wireless computer

for those of you that can use your computer. How do y
ou set it up so you can use it and the cpu unit and
the keyboard don't bother you with tingling in your
hands and feet.
please send me instructions how I can use my computer
and sit far away. thanks

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for those of you that can use your computer. How do y
ou set it up so you can use it and the cpu unit and
the keyboard don't bother you with tingling in your
hands and feet.
please send me instructions how I can use my computer
and sit far away. thanks




I would sugesst using a laptop on battery for as long as possible and
connecting to this a small LCD screen, and keyboard and then sit back as far as
your eyes and arms will let you. That said I have this setup using a 17inch LCD
and I get burn/irritation from this almost imediately, I just suffer while I
am on it and for some time thereafter. We must not loose site of good
ergonomics here so set your system up so as not to cause undue strain to any part
of your anatomy, there is nothing worse than getting RSI on top of ES, and in
my view becuase of the deliterious effects of EMFS we will be more prone to
developing musculoskeletal problems as our bodies will not repair the
cumulative damage done quick enough !

Paul UK






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> I would sugesst using a laptop on battery for as long as possible and
> connecting to this a small LCD screen

Well, there are variations between people... I find a laptop more
intolerable than a desktop, and an LCD screen more intolerable
than a CRT!

My suggestion is to keep everything except the mouse/keyboard as far
away from you as possible. Buy some longer keyboard/mouse/monitor
cables if necessary. Lower your monitor resolution so you can see
it from a distance. Use older technology rather than newer. You
may even find using a PS/2 keyboard and mouse easier to tolerate
than USB, or a mechanical ball mouse easier to tolerate than an
optical mouse!

Also for me, EMF protection devices (Quantum Byte, Quantum Power
Strip, Springlife Pendant) are essential.

Marc

--- In [hidden email], Irene Dickerson <iedbunnie@...> wrote:
>
> for those of you that can use your computer. How do y
> ou set it up so you can use it and the cpu unit and
> the keyboard don't bother you with tingling in your
> hands and feet.
> please send me instructions how I can use my computer
> and sit far away. thanks
>

Here's a description of my computer setup:

www.ahappyhabitat.com/computer.html

--- In [hidden email], Irene Dickerson <iedbunnie@...> wrote:
>
> for those of you that can use your computer. How do y
> ou set it up so you can use it and the cpu unit and
> the keyboard don't bother you with tingling in your
> hands and feet.
> please send me instructions how I can use my computer
> and sit far away. thanks
>

I'd also add snap-on RF chokes onto the extension cords Marc
recommended. They can really help cut down on high frequency signals
transmitted up the cords into the mouse and keyboard.

Here's an offering from Radio Shack:

Snap-Together Ferrite Choke Core $5.29 (USD)
http://tinyurl.com/2p48t8

-Beau

> I'd also add snap-on RF chokes onto the extension cords Marc
> recommended. They can really help cut down on high frequency signals
> transmitted up the cords into the mouse and keyboard.

I've noticed that several of my cables have chokes built into
them, but I have never bought any add-on chokes. Do you find
that these cut down on ES symptoms? I assume they should
be placed far away from you (close to the computer) ? Is
there any benefit to adding 2 or more chokes per cable?
Does anyone know which frequencies are reduced, by how much,
and where does the noise "go" ?

Marc (in need of a class called "Chokes 101")

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
Marc, I've had good reduction in the RF coming off my keyboard and
mouse since I placed chokes on my extension cables. This has allowed
me longer times on my computer without significant ES symptoms. I had
to experiment as the cables have antenna qualities as well and can
pick up radiated RF from the computer or elsewhere. I settled on
about half way between the PC setup and my keyboard area.

-Beau

> Marc, I've had good reduction in the RF coming off my keyboard and
> mouse since I placed chokes on my extension cables. This has allowed
> me longer times on my computer without significant ES symptoms.

Interesting!

I see that the Radio Shack website is all sold out of these snap-on
ferrite cores, however, I see that this website describes all sorts
of models:

http://ferrishield.com/

And this brand can be purchased online from:

http://www.alliedelec.com

Marc

Are these for all cables connected to computers? I have one from the
monitor to a plug socket, one from the tower to the plug socket and
one from the monitor to the tower. Do these chokes work for all of
these?

Richard



--- In [hidden email], "bbin37" <netfarer2@...> wrote:
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> >
> > > I'd also add snap-on RF chokes onto the extension cords Marc
> > > recommended. They can really help cut down on high frequency
signals allowed
> me longer times on my computer without significant ES symptoms. I
had
> to experiment as the cables have antenna qualities as well and can
> pick up radiated RF from the computer or elsewhere. I settled on
> about half way between the PC setup and my keyboard area.
>
> -Beau
>

Sorry this is not directly related to ES, but as many ES people also have
MCS we hope to get some helpful feedback!

