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Hi everyone,
I am new here - just got started learning about EMF a few weeks ago. I've discovered I am sensitive to wi-fi and particularly the 2.4Ghz frequency. I've turned off my own wi-fi emitter and 2.4 cordless phone and there's a noticeable improvement. I feel like it's quieter somehow and my sleep has been improved. BUT with my own laptop I can look and see that I have FIVE other wi-fi emitters in close range to me - I am in an apartment building. My tech loving neighbor upstairs from me has THREE and I have no idea why any one person need three different ones, but he has them. In my bedroom my laptop shows that he has an emitter directly over my head in the bedroom - full strength at 5 bars. He's not the kind of guy who would respond well to me approaching him about this, so I'd rather come up with a solution that's under my control. Any suggestions? I've ordered the baseball hat that has the naturashield fabric in it to seehow much difference it makes. Has anyone else tried this cap? And do these EMF shielding fabrics really work? Thanks! Alexa |
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Hi Alexa and all...
I too am new here. Could be wrong, but my understanding is that shielding fabrics must totally surround the object being shielded. Don't know how much geopathic fields interact with microwave (cellphone) and wifi fields. Generally, I feel better (energy, wellness, mood) away fromall this crap. Yes...there are still places that are cellphone null zones. I have placed a large magnet on the house circuit box, which may help...hard to tell! Does anyone have any input on this??? since it is so simple. The information on this is on Stenulson's website http://www.stenulson.net/althealth/es-disc.htm Regards, Ken from Stenulson's website: "A recent discovery from the protection point of view (introduced to me by Hans Frucht, a local dowser) is that by placing a large loudspeaker magnet on the circuit box of the house, the electrical fields in the house can be harmonized. (Placing a magnet on the water filter is also very beneficial.) There is absolutely no risk in doing this, and it doesn't cost much. Similarly, a small fridge magnet can be placed on top of a video monitor for good results, but I prefer to use a SomaShield for my video monitor. The final trick is to eliminate geopathic stress: there are all kinds of devices for doing this, but the one that seems to be the safest is a large metal pyramid with the base of the pyramid on the floor. In our house, one pyramid wasn't enough; we stacked two smaller metal pyramids on top of the large one before the geopathic stress was eliminated. I don't know if stacking pyramids is safe for everyone, but my wife, who is hypersensitive to subtle energy, is still healthy. I can't prove that these methods work or are completely safe; they have only been verified by dowsing, and I would recommend that anyone using these methods also verify them with dowsing or muscle testing. But they are simple and relatively safe methods of reducing environmental stress in the home. Anyone with an extreme degree of electrical hypersensitivity should notice an improvement (my degree of sensitivity to electromagnetic fields is only moderate). One thing I have learned is that it is always good to re-test your environment after using devices for a while, especially if you aren't feeling well and suspect an overload condition may be manifesting in your body. The symptoms of a body overloaded with subtle energy can be much worse than the symptoms produced by the electromagnetic fields subtle devices are supposed to protect you from: a bigger, more powerful device, is not necessarily better!" ________________________________ From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 5:59:35 AM Subject: [eSens] want to escape wi-fi - and new here Hi everyone, I am new here - just got started learning about EMF a few weeks ago. I've discovered I am sensitive to wi-fi and particularly the 2.4Ghz frequency. I've turned off my own wi-fi emitter and 2.4 cordless phone and there's a noticeable improvement. I feel like it's quieter somehow and my sleep has been improved. BUT with my own laptop I can look and see that I have FIVE other wi-fi emitters in close range to me - I am in an apartment building. My tech loving neighbor upstairs from me has THREE and I have no idea why any one person need three different ones, but he has them. In my bedroom my laptop shows that he has an emitter directly over my head in the bedroom - full strength at 5 bars. He's not the kind of guy who would respond well to me approaching him about this, so I'd rather come up with a solution that's under my control. Any suggestions? I've ordered the baseball hat that has the naturashield fabric in it to seehow much difference it makes. Has anyone else tried this cap? And do these EMF shielding fabrics really work? Thanks! Alexa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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First of all, turn off the "radio" on your laptop.
Emil ----- Original Message ----- From: <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:59 AM Subject: [eSens] want to escape wi-fi - and new here > Hi everyone, > > I am new here - just got started learning about EMF a few weeks ago. I've > discovered I am sensitive to wi-fi and particularly the 2.4Ghz frequency. > I've turned off my own wi-fi emitter and 2.4 cordless phone and there's a > noticeable improvement. I feel like it's quieter somehow and my sleep has > been improved. BUT with my own laptop I can look and see that I have > FIVE other wi-fi emitters in close range to me - I am in an apartment > building. My tech loving neighbor upstairs from me has THREE and I have > no idea why any one person need three different ones, but he has them. In > my bedroom my laptop shows that he has an emitter directly over my head in > the bedroom - full strength at 5 bars. He's not the kind of guy who > would respond well to me approaching him about this, so I'd rather come up > with a solution that's under my control. Any suggestions? > > I've ordered the baseball hat that has the naturashield fabric in it to > see how much difference it makes. Has anyone else tried this cap? And > do these EMF shielding fabrics really work? > > Thanks! > Alexa > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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Alexa - I too had the exact same experience as you. Slept in a cage, painted the walls etc. Hung up the drapes. AND I even own that cap - but it really is for outdoor use.
