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Well, in the last couple of days, we built a "cage" around our couch. We made the frame out of PVC pipe 1/2". Took Reynolds Heavy Duty Aluminum foil and placed it under the couch on the floor, folding over twice and
taping each seam with aluminum tape. We did this on the top, sides and ends. My Hubby had to of course help me in and close the one open end with me lying on the couch inside. I had my oxygen tubing so I was able to have enough air from the tank on the outside of the cage. Grounded it to a stake outside. IT WORKED!!!! We had three jets fly overhead several swoops and Very very VERY close. Made the house shake a little. (Maybe they didn't like the cage!) I didn't tremor nor did I get the jabbing chest pains! :) I was jittering inside some but did NOT tremor! It was tough to make b/c the foil easily has little pin holes poked through all over. I crawled inside and saw them all. :( So then I took some lighter duty foil and doubled up on the sides, top and one end. Hard to do the end I have to crawl through, but at least that took care of most of the pin holes. I had such a bad reaction to the Denny Foil we used last year that I was very skeptical that this would work. God answered our prayers. It did. SO, then for the trailer, we have to put in a vapor barrier yet anyway, so we should probably go ahead and use a product like the reflectix before the wall board? We're going to change our flooring and go with that aluminum tread solid stuff. What do you think? Kris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Kris,Please let's keep in touch, I am much interested how would you feel when staying longer inside the cage... Me and some other people from the listhave problems staying longer within such cage so I am very curious what would you find.Anyway, I am sure it helps against acute exposure and if you don't stay too long, so it is worth having one handy. But before you decide to cover a whole room (or a house, like me), I suggest that you properly test the current cage.
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Pin-holes should be a big concern. You can probably get away with
some holes up to 1mm. Cracks are very bad though. Best to patch them on the outside with good overlap. You might try putting in a window with fine mesh. At least a few inches of overlap. Bill On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:47 PM, K <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Well, in the last couple of days, we built a "cage" around our couch. We > made the frame out of PVC pipe 1/2". Took Reynolds Heavy Duty Aluminum foil > and placed it under the couch on the floor, folding over twice and > taping each seam with aluminum tape. We did this on the top, sides and > ends. My Hubby had to of course help me in and close the one open end > with me lying on the couch inside. I had my oxygen tubing so I was able > to have enough air from the tank on the outside of the cage. Grounded > it to a stake outside. > > IT WORKED!!!! We had three jets fly > overhead several swoops and Very very VERY close. Made the house shake > a little. (Maybe they didn't like the cage!) I didn't tremor nor did > I get the jabbing chest pains! :) > I was jittering inside some but did NOT tremor! > > It > was tough to make b/c the foil easily has little pin holes poked > through all over. I crawled inside and saw them all. :( So then I > took some lighter duty foil and doubled up on the sides, top and one > end. Hard to do the end I have to crawl through, but at least that > took care of most of the pin holes. > > I had such a bad reaction to > the Denny Foil we used last year that I was very skeptical that this > would work. God answered our prayers. It did. > > SO, then for the trailer, we have to put in a vapor barrier yet anyway, so > we should probably go ahead and use a product like the > reflectix before the wall board? We're going to change our flooring > and go with that aluminum tread solid stuff. > > What do you think? > Kris > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Drasko, Really? What kind of problems did you have? I suppose you then don't recommend using the Reflectix inside the travel trailer we're building?
Last night I had to stay in it about 1 1/2 hours b/c the jets kept flying and flying and FLYING! It got really hot in there b/c of my own body heat.(kinda made my own sauna, he he he) What kind of tests do you recommend me doing? We have to move forward with our travel trailer building project. We have to know what to put inside the walls that is going to protect me(acutely for the military jet radar issues I have) as well as long term health. We were told to use the Argen mesh a long time ago, but that won't protect against this radar, I was told recently. We were told to use a tight woven mesh(200 weave per inch) but will that protect me against radar and help me long term? I know there's something about getting worse b/c the earth's electrical/magnetic whatever it is (Sorry Migraine and brain fog today) can be blocked out which is what a person needs. I'm not making sense, sorry. Hopefully, you are making sense out of what I'm trying to say. :) Kris ________________________________ From: Drasko Cvijovic <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 8:14:38 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Aluminum cage worked!!!!! Kris,Please let's keep in touch, I am much interested how would you feel when staying longer inside the cage... Me and some other people from the list have problems staying longer within such cage so I am very curious what would you find.Anyway, I am sure it helps against acute exposure and if you don't stay too long, so it is worth having one handy. But before you decide to cover a whole room (or a house, like me), I suggest that you properly test the current cage. Drasko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I meant pin holes should NOT be a big concern.
