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ahappyhabitat

Re: A Lap Top question

Do you have a link to the Greenpeace
ratings for EMF emissions and chemicals?

Eli

--- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@...> wrote:

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> You guys make good points... The Greenpeace ratings cover emissions and chemicals, but they are still industry standards, not EHS standards. It's encouraging to see the industry make strides towards safer products though. If those safer products sell, then it moves the industry in the right direction, eh?Â
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> The trouble with making suggestions regarding technology is that it's so clear that people react to things so individually. What's good for one can be anightmare for another. So I look towards general recommendations, then dig from there...Â
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> I'll have to test the Mac Book Pro we have at work... I thought with all the metal, it should protect better from EMR than one made from plastics. You know, it's the old wrap it in aluminum trick. All bets are off when wireless devices are enabled though regardless of the casing!Â With Wifi on, I get skin burns now even several feet away...
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> Eli, are you testing with a meter or body reactions?Â If meter, do you know at what V/m you begin to have symptoms?Â
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> Tim
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> From: ahappyhabitat <ahappyhabitat@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:02 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: A Lap Top question
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> Â
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> Some folks recommend the Macbook pro because
> it doesn't smell and has an aluminum case. But
> I can tell you the 17" Macbook pro with
> an Intel i7 processor is an EMF nightmare. My
> brother bought one, and it's a horror. And Apple
> has a restocking fee so we didn't return it.
>
> I manage to use an HP L2005CU. When it's on Minimal
> Power Management (Win XP) (running on battery) it's
> OK for a short while. That's the only reason I can
> be here now. On full power it burns me up.
>
> When it comes to finding a tolerable laptop it's
> a matter of trial and error.
>
> Eli
>
> --- In [hidden email], e4health@ wrote:
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> > Hello All,
> >
> > So I'm electrically sensitive, can't hold a nook or a kindle. My computer
> > is dying and I'd so love to get a lap top instead of a desk top. Can any
> > of you use lap tops? Will I ever be able to use a lap top?
> >
> > I'd like to hear of some of your experiences. Is one better than another
> > or are they all taboo because of Wi Fi? And do they smell of chemicals
> > when you are charging it up? I'm MCS also.
> >
> > When my old computer, 5 years old, was new I had to put it into a computer
> > box to be able to use it.
> >
> > Lots of questions I know but is there any hope of a lap top for me?
> >
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Estelle
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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C.a.b. Johnson

Cell Tower Map of Mexico?

In reply to this post by ahappyhabitat

Hi folks,

I have a travel question. I am going to Mexico and I need to find out where the cell towers are so I can figure out what hotel to stay in. But, I cannot find a cell tower locator map for Mexico. In the U.S. we have antennasearch.com. Does anyone know if there is site like that for Mexico? I will be in Mexico Citiy for a week and then in S. Mexico. Never been to Mexico before, but all the Hotels I looked at have Wi-FI so I assume the city is a microwave jungle as well.

I had a horrible time on a recent trip to Los Angeles and southern California. What a nightmare that area is for cell towers. I specifically called every hotel beforehand to ask if they had a cell tower on or near the building. Most hotels wee exposed as shown by antennaseach.com. But I found out that you cannot rely on desk clerks to know anything - they are generally clueless about cell towers.

The desk clerk at the Bayview Marriot in Newport Beach, CA said they did not have one nearby. Well lo and behold, when I got there, they put me in a room directly below a cell antenna that were on the roof of that hotel. The room was so hot, as shown by the RH detector I brought with me, that I asked to be relocated to another room. But out of 5 more rooms they showed me all were on fire and I was forced to take the least contaminated room and put up shielding fabrics in the windows and over my blankets. What a nightmare. That also happened in two other hotels I stayed at in S. CA. I tried to get a refund but they wouldn't.

C. Johnson
[hidden email]
Wireless Refugee

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Snoshoe

Re: A Lap Top question

In reply to this post by ahappyhabitat

You might try a pc repair shop, ask if they have any old laptops people decided they didn't want, that could be updated to what you need.

