bogus one. At least one of these sites singles out the 2005 Dell Inspiron model(s) as being the only laptops that were properly grounded. What was it about the way the 2005 Dell Inspirons were built that distinguished it from other laptops? As far as I can tell, there are several other laptops with a "3-pronged" power-supply...so this issue is confusing for me.

Here are the webpages that discuss the so-called benefits of "grounding" a laptop. (The 3rd site is a link to a discussion thread - scroll through andread the relevant posts.) What do you think?

http://www.spaceclearing.com/html/emfs-blogmenu-99/628-living-with-your-laptop

http://www.emfoff.com/category/devices-emitting-emf-radiation (Scroll downto "03: Computers - A dangerous technology" )

http://emf.mercola.com/groups/emf/forum/t/103960.aspx

Has anyone tried "grounding" a laptop or another electrical device?

BiBrun

Re: Attaching a "grounding wire" to laptops (& other

For some people this makes a big difference.
It means they are responding to the electric field.

If you have 3 prongs then the laptop should be
grounded, but depending on how it is made
there could still be an electric field at the keyboard.
Plus, unless you have an isolated grounding system
your ground is connected to the power company
neutral. So it has dirty power etc. on it.

I would not recommend using the built-in keyboard
ever anyway. If you have 3 prongs, an external keyboard
should be grounded, and if well made will not have
an obvious electric field. But will still have RF.
I try to use my laptops on battery, not plugged in.

A proper RF grounding strap to an RF earth ground
would be nice with a unibody aluminum laptop, and
touchpad disabled, LED backlight, you might have
extremely low electric fields. But there are still magnetic
fields and RF, especially from the screen.

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:29 AM, svetaswan <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> Hi - in trying to research different ways I can deal with my laptop EMF
> crisis, I came across some "interesting" webpages that mentioned "grounding"
> as a possible solution to reduce EMF. I seem to have no "talent" for
> understanding this "tech" stuff - so I wanted to run this by people who may
> have a greater understanding of the concepts to see if this is a
> legitimate/viable option. One of these sites (it was a discussion thread)
> mentioned that, since laptops run off of direct current, instead of
> alternating current - laptops aren't "grounded" - and they build up a high
> "floating" electrical field as a result. People suggest attaching an
> "earthing lead" (or grounding wire) to a laptop as a solution, to bring the
> electrical field down to "tolerable" levels.
>
> There is another site that focuses on the "3-prong" power supply as a sign
> that a laptop is grounded. Supposedly, most laptops only have a "2-prong"
> power supply (I guess they're talking about the AC/DC adapter that hooks up
> to laptops). Where it got confusing for me is trying to understand whether
> these "experts" were saying that, if a laptop's power-supply is "3-pronged",
> that the laptop itself is properly earthed (grounded) - or if the presence
> of a 3-prong AC/DC adapter doesn't necessarily mean that the laptop itself
> is grounded.
>
> The AC/DC adapter that hooks up to my laptop is 3-pronged (which means when
> you plug it into an outlet, you have to use all 3 "slots" of the
> outlet....the two vertical slits and the one rounded hole). But I'm still
> not convinced that my laptop is really "grounded". The fact that my AC/DC
> adapter has a 3-pronged plug may only mean that my AC/DC adapter is
> grounded, not necessarily the laptop. Or am I off-base with this?
>
> When the AC/DC adapter is hooked up to the laptop - direct current is
> evidently delivered at fast-enough rate (or a high-enough quantity) to
> replenish the battery. When the battery is replenished, does the DC
> "downregulate" to avoid an ever-building charge, or does it keep delivering
> DC at the same rate/quantity? Does "excess" direct current have a way of
> circulating out of the laptop, through a wire to the "ground" - or is it
> just "stuck" inside of the computer, where it "radiates" out to us?
>
> I want to know if the concept of "grounding" a laptop is a legitimate one,
> or a bogus one. At least one of these sites singles out the 2005 Dell
> Inspiron model(s) as being the only laptops that were properly grounded.
> What was it about the way the 2005 Dell Inspirons were built that
> distinguished it from other laptops? As far as I can tell, there are several
> other laptops with a "3-pronged" power-supply...so this issue is confusing
> for me.
>
> Here are the webpages that discuss the so-called benefits of "grounding" a
> laptop. (The 3rd site is a link to a discussion thread - scroll through and
> read the relevant posts.) What do you think?
>
>
> http://www.spaceclearing.com/html/emfs-blogmenu-99/628-living-with-your-laptop
>
> http://www.emfoff.com/category/devices-emitting-emf-radiation (Scroll down
> to "03: Computers - A dangerous technology" )
>
> http://emf.mercola.com/groups/emf/forum/t/103960.aspx
>
> Has anyone tried "grounding" a laptop or another electrical device?
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Svetaswan-2

