4G Technology

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> I don't know any studies on the harmful effects of 4G!
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> This is one article on Wimax/4G being launched somewhere in Sweden and people not liking it:
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> http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/12/swedes-hit-hard-by-wimax-waves/
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> This is a good text on 4G (in Europe) and about the different technologies that are named 4G:
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> http://www.capgemini.com/insights-and-resources/by-publication/3G-4G_strategies_\
> for_operators_in_europe/
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> (register and then download the pdf is very easy and it is worthwhile)
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> There are 3 technologies named 4G. The 2 most important are Wimax and LTE.
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> Wimax is already present in the UK, and in many countries, but mostly only very local, in the major cities,... and mostly not nation-wide,
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> Nationwide 4G (probably LTE) will take some time in the UK, a good source on this:
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> http://www.telecoms.com/21754/uk-outlines-plans-to-auction-4g-spectrum/
> However, ongoing delays have put the country behind other parts of Western Europe and operators are unlikely to get their hands on the attractive 2.6GHz band before 2012.
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> I've read in Germany 4G LTE is recently active and will be almost everywhere nation-wide by the end of 2011:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/06/german_lte/
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> For Flanders/Brussels/Belgium, normally they're selling the licence for 4G by the end of this year.
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> Stephen.
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> > Can anyone direct me to some appropriate sites about the new emerging 4G wireless technology. It appears that this is intended to replace the current 3G technology. I wonder how much worse this is than 3G. I read that there are two transmission technologies used for 4G, but I dont know the transmission spectrums. How are the transmission towers set up and do they require the same number of towers than 3G or more? I really dread this new technology.
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> I really feel you...are you in the U.S.?  I guess 5G will be the next craze.  I'm in NJ and I'm trying to figure out how to deal with these solar panels that they've put in front of many houses,  schools, businesses and municipal buildings.  I guess they must be 4G, as well.  I get fried on almost every street now.  No one ever asked anyone's permission.  They have only been up for about 6 to 10 months with the complete arrays only about 6 to 8 months.  Most people do not notice these things.  If they don't feel them (most don't), they won't see them.  For me, these solar panels have replaced cell phone masts as the most annoying frequencies because they are almost everywhere amping up everything. 
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> I guess I won't find that discussion online here until the new system finds its way into your communities.  I wonder if they are a part of the new Smart Meter technology.  I recall hearing that they were apart of the "smart grid" technology.  You all are in for quite a treat with this technology.  It's like frying in WIFI but a few times stronger, 24/7- down almost every block.  Oh here's the clinch...
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> PSE&G had the contract with Petra Solar to place 200,000 in municipalities throughout NJ back in early summer. Then in around July, they contracted with AT&T to set-up a wireless connection between each panel. I walk, which is utterly loathsome--but technically, driving is equally bothersome in this "brave new world."  
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> Maybe we should each wait to see where it all ends up, because it seems that as soon as we catch up with a new technology...the next is waiting in the wings to dwarf that one. 
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> Hang in there my people...strap yourselves in... It's going to be quite a ride~ Love you guys!
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> From: alstrup@... <alstrup@...>
> Subject: [eSens] 4G Technology
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> Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 2:37 PM
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> Can anyone direct me to some appropriate sites about the new emerging 4G wireless technology. It appears that this is intended to replace the current 3G technology. I wonder how much worse this is than 3G. I read that there are two transmission technologies used for 4G, but I dont know the transmission spectrums. How are the transmission towers set up and do they require the same number of towers than 3G or more? I really dread this new technology.
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> I really feel you...are you in the U.S.?  I guess 5G will be the next craze. 
>I'm in NJ and I'm trying to figure out how to deal with these solar panels
>that they've put in front of many houses,  schools, businesses and municipal
>buildings.  I guess they must be 4G, as well.  I get fried on almost every
>street now.  No one ever asked anyone's permission.  They have only been up
>for about 6 to 10 months with the complete arrays only about 6 to 8 months. 
>Most people do not notice these things.  If they don't feel them (most don't),
>they won't see them.  For me, these solar panels have replaced cell phone masts
>as the most annoying frequencies because they are almost everywhere amping up
>everything. 
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> I guess I won't find that discussion online here until the new system finds its
>way into your communities.  I wonder if they are a part of the new Smart Meter
>technology.  I recall hearing that they were apart of the "smart grid"
>technology.  You all are in for quite a treat with this technology.  It's like
>frying in WIFI but a few times stronger, 24/7- down almost every block.  Oh
>here's the clinch...
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> PSE&G had the contract with Petra Solar to place 200,000 in municipalities
>throughout NJ back in early summer. Then in around July, they contracted with
>AT&T to set-up a wireless connection between each panel. I walk, which is
>utterly loathsome--but technically, driving is equally bothersome in
>this "brave new world."  
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> Maybe we should each wait to see where it all ends up, because it seems that
>as soon as we catch up with a new technology...the next is waiting in the wings
>to dwarf that one. 
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> Hang in there my people...strap yourselves in... It's going to be quite a
>ride~ Love you guys!
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> --- On Mon, 2/28/11, alstrup@... <alstrup@...> wrote:
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> From: alstrup@... <alstrup@...>
> Subject: [eSens] 4G Technology
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 2:37 PM
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> Can anyone direct me to some appropriate sites about the new emerging 4G
>wireless technology. It appears that this is intended to replace the current 3G
>technology. I wonder how much worse this is than 3G. I read that there are two
>transmission technologies used for 4G, but I dont know the transmission
>spectrums. How are the transmission towers set up and do they require the same
>number of towers than 3G or more? I really dread this new technology.
