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Chris-2
Dear All,

Some of you will be aware of the difficulties we've been having finding
a
home which isn't iradiated by mobile phone masts, and the new police
radio
system TETRA. Well I got a mention in an article in The West Highland
Free
Press, a respected newspaper which covers most of the west coast of
Scotland.

Regards,

Chris

Article text:-

Health controversy grows as spread of telecoms masts continues apace.
West Highland Free Press Newspaper
http://www.whfp.com/ <http://www.whfp.com/>
Friday, 24th February, 2005.

MICHAEL RUSSELL on the debate over the proliferation of the TETRA
microwave
communication system, due to go live in Skye and Lochalsh next week

Chris Butterfield suffers from a rare condition called
electro-sensitivity.
Put simply, the Fife-based photographer is allergic to mobile phone
technology, specifically the microwave signals which let the rest of us
talk, text and cook.

As allergies go, this is about as bad as it gets. Skin rashes,
headaches,
disorientation and nosebleeds are what 30-year-old Chris has to con
tend
with whenever he passes a base station mast, or when someone nearby by
uses
the latest whizzbang 3G phone. It all makes for a very un comfortable
and
difficult life. A trip to the shops or a walk in the country can
suddenly
turn into a very painful experience.

Naturally his mother, Liz, wants to help. Last month she visited the
offices
of the Free Press to place an advert seeking accommodation on Skye.
"There
are wide open spaces in the Highlands where there are no masts," she
explained. "Chris is looking for somewhere he can live without being
afraid
to go for a drive or a walk."

Fife to Skye is a long drive, es pecially for someone who herself
suffers
from ME. Evidently a son's health is more important than a mother's
discomfort. She spent a few days house-hunting, placed the advert, then
went
back to Leven to wait for the good news.

What she got, however, was bad news. Now she and Chris will be staying
put,
at least for the time being. The Highlands and Islands, it transpires,
are
no longer the safe haven sought by mother and son. They know what to
blame
for that.

As of this month, Northern Constabulary started switching on its new
"Airwave" system of microwave communication, promising police officers
unprecedented access to data, encrypted security and inter-force
capability.

Activating a vast network of Airwave antennae across Northern
Constabulary's
eight area commands means a lot more masts, and a lot more radiation,
for
people like Chris Butterfield to dodge. The roll-out started in
Lochaber at
the beginning of this month, and is due to end when Skye and Lochalsh
"goes
live" next week.

According to Northern Constabulary, the whole Integrated Communiciation
Development Programme - of which Airwave is the central element - has
cost
£4.5 million. Nationally, almost £3 billion of taxpayers' money
has been
spent to date on putting the basic Airwave system in place, so the
Government is expecting big things from it. The rush to complete the
national roll-out as soon as possible was driven by Gordon Brown's
decision
four years ago to sell all the police frequencies to an expectant
mobile
phone industry desperate to recoup the huge amounts spent on 3G
technology.
But many global players, both commercial and military, also want
Airwave up
and running because of its own intrinsic value.

Already various upgrades and add-ons, many with future military
applications, are coming on the market. American telecoms giant
Motorola -
which dominates the UK Airwave market - launched the next generation of
masts just three months ago. Arms giants Thales, EADS and Northrop
Grumman
also offer Airwave products and services. Inevitably, the cost is bound
to
increase over the course of the 15-year contract. This is a
world-first,
after all.

Over the last five years around 3,500 Airwave antennae, most of them
site-sharing with other operators and thus free from the usual planning
constraints, have been put up nationwide. Northern Constabulary Chief
Constable Ian Latimer initially said the force needed 287 Airwave sites
to
cover the Highlands and Islands. That figure now stands at 150, raising
concerns about how full coverage can be achieved with fewer masts. All
the
UK's 51 police forces are committed to Airwave, and this makes
thousands of
electro-sensitives like Chris nervous. They are not alone.

Since the system was piloted in Lancashire in 2000, there has been a
steady
stream of complaints from both users (police officers) and communities
near
to transmitters. Violent reactions like those experienced by Chris
Butterfield have occurred in people not known as electrosensitive. What
is
it about Airwave that might affect ordinary people in this way? And are
its
effects being ignored - or worse, covered up - by the industry?

The health controversy centres on two aspects of the system - the
alleged
pulsing of the microwave signals from Airwave police handsets

and base stations, and the fact that base station transmitters are on
full
power 24/7. Ordinary mobile phone masts, by contrast, respond to
demand,
adjusting their power output accordingly.

Airwave is the light and fluffy brand name chosen for this technology
by
mobile company 02, which was formerly part of BT. The system is more
accurately known as TErrestrial Trunked RAdio - TETRA.

During the Lancashire pilot study, 177 police officers complained of
the
same symptoms described by Chris Butterfield. Behavioural and emotional
changes were also noted. Such was the concern within the police service
at
the time that the Police Federation commissioned

Government microwave expert Barrie Trower to investigate the
technology. His
findings were shocking.

"Since the system was piloted in Lancashire in 2000, there has been a
steady
stream of complaints from users and from
communities near to transmitters"

Microwaves from the UK's 40,000 mobile phone masts are bad news. Pulsed
microwaves from TETRA are even worse. Mr Trower said both interfere
with the
electrical processes within the body and, depending on their frequency,
can
produce very specific effects and will even degrade immune systems in
the
long term. The 17.6 Hz frequency used by TETRA is especially
significant:
that is slap bang in the middle of the 15-20 Hz range which
characterises
the brain's electrical activity when engaged in complex mental tasks.
Referred to in neuroscience as Beta Waves, this frequency range is also
evident during the dream-state of sleep, which sufferers say is
disrupted
because of TETRA. Strobe lights are banned from flashing at this rate
for
this very reason, in case they induce an epileptic fit.

When he was head of the Independent Expert Group on Mobile Phones, Sir
William Stewart, now chairman of the Health

Protection Agency and formerly chairman of the National Radiological
Protection Board, warned in 2000 that this frequency should be avoided.
The
Group noted that there "is now scientific evidence which suggests that
there
may be biological effects" occurring at exposure levels below official
limits for microwaves from mobile phone (known in the industry as GSM)
technology. Children under eight, said Sir William, should never use a
mobile phone at all as they have thinner skulls than adults and their
nervous systems are still developing.

As a result of the IEGMP's findings, microwave emissions from mobile
phone
masts and TETRA transmitters now have to stick to stringent
international
limits, which came into force in the UK in 2004. In an effort to allay
public fears, the NRPB told the telecoms regulator OFCOM in 2004 to put
all
emissions data from GSM and TETRA base stations on their website. So
far,
only four masts in Scotland have been listed on Of corn's Sitefinder
facility. None of the four is north of Falkirk, and no TETRA masts are
included.

OFCOM spokesman Simon Bates told me that the Home Office had prevented
the
publication of any TETRA readings on security grounds. Verifying
industry
claims that TETRA complies with official microwave limits is therefore
impossible.

But crucially for Mr Trower, and a growing body of expert opinion,
those
offical limits - enforced by the International Commission on
Non-Ionising
Radiation Protection - are badly flawed because they only cover the
body
heating effects of the radiation.

Since the Stewart Report of 2000, IEGMP consultees Dr Gerald Hyland and
Dr
Roger Coghill have published several papers which suggest, in common
with Mr
Trower, that key frequencies emitted by TETRA and mobile phone masts
produce
specific effects for entirely different reasons.

In a paper prepared for the European Parliament, Dr Hyland wrote:
"Unlike
the heating effect exposure to microwaves which can, if excessive,
cause
actual material damage, non-thermal influences act in a more subtle
way, via
their potentiality to interfere with biological functionality - in
particular, it would appear, with bioprocesses which are intended to
afford
(natural) protection against adverse health effects of various kinds."

The industry, including its paid reseachers and political advocates, is
unmoved. Recognising non-thermal effects, despite Sir William Stewart's
admission, is still some way off. In fact, the official line is that
TETRA
signals from base stations do not pulse.

This assertion, say the Scottish Green Party, is a "hair-splitting"
argument
which averages out the signal over a set time period. Messrs Trower,
Hyland
and Coghill say the same. However, 02 do admit that the police handsets
and
car-mounted antennae do pulse. Makers of rival system TETRAPOL, which
is
used by the emergency services across Europe, say that UK TETRA base
stations do pulse, though you might expect the competition to say that.