But if you have become sensitive to the Dect phone and WIFI - it's better that you move to a place where you are away from neighbours on all sides. Next will be the cell towers coming in the windows. It's only going to get much worse. You can't easily cure yourself of the problem unless you remove yourself from it soon. It is a cumulative effect and it's hard to turn your sensitivity off - these are early warning signs and it's good you caught them. Most people just think they are getting old and sick and then they get terrible diseases and then..... Best to move into a bacement apartment of a house or Get out of the city -and perhaps share a house with someone that understands that they are gradually killing themselves if they use this stuff. At least you don't have to sell your house like most of us do that live beside cell towers... On 2009-11-25, at 5:59 AM, [hidden email] wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am new here - just got started learning about EMF a few weeks ago. I'vediscovered I am sensitive to wi-fi and particularly the 2.4Ghz frequency. I've turned off my own wi-fi emitter and 2.4 cordless phone and there's a noticeable improvement. I feel like it's quieter somehow and my sleep has been improved. BUT with my own laptop I can look and see that I have FIVE other wi-fi emitters in close range to me - I am in an apartment building. My tech loving neighbor upstairs from me has THREE and I have no idea why any one person need three different ones, but he has them. In my bedroom my laptop shows that he has an emitter directly over my head in the bedroom - full strength at 5 bars. He's not the kind of guy who would respond well to meapproaching him about this, so I'd rather come up with a solution that's under my control. Any suggestions? > > I've ordered the baseball hat that has the naturashield fabric in it to see how much difference it makes. Has anyone else tried this cap? And do these EMF shielding fabrics really work? > > Thanks! > Alexa > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Those caps do work, but I think they will not shield all that neighborhood stuff. Consider moving. Mike
--- On Wed, 11/25/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] want to escape wi-fi - and new here To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 3:59 AM Hi everyone, I am new here - just got started learning about EMF a few weeks ago. I've discovered I am sensitive to wi-fi and particularly the 2.4Ghz frequency. I've turned off my own wi-fi emitter and 2.4 cordless phone and there's a noticeable improvement. I feel like it's quieter somehow and my sleep has beenimproved. BUT with my own laptop I can look and see that I have FIVE otherwi-fi emitters in close range to me - I am in an apartment building. My tech loving neighbor upstairs from me has THREE and I have no idea why any one person need three different ones, but he has them. In my bedroom my laptop shows that he has an emitter directly over my head in the bedroom - full strength at 5 bars. He's not the kind of guy who would respond well to me approaching him about this, so I'd rather come up with a solution that's under my control. Any suggestions? I've ordered the baseball hat that has the naturashield fabric in it to seehow much difference it makes. Has anyone else tried this cap? And do theseEMF shielding fabrics really work? Thanks! Alexa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Haha, yes, when I'm not using it to detect all the wi-fi emitters I turn itoff. It has a handy physical switch so I can disable it.
--- In [hidden email], "lessemf.com" <lessemf@...> wrote: > > First of all, turn off the "radio" on your laptop. > > Emil > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <roxalis@...> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:59 AM > Subject: [eSens] want to escape wi-fi - and new here > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I am new here - just got started learning about EMF a few weeks ago. I've > > discovered I am sensitive to wi-fi and particularly the 2.4Ghz frequency. > > I've turned off my own wi-fi emitter and 2.4 cordless phone and there'sa > > noticeable improvement. I feel like it's quieter somehow and my sleep has > > been improved. BUT with my own laptop I can look and see that I have > > FIVE other wi-fi emitters in close range to me - I am in an apartment > > building. My tech loving neighbor upstairs from me has THREE and I have > > no idea why any one person need three different ones, but he has them. In > > my bedroom my laptop shows that he has an emitter directly over my headin > > the bedroom - full strength at 5 bars. He's not the kind of guy who > > would respond well to me approaching him about this, so I'd rather comeup > > with a solution that's under my control. Any suggestions? > > > > I've ordered the baseball hat that has the naturashield fabric in it to > > see how much difference it makes. Has anyone else tried this cap? And > > do these EMF shielding fabrics really work? > > > > Thanks! > > Alexa > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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Robert, sorry you had to sell your house....geeesh. It just seems insane to me that our society is allowing all this. I am concerned that I am developing ES - I don't know at this point how much of my chronic fatigue type problems are due to it. I can physically feel when the wi-fi is on though. And after talking on a cordless phone I'll feel this "heaviness" in and around my head which I used to attribute to other things - also a lingeringbrain fog cloudiness that can last for hours. Now I can have the same call on a corded phone and I don't feel that. Though my trusty gauss meter tells me even my corded phone has a field it's sending into my head too - looks like if I want to get rid of all this stuff it might be a long expensive, inconvenient road.