Sue and I moved house after I lost my job and had to relocate. Our new
house is very nice but we did want to do some redecoration. We arranged for
this to be done while Sue was away at her parents for an extended period and
I ventilated it well until I couldn't smell anything. However, now that she
has arrived she is suffering a reaction. As far as we can tell:

- All the painted walls are fine, no problem
- New bedroom carpet (manmade fibre, steam cleaned after laying) is OK
- New study carpet (manade fibre, not cleam cleaned) is OK
- New lounge carpet (wool based, steam cleaned after laying) is giving her
major problems. Sue can smell something off it and gets nose irritation and
some "brain fog" from longer exposure. I can't smell anything at all, not
being MCS/ES myself.

This is not what we expected at all - most advice we received was that the
synthetic carpets were more likely to be a problem. We wonder if the dye
might be a culprit - it is a darkish green.

Can anyone offer any explanation. Even more helpful, can anyone give any
advice on what we could do?

Thanks, Ian





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I feel for you as its so complex this issue of environmental induced
illness. I get a reaxtion from my fathers house of late which I put down to mould
which at one point due to dampness took a grip of the house. I to am badly
ES. Perhaps sue is reaCting to a natural protein in the carpet from the wool or
perhaps Organo phospates from sheep dip (now many parts per million), who
knows ? perhaps ironically the steam clean has leached it out and allowed it to
volatise to air. Has she tried coating her nostrils with vaseline for a
while ? The olfactory system as you know is extremely evolved and her negative
association with a smell may be the main problem, how can we calm/desensitize
this reaction - The million dollar question !

the only practical solution I can think of is to get as much fresh air as
possible in the room or perhaps as a diversion some flowers/plants with scents
that she can tolerate....

Paul uk






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> the only practical solution I can think of is to get as much fresh air as
> possible in the room or perhaps as a diversion some flowers/plants with scents
> that she can tolerate....

Or remove the carpet and replace it with something else...

...or use an ozone-type air cleaner...

Marc

> Or remove the carpet and replace it with something else...
>
> ...or use an ozone-type air cleaner...

Oh! and there is such a thing as a carpet-sealant, which
slows down the offgassing. AFM Safecoat makes this...

Marc

Yes, carpets may give problems.

Even carpets from 100 % wool can give very small particles into the air, on
which sensible persons may react.

And I even measured very high air electricity with a 100 % wool carpet,
which is normally the case with plastic fibers or surfaces.

So hidden dangers may lurk from many unsuspected corners.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Kemp" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 00:15
Subject: RE: [eSens] Carpets and MCS

I've had to install new synthetic carpret in my house, and it takes 3-6
months before I can really tolerate it. I find that shampooing it with an
carpet machine 3 times seems to take alot of the chemical out of it - 3rd
time is the charm.

On 5/8/07, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:


--
Paul Coffman


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I had a round, 100% wool with natural fiber backing on it. It
bothered me more than all the older synthetic rugs I ever had. I
finally got rid of it. That was a disappointment and waste of funds.

I learned later what chemicals were added, although I don't recall
now. Formaldehyde is likely one of them. Sorry for no specifics
right now, except I can tell you it isn't truly all "natural".  

I just experienced a disappointment with some clearance organic
sheets I bought. They were loaded with chemical sizing and whatever
else, formaldehyde again being part. I don't know how they can label
the fabric organic when it obviously no longer is. Like all new
fabrics it had to be washed a good four times to be tolerable,
although they are nice and soft. Like most treated fabrics though,
it likely will never all come out, just as the flame retardants added
to children's sleepwear. :(

~ Snoshoe


--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>

> - New lounge carpet (wool based, steam cleaned after laying) is
giving her
> major problems. Sue can smell something off it and gets nose
irritation and
> some "brain fog" from longer exposure. I can't smell anything at
all, not
> being MCS/ES myself.

Does anyone know which type of these ferrite cores are best for
computer cables? Do they need to operate upto the 1GHZ range?

I've found some on this site, does anyone know if these are the right
sort to get?

http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?
ITAG=FAQ&ModuleNo=32799&doy=3m6#faq


--- In [hidden email], "bbin37" <netfarer2@...> wrote: signals
> transmitted up the cords into the mouse and keyboard.
>
> Here's an offering from Radio Shack:
>
> Snap-Together Ferrite Choke Core $5.29 (USD)
> http://tinyurl.com/2p48t8
>
> -Beau
>

Hello all,

I have had to not type for some time now. Typing is what brings on
symptoms for me. But I follow a bit.