SEEKING some kind of clarity, I spoke to a man who should be able to
give a
definitive answer to the pulsing question.

Dr Michael Clark is a leading radiation expert who works for the Health
Protection Agency, the body which absorbed Sir William Stewart's NRPB
in
April of last year. The HP A acknowledge that TETRA is different from
other
microwave technologies. But how different? Does it pulse?

According to Dr Clark, any electrical signal has to drop to zero to
qualify
as pulsed. "That is the offical definition that has been recognised for
30
years," he explained. "However, the TETRA signal does rise and fall at
specific frequencies."

Could this rising and falling produce a biological effect? "That cannot
be
ruled out," he replied.

Dr Clark also acknowledged that all the current research being
conducted by
the Home Office was focused on the handsets and car-mounted antennae
used by
police officers. Not a single health study has been conducted on
communities
near any of the 3,500 TETRA sites in the UK. "We do need more research
in
this area," Dr Clark observed.

Such a move would certainly be welcomed by concerned residents across
the
UK. Groups from as far afield as Bognor Regis and Perthshire have
reported
the same symptoms as those felt by Chris Butterfield. And very few of
them
qualify as electro-sensitives.

Arthur Jarrett, an anti-TETRA activist from Wormit in Fife - where
councillors refused 02 planning permission for a TETRA mast last year -
said
more and more ordinary people were reporting microwave symptoms because
the
technology had changed so rapidly in such a short space of time. The
proliferation of masts and phones (the latter increasing in number
tenfold
in the UK between 1995 and 2005) and the advent of 3G meant, he said,
that
power outputs had increased considerably to give full coverage and to
"do
all the wonderful things" the industry promises. "TETRA is an added
nuisance," Mr Jarret commented.

For some it is more than a minor irritant. When a TETRA mast went live
just
a few hundred yards from Littlehamptom Primary School in Sussex in
2004,11
children were sent home with headaches and nosebleeds.

Originally from Ness in Lewis, Graham Morrison now stays in Partick,
Glasgow, and last week chaired a public meeting in the local baptist
church.
"It was the cheapest venue we could afford," he said.

There's nothing funny about his microwave symptoms, or those of around
50
fellow sufferers who stay in just two streets in Thornwood. "It started
about a year ago with headaches, tiredness and muscular pains," Mr
Morrison
added. "The doctors couldn't find anything wrong, but the problems
persisted. Then others came forward with the same symptoms."

According to Mr Morrison, all the Thornwood sufferers began reporting
microwave symptoms at the same time as two masts, 3G and TETRA, were
put up
in the area. "There are now 15 masts in the Partick area," he added.
"The
worst affected are those who live in the cross-lines between the 3G and
TETRA masts.

"People here are getting angry because they feel they are being
ignored.
Everyone wants to know why the authorities won't recognise what's going
on -
why are they covering this up?"

David Baron, who lives in Chichester, told me that five local police
officers had complained of similar symptoms when using TETRA handsets
there.
"They have been told not to go anywhere near the press because they
will
lose their jobs," he added.

Rural police users of TETRA, it seems, may have more to fear from the
technology than their urban counterparts. Home Office research
conducted by
the University of Birmingham in 2004 warned that PCs working night
shift in
rural areas should be given "special attention" as their usage of TETRA
equipment is likely to be heavier in comparison to city police forces,
where
staffing levels are higher.

These concerns were given added weight by a study conducted by Sweden's
University Hospital last year which found that the risk of developing a
brain tumour was six times higher among mobile phone users in rural
areas
than in cities. The reason stated by the authors was the greater
distance
between base stations in rural areas, and thus the higher power output
of
masts to achieve full coverage.

The University of Birmingham report, entitled "Airwave Patterns of Use
Study", also warns that microwave exposure levels for the general
public
could exceed official ICNIRP limits if a person's head were within a
"few
centimetres" of a police car's antenna. However, the report then goes on
to
state that no data on microwave emissions was forthcoming from the only
manufacturers of the car-mounted antennae chosen to take part in the
study,
Welsh firm Cleartone.

Other police health studies, such as the long-term project being
conducted
by Imperial College London, bemoan the difficulty in obtaining accurate
call-duration records from 02 so that exposure can be measured. The
latest
ICL study also found that linking an individual TETRA user's subscriber
number with a PC's collar ID was an "immediate concern" and far from
staightforward.

LOCHCARRON councillor Ewen Mackinnon, who has served on the Northern
Joint
Police Board for several years, acknowledged there did seem to be a
degree
of uncertainty with regard to the health effects of TETRA on both users
and
the public. However, the board's main concern had been the financial
implications of the new system, he said. Indeed, he told me last week
that
members were still awaiting clarification from the Scottish Executive
about
fully funding Airwave through Grant Aided Expenditure.

As the council tax accounts for 20 per cent Northern Constabulary's
total
budget, Mr Mackinnon wanted assurances that the cost of Airwave -the
jewel
in the crown of the force's Integrated Communications Development
Programme - would not be passed on to taxpayers. This, he said, was
especially significant in the Highlands and Islands as the basic TETRA
package cannot give full coverage over our mountainous terrain.

Northern Constabulary say that 98 per cent of the funding for ICDP has
come
from the executive in the GAE settlement.

Mr Mackinnon added: "Northern Constabulary had no option about taking
Airwave. The Scottish Executive forced them and said 'this is what's
going
to happen'."

This view is reinforced by a look at the minutes of the Northern Police
Board.

On 25th January 2002, the minutes noted: "A contract for central
procurement
had been offered to this force, among others, through a Consortium,
inviting
Forces to commit to its terms by 26th February 2002.

"The chief constable was currently seeking legal advice, sight of the
contract documents and advice from the Scottish Executive on the
financial
implications of the proposed contract before making a recommendation to
Members on the proposed procurement arrangement."

But at the next Board meeting on 11th April the deal was done and
dusted,
without members getting a look at the documents or getting to meet
Justice
Minister Jim Wallace - a move agreed at the meeting of 25th January.

Board members had been given one month to consider taking Airwave
before the
26th February deadline, but were given no contract information and no
costings on which to base their conclusions.

The minutes of 11th April make it clear that only the Chief Constable
had
access to any kind of detailed information in the interim, which
included a
meeting with the Scottish Executive.

Was he given no choice, as Mr Mackinnon maintained, but to accept TETRA
at
this meeting?

This leads on to another question: who is pushing TETRA so hard, and
why?

TO BE CONCLUDED



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Re: Article From Scottish Newspaper