A few years ago I moved into an apartment in the Silicon Valley area and within a few days my existing heart arrhythmia got so bad (worst ever in my life) that I had to go to the ER. I had to stay on heart medicine for quitea while after that. I also developed a benign tumor as well. In hindsight I can't help but wonder if I was surrounded by wifi even then - it was silicon valley and I had neighbors on all sides - this was 2004. After I moved things got better, until my neighbor moved in above me. It's been a year and a half of shallow sleep and fatigue until I just keyed in on this wi-fi angle. I had a very bad reaction to fluorescent lights in a super store which kicked off investigating all this stuff. Whew, that was long - thanks for reading! Alexa A part of me is still playing the inner skeptic and I joke about buying my "tinfoil hat" but --- In [hidden email], Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@...> wrote: > > Alexa - I too had the exact same experience as you. Slept in a cage, painted the walls etc. Hung up the drapes. AND I even own that cap - but it really is for outdoor use. > > But if you have become sensitive to the Dect phone and WIFI - it's better that you move to a place where you are away from neighbours on all sides.Next will be the cell towers coming in the windows. It's only going to get much worse. > > You can't easily cure yourself of the problem unless you remove yourself from it soon. It is a cumulative effect and it's hard to turn your sensitivity off - these are early warning signs and it's good you caught them. Mostpeople just think they are getting old and sick and then they get terriblediseases and then..... > > Best to move into a bacement apartment of a house or Get out of the city- and perhaps share a house with someone that understands that they are gradually killing themselves if they use this stuff. > > At least you don't have to sell your house like most of us do that live beside cell towers... > > > On 2009-11-25, at 5:59 AM, roxalis@... wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I am new here - just got started learning about EMF a few weeks ago. I've discovered I am sensitive to wi-fi and particularly the 2.4Ghz frequency. I've turned off my own wi-fi emitter and 2.4 cordless phone and there's anoticeable improvement. I feel like it's quieter somehow and my sleep has been improved. BUT with my own laptop I can look and see that I have FIVE other wi-fi emitters in close range to me - I am in an apartment building. My tech loving neighbor upstairs from me has THREE and I have no idea why any one person need three different ones, but he has them. In my bedroom my laptop shows that he has an emitter directly over my head in the bedroom - full strength at 5 bars. He's not the kind of guy who would respond well to me approaching him about this, so I'd rather come up with a solution that'sunder my control. Any suggestions? > > > > I've ordered the baseball hat that has the naturashield fabric in it tosee how much difference it makes. Has anyone else tried this cap? And do these EMF shielding fabrics really work? > > > > Thanks! > > Alexa > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
Re: want to escape wi-fi - and new here Ken/Mike
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Ken, thanks for the link I'll read about the magnet. I'm very curious how ordinary magnets fit into all of this. I wonder how you find the cell phone dead zone areas? I'd love to find one and see how I feel there. I imagine I'd have to drive a long way - I'm in a city that's covered by the Clear network on top of the rest. I hope you find relief!
Mike, good to hear the cap helps - since my worst and closest exposure thatI can't modify is coming from above my head (upstairs apartment) I'm thinking of wearing it during the day to see if it helps any. I do want to move, very much for many reasons, but my health has been so worn down that I literally don't feel *able* to move out. Hoping to make enough changes toimprove my well-being so I can get back on track. --- In [hidden email], angela england <mariaaengland@...> wrote: > > Those caps do work, but I think they will not shield all that neighborhood stuff. Consider moving. Mike > > --- On Wed, 11/25/09, roxalis@... <roxalis@...> wrote: > > > From: roxalis@... <roxalis@...> > Subject: [eSens] want to escape wi-fi - and new here > To: [hidden email] > Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 3:59 AM > > >  > > > > Hi everyone, > > I am new here - just got started learning about EMF a few weeks ago. I'vediscovered I am sensitive to wi-fi and particularly the 2.4Ghz frequency. I've turned off my own wi-fi emitter and 2.4 cordless phone and there's a noticeable improvement. I feel like it's quieter somehow and my sleep has been improved. BUT with my own laptop I can look and see that I have FIVE other wi-fi emitters in close range to me - I am in an apartment building. My tech loving neighbor upstairs from me has THREE and I have no idea why any one person need three different ones, but he has them. In my bedroom my laptop shows that he has an emitter directly over my head in the bedroom - full strength at 5 bars. He's not the kind of guy who would respond well to meapproaching him about this, so I'd rather come up with a solution that's under my control. Any suggestions? > > I've ordered the baseball hat that has the naturashield fabric in it to see how much difference it makes. Has anyone else tried this cap? And do these EMF shielding fabrics really work? > > Thanks! > Alexa > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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this is the website of a teacher that studies the effects of electromagnetic fields.