That's how I got mine, kinda lucked out. It's an older Dell, but had a new ?harddrive and Win7 installed. I had them yank out the wifi card totally. It does still have a pretty good emf field, known by radio reception and trifield, but it's not any worse than a tolerable pc, and no smells, cheaper too.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email],

> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > So I'm electrically sensitive, can't hold a nook or a kindle. My computer
> > > is dying and I'd so love to get a lap top instead of a desk top. Can any
> > > of you use lap tops? Will I ever be able to use a lap top?
> > >
> > > I'd like to hear of some of your experiences. Is one better than another
> > > or are they all taboo because of Wi Fi? And do they smell of chemicals
> > > when you are charging it up? I'm MCS also.
> > >
> > > When my old computer, 5 years old, was new I had to put it into a computer
> > > box to be able to use it.
> > >
> > > Lots of questions I know but is there any hope of a lap top for me?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Estelle
> > >

BiBrun

Re: A Lap Top question

In reply to this post by Healthgal

I thought I should mention the eeePC; I've tried the 1000 series, w SSD
disk installed. There is software that keeps the fan off, which is better.
The screen is kind of small (for viewing at distance w/
external keyboard and mouse) , and I'm not saying you won't have symptoms.
But I can use it for a little while at least. Fit-pc I actually reacted
to pretty quickly, though I know someone else who's sensitive and uses it
from a long distance, with shielding.

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:31 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote:

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>
>
> Hello All,
>
> So I'm electrically sensitive, can't hold a nook or a kindle. My computer
> is dying and I'd so love to get a lap top instead of a desk top. Can any
> of you use lap tops? Will I ever be able to use a lap top?
>
> I'd like to hear of some of your experiences. Is one better than another
> or are they all taboo because of Wi Fi? And do they smell of chemicals
> when you are charging it up? I'm MCS also.
>
> When my old computer, 5 years old, was new I had to put it into a computer
> box to be able to use it.
>
> Lots of questions I know but is there any hope of a lap top for me?
>
>
> Thank you.
>
> Estelle
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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C.a.b. Johnson

Re: Cell Tower Map of Mexico?

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Hi folks,

Nobody responded to my question about a CELL TOWER LOCATOR MAP for Mexico. So I have been spending time I don't have Googling around and all I came up with so far is the Google Maps site: http://opensignalmaps.com/ which is pretty good for locating cell towers World-Wide. I am sure some of the people on this list who are not from the U.S, have sites for locating cell towers in their own countries. 'What sites do international list members use to locate cell towers? Looks like my trip to Mexico is going to be a nightmare.

There is also a site that locates Wi-Fi Hotspots World-Wide: www.jiwire.com
Here is a site that locates FREE Wi-Fi Hotspots: http://www.openwifispots.com/

C. Johnson
[hidden email]
Wireless Refugee

--- On Thu, 2/16/12, C.a.b. Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: C.a.b. Johnson <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Cell Tower Map of Mexico?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2012, 8:29 AM

Hi folks,

I have a travel question. I am going to Mexico and I need to find out where the cell towers are so I can figure out what hotel to stay in. But, I cannot find a cell tower locator map for Mexico. In the U.S. we have antennasearch.com. Does anyone know if there is site like that for Mexico? I will be in Mexico Citiy for a week and then in S. Mexico. Never been to Mexico before, but all the Hotels I looked at have Wi-FI so I assume the city is a microwave jungle as well.

I had a horrible time on a recent trip to Los Angeles and southern California. What a nightmare that area is for cell towers. I specifically called every hotel beforehand to ask if they had a cell tower on or near the building. Most hotels wee exposed as shown by antennaseach.com. But I found out that you cannot rely on desk clerks to know anything - they are generally clueless about cell towers.

The desk clerk at the Bayview Marriot in Newport Beach, CA said they did not have one nearby. Well lo and behold, when I got there, they put me in a room directly below a cell antenna that were on the roof of that hotel. The room was so hot, as shown by the RH detector I brought with me, that I asked to be relocated to another room. But out of 5 more rooms they showed me all were on fire and I was forced to take the least contaminated room and put up shielding fabrics in the windows and over my blankets. What a nightmare. That also happened in two other hotels I stayed at in S. CA. I tried to get a refund but they wouldn't.

C. Johnson

[hidden email]

Wireless Refugee

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timbuk2

Re: A Lap Top question

In reply to this post by ahappyhabitat

Hi Eli,

Here's the latest link for the Greenpeace ratings: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/campaigns/climate-change/cool-it/Guide-to-Greener-Electronics/

Thanks for the info about metering. I have a TriField meter too. It was a good starting point, and it gives fairly good results I think, except for the RF range. For RF I got an Acoustimeter and have been very happy with it, although it was spendy. I may look for a lower frequency Gigahertz Solutions meter at some point too...

Tim

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From: ahappyhabitat <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 8:14 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: A Lap Top question

Do you have a link to the Greenpeace
ratings for EMF emissions and chemicals?

Eli

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