Andrew McAfee
Way to stay in there, Chris.
Andrew
On Feb 26, 2006, at 7:28 PM, Chris wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Some of you will be aware of the difficulties we've been having  
> finding
> a
> home which isn't iradiated by mobile phone masts, and the new police
> radio
> system TETRA. Well I got a mention in an article in The West Highland
> Free
> Press, a respected newspaper which covers most of the west coast of
> Scotland.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris
>
> Article text:-
>
> Health controversy grows as spread of telecoms masts continues apace.
> West Highland Free Press Newspaper
> http://www.whfp.com/ <http://www.whfp.com/>
> Friday, 24th February, 2005.
>
> MICHAEL RUSSELL on the debate over the proliferation of the TETRA
> microwave
> communication system, due to go live in Skye and Lochalsh next week
>
> Chris Butterfield suffers from a rare condition called
> electro-sensitivity.
> Put simply, the Fife-based photographer is allergic to mobile phone
> technology, specifically the microwave signals which let the rest of
> us
> talk, text and cook.
>
> As allergies go, this is about as bad as it gets. Skin rashes,
> headaches,
> disorientation and nosebleeds are what 30-year-old Chris has to con
> tend
> with whenever he passes a base station mast, or when someone nearby by
> uses
> the latest whizzbang 3G phone. It all makes for a very un comfortable
> and
> difficult life. A trip to the shops or a walk in the country can
> suddenly
> turn into a very painful experience.
>
> Naturally his mother, Liz, wants to help. Last month she visited the
> offices
> of the Free Press to place an advert seeking accommodation on Skye.
> "There
> are wide open spaces in the Highlands where there are no masts," she
> explained. "Chris is looking for somewhere he can live without being
> afraid
> to go for a drive or a walk."
>
> Fife to Skye is a long drive, es pecially for someone who herself
> suffers
> from ME. Evidently a son's health is more important than a mother's
> discomfort. She spent a few days house-hunting, placed the advert,
> then
> went
> back to Leven to wait for the good news.
>
> What she got, however, was bad news. Now she and Chris will be staying
> put,
> at least for the time being. The Highlands and Islands, it transpires,
> are
> no longer the safe haven sought by mother and son. They know what to
> blame
> for that.
>
> As of this month, Northern Constabulary started switching on its new
> "Airwave" system of microwave communication, promising police officers
> unprecedented access to data, encrypted security and inter-force
> capability.
>
> Activating a vast network of Airwave antennae across Northern
> Constabulary's
> eight area commands means a lot more masts, and a lot more radiation,
> for
> people like Chris Butterfield to dodge. The roll-out started in
> Lochaber at
> the beginning of this month, and is due to end when Skye and Lochalsh
> "goes
> live" next week.
>
> According to Northern Constabulary, the whole Integrated  
> Communiciation
> Development Programme - of which Airwave is the central element - has
> cost
> £4.5 million. Nationally, almost £3 billion of taxpayers' money
> has been
> spent to date on putting the basic Airwave system in place, so the
> Government is expecting big things from it. The rush to complete the
> national roll-out as soon as possible was driven by Gordon Brown's
> decision
> four years ago to sell all the police frequencies to an expectant
> mobile
> phone industry desperate to recoup the huge amounts spent on 3G
> technology.
> But many global players, both commercial and military, also want
> Airwave up
> and running because of its own intrinsic value.
>
> Already various upgrades and add-ons, many with future military
> applications, are coming on the market. American telecoms giant
> Motorola -
> which dominates the UK Airwave market - launched the next generation
> of
> masts just three months ago. Arms giants Thales, EADS and Northrop
> Grumman
> also offer Airwave products and services. Inevitably, the cost is
> bound
> to
> increase over the course of the 15-year contract. This is a
> world-first,
> after all.
>
> Over the last five years around 3,500 Airwave antennae, most of them
> site-sharing with other operators and thus free from the usual
> planning
> constraints, have been put up nationwide. Northern Constabulary Chief
> Constable Ian Latimer initially said the force needed 287 Airwave
> sites
> to
> cover the Highlands and Islands. That figure now stands at 150,
> raising
> concerns about how full coverage can be achieved with fewer masts. All
> the
> UK's 51 police forces are committed to Airwave, and this makes
> thousands of
> electro-sensitives like Chris nervous. They are not alone.
>
> Since the system was piloted in Lancashire in 2000, there has been a
> steady
> stream of complaints from both users (police officers) and communities
> near
> to transmitters. Violent reactions like those experienced by Chris
> Butterfield have occurred in people not known as electrosensitive.
> What
> is
> it about Airwave that might affect ordinary people in this way? And
> are
> its
> effects being ignored - or worse, covered up - by the industry?
>
> The health controversy centres on two aspects of the system - the
> alleged
> pulsing of the microwave signals from Airwave police handsets
>
> and base stations, and the fact that base station transmitters are on
> full
> power 24/7. Ordinary mobile phone masts, by contrast, respond to
> demand,
> adjusting their power output accordingly.
>
> Airwave is the light and fluffy brand name chosen for this technology
> by
> mobile company 02, which was formerly part of BT. The system is more
> accurately known as TErrestrial Trunked RAdio - TETRA.
>
> During the Lancashire pilot study, 177 police officers complained of
> the
> same symptoms described by Chris Butterfield. Behavioural and
> emotional
> changes were also noted. Such was the concern within the police
> service
> at
> the time that the Police Federation commissioned
>
> Government microwave expert Barrie Trower to investigate the
> technology. His
> findings were shocking.
>
> "Since the system was piloted in Lancashire in 2000, there has been a
> steady
> stream of complaints from users and from
> communities near to transmitters"
>
> Microwaves from the UK's 40,000 mobile phone masts are bad news.
> Pulsed
> microwaves from TETRA are even worse. Mr Trower said both interfere
> with the
> electrical processes within the body and, depending on their
> frequency,
> can
> produce very specific effects and will even degrade immune systems in
> the
> long term. The 17.6 Hz frequency used by TETRA is especially
> significant:
> that is slap bang in the middle of the 15-20 Hz range which
> characterises
> the brain's electrical activity when engaged in complex mental tasks.
> Referred to in neuroscience as Beta Waves, this frequency range is
> also
> evident during the dream-state of sleep, which sufferers say is
> disrupted
> because of TETRA. Strobe lights are banned from flashing at this rate
> for
> this very reason, in case they induce an epileptic fit.
>
> When he was head of the Independent Expert Group on Mobile Phones, Sir
> William Stewart, now chairman of the Health
>
> Protection Agency and formerly chairman of the National Radiological
> Protection Board, warned in 2000 that this frequency should be
> avoided.
> The
> Group noted that there "is now scientific evidence which suggests that
> there
> may be biological effects" occurring at exposure levels below official
> limits for microwaves from mobile phone (known in the industry as GSM)
> technology. Children under eight, said Sir William, should never use a
> mobile phone at all as they have thinner skulls than adults and their
> nervous systems are still developing.
>
> As a result of the IEGMP's findings, microwave emissions from mobile
> phone
> masts and TETRA transmitters now have to stick to stringent
> international
> limits, which came into force in the UK in 2004. In an effort to allay
> public fears, the NRPB told the telecoms regulator OFCOM in 2004 to
> put
> all
> emissions data from GSM and TETRA base stations on their website. So
> far,
> only four masts in Scotland have been listed on Of corn's Sitefinder
> facility. None of the four is north of Falkirk, and no TETRA masts are
> included.
>
> OFCOM spokesman Simon Bates told me that the Home Office had prevented
> the
> publication of any TETRA readings on security grounds. Verifying
> industry
> claims that TETRA complies with official microwave limits is therefore
> impossible.
>
> But crucially for Mr Trower, and a growing body of expert opinion,
> those
> offical limits - enforced by the International Commission on
> Non-Ionising
> Radiation Protection - are badly flawed because they only cover the
> body
> heating effects of the radiation.
>
> Since the Stewart Report of 2000, IEGMP consultees Dr Gerald Hyland
> and
> Dr
> Roger Coghill have published several papers which suggest, in common
> with Mr
> Trower, that key frequencies emitted by TETRA and mobile phone masts
> produce
> specific effects for entirely different reasons.
>
> In a paper prepared for the European Parliament, Dr Hyland wrote:
> "Unlike
> the heating effect exposure to microwaves which can, if excessive,
> cause
> actual material damage, non-thermal influences act in a more subtle
> way, via
> their potentiality to interfere with biological functionality - in
> particular, it would appear, with bioprocesses which are intended to
> afford
> (natural) protection against adverse health effects of various kinds."
>
> The industry, including its paid reseachers and political advocates,
> is
> unmoved. Recognising non-thermal effects, despite Sir William  
> Stewart's
> admission, is still some way off. In fact, the official line is that
> TETRA
> signals from base stations do not pulse.
>
> This assertion, say the Scottish Green Party, is a "hair-splitting"
> argument
> which averages out the signal over a set time period. Messrs Trower,
> Hyland
> and Coghill say the same. However, 02 do admit that the police
> handsets
> and
> car-mounted antennae do pulse. Makers of rival system TETRAPOL, which
> is
> used by the emergency services across Europe, say that UK TETRA base
> stations do pulse, though you might expect the competition to say
> that.
>
> SEEKING some kind of clarity, I spoke to a man who should be able to
> give a
> definitive answer to the pulsing question.
>
> Dr Michael Clark is a leading radiation expert who works for the
> Health
> Protection Agency, the body which absorbed Sir William Stewart's NRPB
> in
> April of last year. The HP A acknowledge that TETRA is different from
> other
> microwave technologies. But how different? Does it pulse?
>
> According to Dr Clark, any electrical signal has to drop to zero to
> qualify
> as pulsed. "That is the offical definition that has been recognised
> for
> 30
> years," he explained. "However, the TETRA signal does rise and fall at
> specific frequencies."
>
> Could this rising and falling produce a biological effect? "That
> cannot
> be
> ruled out," he replied.
>
> Dr Clark also acknowledged that all the current research being
> conducted by
> the Home Office was focused on the handsets and car-mounted antennae
> used by
> police officers. Not a single health study has been conducted on
> communities
> near any of the 3,500 TETRA sites in the UK. "We do need more research
> in
> this area," Dr Clark observed.
>
> Such a move would certainly be welcomed by concerned residents across
> the
> UK. Groups from as far afield as Bognor Regis and Perthshire have
> reported
> the same symptoms as those felt by Chris Butterfield. And very few of
> them
> qualify as electro-sensitives.
>
> Arthur Jarrett, an anti-TETRA activist from Wormit in Fife - where
> councillors refused 02 planning permission for a TETRA mast last year
> -
> said
> more and more ordinary people were reporting microwave symptoms  
> because
> the
> technology had changed so rapidly in such a short space of time. The
> proliferation of masts and phones (the latter increasing in number
> tenfold
> in the UK between 1995 and 2005) and the advent of 3G meant, he said,
> that
> power outputs had increased considerably to give full coverage and to
> "do
> all the wonderful things" the industry promises. "TETRA is an added
> nuisance," Mr Jarret commented.
>
> For some it is more than a minor irritant. When a TETRA mast went live
> just
> a few hundred yards from Littlehamptom Primary School in Sussex in
> 2004,11
> children were sent home with headaches and nosebleeds.
>
> Originally from Ness in Lewis, Graham Morrison now stays in Partick,
> Glasgow, and last week chaired a public meeting in the local baptist
> church.
> "It was the cheapest venue we could afford," he said.
>
> There's nothing funny about his microwave symptoms, or those of around
> 50
> fellow sufferers who stay in just two streets in Thornwood. "It
> started
> about a year ago with headaches, tiredness and muscular pains," Mr
> Morrison
> added. "The doctors couldn't find anything wrong, but the problems
> persisted. Then others came forward with the same symptoms."
>
> According to Mr Morrison, all the Thornwood sufferers began reporting
> microwave symptoms at the same time as two masts, 3G and TETRA, were
> put up
> in the area. "There are now 15 masts in the Partick area," he added.
> "The
> worst affected are those who live in the cross-lines between the 3G
> and
> TETRA masts.
>
> "People here are getting angry because they feel they are being
> ignored.
> Everyone wants to know why the authorities won't recognise what's
> going
> on -
> why are they covering this up?"
>
> David Baron, who lives in Chichester, told me that five local police
> officers had complained of similar symptoms when using TETRA handsets
> there.
> "They have been told not to go anywhere near the press because they
> will
> lose their jobs," he added.
>
> Rural police users of TETRA, it seems, may have more to fear from the
> technology than their urban counterparts. Home Office research
> conducted by
> the University of Birmingham in 2004 warned that PCs working night
> shift in
> rural areas should be given "special attention" as their usage of
> TETRA
> equipment is likely to be heavier in comparison to city police forces,
> where
> staffing levels are higher.
>
> These concerns were given added weight by a study conducted by
> Sweden's
> University Hospital last year which found that the risk of developing
> a
> brain tumour was six times higher among mobile phone users in rural
> areas
> than in cities. The reason stated by the authors was the greater
> distance
> between base stations in rural areas, and thus the higher power output
> of
> masts to achieve full coverage.
>
> The University of Birmingham report, entitled "Airwave Patterns of Use
> Study", also warns that microwave exposure levels for the general
> public
> could exceed official ICNIRP limits if a person's head were within a
> "few
> centimetres" of a police car's antenna. However, the report then goes
> on
> to
> state that no data on microwave emissions was forthcoming from the  
> only
> manufacturers of the car-mounted antennae chosen to take part in the
> study,
> Welsh firm Cleartone.
>
> Other police health studies, such as the long-term project being
> conducted
> by Imperial College London, bemoan the difficulty in obtaining
> accurate
> call-duration records from 02 so that exposure can be measured. The
> latest
> ICL study also found that linking an individual TETRA user's
> subscriber
> number with a PC's collar ID was an "immediate concern" and far from
> staightforward.
>
> LOCHCARRON councillor Ewen Mackinnon, who has served on the Northern
> Joint
> Police Board for several years, acknowledged there did seem to be a
> degree
> of uncertainty with regard to the health effects of TETRA on both
> users
> and
> the public. However, the board's main concern had been the financial
> implications of the new system, he said. Indeed, he told me last week
> that
> members were still awaiting clarification from the Scottish Executive
> about
> fully funding Airwave through Grant Aided Expenditure.
>
> As the council tax accounts for 20 per cent Northern Constabulary's
> total
> budget, Mr Mackinnon wanted assurances that the cost of Airwave -the
> jewel
> in the crown of the force's Integrated Communications Development
> Programme - would not be passed on to taxpayers. This, he said, was
> especially significant in the Highlands and Islands as the basic TETRA
> package cannot give full coverage over our mountainous terrain.
>
> Northern Constabulary say that 98 per cent of the funding for ICDP has
> come
> from the executive in the GAE settlement.
>
> Mr Mackinnon added: "Northern Constabulary had no option about taking
> Airwave. The Scottish Executive forced them and said 'this is what's
> going
> to happen'."
>
> This view is reinforced by a look at the minutes of the Northern
> Police
> Board.
>
> On 25th January 2002, the minutes noted: "A contract for central
> procurement
> had been offered to this force, among others, through a Consortium,
> inviting
> Forces to commit to its terms by 26th February 2002.
>
> "The chief constable was currently seeking legal advice, sight of the
> contract documents and advice from the Scottish Executive on the
> financial
> implications of the proposed contract before making a recommendation
> to
> Members on the proposed procurement arrangement."
>
> But at the next Board meeting on 11th April the deal was done and
> dusted,
> without members getting a look at the documents or getting to meet
> Justice
> Minister Jim Wallace - a move agreed at the meeting of 25th January.
>
> Board members had been given one month to consider taking Airwave
> before the
> 26th February deadline, but were given no contract information and no
> costings on which to base their conclusions.
>
> The minutes of 11th April make it clear that only the Chief Constable
> had
> access to any kind of detailed information in the interim, which
> included a
> meeting with the Scottish Executive.
>
> Was he given no choice, as Mr Mackinnon maintained, but to accept
> TETRA
> at
> this meeting?
>
> This leads on to another question: who is pushing TETRA so hard, and
> why?
>
> TO BE CONCLUDED
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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snoshoe_2
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They did a good job for a newspaper, from my own experience.
It's too bad they still consider it rare, since it's not anymore.
Do post the follow up story if they do it, and you're able.