Here is her study in heart arrhythmia and a dect phone.... http://www.magdahavas.com/2009/11/05/press-release-hrv-dect-phone/ On 2009-11-25, at 4:47 PM, [hidden email] wrote: > Robert, sorry you had to sell your house....geeesh. It just seems insane to me that our society is allowing all this. I am concerned that I am developing ES - I don't know at this point how much of my chronic fatigue type problems are due to it. I can physically feel when the wi-fi is on though. And after talking on a cordless phone I'll feel this "heaviness" in and around my head which I used to attribute to other things - also a lingering brain fog cloudiness that can last for hours. Now I can have the same call on a corded phone and I don't feel that. Though my trusty gauss meter tells meeven my corded phone has a field it's sending into my head too - looks like if I want to get rid of all this stuff it might be a long expensive, inconvenient road. > > A few years ago I moved into an apartment in the Silicon Valley area and within a few days my existing heart arrhythmia got so bad (worst ever in mylife) that I had to go to the ER. I had to stay on heart medicine for quite a while after that. I also developed a benign tumor as well. In hindsightI can't help but wonder if I was surrounded by wifi even then - it was silicon valley and I had neighbors on all sides - this was 2004. After I movedthings got better, until my neighbor moved in above me. It's been a year and a half of shallow sleep and fatigue until I just keyed in on this wi-fi angle. I had a very bad reaction to fluorescent lights in a super store which kicked off investigating all this stuff. > > Whew, that was long - thanks for reading! > > Alexa > > A part of me is still playing the inner skeptic and I joke about buying my "tinfoil hat" but > > --- In [hidden email], Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@...> wrote: > > > > Alexa - I too had the exact same experience as you. Slept in a cage, painted the walls etc. Hung up the drapes. AND I even own that cap - but it really is for outdoor use. > > > > But if you have become sensitive to the Dect phone and WIFI - it's better that you move to a place where you are away from neighbours on all sides. Next will be the cell towers coming in the windows. It's only going to get much worse. > > > > You can't easily cure yourself of the problem unless you remove yourself from it soon. It is a cumulative effect and it's hard to turn your sensitivity off - these are early warning signs and it's good you caught them. Most people just think they are getting old and sick and then they get terrible diseases and then..... > > > > Best to move into a bacement apartment of a house or Get out of the city - and perhaps share a house with someone that understands that they are gradually killing themselves if they use this stuff. > > > > At least you don't have to sell your house like most of us do that livebeside cell towers... > > > > > > On 2009-11-25, at 5:59 AM, roxalis@... wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > I am new here - just got started learning about EMF a few weeks ago. I've discovered I am sensitive to wi-fi and particularly the 2.4Ghz frequency. I've turned off my own wi-fi emitter and 2.4 cordless phone and there'sa noticeable improvement. I feel like it's quieter somehow and my sleep has been improved. BUT with my own laptop I can look and see that I have FIVEother wi-fi emitters in close range to me - I am in an apartment building.My tech loving neighbor upstairs from me has THREE and I have no idea why any one person need three different ones, but he has them. In my bedroom mylaptop shows that he has an emitter directly over my head in the bedroom -full strength at 5 bars. He's not the kind of guy who would respond well to me approaching him about this, so I'd rather come up with a solution that's under my control. Any suggestions? > > > > > > I've ordered the baseball hat that has the naturashield fabric in it to see how much difference it makes. Has anyone else tried this cap? And dothese EMF shielding fabrics really work? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Alexa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Re: want to escape wi-fi - and new here Ken/Mike
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Hi Alexia --- easy to find null areas. Look for folks who are frustrated because their cell phones don't work, or the signal is very weak (few bars spells relief), and symptoms totally disappear. Of course we do not have cell phones or wifi. We live in WNC, in the mountains. Blue Ridge Parkway is great, since some areas are so far from towers that signal strength is greatly reduced. I always have more energy, feel much more alive, in these settings, away from cities.
NASA (I think) had a satellite receiving station in WNC at one time and sold it to a group of astronomers. It was a small, isolated area that was free from manmade EMF pollution, ideal for their receivers or whatever. Have a great thanksgiving...and I trust you won't microwave the turkey! Regards, Ken ________________________________ From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 4:55:15 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: want to escape wi-fi - and new here Ken/Mike Ken, thanks for the link I'll read about the magnet. I'm very curious how ordinary magnets fit into all of this. I wonder how you find the cell phone dead zone areas? I'd love to find one and see how I feel there. I imagine I'd have to drive a long way - I'm in a city that's covered by the Clear network on top of the rest. I hope you find relief! Mike, good to hear the cap helps - since my worst and closest exposure thatI can't modify is coming from above my head (upstairs apartment) I'm thinking of wearing it during the day to see if it helps any. I do want to move, very much for many reasons, but my health has been so worn down that I literally don't feel *able* to move out. Hoping to make enough changes toimprove my well-being so I can get back on track. --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, angela england <mariaaengland@ ...