A good compile or summary posts

hello folks,

I am just learning about EMF and stuff; even though we have stayed away from a few common sense things like microwave for a few years now, i am amazed that so much radiation is in the air everywhere.

Are there any good posts that summarize most of the issues that are discussed around the board here and what we can do to avoid them as best as possible?

If not; would someone venture to write a small article putting in their knowledge of things.


thanks!
-gariki

 
Hello Gariki,
 
what you propose has been done again and again, but it gets lost in the  
vast amount of postings. It is a pity.
 
dietrich
 
In einer eMail vom 04.10.2011 20:42:54 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt  
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hello folks,

I am just learning about EMF and stuff; even though we  have stayed away
from a few common sense things like microwave for a few years  now, i am
amazed that so much radiation is in the air everywhere.

Are  there any good posts that summarize most of the issues that are
discussed  around the board here and what we can do to avoid them as best as  
possible?

If not; would someone venture to write a small article  putting in their
knowledge of  things.

thanks!
-gariki








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Sounds like you now know about RF and magnetic.  For an intro to dirty electricity and electric fields, check out:

1. Video on how to use an AM radio for dirty electricity testing:  http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/dirtye.php : This demonstrates the difference between fluorescent and incandescent light bulb, and between dimmer switch and regular on/off switch.  

2. Video on electric fields, and the benefit of using a remote control demand switch (or else manually shutting circuit breakers) to lower electric fields, to allow the body to repair itself better:  http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/electric.php

3. Videos on computers, which potentially combine all 4 types of emf's (rf, magnetic, electric, and dirty electricity):
http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/safecomputing.php : New video showing EMF issues with computers


--- In [hidden email], "gariki" <chetan.gariki@...> wrote:

Hi Gariki,
I have a bunch of info, and many links as well that can take you in many
directions to learn.
Start at my web page for my ehs:
http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html

Many have said it is helpful, and that is my goal.
Stewart

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> what you propose has been done again and again, but it gets lost in the  
> vast amount of postings. It is a pity.
>
>
>  

some boards have a ranking mechanism and ability to put in sticky posts where in good posts stay visible. I dont think yahoo groups has that functionality.

--- In [hidden email], Gruendg@... wrote:

On 10/5/2011 6:40 AM, gariki wrote:
> some boards have a ranking mechanism and ability to put in sticky
> posts where in good posts stay visible. I dont think yahoo groups
> has that functionality.

Well, this group is mirrored on Nabble:

  http://esens.966376.n3.nabble.com/

And I can "pin" certain posts so they appear on the top.  However, I
wouldn't know which posts to pin?  Anyone have any suggestions?

The problem is that there is not just one solution to electrical
hypersensitivity.  People react differently to various sources
of EMF exposure.  People respond differently to various
proposed solutions.  And solutions can range from:

  - avoidance
  - shielding
  - being particular about the various electronics you have
    around you
  - use of EMF protection devices
  - improved nutrition
  - immune system boosting
  - detoxification of heavy metals / chemicals / parasites

And probably a few more things I'm forgetting... :-)

At one point I thought I was going to get laid off from my
job, and I was thinking about going through all of the
posts here and turning the highlights into an organized
book or website.  However, I stayed employed, so I don't
have the time for that...

Marc

While I sympathize with those who want everything
organized, marc has a good point. ES is such a mixed
bag. And anedotical info (people sharing their stories)
 is - in my opinion, a hugely valuable source of info. I know
from having been there, reading thru tons of posts, can be
tiring. But can you remember stumbling upon a post that
gave you an answer/solution/idea for your own case?
You wanted to yell "yes, someone else had the same experience?"
Bottom line? If we don't have compassion within our own community
of Essers, then something is truly wrong.
I would turn off/disconnect do whatever to make my home
safe for any of you, if you came to visit.
Lizzie



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From: [hidden email]
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 07:09:29 -0700
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: A good compile or summary posts


 



On 10/5/2011 6:40 AM, gariki wrote:
> some boards have a ranking mechanism and ability to put in sticky
> posts where in good posts stay visible. I dont think yahoo groups
> has that functionality.