~ Snoshoe
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>
> Dear All,
>
> Some of you will be aware of the difficulties we've been having  
finding

> a
> home which isn't iradiated by mobile phone masts, and the new police
> radio
> system TETRA. Well I got a mention in an article in The West Highland
> Free
> Press, a respected newspaper which covers most of the west coast of
> Scotland.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris

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Ian Kemp
Well, surely it ES still rare, in the severe form that many (most?) of the
people in this group have. Otherwise I am sure that there would be a little
more awareness of it and support groups would be bigger! Around here in the
UK my best estimate is between 1 in 1000 and 1 in 10000 people, because we
have found only a handful of other sufferers locally, and some hundreds or
thousands nationally out of a population of 60 million. Both Sue and I felt
very isolated and out on a limb until we went to Breakspear Hospital and
found there were other people like her.

That being said, I think that current sufferers are the early warning signs
- the tip of a huge future iceberg.

The proportion in Sweden is considerably higher - several thousand in their
FEB group from a population of a few million, with Government recognition of
the effect and that the actual number of sufferers is far higher. But many
of them are simply reporting facial and skin effects, much of which can be
attributed to heavy VDU use over the years. This is much less socially
affecting than the more severe types of ES. This distinction is drawn quite
well by the UK Health Protection Agency report, which recognises the "major
social consequences" of this more general/severe type.

Ian

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They did a good job for a newspaper, from my own experience.
It's too bad they still consider it rare, since it's not anymore.
Do post the follow up story if they do it, and you're able.

~ Snoshoe
--- In [hidden email], "Chris" <avbook@...> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> Some of you will be aware of the difficulties we've been having
finding

> a
> home which isn't iradiated by mobile phone masts, and the new police
> radio
> system TETRA. Well I got a mention in an article in The West Highland
> Free
> Press, a respected newspaper which covers most of the west coast of
> Scotland.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris








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Hi, Ian,

Ah, but how many people have problems without knowing??? I certainly did. If it had not been for joining this group, I would have had no idea that I was reacting to my DECT phone. I assumed it was safe, even tho I knew the cells were not. Now I know I react to particular frequencies when I am on the road in my car, as well. Never knew why I got headaches so often in my car (thought it was chemical sensitivity I was reacting to).