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote: > Pin-holes should be a big concern. You can probably get away with > some holes up to 1mm. Cracks are very bad though. Best to patch them on > the outside with good overlap. > > You might try putting in a window with fine mesh. At least a few > inches of overlap. > > Bill > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:47 PM, K <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> >> >> Well, in the last couple of days, we built a "cage" around our couch. We >> made the frame out of PVC pipe 1/2". Took Reynolds Heavy Duty Aluminum foil >> and placed it under the couch on the floor, folding over twice and >> taping each seam with aluminum tape. We did this on the top, sides and >> ends. My Hubby had to of course help me in and close the one open end >> with me lying on the couch inside. I had my oxygen tubing so I was able >> to have enough air from the tank on the outside of the cage. Grounded >> it to a stake outside. >> >> IT WORKED!!!! We had three jets fly >> overhead several swoops and Very very VERY close. Made the house shake >> a little. (Maybe they didn't like the cage!) I didn't tremor nor did >> I get the jabbing chest pains! :) >> I was jittering inside some but did NOT tremor! >> >> It >> was tough to make b/c the foil easily has little pin holes poked >> through all over. I crawled inside and saw them all. :( So then I >> took some lighter duty foil and doubled up on the sides, top and one >> end. Hard to do the end I have to crawl through, but at least that >> took care of most of the pin holes. >> >> I had such a bad reaction to >> the Denny Foil we used last year that I was very skeptical that this >> would work. God answered our prayers. It did. >> >> SO, then for the trailer, we have to put in a vapor barrier yet anyway, so >> we should probably go ahead and use a product like the >> reflectix before the wall board? We're going to change our flooring >> and go with that aluminum tread solid stuff. >> >> What do you think? >> Kris >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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oh ok Good thanks for clearing that up! :)
Yeah, we taped over any tear there was and I over lapped the foil everywhere but the entrance(my feet are toward the entrance when I'm in it.) Would that fine mesh be the 200 threads per inch type stuff? Kris ________________________________ From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 4:34:56 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Aluminum cage worked!!!!! I meant pin holes should NOT be a big concern. On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote: > Pin-holes should be a big concern. You can probably get away with > some holes up to 1mm. Cracks are very bad though. Best to patch them on > the outside with good overlap. > > You might try putting in a window with fine mesh. At least a few > inches of overlap. > > Bill > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:47 PM, K <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> >> >> Well, in the last couple of days, we built a "cage" around our couch. We >> made the frame out of PVC pipe 1/2". Took Reynolds Heavy Duty Aluminum foil >> and placed it under the couch on the floor, folding over twice and >> taping each seam with aluminum tape. We did this on the top, sides and >> ends. My Hubby had to of course help me in and close the one open end >> with me lying on the couch inside. I had my oxygen tubing so I was able >> to have enough air from the tank on the outside of the cage. Grounded >> it to a stake outside. >> >> IT WORKED!!!! We had three jets fly >> overhead several swoops and Very very VERY close. Made the house shake >> a little. (Maybe they didn't like the cage!) I didn't tremor nor did >> I get the jabbing chest pains! :) >> I was jittering inside some but did NOT tremor! >> >> It >> was tough to make b/c the foil easily has little pin holes poked >> through all over. I crawled inside and saw them all. :( So then I >> took some lighter duty foil and doubled up on the sides, top and one >> end. Hard to do the end I have to crawl through, but at least that >> took care of most of the pin holes. >> >> I had such a bad reaction to >> the Denny Foil we used last year that I was very skeptical that this >> would work. God answered our prayers. It did. >> >> SO, then for the trailer, we have to put in a vapor barrier yet anyway, so >> we should probably go ahead and use a product like the >> reflectix before the wall board? We're going to change our flooring >> and go with that aluminum tread solid stuff. >> >> What do you think? >> Kris >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Horray ! I am so pleased that you have found a solution, now you can work