Well, this group is mirrored on Nabble:

http://esens.966376.n3.nabble.com/

And I can "pin" certain posts so they appear on the top. However, I
wouldn't know which posts to pin? Anyone have any suggestions?

The problem is that there is not just one solution to electrical
hypersensitivity. People react differently to various sources
of EMF exposure. People respond differently to various
proposed solutions. And solutions can range from:

- avoidance
- shielding
- being particular about the various electronics you have
around you
- use of EMF protection devices
- improved nutrition
- immune system boosting
- detoxification of heavy metals / chemicals / parasites

And probably a few more things I'm forgetting... :-)

At one point I thought I was going to get laid off from my
job, and I was thinking about going through all of the
posts here and turning the highlights into an organized
book or website. However, I stayed employed, so I don't
have the time for that...

Marc




     

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Hi Gariki, and Dietrich,

You two write:

<Are  there any good posts that summarize most of the issues that are
discussed  around the board here and what we can do to avoid them as best as
possible?>

<what you propose has been done again and again, but it gets lost in the
vast amount of postings. It is a pity.>

My reply:
I used to copy and paste posts I had written to one person over and over to others.  But now since I can rarely be online due to taking care of my ill parents, I have taken to writing people where the info can be found.  True, you have to do some digging but you learn a lot by doing it.

I tell people to look up the info in the archives by using names:

For info on meters and electrics themselves, enter Charles Claussen, Bill Bruno, Stewart Andreason, or Shivani


For info on computers, Stewart Andreason or Marc Martin are helpful; also I have (evie15422) some info on how I remediated my computer in the archives.

For helps for symptoms try Marc Martin, Snoshoe, Elizabeth Thode, Andrew McAfee, or me.


For basic helps in daily living and avoidance, try Blue-green, Marc Martin, or my old posts, also the newbie James has compiled very good ideas. 


What is ES about and why do we have it?  Dietrich Gruen (about types of waves and frequencies that cause it), Andrew McAfee, my posts (includes more on BBB involvement and why that is important), Elizabeth Thode (discusses the need for thyroid and adrenal help). 

There are more topics and many more people, but these are off the top of my head.

Diane







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Oh yeah, I kept trying to think of your name!  Emraware is a good overall source to check in the archives for meter info, some info on computer tolerance, ES basic helps.....

Diane



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Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 8:33 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: A good compile or summary posts


 
Sounds like you now know about RF and magnetic.  For an intro to dirty electricity and electric fields, check out:

1. Video on how to use an AM radio for dirty electricity testing: http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/dirtye.php : This demonstrates the difference between fluorescent and incandescent light bulb, and between dimmer switch and regular on/off switch.

2. Video on electric fields, and the benefit of using a remote control demand switch (or else manually shutting circuit breakers) to lower electric fields, to allow the body to repair itself better: http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/electric.php

3. Videos on computers, which potentially combine all 4 types of emf's (rf, magnetic, electric, and dirty electricity):
http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/safecomputing.php : New video showing EMF issues with computers

--- In [hidden email], "gariki" <chetan.gariki@...> wrote:

 

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> But can you remember stumbling upon a post that
> gave you an answer/solution/idea for your own case?

Also, any "summary" would be woefully inadequate,
because the subject is simply too complicated for
a summary to be very helpful.  And anyone who
writes a summary is going to apply their own
personal bias, which may not align with the
reader's personal bias.   For example, anything
I would write would focus a lot on improving
one's own health so they are less sensitive
to the EMF around them.  While an specific
reader may not want to do any of that, and is
really more interested in what EMF meter they
should purchase.

