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> The whole reason for this rant is, after doing about 6 or 7 liver flushes,
> I've learned they aren't so simple as touted. Yes, they're not that simple... and potentially dangerous, if it puts a stone somewhere it shouldn't be. One could just bypass the whole "liver flush" thing and just take daily doses of things that soften / dissolve stones. I can think of a few supplements designed for that sort of thing -- "Stone Free" by Planetary Formulas and "AF Betafood" by Standard Process. Marc |
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> I have some other questions. My doc recommends a1 qt. of straight t or diluted
> apple juice w ultra phos liquid & malic acid caps for 3 days & then > flushing w 1/2 cup olive oil > > I'd like to hear how you did it w lemon juice. Well, you're probably better off reading something in a book or on the web, since it's been many years since I've even thought about doing a liver flush! But as I recall, you can drink lots of apple juice during the week before the flush to soften the stones/get rid of sharp edges that might do damage on the way out (if you can stand the sugar, that is). Then hours prior to the flush, you down some epsom salts in water. Then, the actual flush itself is olive oil + lemon juice. Chug it down, then lie down in a certain way to enhance the flush. This is ideally done just before going to bed. Then in the morning, you could do an enema to get the stuff out of you ASAP. I can recall feeling absolutely horrible overnight after doing this, and I may have even vomited because of it. These days, I just opt to do the supplements over a long period of time... Marc |
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I'm dreading the whole experience, especially the nauseated & vomiting part. What kind of supplements flush the liver? I guess you'd have to eat a light. Kathy From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Re: [eSens] Liver flush Then, the actual flush itself is olive oil + lemon juice. Chug it down, then lie down in a certain way to enhance the flush. This is ideally done just before going to bed. I can recall feeling absolutely horrible overnight after doing this, and I may have even vomited because of it. These days, I just opt to do the supplements over a long period of time... Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Sorry for asking about the sups, w.o reading this email. I am doing a 3 week parasite cleanse now. It's a bit nauseating. Not getting much result. I'll ask a practitioner about the supplements. I don't want to mess things up & have them get stuck. I don't have my gallbladder any longer, but understand there could be stones in the liver. Kathy From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Liver flush > The whole reason for this rant is, after doing about 6 or 7 liver flushes, > I've learned they aren't so simple as touted. Yes, they're not that simple... and potentially dangerous, if it puts a stone somewhere it shouldn't be. One could just bypass the whole "liver flush" thing and just take daily doses of things that soften / dissolve stones. I can think of a few supplements designed for that sort of thing -- "Stone Free" by Planetary Formulas and "AF Betafood" by Standard Process. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Andrew,
Thank you very much for all your experience. All the possilbe complications bother me. I do not have my gallbladder any longer, but realize stones can be lodged in the liver. What do you think of fa lighter flush w the juice, diet & supplements? I'll do some further reading online. Kathy From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Liver flush Realize that when you do a "liver flush" or gall stone flush, you are pumping your gall bladder so it will expel stones out the bile duct and some liver pathways. Stones and mostly particles, debris, dead matter, WILL be deposited throughout the duct system and may be lodged if the stones aren't softened enough by 4 or 5 days of apple juice or stone softener (Phos drops). If you have yellow eyes the week after the flush, you probably blocked the tubes and bilirubin is building up in your system. Make sure you do some sort of bug killing (colloidal silver, ozonate the olive oil for 30-45 minutes prior to ingestion, etc) with this flush as the stones will break up/dissolve on the way out and may/will get lodged in the intestines or colon. Do lots of magnesium a day or two before the flush to get the colon entirely empty and then again afterwards to get the colon flushed out. Getting a colonic is even better to wash the debris out. The whole reason for this rant is, after doing about 6 or 7 liver flushes, I've learned they aren't so simple as touted. Clean the system out before and afterwards. You'll need to do 2 or 3 to get all the stones over a few months and then the stones will come back in a few years. Annual flushes are best so you catch the stones as they are small. There are many recipes online. Be smart. with love, Andrew [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I wouldn't think about any quick actions but longer term practices. Yes, juicing beets and other good liver supporting veggies and supplements (glutathione creams, powders, milk thistle, etc) are good. I am not sure about the quick liver stone dissolving herbs. Stone Free may work. Lemons work well on Kidney stones.