Re: Attaching a "grounding wire" to laptops (& other devices)?

Yeah - I've read that operating a laptop on battery is supposedly "safer" -but that poses a problem for me because my laptop only has about 2 hours of battery life. (Probably less than 2 hours, at this point.)

So are you saying that even a USB keyboard & mouse hooked up to my laptop would carry little-to-no electric field and would be "grounded"?

~Svetaswan

--- In [hidden email], Bill Bruno <wbruno@...> wrote:

>
> For some people this makes a big difference.
> It means they are responding to the electric field.
>
> If you have 3 prongs then the laptop should be
> grounded, but depending on how it is made
> there could still be an electric field at the keyboard.
> Plus, unless you have an isolated grounding system
> your ground is connected to the power company
> neutral. So it has dirty power etc. on it.
>
> I would not recommend using the built-in keyboard
> ever anyway. If you have 3 prongs, an external keyboard
> should be grounded, and if well made will not have
> an obvious electric field. But will still have RF.
> I try to use my laptops on battery, not plugged in.
>
> A proper RF grounding strap to an RF earth ground
> would be nice with a unibody aluminum laptop, and
> touchpad disabled, LED backlight, you might have
> extremely low electric fields. But there are still magnetic
> fields and RF, especially from the screen.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:29 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi - in trying to research different ways I can deal with my laptop EMF
> > crisis, I came across some "interesting" webpages that mentioned "grounding"
> > as a possible solution to reduce EMF. I seem to have no "talent" for
> > understanding this "tech" stuff - so I wanted to run this by people whomay
> > have a greater understanding of the concepts to see if this is a
> > legitimate/viable option. One of these sites (it was a discussion thread)
> > mentioned that, since laptops run off of direct current, instead of
> > alternating current - laptops aren't "grounded" - and they build up a high
> > "floating" electrical field as a result. People suggest attaching an
> > "earthing lead" (or grounding wire) to a laptop as a solution, to bringthe
> > electrical field down to "tolerable" levels.
> >
> > There is another site that focuses on the "3-prong" power supply as a sign
> > that a laptop is grounded. Supposedly, most laptops only have a "2-prong"
> > power supply (I guess they're talking about the AC/DC adapter that hooks up
> > to laptops). Where it got confusing for me is trying to understand whether
> > these "experts" were saying that, if a laptop's power-supply is "3-pronged",
> > that the laptop itself is properly earthed (grounded) - or if the presence
> > of a 3-prong AC/DC adapter doesn't necessarily mean that the laptop itself
> > is grounded.
> >
> > The AC/DC adapter that hooks up to my laptop is 3-pronged (which means when
> > you plug it into an outlet, you have to use all 3 "slots" of the
> > outlet....the two vertical slits and the one rounded hole). But I'm still
> > not convinced that my laptop is really "grounded". The fact that my AC/DC
> > adapter has a 3-pronged plug may only mean that my AC/DC adapter is
> > grounded, not necessarily the laptop. Or am I off-base with this?
> >
> > When the AC/DC adapter is hooked up to the laptop - direct current is
> > evidently delivered at fast-enough rate (or a high-enough quantity) to
> > replenish the battery. When the battery is replenished, does the DC
> > "downregulate" to avoid an ever-building charge, or does it keep delivering
> > DC at the same rate/quantity? Does "excess" direct current have a way of
> > circulating out of the laptop, through a wire to the "ground" - or is it
> > just "stuck" inside of the computer, where it "radiates" out to us?
> >
> > I want to know if the concept of "grounding" a laptop is a legitimate one,
> > or a bogus one. At least one of these sites singles out the 2005 Dell
> > Inspiron model(s) as being the only laptops that were properly grounded.
> > What was it about the way the 2005 Dell Inspirons were built that
> > distinguished it from other laptops? As far as I can tell, there are several
> > other laptops with a "3-pronged" power-supply...so this issue is confusing
> > for me.
> >
> > Here are the webpages that discuss the so-called benefits of "grounding" a
> > laptop. (The 3rd site is a link to a discussion thread - scroll throughand
> > read the relevant posts.) What do you think?
> >
> >
> > http://www.spaceclearing.com/html/emfs-blogmenu-99/628-living-with-your-laptop
> >
> > http://www.emfoff.com/category/devices-emitting-emf-radiation (Scroll down
> > to "03: Computers - A dangerous technology" )
> >
> > http://emf.mercola.com/groups/emf/forum/t/103960.aspx
> >
> > Has anyone tried "grounding" a laptop or another electrical device?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