Marc

True, true. I look at this website as
a giant bookstore, filled with aisles and shelves of books-
specifically geared to Electrical Sensitivity.
 And while there are some books written on ES,
where else can we go to find such a  broad selection
of information?
Maybe in the future, we'll have compiled enough
information to be able to neatly break down the
various sensitivities and suggested solutions. In the
meantime, this is a work in progress, with very little
funding, blessed with some tremendously passionate
researchers/scientists/dr/s. (and ES sufferers) who are, as we speak,
probably being bombarded with new insights and
the myriad of ways this untested technology reaks
havoc. I know that we are ALL doing the best we can-
under extroidinary rough circumstances. This, people,
is like a giant jigsaw puzzle...with pieces and answers
all over the place. The piece here, that works for that
person, may not work for someone else. But there is
one thing I am certain of...there is something here
for everyone. Its like a giant buffet...take what you
want, leave what you don't want. And please remember to
thank the chef for putting this all together!
Thank You Marc! I won't ask for your recipe- I'll just
enjoy the buffet!
Lizzie
 

 



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From: [hidden email]
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:29:17 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] A good compile or summary posts


 



> But can you remember stumbling upon a post that
> gave you an answer/solution/idea for your own case?

Also, any "summary" would be woefully inadequate,
because the subject is simply too complicated for
a summary to be very helpful. And anyone who
writes a summary is going to apply their own
personal bias, which may not align with the
reader's personal bias. For example, anything
I would write would focus a lot on improving
one's own health so they are less sensitive
to the EMF around them. While an specific
reader may not want to do any of that, and is
really more interested in what EMF meter they
should purchase.

Marc



     

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> And while there are some books written on ES,
> where else can we go to find such a  broad selection
> of information?

Yes, but for a summary, I think one just needs the
basics.

In such a case, it'd seem that we should just direct
people to our favorite ES websites.  I haven't personally
paid much attention to what websites are out there
these days, although the one website that comes to my
mind is Gilligan Joy's "Overcoming Electrical Sensitivity"
website:

  http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/

But I'm sure that there are other good websites
on the topic... ?

Marc

I am sure there are those rare creatures out there that have gotten over  
ES, but of course the complexity and subjectivity of each case is something
that  would need to be studied in great detail to confirm such a statement -
in my  mind the biggest problem an esser can overcome or rather come to
terms with is  the phychological strain of knowing you are this way in a world
that is going  hell for leathar for wireless and hi-tech everyday gadgets -
many of us learn  that you have to keep calm and carry on and that's part of
the coping  strategy
 
puk
 
 
In a message dated 05/10/2011 22:21:35 GMT Daylight Time,  
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> And while there are some books written on ES,
> where else can  we go to find such a broad selection
> of information?

Yes, but  for a summary, I think one just needs the
basics.

In such a case,  it'd seem that we should just direct
people to our favorite ES websites. I  haven't personally
paid much attention to what websites are out there  
these days, although the one website that comes to my
mind is Gilligan  Joy's "Overcoming Electrical Sensitivity"
website:

_http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/_
(http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/)

But  I'm sure that there are other good websites
on the topic...  ?

Marc





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Those creatures are not rare.
There are persons who are not bothered anymore and lead a *normal* life again.

But there are creatures who refuse improvement, like yourself.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton


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  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 11:06 AM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] A good compile or summary posts


  I am sure there are those rare creatures out there that have gotten over  
  ES, but of course the complexity and subjectivity of each case is something
  that  would need to be studied in great detail to confirm such a statement -
  in my  mind the biggest problem an esser can overcome or rather come to
  terms with is  the phychological strain of knowing you are this way in a world
  that is going  hell for leathar for wireless and hi-tech everyday gadgets -
  many of us learn  that you have to keep calm and carry on and that's part of
  the coping  strategy
   
  puk
   
   
  In a message dated 05/10/2011 22:21:35 GMT Daylight Time,  
  [hidden email] writes:

   
   
   
  > And while there are some books written on ES,
  > where else can  we go to find such a broad selection
  > of information?

  Yes, but  for a summary, I think one just needs the
  basics.

  In such a case,  it'd seem that we should just direct
  people to our favorite ES websites. I  haven't personally
  paid much attention to what websites are out there  
  these days, although the one website that comes to my
  mind is Gilligan  Joy's "Overcoming Electrical Sensitivity"
  website:

  _http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/_
  (http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/)

  But  I'm sure that there are other good websites
  on the topic...  ?

  Marc





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