I am more for dissolving them over time and not pushing them out all at once. It is asking for problems/complications. Andrew On Oct 8, 2011, at 11:33 PM, KathyB wrote: > Andrew, > > Thank you very much for all your experience. All the possilbe complications bother me. > I do not have my gallbladder any longer, > but realize stones can be lodged in the liver. > > > What do you think of fa lighter flush w the juice, diet & supplements? > > I'll do some further reading online. > > Kathy > > > From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Liver flush > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Realize that when you do a "liver flush" or gall stone flush, you are pumping your gall bladder so it will expel stones out the bile duct and some liver pathways. Stones and mostly particles, debris, dead matter, WILL be deposited throughout the duct system and may be lodged if the stones aren't softened enough by 4 or 5 days of apple juice or stone softener (Phos drops). > > If you have yellow eyes the week after the flush, you probably blocked the tubes and bilirubin is building up in your system. > > > > Make sure you do some sort of bug killing (colloidal silver, ozonate the olive oil for 30-45 minutes prior to ingestion, etc) with this flush as the stones will break up/dissolve on the way out and may/will get lodged in the intestines or colon. > > > > Do lots of magnesium a day or two before the flush to get the colon entirely empty and then again afterwards to get the colon flushed out. Getting a colonic is even better to wash the debris out. > > > > The whole reason for this rant is, after doing about 6 or 7 liver flushes, I've learned they aren't so simple as touted. > > Clean the system out before and afterwards. You'll need to do 2 or 3 to get all the stones over a few months and then the stones will come back in a few years. Annual flushes are best so you catch the stones as they are small. > > > > There are many recipes online. Be smart. > > > > with love, > > Andrew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > |
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Maybe I haven't come across the correct description page on your website, or something is getting lost in translation, but what exactly are these figures the machine is measuring in relation to these body parameters? And where are you getting these grades from? Just curious. Sean. --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Hello Sean, > > the machine *reads* and the computer spits out the data. > > Of course for evaluation, one has to read carefully. > There are given tolerances, where you are supposed to be within. > And when you are outside, there are grades of severity. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: seandaly33 > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 12:47 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: website > > > > > > > > Hello, > > On your webpage: > > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina301.html > > you seem to be saying that all of the body parameters that you have listed will be able "to be measured on the body in no time", in reaction to EMFs. How exactly will you go about doing that, as you have listed a lot of medical markers for different organs, etc.This would seem a lot of work? > > > Sean. > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > there is information at: > > > > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina301.html > > > > and > > > > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina401.html > > > > With that I succeeded to reduce the sensitivity of my wife, who was a heavy electrosensitive person 5 years ago, with some 95%. She now lives a *normal* life, amidst a lot of elektrosmog in the city. > > > > And I succeeded to raise also the immune system with other persons. They feel better. > > > > Of course you will think that I am a quack, but the jerry's say: *Wer heilt hat recht!*. > > (He who heals, is right!) > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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You have to fill in your age, gender, height and weight.