> wrote: > > Those caps do work, but I think they will not shield all that neighborhood stuff. Consider moving. Mike > > --- On Wed, 11/25/09, roxalis@... <roxalis@... > wrote: > > > From: roxalis@... <roxalis@... > > Subject: [eSens] want to escape wi-fi - and new here > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 3:59 AM > > >  > > > > Hi everyone, > > I am new here - just got started learning about EMF a few weeks ago. I'vediscovered I am sensitive to wi-fi and particularly the 2.4Ghz frequency. I've turned off my own wi-fi emitter and 2.4 cordless phone and there's a noticeable improvement. I feel like it's quieter somehow and my sleep has been improved. BUT with my own laptop I can look and see that I have FIVE other wi-fi emitters in close range to me - I am in an apartment building. My tech loving neighbor upstairs from me has THREE and I have no idea why any one person need three different ones, but he has them. In my bedroom my laptop shows that he has an emitter directly over my head in the bedroom - full strength at 5 bars. He's not the kind of guy who would respond well to meapproaching him about this, so I'd rather come up with a solution that's under my control. Any suggestions? > > I've ordered the baseball hat that has the naturashield fabric in it to see how much difference it makes. Has anyone else tried this cap? And do these EMF shielding fabrics really work? > > Thanks! > Alexa > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Alexa,
We had good success with stopping cell tower emissions and signals from next door by simply putting up metallised woven shielding fabric on the wall and ceiling where it was coming in. An electrosmog detector shows a huge drop in signal. Didn't need to provide a full surrounding "Faraday cage". I think the same method seems to work against wi-fi so the simplest quick fix may be to fix some shielding fabric on your ceiling to block most of the emissions from the apartment above. Can others confirm whether this should work against wi-fi? Incidentally, I assume you have already got rid of your cordless phone and the base station - most base stations emit a constant signal in the MW range which is certainly damaging. Not as bad as a receiver up against your ear, but it's a constant exposure that wears you down, whereas the earpiece just affects you when you're making a call. Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email] Sent: 25 November 2009 21:47 To: [hidden email] Subject: [eSens] Re: want to escape wi-fi - and new here Robert, sorry you had to sell your house....geeesh. It just seems insane to me that our society is allowing all this. I am concerned that I am developing ES - I don't know at this point how much of my chronic fatigue type problems are due to it. I can physically feel when the wi-fi is on though. And after talking on a cordless phone I'll feel this "heaviness" in and around my head which I used to attribute to other things - also a lingering brain fog cloudiness that can last for hours. Now I can have the same call on a corded phone and I don't feel that. Though my trusty gauss meter tells me even my corded phone has a field it's sending into my head too - looks like if I want to get rid of all this stuff it might be a long expensive, inconvenient road. A few years ago I moved into an apartment in the Silicon Valley area and within a few days my existing heart arrhythmia got so bad (worst ever in my life) that I had to go to the ER. I had to stay on heart medicine for quite a while after that. I also developed a benign tumor as well. In hindsight I can't help but wonder if I was surrounded by wifi even then - it was silicon valley and I had neighbors on all sides - this was 2004. After I moved things got better, until my neighbor moved in above me. It's been a year and a half of shallow sleep and fatigue until I just keyed in on this wi-fi angle. I had a very bad reaction to fluorescent lights in a super store which kicked off investigating all this stuff. Whew, that was long - thanks for reading! Alexa A part of me is still playing the inner skeptic and I joke about buying my "tinfoil hat" but --- In eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com, Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@...> wrote: > > Alexa - I too had the exact same experience as you. Slept in a cage, painted the walls etc. Hung up the drapes. AND I even own that cap - but it really is for outdoor use. > > But if you have become sensitive to the Dect phone and WIFI - it's better that you move to a place where you are away from neighbours on all sides. Next will be the cell towers coming in the windows. It's only going to get much worse. > > You can't easily cure yourself of the problem unless you remove yourself from it soon. It is a cumulative effect and it's hard to turn your sensitivity off - these are early warning signs and it's good you caught them. Most people just think they are getting old and sick and then they get terrible diseases and then..... > > Best to move into a bacement apartment of a house or Get out of the city - and perhaps share a house with someone that understands that they are gradually killing themselves if they use this stuff. > > At least you don't have to sell your house like most of us do that live beside cell towers... > > > On 2009-11-25, at 5:59 AM, roxalis@... wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I am new here - just got started learning about EMF a few weeks ago. I've discovered I am sensitive to wi-fi and particularly the 2.4Ghz frequency. I've turned off my own wi-fi emitter and 2.4 cordless phone and there's a noticeable improvement. I feel like it's quieter somehow and my sleep has been improved. BUT with my own laptop I can look and see that I have FIVE other wi-fi emitters in close range to me - I am in an apartment building. My tech loving neighbor upstairs from me has THREE and I have no idea why any one person need three different ones, but he has them. In my bedroom my laptop shows that he has an emitter directly over my head in the bedroom - full strength at 5 bars. He's not the kind of guy who would respond well to me approaching him about this, so I'd rather come up with a solution that's under my control. Any suggestions? > > > > I've ordered the baseball hat that has the naturashield fabric in it to see how much difference it makes. Has anyone else tried this cap? And do these EMF shielding fabrics really work? > > > > Thanks! > > Alexa > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Oh yes it works very well in stopping some of the radiation. My meter readings went way down.