BiBrun

Re: Attaching a "grounding wire" to laptops (& other

If you use the built-in ones your hands are right over the
processor. Plus track pads use EMFs to find your had.

I was able to find some good used spare batteries and
an extra laptop to charge them with. Amazing what
people get rid of these days... but a lot of used batteries
are dead.

I am also trying CoolBook if you have an intel Mac check
it out.

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 2:56 PM, svetaswan <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Yeah - I've read that operating a laptop on battery is supposedly "safer"-
> but that poses a problem for me because my laptop only has about 2 hours of
> battery life. (Probably less than 2 hours, at this point.)
>
> So are you saying that even a USB keyboard & mouse hooked up to my laptop
> would carry little-to-no electric field and would be "grounded"?
>
> ~Svetaswan
>
>
> --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Bill Bruno
> <wbruno@...> wrote:
> >
> > For some people this makes a big difference.
> > It means they are responding to the electric field.
> >
> > If you have 3 prongs then the laptop should be
> > grounded, but depending on how it is made
> > there could still be an electric field at the keyboard.
> > Plus, unless you have an isolated grounding system
> > your ground is connected to the power company
> > neutral. So it has dirty power etc. on it.
> >
> > I would not recommend using the built-in keyboard
> > ever anyway. If you have 3 prongs, an external keyboard
> > should be grounded, and if well made will not have
> > an obvious electric field. But will still have RF.
> > I try to use my laptops on battery, not plugged in.
> >
> > A proper RF grounding strap to an RF earth ground
> > would be nice with a unibody aluminum laptop, and
> > touchpad disabled, LED backlight, you might have
> > extremely low electric fields. But there are still magnetic
> > fields and RF, especially from the screen.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:29 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi - in trying to research different ways I can deal with my laptop EMF
> > > crisis, I came across some "interesting" webpages that mentioned
> "grounding"
> > > as a possible solution to reduce EMF. I seem to have no "talent" for
> > > understanding this "tech" stuff - so I wanted to run this by people who
> may
> > > have a greater understanding of the concepts to see if this is a
> > > legitimate/viable option. One of these sites (it was a discussion
> thread)
> > > mentioned that, since laptops run off of direct current, instead of
> > > alternating current - laptops aren't "grounded" - and they build up a
> high
> > > "floating" electrical field as a result. People suggest attaching an
> > > "earthing lead" (or grounding wire) to a laptop as a solution, to bring
> the
> > > electrical field down to "tolerable" levels.
> > >
> > > There is another site that focuses on the "3-prong" power supply as a
> sign
> > > that a laptop is grounded. Supposedly, most laptops only have a
> "2-prong"
> > > power supply (I guess they're talking about the AC/DC adapter that
> hooks up
> > > to laptops). Where it got confusing for me is trying to understand
> whether
> > > these "experts" were saying that, if a laptop's power-supply is
> "3-pronged",
> > > that the laptop itself is properly earthed (grounded) - or if the
> presence
> > > of a 3-prong AC/DC adapter doesn't necessarily mean that the laptop
> itself
> > > is grounded.
> > >
> > > The AC/DC adapter that hooks up to my laptop is 3-pronged (which means
> when
> > > you plug it into an outlet, you have to use all 3 "slots" of the
> > > outlet....the two vertical slits and the one rounded hole). But I'm
> still
> > > not convinced that my laptop is really "grounded". The fact that my
> AC/DC
> > > adapter has a 3-pronged plug may only mean that my AC/DC adapter is
> > > grounded, not necessarily the laptop. Or am I off-base with this?
> > >
> > > When the AC/DC adapter is hooked up to the laptop - direct current is
> > > evidently delivered at fast-enough rate (or a high-enough quantity) to
> > > replenish the battery. When the battery is replenished, does the DC
> > > "downregulate" to avoid an ever-building charge, or does it keep
> delivering
> > > DC at the same rate/quantity? Does "excess" direct current have a way
> of
> > > circulating out of the laptop, through a wire to the "ground" - or is
> it
> > > just "stuck" inside of the computer, where it "radiates" out to us?
> > >
> > > I want to know if the concept of "grounding" a laptop is a legitimate
> one,
> > > or a bogus one. At least one of these sites singles out the 2005 Dell
> > > Inspiron model(s) as being the only laptops that were properly
> grounded.
> > > What was it about the way the 2005 Dell Inspirons were built that
> > > distinguished it from other laptops? As far as I can tell, there are
> several
> > > other laptops with a "3-pronged" power-supply...so this issue is
> confusing
> > > for me.
> > >
> > > Here are the webpages that discuss the so-called benefits of
> "grounding" a
> > > laptop. (The 3rd site is a link to a discussion thread - scroll through
> and
> > > read the relevant posts.) What do you think?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> http://www.spaceclearing.com/html/emfs-blogmenu-99/628-living-with-your-laptop
> > >
> > > http://www.emfoff.com/category/devices-emitting-emf-radiation (Scroll
> down
> > > to "03: Computers - A dangerous technology" )
> > >
> > > http://emf.mercola.com/groups/emf/forum/t/103960.aspx
> > >
> > > Has anyone tried "grounding" a laptop or another electrical device?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