Then the program gives tolerances where you should stay within. The farther you are outside, you are unhealthier. By weekly measuring, we can see improvements. But the point is, that I can measure the influence of elektrosmog. That it negatively influences the health status. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: seandaly33 To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:40 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: website Maybe I haven't come across the correct description page on your website, or something is getting lost in translation, but what exactly are these figures the machine is measuring in relation to these body parameters? And where are you getting these grades from? Just curious. Sean. --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Hello Sean, > > the machine *reads* and the computer spits out the data. > > Of course for evaluation, one has to read carefully. > There are given tolerances, where you are supposed to be within. > And when you are outside, there are grades of severity. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: seandaly33 > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 12:47 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: website > > > > > > > > Hello, > > On your webpage: > > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina301.html > > you seem to be saying that all of the body parameters that you have listed will be able "to be measured on the body in no time", in reaction to EMFs. How exactly will you go about doing that, as you have listed a lot of medical markers for different organs, etc.This would seem a lot of work? > > > Sean. > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > there is information at: > > > > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina301.html > > > > and > > > > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina401.html > > > > With that I succeeded to reduce the sensitivity of my wife, who was a heavy electrosensitive person 5 years ago, with some 95%. She now lives a *normal* life, amidst a lot of elektrosmog in the city. > > > > And I succeeded to raise also the immune system with other persons. They feel better. > > > > Of course you will think that I am a quack, but the jerry's say: *Wer heilt hat recht!*. > > (He who heals, is right!) > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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So this machine gives out the tolerances for the body parameters that a person should be within. But in terms of measuring all of these body parameter, such as your example of liver fat content, etc, I am presuming that individual medical methods for all of the parameters are needed? --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > You have to fill in your age, gender, height and weight. > > Then the program gives tolerances where you should stay within. > > The farther you are outside, you are unhealthier. > > By weekly measuring, we can see improvements. > > But the point is, that I can measure the influence of elektrosmog. > That it negatively influences the health status. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: seandaly33 > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:40 AM > Subject: [eSens] Re: website > > > > > > Maybe I haven't come across the correct description page on your website, or something is getting lost in translation, but what exactly are these figures the machine is measuring in relation to these body parameters? And where are you getting these grades from? Just curious. > > Sean. > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > Hello Sean, > > > > the machine *reads* and the computer spits out the data. > > > > Of course for evaluation, one has to read carefully. > > There are given tolerances, where you are supposed to be within. > > And when you are outside, there are grades of severity. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: seandaly33 > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 12:47 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: website > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > On your webpage: > > > > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina301.html > > > > you seem to be saying that all of the body parameters that you have listed will be able "to be measured on the body in no time", in reaction to EMFs. How exactly will you go about doing that, as you have listed a lot of medical markers for different organs, etc.This would seem a lot of work? > > > > > > Sean. > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > there is information at: > > > > > > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina301.html > > > > > > and > > > > > > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina401.html > > > > > > With that I succeeded to reduce the sensitivity of my wife, who was a heavy electrosensitive person 5 years ago, with some 95%. She now lives a *normal* life, amidst a lot of elektrosmog in the city. > > > > > > And I succeeded to raise also the immune system with other persons. They feel better. > > > > > > Of course you will think that I am a quack, but the jerry's say: *Wer heilt hat recht!*. > > > (He who heals, is right!) > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Charles Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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What is the program hook up to? I'm trying to find it on your website? Do you have that page in English as well? I'm concerned about measuring liver functions. Mine were off on the EAV, but is it parasites or fatty liver? It improved w the parasite remedy, so is that all it is? Kathy From: seandaly33 <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: website So this machine gives out the tolerances for the body parameters that a person should be within. But in terms of measuring all of these body parameter, such as your example of liver fat content, etc, I am presuming that individual medical methods for all of the parameters are needed? --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > You have to fill in your age, gender, height and weight. > > Then the program gives tolerances where you should stay within. > > The farther you are outside, you are unhealthier. > > By weekly measuring, we can see improvements. > > But the point is, that I can measure the influence of elektrosmog. > That it negatively influences the health status. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > - > > > > > rs for different organs, etc.This would seem a lot of work? > > > > > > Sean. > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > there is information at: > > > > > > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina301.html > > > > > > and > > > > > > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina401.html > > > > > > With that I succeeded to reduce the sensitivity of my wife, who was a heavy electrosensitive person 5 years ago, with some 95%. She now lives a *normal* life, amidst a lot of elektrosmog in the city. > > > > > > And I succeeded to raise also the immune system with other persons. They feel better. > > > > > > Of course you will think that I am a quack, but the jerry's say: *Wer heilt hat recht!*. > > > (He who heals, is right!) > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Charles Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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