But.... it's just a stop gap measure as you know. Apartment buildings are not the best place for someone that has EHS or is developing it. I feel it's best to just spend the time looking for a safer place to spend the rest of your life now that you have become sensitive. It will take you about 2 weeks to order the material - stick it up - and then explain to the people that you sleep with that you are not crazy. It takes a month to find a place to live that will do the same thing only better - better sooner than later. Now - if you owned a town house and lived between to people = spending the money to do it properly and re-drywall with the proper shielding screening material is a different subject all together. On 2009-11-25, at 6:17 PM, Ian Kemp wrote: > Hi Alexa, > > We had good success with stopping cell tower emissions and signals from next > door by simply putting up metallised woven shielding fabric on the wall and > ceiling where it was coming in. An electrosmog detector shows a huge drop > in signal. Didn't need to provide a full surrounding "Faraday cage". I > think the same method seems to work against wi-fi so the simplest quick fix > may be to fix some shielding fabric on your ceiling to block most of the > emissions from the apartment above. Can others confirm whether this should > work against wi-fi? > > Incidentally, I assume you have already got rid of your cordless phone and > the base station - most base stations emit a constant signal in the MW range > which is certainly damaging. Not as bad as a receiver up against your ear, > but it's a constant exposure that wears you down, whereas the earpiece just > affects you when you're making a call. > > Ian > > _____ > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of > [hidden email] > Sent: 25 November 2009 21:47 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [eSens] Re: want to escape wi-fi - and new here > > Robert, sorry you had to sell your house....geeesh. It just seems insane to > me that our society is allowing all this. I am concerned that I am > developing ES - I don't know at this point how much of my chronic fatigue > type problems are due to it. I can physically feel when the wi-fi is on > though. And after talking on a cordless phone I'll feel this "heaviness" in > and around my head which I used to attribute to other things - also a > lingering brain fog cloudiness that can last for hours. Now I can have the > same call on a corded phone and I don't feel that. Though my trusty gauss > meter tells me even my corded phone has a field it's sending into my head > too - looks like if I want to get rid of all this stuff it might be a long > expensive, inconvenient road. > > A few years ago I moved into an apartment in the Silicon Valley area and > within a few days my existing heart arrhythmia got so bad (worst ever in my > life) that I had to go to the ER. I had to stay on heart medicine for quite > a while after that. I also developed a benign tumor as well. In hindsightI > can't help but wonder if I was surrounded by wifi even then - it was silicon > valley and I had neighbors on all sides - this was 2004. After I moved > things got better, until my neighbor moved in above me. It's been a year and > a half of shallow sleep and fatigue until I just keyed in on this wi-fi > angle. I had a very bad reaction to fluorescent lights in a super store > which kicked off investigating all this stuff. > > Whew, that was long - thanks for reading! > > Alexa > > A part of me is still playing the inner skeptic and I joke about buying my > "tinfoil hat" but > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com, Bob Connolly > <robert_connolly@...> wrote: > > > > Alexa - I too had the exact same experience as you. Slept in a cage, > painted the walls etc. Hung up the drapes. AND I even own that cap - but it > really is for outdoor use. > > > > But if you have become sensitive to the Dect phone and WIFI - it's better > that you move to a place where you are away from neighbours on all sides. > Next will be the cell towers coming in the windows. It's only going to get > much worse. > > > > You can't easily cure yourself of the problem unless you remove yourself > from it soon. It is a cumulative effect and it's hard to turn your > sensitivity off - these are early warning signs and it's good you caught > them. Most people just think they are getting old and sick and then they get > terrible diseases and then..... > > > > Best to move into a bacement apartment of a house or Get out of the city - > and perhaps share a house with someone that understands that they are > gradually killing themselves if they use this stuff. > > > > At least you don't have to sell your house like most of us do that live > beside cell towers... > > > > > > On 2009-11-25, at 5:59 AM, roxalis@... wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > I am new here - just got started learning about EMF a few weeks ago. > I've discovered I am sensitive to wi-fi and particularly the 2.4Ghz > frequency. I've turned off my own wi-fi emitter and 2.4 cordless phone and > there's a noticeable improvement. I feel like it's quieter somehow and my > sleep has been improved. BUT with my own laptop I can look and see that I > have FIVE other wi-fi emitters in close range to me - I am in an apartment > building. My tech loving neighbor upstairs from me has THREE and I have no > idea why any one person need three different ones, but he has them. In my > bedroom my laptop shows that he has an emitter directly over my head in the > bedroom - full strength at 5 bars. He's not the kind of guy who would > respond well to me approaching him about this, so I'd rather come up witha > solution that's under my control. Any suggestions? > > > > > > I've ordered the baseball hat that has the naturashield fabric in it to > see how much difference it makes. Has anyone else tried this cap? And do > these EMF shielding fabrics really work? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Alexa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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LOL! Well I am still using the microwave but I run away at least six feet from it after pressing the start button. I hope that's enough...