PUK

Re: Attaching a "grounding wire" to laptops (& other devices)?

In reply to this post by Svetaswan-2

In a message dated 18/01/2010 03:31:26 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email]
writes:

So are you saying that even a USB keyboard & mouse hooked up to my laptop
> would carry little-to-no electric field and would be "grounded"?

puk replies - I have found very large electric feilds coming off my
keyboard in the past, perhaps something to do with earth problems so be wary of
this worth checking with a trifeild or similar just in case, as problems like
this can be the single cuase of ES for some people who may have sat at
such a keyboard for many years.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Svetaswan-2

Re: Attaching a "grounding wire" to laptops (& other devices)?

--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:

>
>
> In a message dated 18/01/2010 03:31:26 GMT Standard Time, wbruno@...
> writes:
>
> So are you saying that even a USB keyboard & mouse hooked up to my laptop
> > would carry little-to-no electric field and would be "grounded"?
>
>
>
> puk replies - I have found very large electric feilds coming off my
> keyboard in the past, perhaps something to do with earth problems so be wary of
> this worth checking with a trifeild or similar just in case, as problems like
> this can be the single cuase of ES for some people who may have sat at
> such a keyboard for many years.

(Latest response from Svetaswan) - Hi Puk, please excuse me for asking a "dumb" question, but I just wanted to clarify something about what you said above. When you said, "I have found very large electric fields coming off my keyboard in the past, perhaps something to do with earth problems" - you do mean the built-in keyboard that's on the laptop, right? Just wanted to verify that you didn't mean the wired keyboard that you attached to your laptop to try to get away from the large electric fields.

My funds are limited, so I don't know how possible it is for me to buy one of those EMF measuring devices - such as a Gausmeter, etc. Besides, EMFs come in widely varying frequencies - and many Gaussmeters may only pick up some of the frequencies, while missing other frequencies that are affecting an electrosensitive person. So one would have to be careful to buy a meterthat would give you a complete picture of what is emanating off the computer - and if there is one meter that does that, I'm guessing that it's a pretty expensive meter.

That's just based on what I've read so far about this EMF issue - I admit that I'm about as far from an expert as you can get.

~Svetaswan

Svetaswan-2

Re: Attaching a "grounding wire" to laptops (& other devices)?