on it to make it more comfortable no doubt, necessity is the mother of invention hey.. In a message dated 23/04/2010 22:41:09 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: oh ok Good thanks for clearing that up! :) Yeah, we taped over any tear there was and I over lapped the foil everywhere but the entrance(my feet are toward the entrance when I'm in it.) Would that fine mesh be the 200 threads per inch type stuff? Kris ________________________________ From: Bill Bruno <_wbruno@gmail.wbr_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.eSe_ (mailto:[hidden email]) Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 4:34:56 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Aluminum cage worked!!!!! I meant pin holes should NOT be a big concern. On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Bill Bruno <_wbruno@gmail.wbr_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > wrote: > Pin-holes should be a big concern. You can probably get away with > some holes up to 1mm. Cracks are very bad though. Best to patch them on > the outside with good overlap. > > You might try putting in a window with fine mesh. At least a few > inches of overlap. > > Bill > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:47 PM, K <_kfarming@yahoo.kfa_ > >> >> >> Well, in the last couple of days, we built a "cage" around our couch. We >> made the frame out of PVC pipe 1/2". Took Reynolds Heavy Duty Aluminum foil >> and placed it under the couch on the floor, folding over twice and >> taping each seam with aluminum tape. We did this on the top, sides and >> ends. My Hubby had to of course help me in and close the one open end >> with me lying on the couch inside. I had my oxygen tubing so I was able >> to have enough air from the tank on the outside of the cage. Grounded >> it to a stake outside. >> >> IT WORKED!!!! We had three jets fly >> overhead several swoops and Very very VERY close. Made the house shake >> a little. (Maybe they didn't like the cage!) I didn't tremor nor did >> I get the jabbing chest pains! :) >> I was jittering inside some but did NOT tremor! >> >> It >> was tough to make b/c the foil easily has little pin holes poked >> through all over. I crawled inside and saw them all. :( So then I >> took some lighter duty foil and doubled up on the sides, top and one >> end. Hard to do the end I have to crawl through, but at least that >> took care of most of the pin holes. >> >> I had such a bad reaction to >> the Denny Foil we used last year that I was very skeptical that this >> would work. God answered our prayers. It did. >> >> SO, then for the trailer, we have to put in a vapor barrier yet anyway, >> we should probably go ahead and use a product like the >> reflectix before the wall board? We're going to change our flooring >> and go with that aluminum tread solid stuff. >> >> What do you think? >> Kris >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Thanks! And yes there's no doubt Necessity is the mother of Invention! :)
Kris ________________________________ From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 5:40:02 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Aluminum cage worked!!!!! Horray ! I am so pleased that you have found a solution, now you can work on it to make it more comfortable no doubt, necessity is the mother of invention hey.. In a message dated 23/04/2010 22:41:09 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: oh ok Good thanks for clearing that up! :) Yeah, we taped over any tear there was and I over lapped the foil everywhere but the entrance(my feet are toward the entrance when I'm in it.) Would that fine mesh be the 200 threads per inch type stuff? Kris ________________________________ From: Bill Bruno <_wbruno@gmail.wbr_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.eSe_ (mailto:[hidden email]) Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 4:34:56 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Aluminum cage worked!!!!! I meant pin holes should NOT be a big concern. On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Bill Bruno <_wbruno@gmail.wbr_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > wrote: > Pin-holes should be a big concern. You can probably get away with > some holes up to 1mm. Cracks are very bad though. Best to patch them on > the outside with good overlap. > > You might try putting in a window with fine mesh. At least a few > inches of overlap. > > Bill > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:47 PM, K <_kfarming@yahoo.kfa_ > >> >> >> Well, in the last couple of days, we built a "cage" around our couch. We >> made the frame out of PVC pipe 1/2". Took Reynolds Heavy Duty Aluminum foil >> and placed it under the couch on the floor, folding over twice and >> taping each seam with aluminum tape. We did this on the top, sides and >> ends. My Hubby had to of course help me in and close the one open end >> with me lying on the couch inside. I had my oxygen tubing so I was able >> to have enough air from the tank on the outside of the cage. Grounded >> it to a stake outside. >> >> IT WORKED!!!! We had three jets fly >> overhead several swoops and Very very VERY close. Made the house shake >> a little. (Maybe they didn't like the cage!) I didn't tremor nor did >> I get the jabbing chest pains! :) >> I was jittering inside some but did NOT tremor! >> >> It >> was tough to make b/c the foil easily has little pin holes poked >> through all over. I crawled inside and saw them all. :( So then I >> took some lighter duty foil and doubled up on the sides, top and one >> end. Hard to do the end I have to crawl through, but at least that >> took care of most of the pin holes. >> >> I had such a bad reaction to >> the Denny Foil we used last year that I was very skeptical that this >> would work. God answered our prayers. It did. >> >> SO, then for the trailer, we have to put in a vapor barrier yet anyway, >> we should probably go ahead and use a product like the >> reflectix before the wall board? We're going to change our flooring >> and go with that aluminum tread solid stuff. >> >> What do you think? >> Kris >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I initially recommended 200 wires per inch. If you are sure you are