Ferrites: grab a lot of them and experiment, its the only way.
If you go to Ferrishield www.ferrishield.com, you will find the different
ranges, 30 MHz,
700 MHz, 2.4 GHz. You might find a distributor and try sticking them
everywhere. I wonder if in my case the use of the keyboard affecting
me might be due to fingers touching the keyboard, completing the circuit,
sending all EMF to a keyboard which is essentially a loop antenna.

I had high hopes for the laser beam virtual keyboard:
www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/

Unfortunately for me I could not get good enough speed of the typing due
to what seemed to me to be manufacturing issues. I can hire it to anyone
for 10 USD + new battery + postage if they want to try it. I don't have it
with me now but can get it at some weeks notice. It really should have
some effect somewhere.

I have been very happy indeed to see the LED backlight computer monitor
efforts by Jaime. Its great. If we can prove for ten people this works,
we need to rock with it. More on this:

I had a solid design effort at a shielded computer system some years ago,
following on from the work of others around the world that you can
find (bemi Sweden, Bruce McLaren USA arizona aztap, tempest and others).
Ran out of money.

Synthesised with others + my work, my attempt at solution:

Monitor separate, with DVI input, 12 V car battery power, LED backlight
was desired. FIBER OPTIC DVI LINK between monitor and keyboard. These
are now affordable. Alternatively, big screen 60" rear pro with HDMI input
converted to the DVI. This almost completely electrically isolates the
CPU box from the monitor. Fiber optics. Important because cuts the
ground loop between the monitor and cpu.

With small led monitor from Jaime, place it in a shielded enclosure
with the car battery (don't get electrocuted!). Shielded enclosure design:
I can help here. Front
screen made with good quality wire mesh. Box made of metal and some
ferrite absorber. Back screen lower grade magnetic shielding to direct
mag field backwards. High perm mag shielding alloys. I have a basic
prototype box, but the screen visibility is not good enough, just
awaiting upgrade. Little vent to suck out smells.

Extra adds to Jaime's led monitor: some more ferrites, filtering on
different voltages of backlight screens etc.

CPU box: as Jaime, wrap in mag shield, run off car battery- laptop, low
power design. Filters on power circuitry in laptop.
Previously we had a post saying Xeon's were good to get rid of ELF stutter
if you search on 'xeon'. Good idea. New low power CPUs have stutter.
Remote them, everything but KVM in another room.

KVM: infrared for starters. Or somebody elses ideas. It is important to
cut all metal connections between the user and the monitor and the
computer for es.
You can now get USB 2.0 fiber converter. Its expensive. Run the KVM off
that. USB 1.1 fiber converter is cheap to run a modem, I've got one. I
would get symptoms of a hard disk free tiny little palm top that had
integrated 56k modem.

Evidence from all seems to be the VLF elec or magnetic may be of issue,
need to slash it to 0.2 V/m at user. Xeon mentioned that worked best had
a special voltage regulator unlike all other intel chips at the time.

That is just one prototype. Then there are things like little handhelds.
There are new ultra low voltage Pentiums like a toshiba libretto U100
which
already has a led backlight, but you have to use them next to yourself.

This task is significant. I think somehow we need to work together.

If people have read this far, I think they should ask themselves: how much
money, financial income, have you lost in the past 5 years due to this
condition? How many thousand? How much would you pay for a solution?

But when everybody works in dribs and drabs, we can't get things
harnessed. Recently Prof Graham seems to be nailing his VLF signatures at
cancer cluster sites such as LaQuinta high school. I got the University
building to run logging tests with extra meters on their cluster site in
Melbourne and
they returned 10 fold higher readings. Its all too slow.

1,000 people.
$1,000 membership per year.
$1,000,0000 budget per year.

International type organisation funding researchers on the ground
to target their efforts towards electrosensitivity and electromagnetic
involvement in cancer clusters.
We have the Brits doing their work, Alisdair Phillips, Eileen
O'connor, Rod Read and the organisations. The US are working on the ground
currents
and getting meters done. The other Europeans doing a lot of work. Charles
and the building biologists. The
Japanese building retreats and organising. But when you want to grab
20 electrosensitive guinea pigs and run some tests and develop some
gear, the funding is taken away, and the electrosenstives are hard to
find. I think that we personally need to fund
studies our self. Rapid release, online and in print. No need for a
qualification, just a good idea, and there are plenty around here.
Recently, a
researcher over here showed heart anomalies on magnetic field. Took him
2 years to get it published and his colleagues turned on him. Equipment
is expensive. $20,000 to get set up with proper metering. But once its
done, it works.