Happy thanksgiving to you too! Alexa --- In [hidden email], Ken Kaufman <kkaufman7@...> wrote: > > Hi Alexia --- easy to find null areas. Look for folks who are frustratedbecause their cell phones don't work, or the signal is very weak (few barsspells relief), and symptoms totally disappear. Of course we do not have cell phones or wifi. We live in WNC, in the mountains. Blue Ridge Parkwayis great, since some areas are so far from towers that signal strength is greatly reduced. I always have more energy, feel much more alive, in thesesettings, away from cities. > > NASA (I think) had a satellite receiving station in WNC at one time and sold it to a group of astronomers. It was a small, isolated area that was free from manmade EMF pollution, ideal for their receivers or whatever. > > Have a great thanksgiving...and I trust you won't microwave the turkey! > > Regards, > Ken > > |
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Yep, fair points Bob. Interesting cultural difference here, in the UK a lot
more people own their houses and it usually takes several months to sell up and find a new place - plus the difficulty in ensuring whether the new one will be significantly better. Also we found after we'd invested in the shielding fabric that it's really useful to carry around if visiting relatives or friends' houses so we can do a quick temporary shield from any local emissions - or a short term block if a neighbour installs some new piece of electronic gadgetry! Ian -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bob Connolly Sent: 25 November 2009 23:32 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: want to escape wi-fi - and new here Oh yes it works very well in stopping some of the radiation. My meter readings went way down. But.... it's just a stop gap measure as you know. Apartment buildings are not the best place for someone that has EHS or is developing it. I feel it's best to just spend the time looking for a safer place to spend the rest of your life now that you have become sensitive. It will take you about 2 weeks to order the material - stick it up - and then explain to the people that you sleep with that you are not crazy. It takes a month to find a place to live that will do the same thing only better - better sooner than later. Now - if you owned a town house and lived between to people = spending the money to do it properly and re-drywall with the proper shielding screening material is a different subject all together. On 2009-11-25, at 6:17 PM, Ian Kemp wrote: > Hi Alexa, > > We had good success with stopping cell tower emissions and signals > from next door by simply putting up metallised woven shielding fabric > on the wall and ceiling where it was coming in. An electrosmog > detector shows a huge drop in signal. Didn't need to provide a full > surrounding "Faraday cage". I think the same method seems to work > against wi-fi so the simplest quick fix may be to fix some shielding > fabric on your ceiling to block most of the emissions from the > apartment above. Can others confirm whether this should work against > > Incidentally, I assume you have already got rid of your cordless phone > and the base station - most base stations emit a constant signal in > the MW range which is certainly damaging. Not as bad as a receiver up > against your ear, but it's a constant exposure that wears you down, > whereas the earpiece just affects you when you're making a call. > > Ian > > _____ > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf > Of [hidden email] > Sent: 25 November 2009 21:47 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [eSens] Re: want to escape wi-fi - and new here > > Robert, sorry you had to sell your house....geeesh. It just seems > insane to me that our society is allowing all this. I am concerned > that I am developing ES - I don't know at this point how much of my > chronic fatigue type problems are due to it. I can physically feel > when the wi-fi is on though. And after talking on a cordless phone > I'll feel this "heaviness" in and around my head which I used to > attribute to other things - also a lingering brain fog cloudiness that > can last for hours. Now I can have the same call on a corded phone and > I don't feel that. Though my trusty gauss meter tells me even my > corded phone has a field it's sending into my head too - looks like if > I want to get rid of all this stuff it might be a long expensive, > > A few years ago I moved into an apartment in the Silicon Valley area > and within a few days my existing heart arrhythmia got so bad (worst > ever in my > life) that I had to go to the ER. I had to stay on heart medicine for > quite a while after that. I also developed a benign tumor as well. In > hindsight I can't help but wonder if I was surrounded by wifi even > then - it was silicon valley and I had neighbors on all sides - this > was 2004. After I moved things got better, until my neighbor moved in > above me. It's been a year and a half of shallow sleep and fatigue > until I just keyed in on this wi-fi angle. I had a very bad reaction > to fluorescent lights in a super store which kicked off investigating all > > Whew, that was long - thanks for reading! > > Alexa > > A part of me is still playing the inner skeptic and I joke about > buying my "tinfoil hat" but > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com, Bob > Connolly <robert_connolly@...> wrote: > > > > Alexa - I too had the exact same experience as you. Slept in a cage, > painted the walls etc. Hung up the drapes. AND I even own that cap - > but it really is for outdoor use. > > > > But if you have become sensitive to the Dect phone and WIFI - it's > > better > that you move to a place where you are away from neighbours on all sides. > Next will be the cell towers coming in the windows. It's only going to > get much worse. > > > > You can't easily cure yourself of the problem unless you remove > > yourself > from it soon. It is a cumulative effect and it's hard to turn your > sensitivity off - these are early warning signs and it's good you > caught them. Most people just think they are getting old and sick and > then they get terrible diseases and then..... > > > > Best to move into a bacement apartment of a house or Get out of the > > city - > and perhaps share a house with someone that understands that they are > gradually killing themselves if they use this stuff. > > > > At least you don't have to sell your house like most of us do that > > live > beside cell towers... > > > > > > On 2009-11-25, at 5:59 AM, roxalis@... wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > I am new here - just got started learning about EMF a few weeks ago. > I've discovered I am sensitive to wi-fi and particularly the 2.4Ghz > frequency. I've turned off my own wi-fi emitter and 2.4 cordless phone > and there's a noticeable improvement. I feel like it's quieter somehow > and my sleep has been improved. BUT with my own laptop I can look and > see that I have FIVE other wi-fi emitters in close range to me - I am > in an apartment building. My tech loving neighbor upstairs from me has > THREE and I have no idea why any one person need three different ones, > but he has them. In my bedroom my laptop shows that he has an emitter > directly over my head in the bedroom - full strength at 5 bars. He's > not the kind of guy who would respond well to me approaching him about > this, so I'd rather come up with a solution that's under my control. Any > > > > > > I've ordered the baseball hat that has the naturashield fabric in > > > it to > see how much difference it makes. Has anyone else tried this cap? And > do these EMF shielding fabrics really work? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Alexa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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You may also need to watch out for whether you are sensitive to magnetic or