Diane

Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
Well, surely it ES still rare, in the severe form that many (most?) of the
people in this group have. Otherwise I am sure that there would be a little
more awareness of it and support groups would be bigger! Around here in the
UK my best estimate is between 1 in 1000 and 1 in 10000 people, because we
have found only a handful of other sufferers locally, and some hundreds or
thousands nationally out of a population of 60 million. Both Sue and I felt
very isolated and out on a limb until we went to Breakspear Hospital and
found there were other people like her.

That being said, I think that current sufferers are the early warning signs
- the tip of a huge future iceberg.

The proportion in Sweden is considerably higher - several thousand in their
FEB group from a population of a few million, with Government recognition of
the effect and that the actual number of sufferers is far higher. But many
of them are simply reporting facial and skin effects, much of which can be
attributed to heavy VDU use over the years. This is much less socially
affecting than the more severe types of ES. This distinction is drawn quite
well by the UK Health Protection Agency report, which recognises the "major
social consequences" of this more general/severe type.

Ian

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Sent: 28 February 2006 06:00
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Subject: [eSens] Re: Article From Scottish Newspaper


They did a good job for a newspaper, from my own experience.
It's too bad they still consider it rare, since it's not anymore.
Do post the follow up story if they do it, and you're able.

~ Snoshoe
--- In [hidden email], "Chris" <avbook@...> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> Some of you will be aware of the difficulties we've been having
finding

> a
> home which isn't iradiated by mobile phone masts, and the new police
> radio
> system TETRA. Well I got a mention in an article in The West Highland
> Free
> Press, a respected newspaper which covers most of the west coast of
> Scotland.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris








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Hello Ian,

I see it different.

I do many house investigations as a building biologist, and are in a
position to see what is going on, and can measure at the same time.
Aside to that, I get many telephone calls and e-mails from people who seek
my advice.

My estimate is 10 % of the population.
The Austrian epidemiologist dr. Gerd Oberfeld comes to 19 %.
Many German physicians speak about 25 % of their patients suffer from
elektrosmog.
In Germany there are many *environmental physicians

The reason why we do not have enough and valuable statistics, remains in the
fact that so many physicians do not want to know about elektrosmog, and
therefore many people with serious elektrosensibility symptoms are not
recognised as such. And thus not accounted for.
The medical world is our greatest enemy.

Certainly in the Netherlands it is the case, and I assume in the UK also.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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From: "Ian Kemp" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 19:22
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Article From Scottish Newspaper


> Well, surely it ES still rare, in the severe form that many (most?) of the
> people in this group have. Otherwise I am sure that there would be a
> little
> more awareness of it and support groups would be bigger! Around here in
> the
> UK my best estimate is between 1 in 1000 and 1 in 10000 people, because we
> have found only a handful of other sufferers locally, and some hundreds or
> thousands nationally out of a population of 60 million. Both Sue and I
> felt
> very isolated and out on a limb until we went to Breakspear Hospital and
> found there were other people like her.
>
> That being said, I think that current sufferers are the early warning
> signs
> - the tip of a huge future iceberg.
>
> The proportion in Sweden is considerably higher - several thousand in
> their
> FEB group from a population of a few million, with Government recognition
> of
> the effect and that the actual number of sufferers is far higher. But
> many
> of them are simply reporting facial and skin effects, much of which can be
> attributed to heavy VDU use over the years. This is much less socially
> affecting than the more severe types of ES. This distinction is drawn
> quite
> well by the UK Health Protection Agency report, which recognises the
> "major
> social consequences" of this more general/severe type.
>
> Ian
>

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Ian Kemp
Hello Charles and Diane

Sure, lots of people will have these problems without realising it, so the
frequency will be higher than the level of those who report it. The
question is how much higher? That's what I'm trying to guess.

The best I can say is that we have a very wide circle of friends,
acquaintances and relatives, running to several hundred. None of them show
the severe ES symptoms that Sue has. One or two have noticed effects which
could well be linked to mild ES. The reaction of the remainder varies from
sympathy and support to, in some cases, total disbelief. But since they
know what we are going through, we are quite sure that they would have come
forward if anything had "rung a bell", either with them or recognising it
among their friends. So this suggests to me that we are talking of the
order of 1% with any noticeable effects, and much fewer with severe ones -
at the moment.

On the other hand, we have met a good proportion of people at Breakspear
Hospital who have ES or MCS symptoms. But this is a very self-selecting
group, in that they are people who have illnesses severe enough to drive
them to find a private hospital and spend considerable sums on treatment.
Likewise it may be that the people who are interested enough to contact you,
Charles, are the ones who are actually experiencing something. And only a
small proportion of people regularly consult their doctors - only when they
are ill.

Therefore it seems to me that figures of 10% to 20% are rather high, unless
we are talking about some very vague reaction to electrosmog which is at a
very low level. Something that has been pointed out in the UK, when a group
of ES suffers and supporters met recently, is that we need better
definitions of ES, and particularly the different levels experienced. Maybe
3 broad levels:

1. Mild symptoms, usually not noticed or explained away as something else,
not debilitating, often leading to no change in lifestyle.
2. Medium symptoms, noticeable and irritating such as skin rash, requiring
reduction of regular exposure to electric fields, mobile phones, TV's etc.
3. Severe symptoms, giving major and painful reactions to many sources which
are highly disruptive to lifestyle, e.g. inability to travel in modern cars,
requiring avoidance of all electrosmog, needing to turn electric power off
at night to sleep, bad reactions to fluorescent lights and mobile/cordless
phones. Also often accompanied by sensitivity to chemicals, light and
sound.

I would be prepared to believe 10-20% of type 1, maybe even type 2 (though I
don't think even FEB in Sweden has that high a proportion of members - about
0.1% of the population). But no way is type 3 anything more than very rare
in the UK at present, and I suspect elsewhere in the world. The disruption
to lifestyle is so great that it is highly noticeable in people experiencing
it. Sue wears dark glasses and a hat in shops and sitting in the back of
our specially procured 16-year-old car, and has to run away from people who
turn on mobile phones. We can see hundreds and thousands of people around
us locally who do not have to do this, and nobody else who does! Common
sense shows that this is not a conspiracy or cover-up; it is a very small
proportion of the population at the moment, such that the few people who do
have Level 3 get major newspaper articles written about them because most
people see it as so remarkable.

Ian

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Hello Ian,

I see it different.

I do many house investigations as a building biologist, and are in a
position to see what is going on, and can measure at the same time.
Aside to that, I get many telephone calls and e-mails from people who seek
my advice.

My estimate is 10 % of the population.
The Austrian epidemiologist dr. Gerd Oberfeld comes to 19 %.
Many German physicians speak about 25 % of their patients suffer from
elektrosmog.
In Germany there are many *environmental physicians

The reason why we do not have enough and valuable statistics, remains in the

fact that so many physicians do not want to know about elektrosmog, and
therefore many people with serious elektrosensibility symptoms are not
recognised as such. And thus not accounted for.
The medical world is our greatest enemy.

Certainly in the Netherlands it is the case, and I assume in the UK also.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus



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From: "Ian Kemp" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 19:22
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Article From Scottish Newspaper


> Well, surely it ES still rare, in the severe form that many (most?) of the
> people in this group have. Otherwise I am sure that there would be a
> little
> more awareness of it and support groups would be bigger! Around here in
> the
> UK my best estimate is between 1 in 1000 and 1 in 10000 people, because we
> have found only a handful of other sufferers locally, and some hundreds or
> thousands nationally out of a population of 60 million. Both Sue and I
> felt
> very isolated and out on a limb until we went to Breakspear Hospital and
> found there were other people like her.
>
> That being said, I think that current sufferers are the early warning
> signs
> - the tip of a huge future iceberg.
>
> The proportion in Sweden is considerably higher - several thousand in
> their
> FEB group from a population of a few million, with Government recognition
> of
> the effect and that the actual number of sufferers is far higher. But
> many
> of them are simply reporting facial and skin effects, much of which can be
> attributed to heavy VDU use over the years. This is much less socially
> affecting than the more severe types of ES. This distinction is drawn
> quite
> well by the UK Health Protection Agency report, which recognises the
> "major
> social consequences" of this more general/severe type.
>
> Ian
>





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Hi again, Ian,

I see what you are saying regarding your acquaintances not showing signs. I believe, too, that only those who are otherwise ill are probably going to experience the really severe symptoms. But I do think, as the blanketing of whole cities with Wimax and Wifi continue, that there will in time be ALOT more people having problems. I feel that we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg with what is possible with these systems. And, too, all of this adds up. Look at how much has changed in just the last 20 years!