In reply to this post by BiBrun

Hi Bill, I just wanted to ask another question about what you wrote below. Apparently, I'm a complete novice on these topics and don't have anywhere near the knowledge as many of you - so forgive me if these questions are seem "basic". You mentioned RF fields coming from the monitor - does RF stand for "radio frequency"? Since I turned down the color intensity and dimmed down my laptop's monitor brightness, I didn't think I had much to worry about with the monitor - are you saying that I still could be affected by whatever "fields" my monitor may be emitting?

Is UV light much of a concern with laptop monitors? As I mentioned in my first post to this group, my skin has aged considerably since I started using this laptop - could it have anything to do with possible UV rays coming from the monitor?

~Svetaswan

--- In [hidden email], Bill Bruno <wbruno@...> wrote:

charles-4

Re: Attaching a "grounding wire" to laptops (& other devices)?

In reply to this post by Svetaswan-2

There are keyboards and keyboards.

Even among wired keyboards there are differences.

Those with non shielded wires are ok.
But those where the wires are shielded, the VLF is coming out of the keys,
and vola, you have *dirty air*.

Listen to the modulations on http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: "svetaswan" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:57 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Attaching a "grounding wire" to laptops (& other
devices)?

>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 18/01/2010 03:31:26 GMT Standard Time, wbruno@...
>> writes:
>>
>> So are you saying that even a USB keyboard & mouse hooked up to my
>> laptop
>> > would carry little-to-no electric field and would be "grounded"?
>>
>>
>>
>> puk replies - I have found very large electric feilds coming off my
>> keyboard in the past, perhaps something to do with earth problems so be
>> wary of
>> this worth checking with a trifeild or similar just in case, as problems
>> like
>> this can be the single cuase of ES for some people who may have sat at
>> such a keyboard for many years.
>
>
> (Latest response from Svetaswan) - Hi Puk, please excuse me for asking a
> "dumb" question, but I just wanted to clarify something about what you
> said above. When you said, "I have found very large electric fields
> coming off my keyboard in the past, perhaps something to do with earth
> problems" - you do mean the built-in keyboard that's on the laptop, right?
> Just wanted to verify that you didn't mean the wired keyboard that you
> attached to your laptop to try to get away from the large electric fields.
>
> My funds are limited, so I don't know how possible it is for me to buy one
> of those EMF measuring devices - such as a Gausmeter, etc. Besides, EMFs
> come in widely varying frequencies - and many Gaussmeters may only pick up
> some of the frequencies, while missing other frequencies that are
> affecting an electrosensitive person. So one would have to be careful to
> buy a meter that would give you a complete picture of what is emanating
> off the computer - and if there is one meter that does that, I'm guessing
> that it's a pretty expensive meter.
>
> That's just based on what I've read so far about this EMF issue - I admit
> that I'm about as far from an expert as you can get.
>
> ~Svetaswan
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

BiBrun

Re: Attaching a "grounding wire" to laptops (& other

Charles, are you saying that if the wires are shielded the
emission from the keyboard is worse? Are these all USB
keyboards? I thought USB was always shielded.

To Svetaswan
Yes RF=radio frequency.

I know that fluorescent bulbs emit UV, but it is easy to
shield by most clear plastics, so I don't know if you
have to worry with an LCD monitor or not. Skin problems
are common with the CRT monitors, and I suspect also
with the larger flat panel ones...