reacting to 77GHz then I would recommend at least 40 per inch, probably 100. There is reason to think that as far as skull penetration, lower frequencies around 1 to 10 GHz are more important. In this case regular aluminum screens for windows will work pretty well. You also might try veil shield from lessEMF. Bill On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 3:41 PM, K <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > oh ok Good thanks for clearing that up! :) > Yeah, we taped over any tear there was and I over lapped the foil > everywhere but the entrance(my feet are toward the entrance when I'm in it.) > > Would that fine mesh be the 200 threads per inch type stuff? > Kris > > ________________________________ > From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 4:34:56 PM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Aluminum cage worked!!!!! > > > I meant pin holes should NOT be a big concern. > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]<wbruno%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > Pin-holes should be a big concern. You can probably get away with > > some holes up to 1mm. Cracks are very bad though. Best to patch them on > > the outside with good overlap. > > > > You might try putting in a window with fine mesh. At least a few > > inches of overlap. > > > > Bill > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:47 PM, K <[hidden email]<kfarming%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Well, in the last couple of days, we built a "cage" around our couch. We > >> made the frame out of PVC pipe 1/2". Took Reynolds Heavy Duty Aluminum > foil > >> and placed it under the couch on the floor, folding over twice and > >> taping each seam with aluminum tape. We did this on the top, sides and > >> ends. My Hubby had to of course help me in and close the one open end > >> with me lying on the couch inside. I had my oxygen tubing so I was able > >> to have enough air from the tank on the outside of the cage. Grounded > >> it to a stake outside. > >> > >> IT WORKED!!!! We had three jets fly > >> overhead several swoops and Very very VERY close. Made the house shake > >> a little. (Maybe they didn't like the cage!) I didn't tremor nor did > >> I get the jabbing chest pains! :) > >> I was jittering inside some but did NOT tremor! > >> > >> It > >> was tough to make b/c the foil easily has little pin holes poked > >> through all over. I crawled inside and saw them all. :( So then I > >> took some lighter duty foil and doubled up on the sides, top and one > >> end. Hard to do the end I have to crawl through, but at least that > >> took care of most of the pin holes. > >> > >> I had such a bad reaction to > >> the Denny Foil we used last year that I was very skeptical that this > >> would work. God answered our prayers. It did. > >> > >> SO, then for the trailer, we have to put in a vapor barrier yet anyway, > so > >> we should probably go ahead and use a product like the > >> reflectix before the wall board? We're going to change our flooring > >> and go with that aluminum tread solid stuff. > >> > >> What do you think? > >> Kris > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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ok thanks Bill. I apprecaite your recommendations. :)
Kris ________________________________ From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 2:03:02 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Aluminum cage worked!!!!! I initially recommended 200 wires per inch. If you are sure you are reacting to 77GHz then I would recommend at least 40 per inch, probably 100. There is reason to think that as far as skull penetration, lower frequencies around 1 to 10 GHz are more important. In this case regular aluminum screens for windows will work pretty well. You also might try veil shield from lessEMF. Bill On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 3:41 PM, K <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > oh ok Good thanks for clearing that up! :) > Yeah, we taped over any tear there was and I over lapped the foil > everywhere but the entrance(my feet are toward the entrance when I'm in it.) > > Would that fine mesh be the 200 threads per inch type stuff? > Kris > > ________________________________ > From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 4:34:56 PM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Aluminum cage worked!!!!! > > > I meant pin holes should NOT be a big concern. > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]<wbruno%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > Pin-holes should be a big concern. You can probably get away with > > some holes up to 1mm. Cracks are very bad though. Best to patch them on > > the outside with good overlap. > > > > You might try putting in a window with fine mesh. At least a few > > inches of overlap. > > > > Bill > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:47 PM, K <[hidden email]<kfarming%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Well, in the last couple of days, we built a "cage" around our couch. We > >> made the frame out of PVC pipe 1/2". Took Reynolds Heavy Duty Aluminum > foil > >> and placed it under the couch on the floor, folding over twice and > >> taping each seam with aluminum