My best to you and Sue,
Diane
Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello Charles and Diane

Sure, lots of people will have these problems without realising it, so the
frequency will be higher than the level of those who report it. The
question is how much higher? That's what I'm trying to guess.

The best I can say is that we have a very wide circle of friends,
acquaintances and relatives, running to several hundred. None of them show
the severe ES symptoms that Sue has. One or two have noticed effects which
could well be linked to mild ES. The reaction of the remainder varies from
sympathy and support to, in some cases, total disbelief. But since they
know what we are going through, we are quite sure that they would have come
forward if anything had "rung a bell", either with them or recognising it
among their friends. So this suggests to me that we are talking of the
order of 1% with any noticeable effects, and much fewer with severe ones -
at the moment.

On the other hand, we have met a good proportion of people at Breakspear
Hospital who have ES or MCS symptoms. But this is a very self-selecting
group, in that they are people who have illnesses severe enough to drive
them to find a private hospital and spend considerable sums on treatment.
Likewise it may be that the people who are interested enough to contact you,
Charles, are the ones who are actually experiencing something. And only a
small proportion of people regularly consult their doctors - only when they
are ill.

Therefore it seems to me that figures of 10% to 20% are rather high, unless
we are talking about some very vague reaction to electrosmog which is at a
very low level. Something that has been pointed out in the UK, when a group
of ES suffers and supporters met recently, is that we need better
definitions of ES, and particularly the different levels experienced. Maybe
3 broad levels:

1. Mild symptoms, usually not noticed or explained away as something else,
not debilitating, often leading to no change in lifestyle.
2. Medium symptoms, noticeable and irritating such as skin rash, requiring
reduction of regular exposure to electric fields, mobile phones, TV's etc.
3. Severe symptoms, giving major and painful reactions to many sources which
are highly disruptive to lifestyle, e.g. inability to travel in modern cars,
requiring avoidance of all electrosmog, needing to turn electric power off
at night to sleep, bad reactions to fluorescent lights and mobile/cordless
phones. Also often accompanied by sensitivity to chemicals, light and
sound.

I would be prepared to believe 10-20% of type 1, maybe even type 2 (though I
don't think even FEB in Sweden has that high a proportion of members - about
0.1% of the population). But no way is type 3 anything more than very rare
in the UK at present, and I suspect elsewhere in the world. The disruption
to lifestyle is so great that it is highly noticeable in people experiencing
it. Sue wears dark glasses and a hat in shops and sitting in the back of
our specially procured 16-year-old car, and has to run away from people who
turn on mobile phones. We can see hundreds and thousands of people around
us locally who do not have to do this, and nobody else who does! Common
sense shows that this is not a conspiracy or cover-up; it is a very small
proportion of the population at the moment, such that the few people who do
have Level 3 get major newspaper articles written about them because most
people see it as so remarkable.

Ian

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Hello Ian,

I see it different.

I do many house investigations as a building biologist, and are in a
position to see what is going on, and can measure at the same time.
Aside to that, I get many telephone calls and e-mails from people who seek
my advice.

My estimate is 10 % of the population.
The Austrian epidemiologist dr. Gerd Oberfeld comes to 19 %.
Many German physicians speak about 25 % of their patients suffer from
elektrosmog.
In Germany there are many *environmental physicians

The reason why we do not have enough and valuable statistics, remains in the

fact that so many physicians do not want to know about elektrosmog, and
therefore many people with serious elektrosensibility symptoms are not
recognised as such. And thus not accounted for.
The medical world is our greatest enemy.

Certainly in the Netherlands it is the case, and I assume in the UK also.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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> Well, surely it ES still rare, in the severe form that many (most?) of the
> people in this group have. Otherwise I am sure that there would be a
> little
> more awareness of it and support groups would be bigger! Around here in
> the
> UK my best estimate is between 1 in 1000 and 1 in 10000 people, because we
> have found only a handful of other sufferers locally, and some hundreds or
> thousands nationally out of a population of 60 million. Both Sue and I
> felt
> very isolated and out on a limb until we went to Breakspear Hospital and
> found there were other people like her.
>
> That being said, I think that current sufferers are the early warning
> signs
> - the tip of a huge future iceberg.
>
> The proportion in Sweden is considerably higher - several thousand in
> their
> FEB group from a population of a few million, with Government recognition
> of
> the effect and that the actual number of sufferers is far higher. But
> many
> of them are simply reporting facial and skin effects, much of which can be
> attributed to heavy VDU use over the years. This is much less socially
> affecting than the more severe types of ES. This distinction is drawn
> quite
> well by the UK Health Protection Agency report, which recognises the
> "major
> social consequences" of this more general/severe type.
>
> Ian
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Hi Diane,

Yes, I agree entirely that as Wifi and Wimax grow, far more people could
start to experience the symptoms, including the severe form. And that
current sufferers could be the "canaries in the mines" who act as a warning
for everyone else - if the warning is recognised. This is why I feel
personally committed to spreading awareness of this among the public, in a
way that is factual, accessible and credible, even though I am "Level 0" on
symptoms! I don't want to see any more people end up like Sue, or others on
this group - still less become an international epidemic. Which it could.

The particularly worrying thing for me was that, until a couple of months
back, all the people I had met or heard of with severe "Level 3" ES symptoms
had experienced ME/CFS or MCS first. Which meant that severe ES might be
confined to a modest number of people whose immune systems were compromised.
But now I have met or heard of people with severe ES who have never had ME
or MCS, but were pioneer mobile phone users. This gives the potential for,
in particular, children and young people who are heavy mobile phone users
today (i.e. most of them!!) to develop severe symptoms in 10-20 years, maybe
less. We all hope this would not happen, but it has got to be a strong
possibility.

Maybe (to use another Biblical parallel) we can see ourselves as the
watchmen on the watchtower, warning the city of approaching danger. To
everyone involved in doing this I say - keep up the good work!

Ian

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Hi again, Ian,

I see what you are saying regarding your acquaintances not showing signs.
I believe, too, that only those who are otherwise ill are probably going to
experience the really severe symptoms. But I do think, as the blanketing of
whole cities with Wimax and Wifi continue, that there will in time be ALOT
more people having problems. I feel that we are just seeing the tip of the
iceberg with what is possible with these systems. And, too, all of this
adds up. Look at how much has changed in just the last 20 years!

My best to you and Sue,
Diane
Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello Charles and Diane

Sure, lots of people will have these problems without realising it, so the
frequency will be higher than the level of those who report it. The
question is how much higher? That's what I'm trying to guess.

The best I can say is that we have a very wide circle of friends,
acquaintances and relatives, running to several hundred. None of them show
the severe ES symptoms that Sue has. One or two have noticed effects which
could well be linked to mild ES. The reaction of the remainder varies from
sympathy and support to, in some cases, total disbelief. But since they
know what we are going through, we are quite sure that they would have come
forward if anything had "rung a bell", either with them or recognising it
among their friends. So this suggests to me that we are talking of the
order of 1% with any noticeable effects, and much fewer with severe ones -
at the moment.

On the other hand, we have met a good proportion of people at Breakspear
Hospital who have ES or MCS symptoms. But this is a very self-selecting
group, in that they are people who have illnesses severe enough to drive
them to find a private hospital and spend considerable sums on treatment.
Likewise it may be that the people who are interested enough to contact you,
Charles, are the ones who are actually experiencing something. And only a
small proportion of people regularly consult their doctors - only when they
are ill.

Therefore it seems to me that figures of 10% to 20% are rather high, unless
we are talking about some very vague reaction to electrosmog which is at a
very low level. Something that has been pointed out in the UK, when a group
of ES suffers and supporters met recently, is that we need better
definitions of ES, and particularly the different levels experienced. Maybe
3 broad levels:

1. Mild symptoms, usually not noticed or explained away as something else,
not debilitating, often leading to no change in lifestyle.
2. Medium symptoms, noticeable and irritating such as skin rash, requiring
reduction of regular exposure to electric fields, mobile phones, TV's etc.
3. Severe symptoms, giving major and painful reactions to many sources which
are highly disruptive to lifestyle, e.g. inability to travel in modern cars,
requiring avoidance of all electrosmog, needing to turn electric power off
at night to sleep, bad reactions to fluorescent lights and mobile/cordless
phones. Also often accompanied by sensitivity to chemicals, light and
sound.