GS meters: we need to plug them into 60 homes, 30 electrosensitive, and
let them run, continuously logged. Continuously log the sleep. Its not
hard to modify that meter
for logging. It is cheap to do this. It does not cost $500,000. It can
be done on a shoestring.

I organised a study years ago on a homeopaths test to see if it worked. 30
subjects, took me 1 month. Proved his test useless, but his mate's voodoo
test distinguished between the CFS and normals. Not followed up.

We need to: test sleep habits of those wearing gauss meters, check GS
readings at cancer cluster houses, check symptoms on lower radiation
computers, test sleep under 10 separate 3G towers, do heart rate magnetic
field
provocation tests, blood glucose tests. We need to cross check dowsers
signatures with EMF signatures with mold presence. We need volunteers
and paid people. We need to know about chemicals.

Universities will not fund this. And the talented ones who want to need
our money.

Imagine a special fax service where from anywhere in the world you
could send in handwritten notes and they would transcribe for you for a
set fee per message and fax back to you all of your posts so that you
don't have to switch a computer on. Less hangover effect.

2 years of successful provocation tests by people at the leading edge
will get computers in the noisy form, and DECT phones, out of our homes
and offices.

I'd put down $1,000 for that per year.

Set a goal. 1000 names on a list. Here. Nobody pays in until we hit
the thousand, then its on.

This takes price pressure of the good meter builders who are helping
us out, runs shielding users out of the business who create inappropriate
reflections, and lines the pockets of our future and not a retailer
who gives nothing back- but it keeps those who shield properly. It makes 5
lots of $100,000 grants available
for annual major projects in any country, and five lots of 20,000 for
those researchers who need a helping hand, and ten lots of 10,000 for
the product developers with a good idea. It eventually takes
electrosensitives out of
refuges in Japan or wherever they have vanished to and puts them back in
the population. It funds basics and info packs for activist groups. It
makes available for hire the best quality meters for those who need to
do serious tests, and then for free for those who find the results. It
pays for the FedEx shipping. And if three quarters of it gets wasted, who
cares.

For those who are worried about intelectual property, membership must
give some form of reward. However the reward of rapid information exchange
is worth far more than short term financial gain. What happens when your
strongly electrosensitive and you get in a new fangled radio controlled
car? What happens when fluorescent lights become compulsory? The radiowave
water meter. What about the electrorefugees? What happens
when that cheap internet front end has price matched the lowest price
on the internet, the good guys are put out of business, and you can
no longer get proper data from anyone on what readings are really being
found? Manufacturers could up front declare so much money on every sale
is donated to this union; electrosensitives could preferentially purchase
there at their option.

Sure in 6 years time, the financial bottom has fallen out of it. But by
then, the problems are solved and the ball is rolling. A multinational
funding source to counter a multinational problem. Would you spend $6,000
on this? I would.

If we want to get good ideas like led monitors through to completion,
we need the funding to make it worth our while. I would not hesitate to
spend $10,000 on a computer solution that allows me to use it without
turning into a zombie. But I can't possibly afford to spend that on 6
separate prototypes. Although I would if I knew they would eventually
work.

I have gone on a lot. And we are hampered primarily by our inability
to properly communicate in this new communications age. Possibly if
enough well enough people can handle the admin on a shoestring, in
multiple countries, we can russle up the money for a union.

I read a disturbing book. Jennifer Government. The blurb says it all.
Somebody is murdered by a corporation. The family can only get the
murder investigated if they pay the government Federal policeman the cost
of the investigation. They had to sell the house. The local policemen
who looked into it, outsourced the investigation to someone else. A
sick user pays world. Hurricane Katrina. They weren't worth enough
money and now they're dead. I think we need to pay for this in our
amateurish fashion that has worked well so far, just not quickly enough.

By the way, the only computer that worked better for me out of 10 tried
is an IBM thinkpad a20M and I have no idea why. I'll tell you if I find
out.

Best regards,

the Rowst.
Depollute
Towards solutions for epollution.

--- In [hidden email], "richsurf77" <richgrav@...> wrote:

Hi Marc,

Read an old post of yours asking re Quantum products.

Just installed the trial version of Quantum Byte. Couldn't find any
Quantum Power Strips advertised anywhere, however. Not even Quantum's
own website.

??

Aline

> Also for me, EMF protection devices (Quantum Byte, Quantum Power
> Strip, Springlife Pendant) are essential.
>
> Marc

> Just installed the trial version of Quantum Byte. Couldn't find any
> Quantum Power Strips advertised anywhere, however. Not even Quantum's
> own website.

They call it a "Quantum Power Conditioner" (I call it a "power strip")

http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_power.html

Marc