tape. We did this on the top, sides and > >> ends. My Hubby had to of course help me in and close the one open end > >> with me lying on the couch inside. I had my oxygen tubing so I was able > >> to have enough air from the tank on the outside of the cage. Grounded > >> it to a stake outside. > >> > >> IT WORKED!!!! We had three jets fly > >> overhead several swoops and Very very VERY close. Made the house shake > >> a little. (Maybe they didn't like the cage!) I didn't tremor nor did > >> I get the jabbing chest pains! :) > >> I was jittering inside some but did NOT tremor! > >> > >> It > >> was tough to make b/c the foil easily has little pin holes poked > >> through all over. I crawled inside and saw them all. :( So then I > >> took some lighter duty foil and doubled up on the sides, top and one > >> end. Hard to do the end I have to crawl through, but at least that > >> took care of most of the pin holes. > >> > >> I had such a bad reaction to > >> the Denny Foil we used last year that I was very skeptical that this > >> would work. God answered our prayers. It did. > >> > >> SO, then for the trailer, we have to put in a vapor barrier yet anyway, > so > >> we should probably go ahead and use a product like the > >> reflectix before the wall board? We're going to change our flooring > >> and go with that aluminum tread solid stuff. > >> > >> What do you think? > >> Kris > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Well, Kris, although many people concerned with the issue won't agree, whatthe meters read is just faintly related to the subjective discomfort we feel... There are numerous people who have horrific feeling inside the Faraday cages... For me the best way is not to stay too long, and gadgets do a better job... It took me many years to accept that reality... Just to illustrate: there is much research on the subject that experimental mice avoid such chambers! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Which gadgets do you think work for you?
I felt fine in a place that was shielded but also had very low magnetic fields and no dirty power. But I did not have a chance to sleep there. It seems that meters with sound demodulation are helpful guides... they can be quite sensitive and it may be that it's the coherence of the signal that is the problem, not so much the amplitude. Bill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Drasko Cvijovic <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > Well, Kris, although many people concerned with the issue won't agree, what > the meters read is just faintly related to the subjective discomfort we > feel... There are numerous people who have horrific feeling inside the > Faraday cages... For me the best way is not to stay too long, and gadgetsdo > a better job... It took me many years to accept that reality... Just to > illustrate: there is much research on the subject that experimental mice > avoid such chambers! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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No doubt they trap "other" waves/energies
In a message dated 26/04/2010 18:28:54 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: Well, Kris, although many people concerned with the issue won't agree, what > the meters read is just faintly related to the subjective discomfort we > feel... There are numerous people who have horrific feeling inside the > Faraday cages... For me the best way is not to stay too long, and gadgets do > a better job... It took me many years to accept that reality... Just to > illustrate: there is much research on the subject that experimental mice > avoid such chambers! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I am glad there is some interest regarding the paradoxical effects of Faraday type shiledings! Bill, regarding the gadgets, of those that are popular, for example I find effective Bioprotect card (the author, Dr. Gruen, is a member here), Springlife Polarizer, etc... (I haven't tried too many of them!). But all theystop working after a while, if you wear them continually! In a Russian gadget manual it really says so: to use it 20 minutes with hours of pause... Many people agreed on the reality of that weird attribute... It is maybe notsurprising in relation to recent research of brain responses to EMF, but there is no clear explanation... I agree that monitoring pollution through a simple amplitude modulation decoder (speaker) is useful! It matches the practical observations of many of us, and also suggestions from research that emphasize the importance of LF part of spectrum, and the signal pattern, while carrier amplitude seems to be less important. That downplays the widely spread (even among us) conceptof "radiation", as the model for low level EMF influence. I myself suspect that the paradoxical effect of shielding has to do with this, as I have noticed that despites lowering the general "radiation", shielding "sharpens" the noise which you can hear out of such monitoring speaker, what is probably due to canceling relatively more of background noise than signal itself...Would you have any interesting, especially practical, notes regarding the issue, I would be happy to hear! Paul, can you be more specific how did you come to an idea they trap "otherenergies"?! I am considering any hint, as mainstream explanations don't work... Drasko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Aluminium is a very peculiar material.