I would be prepared to believe 10-20% of type 1, maybe even type 2 (though I
don't think even FEB in Sweden has that high a proportion of members - about
0.1% of the population). But no way is type 3 anything more than very rare
in the UK at present, and I suspect elsewhere in the world. The disruption
to lifestyle is so great that it is highly noticeable in people experiencing
it. Sue wears dark glasses and a hat in shops and sitting in the back of
our specially procured 16-year-old car, and has to run away from people who
turn on mobile phones. We can see hundreds and thousands of people around
us locally who do not have to do this, and nobody else who does! Common
sense shows that this is not a conspiracy or cover-up; it is a very small
proportion of the population at the moment, such that the few people who do
have Level 3 get major newspaper articles written about them because most
people see it as so remarkable.

Ian

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Hello Ian,

I see it different.

I do many house investigations as a building biologist, and are in a
position to see what is going on, and can measure at the same time.
Aside to that, I get many telephone calls and e-mails from people who seek
my advice.

My estimate is 10 % of the population.
The Austrian epidemiologist dr. Gerd Oberfeld comes to 19 %.
Many German physicians speak about 25 % of their patients suffer from
elektrosmog.
In Germany there are many *environmental physicians

The reason why we do not have enough and valuable statistics, remains in the

fact that so many physicians do not want to know about elektrosmog, and
therefore many people with serious elektrosensibility symptoms are not
recognised as such. And thus not accounted for.
The medical world is our greatest enemy.

Certainly in the Netherlands it is the case, and I assume in the UK also.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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> Well, surely it ES still rare, in the severe form that many (most?) of the
> people in this group have. Otherwise I am sure that there would be a
> little
> more awareness of it and support groups would be bigger! Around here in
> the
> UK my best estimate is between 1 in 1000 and 1 in 10000 people, because we
> have found only a handful of other sufferers locally, and some hundreds or
> thousands nationally out of a population of 60 million. Both Sue and I
> felt
> very isolated and out on a limb until we went to Breakspear Hospital and
> found there were other people like her.
>
> That being said, I think that current sufferers are the early warning
> signs
> - the tip of a huge future iceberg.
>
> The proportion in Sweden is considerably higher - several thousand in
> their
> FEB group from a population of a few million, with Government recognition
> of
> the effect and that the actual number of sufferers is far higher. But
> many
> of them are simply reporting facial and skin effects, much of which can be
> attributed to heavy VDU use over the years. This is much less socially
> affecting than the more severe types of ES. This distinction is drawn
> quite
> well by the UK Health Protection Agency report, which recognises the
> "major
> social consequences" of this more general/severe type.
>
> Ian
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Re: Article From Scottish Newspaper - How many people have ES?

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hi ian,

i think you raise some extremely interesting points about ES. I keep
asking myself what the heck ES actually IS, and why some ppl say they
have it and others not. My parents live opposite a powerful mast,
yet no one in their street is concerned about it despite the fact
that the guy next door has had melanoma removed, three women have
crippling arthritis, (one of whose young daughter now also has
developed serious spine problems). These are ppl whose bodies are
without doubt (in my mind) suffering the effects of strong EMR
exposure yet they don't FEEL it in the way that we do.

So then i think, well maybe its that ES ppl are so weak generally and
thats why we notice. So then I look to all those with M.E. and their
considerably compromised immune systems. Yet ES is virtually unknown
in M.E. circles.

so what the heck is ES, and why do only certain ppl FEEL it as ES?

jane
--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Charles and Diane
>  
> Sure, lots of people will have these problems without realising it,
so the
> frequency will be higher than the level of those who report it. The
> question is how much higher? That's what I'm trying to guess.
>  
> The best I can say is that we have a very wide circle of friends,
> acquaintances and relatives, running to several hundred. None of
them show
> the severe ES symptoms that Sue has. One or two have noticed
effects which
> could well be linked to mild ES. The reaction of the remainder
varies from
> sympathy and support to, in some cases, total disbelief. But since
they
> know what we are going through, we are quite sure that they would
have come
> forward if anything had "rung a bell", either with them or
recognising it
> among their friends. So this suggests to me that we are talking of
the
> order of 1% with any noticeable effects, and much fewer with severe
ones -
> at the moment.
>  
> On the other hand, we have met a good proportion of people at
Breakspear
> Hospital who have ES or MCS symptoms. But this is a very self-
selecting
> group, in that they are people who have illnesses severe enough to
drive
> them to find a private hospital and spend considerable sums on
treatment.
> Likewise it may be that the people who are interested enough to
contact you,
> Charles, are the ones who are actually experiencing something. And
only a
> small proportion of people regularly consult their doctors - only
when they
> are ill.
>  
> Therefore it seems to me that figures of 10% to 20% are rather
high, unless
> we are talking about some very vague reaction to electrosmog which
is at a
> very low level. Something that has been pointed out in the UK, when
a group
> of ES suffers and supporters met recently, is that we need better
> definitions of ES, and particularly the different levels
experienced. Maybe
> 3 broad levels:
>  
> 1. Mild symptoms, usually not noticed or explained away as
something else,
> not debilitating, often leading to no change in lifestyle.
> 2. Medium symptoms, noticeable and irritating such as skin rash,
requiring
> reduction of regular exposure to electric fields, mobile phones,
TV's etc.
> 3. Severe symptoms, giving major and painful reactions to many
sources which
> are highly disruptive to lifestyle, e.g. inability to travel in
modern cars,
> requiring avoidance of all electrosmog, needing to turn electric
power off
> at night to sleep, bad reactions to fluorescent lights and
mobile/cordless
> phones. Also often accompanied by sensitivity to chemicals, light
and
> sound.
>  
> I would be prepared to believe 10-20% of type 1, maybe even type 2
(though I
> don't think even FEB in Sweden has that high a proportion of
members - about
> 0.1% of the population). But no way is type 3 anything more than
very rare
> in the UK at present, and I suspect elsewhere in the world. The
disruption
> to lifestyle is so great that it is highly noticeable in people
experiencing
> it. Sue wears dark glasses and a hat in shops and sitting in the
back of
> our specially procured 16-year-old car, and has to run away from
people who
> turn on mobile phones. We can see hundreds and thousands of people
around
> us locally who do not have to do this, and nobody else who does!  
Common
> sense shows that this is not a conspiracy or cover-up; it is a very
small
> proportion of the population at the moment, such that the few
people who do
> have Level 3 get major newspaper articles written about them
because most
> people see it as so remarkable.
>  
> Ian
>
> _____  
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of

> charles
> Sent: 28 February 2006 22:36
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Article From Scottish Newspaper
>
>
> Hello Ian,
>
> I see it different.
>
> I do many house investigations as a building biologist, and are in
a
> position to see what is going on, and can measure at the same time.
> Aside to that, I get many telephone calls and e-mails from people
who seek
> my advice.
>
> My estimate is 10 % of the population.
> The Austrian epidemiologist dr. Gerd Oberfeld comes to 19 %.
> Many German physicians speak about 25 % of their patients suffer
from
> elektrosmog.
> In Germany there are many *environmental physicians
>
> The reason why we do not have enough and valuable statistics,
remains in the
>
> fact that so many physicians do not want to know about elektrosmog,
and
> therefore many people with serious elektrosensibility symptoms are
not
> recognised as such. And thus not accounted for.
> The medical world is our greatest enemy.
>
> Certainly in the Netherlands it is the case, and I assume in the UK
also.