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:51 PM, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> There are keyboards and keyboards.
>
> Even among wired keyboards there are differences.
>
> Those with non shielded wires are ok.
> But those where the wires are shielded, the VLF is coming out of the keys,
> and vola, you have *dirty air*.
>
> Listen to the modulations on http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "svetaswan" <[hidden email] <svetaswan%40yahoo.com>>
> To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:57 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Attaching a "grounding wire" to laptops (& other
> devices)?
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, paulpjc@...
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 18/01/2010 03:31:26 GMT Standard Time, wbruno@...
> >> writes:
> >>
> >> So are you saying that even a USB keyboard & mouse hooked up to my
> >> laptop
> >> > would carry little-to-no electric field and would be "grounded"?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> puk replies - I have found very large electric feilds coming off my
> >> keyboard in the past, perhaps something to do with earth problems so be
> >> wary of
> >> this worth checking with a trifeild or similar just in case, as problems
>
> >> like
> >> this can be the single cuase of ES for some people who may have sat at
> >> such a keyboard for many years.
> >
> >
> > (Latest response from Svetaswan) - Hi Puk, please excuse me for asking a
> > "dumb" question, but I just wanted to clarify something about what you
> > said above. When you said, "I have found very large electric fields
> > coming off my keyboard in the past, perhaps something to do with earth
> > problems" - you do mean the built-in keyboard that's on the laptop,
> right?
> > Just wanted to verify that you didn't mean the wired keyboard that you
> > attached to your laptop to try to get away from the large electric
> fields.
> >
> > My funds are limited, so I don't know how possible it is for me to buy
> one
> > of those EMF measuring devices - such as a Gausmeter, etc. Besides, EMFs
> > come in widely varying frequencies - and many Gaussmeters may only pick
> up
> > some of the frequencies, while missing other frequencies that are
> > affecting an electrosensitive person. So one would have to be careful to
> > buy a meter that would give you a complete picture of what is emanating
> > off the computer - and if there is one meter that does that, I'm guessing
>
> > that it's a pretty expensive meter.
> >
> > That's just based on what I've read so far about this EMF issue - I admit
>
> > that I'm about as far from an expert as you can get.
> >
> > ~Svetaswan
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Svetaswan-2

Re: Attaching a "grounding wire" to laptops (& other devices)?

--- In [hidden email], Bill Bruno <wbruno@...> wrote:
>
>
Skin problems
> are common with the CRT monitors, and I suspect also
> with the larger flat panel ones...
>

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Ironic, because back when I was using a 15" CRT monitor (with my Gateway desktop PC) - I had youthful, elastic skin, lol. I just didn't experience any skin problems with the CRT monitors I used, and I spent many years with my face planted a short distance from them.

So fast forward to 2008, when I first started using a laptop extensively. Within a couple of weeks of heavy use, I noticed the skin on my hands/fingers "aging" and becoming less elastic, as well as the skin around my forehead/eye area. Perhaps this is due not to UV rays - but to the harmful frequencies of the EMF emanating from the keyboard/mouse area, and/or the high electric fields in said area. I wish I knew. Maybe the EMF has interfered with my sleep/renewal/melatonin system, causing such aging (and other problems).

~Svetaswan

Christina Steils

ES and Kings college London UK! We are all mad!

http://www.iop.kcl.ac.uk/staff/profile/default.aspx?go=10361

http://www.iop.kcl.ac.uk/departments/?locator=364&context=975#item01

This is his sponsor below

http://www.mthr.org.uk/index.htm

Please make contact with both parties, explaining what happened to you.
They have to start listening at some point

Giles

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PUK

Re: Attaching a "grounding wire" to laptops (& other devices)?

In reply to this post by Svetaswan-2

In a message dated 20/01/2010 22:52:39 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

So fast forward to 2008, when I first started using a laptop extensively.
Within a couple of weeks of heavy use, I noticed the skin on my
hands/fingers "aging" and becoming less elastic, as well as the skin around my
forehead/eye area. Perhaps this is due not to UV rays - but to the harmful
frequencies of the EMF emanating from the keyboard/mouse area, and/or the high
electric fields

PUK REPLIES - Talk to me about it ! my hands are crinkled like an old
ladies !!!

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PUK

Re: Attaching a "grounding wire" to laptops (& other devices)?

In reply to this post by Svetaswan-2

In a message dated 20/01/2010 21:17:28 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email]
writes:

(Latest response from Svetaswan) - Hi Puk, please excuse me for asking a
> > "dumb" question, but I just wanted to clarify something about what you
> > said above. When you said, "I have found very large electric fields
> > coming off my keyboard in the past, perhaps something to do with earth
> > problems" - you do mean the built-in keyboard that's on the laptop,
> right?
> > Just wanted to verify that you didn't mean the wired keyboard that you
> > attached to your laptop to try to get away from the large electric
> fields.

puk replies - No I meant an ordinary keyboard, I had set up a desktop pc in
a log cabin at the end of my garden, very long wire with a poor earth some
how the keyboard was registering a massive Efeild, until I earthed the
desktop box, but then gave up on the whole idea, and now only have 12volt
stuff in the cabin. Ihad not realised at the time that there existed a
profound problem with a neibours Plasma TV kicking out relentless RF into the air
and mains in the locality, so my computer in the cabin also conected to
telecoms was broadcasting this off into my face and body. There is no doubt
that the quality of electrical supply to the pc and vdu makes a big
difference in terms of severitry of symptoms, they re-radiate not only thier dirty
power but that which is present in the mains electricity SEWER !