Because of its cristalline structure, it also shields the neccessary *cosmic rays*, which we need for a living. With all elektrosmog, there are the normal transversal waves, which we can measure and shield ourselver from. But also, there are the longitudinal waves, which are in the TeraHertz region, and which do easily pass through a shielding. And by passing through a shielding, their information can change abruptly, from positive to negative or visa versa. And, longitudinal waves do travel over a much greater distance than their transversal waves. So, when transversal waves are at their end, the longitudinal travel on and on, so much farther. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:09 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Aluminum cage worked!!!!! I am glad there is some interest regarding the paradoxical effects of Faraday type shiledings! Bill, regarding the gadgets, of those that are popular, for example I find effective Bioprotect card (the author, Dr. Gruen, is a member here), Springlife Polarizer, etc... (I haven't tried too many of them!). But all they stop working after a while, if you wear them continually! In a Russian gadget manual it really says so: to use it 20 minutes with hours of pause... Many people agreed on the reality of that weird attribute... It is maybe not surprising in relation to recent research of brain responses to EMF, but there is no clear explanation... I agree that monitoring pollution through a simple amplitude modulation decoder (speaker) is useful! It matches the practical observations of many of us, and also suggestions from research that emphasize the importance of LF part of spectrum, and the signal pattern, while carrier amplitude seems to be less important. That downplays the widely spread (even among us) concept of "radiation", as the model for low level EMF influence. I myself suspect that the paradoxical effect of shielding has to do with this, as I have noticed that despites lowering the general "radiation", shielding "sharpens" the noise which you can hear out of such monitoring speaker, what is probably due to canceling relatively more of background noise than signal itself...Would you have any interesting, especially practical, notes regarding the issue, I would be happy to hear! Paul, can you be more specific how did you come to an idea they trap "other energies"?! I am considering any hint, as mainstream explanations don't work... Drasko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Another thing to think about is whether a home-made cage
can also be a resonant cavity. In fact the professional ones will have resonances too, unless they have the large absorbers inside. But when there are seams you can get resonances that can absorb energy from outside. Proper RF grounding would solve this to a large extent. I do think it's possible that people also need some natural RF, but I'm sure about that so far. Bill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Drasko Cvijovic <[hidden email]>wrote: > > > > I am glad there is some interest regarding the paradoxical effects of > Faraday type shiledings! > Bill, regarding the gadgets, of those that are popular, for example I find > effective Bioprotect card (the author, Dr. Gruen, is a member here), > Springlife Polarizer, etc... (I haven't tried too many of them!). But all > they stop working after a while, if you wear them continually! In a Russian > gadget manual it really says so: to use it 20 minutes with hours of pause... > Many people agreed on the reality of that weird attribute... It is maybe not > surprising in relation to recent research of brain responses to EMF, but > there is no clear explanation... > I agree that monitoring pollution through a simple amplitude modulation > decoder (speaker) is useful! It matches the practical observations of many > of us, and also suggestions from research that emphasize the importance of > LF part of spectrum, and the signal pattern, while carrier amplitude seems > to be less important. That downplays the widely spread (even among us) > concept of "radiation", as the model for low level EMF influence. I myself > suspect that the paradoxical effect of shielding has to do with this, as I > have noticed that despites lowering the general "radiation", shielding > "sharpens" the noise which you can hear out of such monitoring speaker, what > is probably due to canceling relatively more of background noise than signal > itself...Would you have any interesting, especially practical, notes > regarding the issue, I would be happy to hear! > Paul, can you be more specific how did you come to an idea they trap "other > energies"?! I am considering any hint, as mainstream explanations don't > work... > Drasko > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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PUK replies - does NASA now about this ?
In a message dated 27/04/2010 21:51:53 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: And, longitudinal waves do travel over a much greater distance than their transversal waves. So, when transversal waves are at their end, the longitudinal travel on and on, so much farther. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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puk replies - I think Bill is spot on here !
In a message dated 27/04/2010 20:31:59 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: Another thing to think about is whether a home-made cage can also be a resonant cavity. In fact the professional ones will have resonances too, unless they have the large absorbers inside. But when there are seams you can get resonances that can absorb energy from outside. Proper RF grounding would solve this to a large extent. I do think it's possible that people also need some natural RF, but I'm sure about that so far. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Puk replies - I was just hypothesizing here, perhaps your bodies own RF
profile will beginn to contaminate the cage from within, just stabbing in the dark really... I agree with Bill on his sumation and that you need to build in some absorbers, what about plants could they be brought in ?? In a message dated 27/04/2010 17:53:05 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: Paul, can you be more specific how did you come to an idea they trap "other energies"?! I am considering any hint, as mainstream explanations don't work... Drasko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Sure.
According to Bearden, the Americans do have Tesla Howitzers. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum cage worked!!!!! > PUK replies - does NASA now about this ? > > > In a message dated 27/04/2010 21:51:53 GMT Daylight Time, > [hidden email] writes: > > And, longitudinal waves do travel over a much greater distance than their > transversal waves. > So, when transversal waves are at their end, the longitudinal travel on > and > on, so much farther. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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