>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 19:22
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Article From Scottish Newspaper
>
>
> > Well, surely it ES still rare, in the severe form that many
(most?) of the
> > people in this group have. Otherwise I am sure that there would
be a
> > little
> > more awareness of it and support groups would be bigger! Around
here in
> > the
> > UK my best estimate is between 1 in 1000 and 1 in 10000 people,
because we
> > have found only a handful of other sufferers locally, and some
hundreds or
> > thousands nationally out of a population of 60 million. Both Sue
and I
> > felt
> > very isolated and out on a limb until we went to Breakspear
Hospital and
> > found there were other people like her.
> >
> > That being said, I think that current sufferers are the early
warning
> > signs
> > - the tip of a huge future iceberg.
> >
> > The proportion in Sweden is considerably higher - several
thousand in
> > their
> > FEB group from a population of a few million, with Government
recognition
> > of
> > the effect and that the actual number of sufferers is far
higher. But
> > many
> > of them are simply reporting facial and skin effects, much of
which can be
> > attributed to heavy VDU use over the years. This is much less
socially
> > affecting than the more severe types of ES. This distinction is
drawn
> > quite
> > well by the UK Health Protection Agency report, which recognises
the

> > "major
> > social consequences" of this more general/severe type.
> >
> > Ian
> >
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Re: Article From Scottish Newspaper - How many people have ES?

Ian Kemp
Hi Jane,

Yes, very good points. I think that people only recognise ES if they suffer
ill effects which are clearly due to electricity and are aggravated by it.

People with melanoma and arthritis will not attribute it to electricity,
because people have had these diseases for many years, long before masts and
mobiles existed. And they may be right. The EMR may not be helping their
illnesses. But if we say "EMR is the only cause of them", that statement
will be dismissed - correctly in my view.

So what causes ES? My impression from all the discussions and case
histories is that there is usually a "trigger". People with ME, MCS or
other immune-compromised conditions are more easily triggered with ES - and
can also get many other diseases more easily. But many people with ME have
avoided it, and some "fully healthy" people have got ES. In their case, the
trigger seems to have had to be more severe - prolonged VDU use, as in
Sweden, or extensive mobile phone use.

I believe that it is considered there are also different types and levels of
ME, with different principal causes (e.g. Lyme, Epstein-Barr, stress,
antibiotics, candidiasis, poor liver detox). People who specifically get
MCS seem far more susceptible than most with ME. In Sue's case, she had
physical-exhaustion ME (antibiotic and candida related), recovered in a few
months, and did not get ES. Then 4 years later she got MCS (without
physical ME) and got ES shortly afterwards from a clear "trigger event". At
Breakspear Hospital, where many of the patients have MCS or similar, a
significant proportion have noticeable ES (Level 3) - even there it is well
under 50% though.

Ian

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Subject: [eSens] Re: Article From Scottish Newspaper - How many people have
ES?


hi ian,

i think you raise some extremely interesting points about ES. I keep
asking myself what the heck ES actually IS, and why some ppl say they
have it and others not. My parents live opposite a powerful mast,
yet no one in their street is concerned about it despite the fact
that the guy next door has had melanoma removed, three women have
crippling arthritis, (one of whose young daughter now also has
developed serious spine problems). These are ppl whose bodies are
without doubt (in my mind) suffering the effects of strong EMR
exposure yet they don't FEEL it in the way that we do.

So then i think, well maybe its that ES ppl are so weak generally and
thats why we notice. So then I look to all those with M.E. and their
considerably compromised immune systems. Yet ES is virtually unknown
in M.E. circles.

so what the heck is ES, and why do only certain ppl FEEL it as ES?

jane
--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Charles and Diane
>
> Sure, lots of people will have these problems without realising it,
so the
> frequency will be higher than the level of those who report it. The
> question is how much higher? That's what I'm trying to guess.
>
> The best I can say is that we have a very wide circle of friends,
> acquaintances and relatives, running to several hundred. None of
them show
> the severe ES symptoms that Sue has. One or two have noticed
effects which
> could well be linked to mild ES. The reaction of the remainder
varies from
> sympathy and support to, in some cases, total disbelief. But since
they
> know what we are going through, we are quite sure that they would
have come
> forward if anything had "rung a bell", either with them or
recognising it
> among their friends. So this suggests to me that we are talking of
the
> order of 1% with any noticeable effects, and much fewer with severe
ones -
> at the moment.
>
> On the other hand, we have met a good proportion of people at
Breakspear
> Hospital who have ES or MCS symptoms. But this is a very self-
selecting
> group, in that they are people who have illnesses severe enough to
drive
> them to find a private hospital and spend considerable sums on
treatment.
> Likewise it may be that the people who are interested enough to
contact you,
> Charles, are the ones who are actually experiencing something. And
only a
> small proportion of people regularly consult their doctors - only
when they
> are ill.
>
> Therefore it seems to me that figures of 10% to 20% are rather
high, unless
> we are talking about some very vague reaction to electrosmog which
is at a
> very low level. Something that has been pointed out in the UK, when
a group
> of ES suffers and supporters met recently, is that we need better
> definitions of ES, and particularly the different levels
experienced. Maybe
> 3 broad levels:
>
> 1. Mild symptoms, usually not noticed or explained away as
something else,
> not debilitating, often leading to no change in lifestyle.
> 2. Medium symptoms, noticeable and irritating such as skin rash,
requiring
> reduction of regular exposure to electric fields, mobile phones,
TV's etc.
> 3. Severe symptoms, giving major and painful reactions to many
sources which
> are highly disruptive to lifestyle, e.g. inability to travel in
modern cars,
> requiring avoidance of all electrosmog, needing to turn electric
power off
> at night to sleep, bad reactions to fluorescent lights and
mobile/cordless
> phones. Also often accompanied by sensitivity to chemicals, light
and
> sound.
>
> I would be prepared to believe 10-20% of type 1, maybe even type 2
(though I
> don't think even FEB in Sweden has that high a proportion of
members - about
> 0.1% of the population). But no way is type 3 anything more than
very rare
> in the UK at present, and I suspect elsewhere in the world. The
disruption
> to lifestyle is so great that it is highly noticeable in people
experiencing
> it. Sue wears dark glasses and a hat in shops and sitting in the
back of
> our specially procured 16-year-old car, and has to run away from
people who
> turn on mobile phones. We can see hundreds and thousands of people
around
> us locally who do not have to do this, and nobody else who does!
Common
> sense shows that this is not a conspiracy or cover-up; it is a very
small
> proportion of the population at the moment, such that the few
people who do
> have Level 3 get major newspaper articles written about them
because most
> people see it as so remarkable.
>
> Ian
>
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> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of

> charles
> Sent: 28 February 2006 22:36
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Article From Scottish Newspaper
>
>
> Hello Ian,
>
> I see it different.
>
> I do many house investigations as a building biologist, and are in
a
> position to see what is going on, and can measure at the same time.
> Aside to that, I get many telephone calls and e-mails from people
who seek
> my advice.
>
> My estimate is 10 % of the population.
> The Austrian epidemiologist dr. Gerd Oberfeld comes to 19 %.
> Many German physicians speak about 25 % of their patients suffer
from
> elektrosmog.
> In Germany there are many *environmental physicians
>
> The reason why we do not have enough and valuable statistics,
remains in the
>
> fact that so many physicians do not want to know about elektrosmog,
and
> therefore many people with serious elektrosensibility symptoms are
not
> recognised as such. And thus not accounted for.
> The medical world is our greatest enemy.
>
> Certainly in the Netherlands it is the case, and I assume in the UK
also.

>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
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>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 19:22
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Article From Scottish Newspaper
>
>
> > Well, surely it ES still rare, in the severe form that many
(most?) of the
> > people in this group have. Otherwise I am sure that there would
be a
> > little
> > more awareness of it and support groups would be bigger! Around
here in
> > the
> > UK my best estimate is between 1 in 1000 and 1 in 10000 people,
because we
> > have found only a handful of other sufferers locally, and some
hundreds or
> > thousands nationally out of a population of 60 million. Both Sue
and I
> > felt
> > very isolated and out on a limb until we went to Breakspear
Hospital and
> > found there were other people like her.
> >
> > That being said, I think that current sufferers are the early
warning
> > signs
> > - the tip of a huge future iceberg.
> >
> > The proportion in Sweden is considerably higher - several
thousand in
> > their
> > FEB group from a population of a few million, with Government
recognition
> > of
> > the effect and that the actual number of sufferers is far
higher. But
> > many
> > of them are simply reporting facial and skin effects, much of
which can be
> > attributed to heavy VDU use over the years. This is much less
socially
> > affecting than the more severe types of ES. This distinction is
drawn
> > quite
> > well by the UK Health Protection Agency report, which recognises
the

> > "major
> > social consequences" of this more general/severe type.
> >
> > Ian
> >
>
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