P

a good tip if you are able is to go to car boot sales and buy up old
keyboards and mice for next to nothing and try these out......

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PUK

Re: Attaching a "grounding wire" to laptops (& other devices)?

In reply to this post by Svetaswan-2

In a message dated 20/01/2010 21:17:28 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email]
writes:

Those with non shielded wires are ok.
> But those where the wires are shielded, the VLF is coming out of the
keys,
> and vola, you have *dirty air*.

PUK replies - with the dirty air, perhaps this is where a good gizmo would
really help in the imediate locality. I wonder for short term relief
wether the ES defense system can be hoodwinked using a new novel frequency to
drown out the ones that you have started to react to, perhaps a device that
changes frequency from time to time.

p

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furstc0404-2

Re: ES and Kings college London UK! We are all mad!

In reply to this post by Christina Steils

Simon Wessley, Sharpe et al, over the years, have riduculed, and caused immense harm to those of us suffering from CFS, EMF/ES, GWVs, Fibromyalgia, etc...

They now call themselves neurophsychiatrist or immunoneuropsychiatists, to make up for the fact that so called "mental" illnesses have a bilogical basis. There is a strong lobby of psychiatrists and psychologists, who are in fact, anti psychiatriy and anti psycho babbles...

Letters were sent to all neurologists in the UK, that if tests and investigations were negative, patients should be referred to psychiatrists instead. Now, remember, mosts tests have a low level of accuracy and specificity, in particular for mitochondrial and new metabolic disorders arising from taking meds, or environmental.

Gone are the days, when tests and investigations were used as supporting evidence of a diagnosis. Most of these tests are subjective, in many cases, invalid. A few months ago, I was told that if my mito biopsy came up "normal" I would be referred for CBT, LOL, now these tests are unreliable, and show accuracy at the rate of 16%. I decided not to go ahead. Same for a spinal. In most cases, they are only part of investigations, on their own, are not very meaningful.

Neuroscience is gaining ground, but will no doubt be tainted and polluted by Big Pharma, for ever making smart pills whilst colluding psychs and DSM-Vfor new labels dubbing perfectly normal behavior such as "shyness" social,anxiety phobia etc...

I wouldn't dare tell any of my doctors about EMF/ES, they would dial the little men in white coat to take me away!!!

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Christina Steils <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Christina Steils <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] ES and Kings college London UK! We are all mad!
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 4:04 AM

http://www.iop. kcl.ac.uk/ staff/profile/ default.aspx? go=10361

http://www.iop. kcl.ac.uk/ departments/ ?locator= 364&context= 975#item01

This is his sponsor below

http://www.mthr. org.uk/index. htm

Please make contact with both parties, explaining what happened to you.

They have to start listening at some point

Giles

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Svetaswan-2

Re: ES and Kings college London UK! We are all mad!

In reply to this post by Christina Steils

Thanks for those links, and I really wish I did have the energy to write a persuasive, well-thought-out letter to relevant entities....but it's such astruggle for me to even do basic things, and even write basic posts on the'Net - let alone wage a campaign against "The Powers That Be" regarding myelectrosensitivity. Part of the reason for my dismal energy, I'm now pretty convinced, is my "EMF sickness"...it's made my already dismal energy-levels even more dismal.

I guess those people have me where they "want" me - too "sick" to speak outagainst what's happening and to put up a good fight.

Would they listen to Americans, anyway? ;) (I'm thinking that they would be more willing to listen to us Americans than actual Americans would be.)

~Svetaswan

--- In [hidden email], Christina Steils <csteils@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> http://www.iop.kcl.ac.uk/staff/profile/default.aspx?go=10361
>
> http://www.iop.kcl.ac.uk/departments/?locator=364&context=975#item01
>
> This is his sponsor below
>
> http://www.mthr.org.uk/index.htm
>
> Please make contact with both parties, explaining what happened to you.
> They have to start listening at some point
>
> Giles
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>