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>way into your communities. I wonder if they are a part of the new Smart Meter
>technology. I recall hearing that they were apart of the "smart grid"
>technology. You all are in for quite a treat with this technology. It's like
>frying in WIFI but a few times stronger, 24/7- down almost every block. Oh
>here's the clinch...
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> PSE&G had the contract with Petra Solar to place 200,000 in municipalities
>throughout NJ back in early summer. Then in around July, they contracted with
>AT&T to set-up a wireless connection between each panel. I walk, which is
>utterly loathsome--but technically, driving is equally bothersome in
>this "brave new world." Â
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> Maybe we should each wait to see where it all ends up, because it seems that
>as soon as we catch up with a new technology...the next is waiting in the wings

>to dwarf that one.Â
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> Hang in there my people...strap yourselves in... It's going to be quite a
>ride~Â Love you guys!
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> --- On Mon, 2/28/11, alstrup@... <alstrup@...> wrote:
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> Subject: [eSens] 4G Technology
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> Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 2:37 PM
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>technology. I wonder how much worse this is than 3G. I read that there are two
>transmission technologies used for 4G, but I dont know the transmission
>spectrums. How are the transmission towers set up and do they require the same
>number of towers than 3G or more? I really dread this new technology.
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> No, Wimax is quite a different system.
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> Wimax works on the 3,5 GHz frequency band, and is meant for internet.
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> 4G is the successor for 3 G, and works on the 800 MHz and on the 2,6 GHz frequency band.
> On the 800 MHz band it is meant for stationairy use, on the 2,6 GHz band it is meant for mobile use.
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> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
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>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Ole Alstrup
>   To: [hidden email]
>   Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:48 PM
>   Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: 4G Technology
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>   Thanks to those who sent all the links - tons of stuff to go through - a bit
>   overwhelming - could someone make it short and "sweet" for me right now?
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>   Basically I want to know:
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>   * The preferred transmission system for 4G is Wimax?
>   * Are new cellular towers to be put up for 4G and are these just as many or
>   more than the number of 3G towers?
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>   From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
>   To: [hidden email]
>   Sent: Thu, 3 March, 2011 13:05:09
>   Subject: [eSens] Re: 4G Technology
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>   28 FEB 2011
>   Jerusalem:
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>   Officials say upgrading infrastructure to for 4G cellular phones could
>   increase use of such technologies and increase public's exposure to
>   radiation.
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>   The Health and Environmental Protection ministries told the
>   Communications Ministry on Sunday that they will oppose the expansion
>   of cellular phone infrastructure to accommodate "fourth-generation"
>   (4G) devices, at least until any health effects from the radiation are
>   examined in depth.
>   Source: http://www.jpost.com/Health/Article.aspx?id=210138
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>   --- In [hidden email], pamela clemonts <adiaha22@> wrote:
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>   > I really feel you...are you in the U.S.? I guess 5G will be the next craze.Â
>   >I'm in NJ and I'm trying to figure out how to deal with these solar panels
>   >that they've put in front of many houses, schools, businesses and municipal
>   >buildings. I guess they must be 4G, as well. I get fried on almost every
>   >street now. No one ever asked anyone's permission. They have only been up
>   >for about 6 to 10 months with the complete arrays only about 6 to 8 months.Â
>   >Most people do not notice these things. If they don't feel them (most don't),
>   >they won't see them. For me, these solar panels have replaced cell phone masts
>   >as the most annoying frequencies because they are almost everywhere amping up
>   >everything.Â
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>   > I guess I won't find that discussion online here until the new system finds its
>   >way into your communities. I wonder if they are a part of the new Smart Meter
>   >technology. I recall hearing that they were apart of the "smart grid"
>   >technology. You all are in for quite a treat with this technology. It's like
>   >frying in WIFI but a few times stronger, 24/7- down almost every block. Oh
>   >here's the clinch...
>   > Â
>   > PSE&G had the contract with Petra Solar to place 200,000 in municipalities
>   >throughout NJ back in early summer. Then in around July, they contracted with
>   >AT&T to set-up a wireless connection between each panel. I walk, which is
>   >utterly loathsome--but technically, driving is equally bothersome in
>   >this "brave new world." Â
>   > Â
>   > Maybe we should each wait to see where it all ends up, because it seems that
>   >as soon as we catch up with a new technology...the next is waiting in the wings
>   >to dwarf that one.Â
>   > Â
>   > Hang in there my people...strap yourselves in... It's going to be quite a
>   >ride~Â Love you guys!
>   > Â
>   > --- On Mon, 2/28/11, alstrup@ <alstrup@> wrote:
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>   > From: alstrup@ <alstrup@>
>   > Subject: [eSens] 4G Technology
>   > To: [hidden email]
>   > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 2:37 PM
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>   > Can anyone direct me to some appropriate sites about the new emerging 4G
>   >wireless technology. It appears that this is intended to replace the current 3G
>   >technology. I wonder how much worse this is than 3G. I read that there are two
>   >transmission technologies used for 4G, but I dont know the transmission
>   >spectrums. How are the transmission towers set up and do they require the same
>   >number of towers than 3G or more? I really dread this new technology.
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> > So are you saying that 4G is a lower frequency than 3G?  Loni
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> With Verizon in the USA, this appears to be true:
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>   Verizon 3G: 800 Mhz or 1900 Mhz
>   Verizon 4G: 700 Mhz
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> Lower frequencies have better penetration through walls...
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