electric fields as well. Microwaves, and several other devices including many gas central heating boilers and some thermostats, emit magnetic fields when switched on, due to transformers, relay coils etc. Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email] Sent: 26 November 2009 00:05 To: [hidden email] Subject: [eSens] Re: want to escape wi-fi - and new here Ken/Mike LOL! Well I am still using the microwave but I run away at least six feet from it after pressing the start button. I hope that's enough... Happy thanksgiving to you too! Alexa --- In eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com, Ken Kaufman <kkaufman7@...> wrote: > > Hi Alexia --- easy to find null areas. Look for folks who are frustrated because their cell phones don't work, or the signal is very weak (few bars spells relief), and symptoms totally disappear. Of course we do not have cell phones or wifi. We live in WNC, in the mountains. Blue Ridge Parkway is great, since some areas are so far from towers that signal strength is greatly reduced. I always have more energy, feel much more alive, in these settings, away from cities. > > NASA (I think) had a satellite receiving station in WNC at one time and sold it to a group of astronomers. It was a small, isolated area that was free from manmade EMF pollution, ideal for their receivers or whatever. > > Have a great thanksgiving...and I trust you won't microwave the turkey! > > Regards, > Ken > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> Ken, thanks for the link I'll read about the magnet. I'm very curious
> how ordinary magnets fit into all of this. I wonder how you find the > cell phone dead zone areas? There is a lot of information on the web. For example, here is one site: http://www.cellreception.com/deadspots/ Marc |
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That website is truly awesome Mike - thank you! It will be invaluable in planning my next move. I especially like the part showing the cell towers on the map. It's so ironic reading about all those people seeking more and more cell coverage - if they only knew.
Thank you all for such a wonderful welcome here! Alexa --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote: > > > Ken, thanks for the link I'll read about the magnet. I'm very curious > > how ordinary magnets fit into all of this. I wonder how you find the > > cell phone dead zone areas? > > There is a lot of information on the web. For example, here is one > site: > > http://www.cellreception.com/deadspots/ > > Marc > |
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In a message dated 25/11/2009 22:14:23 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: A part of me is still playing the inner skeptic and I joke about buying my "tinfoil hat" but LOL - A Tin foil hat will probably make you feel worse anyway, what you need is a double layer of turkey foil separated by a small airgap around the head - puk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Marc, thanks for the site. Checked location of towers, and it seems to NOTlist at least one that is near here.
Generally, there is lots of national forest land here, many thousands of acres, Indian Res., etc. so if you just get away from "civilization" signal strength becomes progressively weaker. In coves (between mountains) likely totally free. There are two sources of cellphone crap: from the tower/repeater, and from the phone. The further the phone from the tower, the stronger the output from the phone. Hence, being around a gaggle of "users" (found in schools, colleges, and stores) is probably worst exposure. In short, I go by how I feel: good energy, calm mind, physically comfortable, no anxiety, etc., is mostly in areas of little/no cellphone activity. When I've been out (walking, biking) with friends with cellphones, they often have difficulty connecting. This validates my feeling. I also suspect that the native energy of forest and sky negates at least some of the emf crap. Concrete and steel probably amplifies it. I've heard that box springsare quite unhealthy, since you are sleeping next to a series of metal coils. Regards, K ________________________________ From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 10:13:24 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: want to escape wi-fi - and new here Ken/Mike > Ken, thanks for the link I'll read about the magnet. I'm very curious > how ordinary magnets fit into all of this. I wonder how you find the > cell phone dead zone areas? There is a lot of information on the web. For example, here is one site: http://www.cellreception.com/deadspots/ Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Alexa
Sorry to hear that you have had the problems of the WIFI - but good that you have been able to make the connection with that and your health problems.My health first began to deteriorate when I lived in an apartment buildingand even though I had none of the technology in my own apartment it is probably the case that many others in close proximity did. Re the microwave - I'd go further than 6 feet - when the microwave is used in my parents house I leave the room [they know now to tell me they are going to use is so that I have time to get out]. I don't have a microwave in my own home and won't ever have one again. I hate to tell you but microwavedfood is damaged food and there is research to suggest that eating microwaved food can induce damage in the body. Eating out can be a bit russian roulette -ish because most restaurants use microwaves for cooking in some shapeor form. It like eveything else that contributes to ES - highly convenientand can do amazing things but not guaranteed to be safe to human health. Like the Iphone which is almost revered because of its multiple apps. If it was safe it would be great and I'd go out and buy one tomorrow but it's not. My sister has one and last weekend in her house I felt it interact with her wifi router with a sharp pain up the back of my head and down into my throat. It is getting close to the point where I either have to choose to compromise my health if I want to continue to visit her and my nephews which is breaking my heart. Have tried explaining to her that she risksharming her newborn baby by using it near him [nevermind what was happening to him while in utero and she was using it all the time] but she just thinks I am a crackpot. --- On Thu, 26/11/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: want to escape wi-fi - and new here Ken/Mike To: [hidden email] Date: Thursday, 26 November, 2009, 0:05 LOL! Well I am still using the microwave but I run away at least six feet from it after pressing the start button. I hope that's enough... Happy thanksgiving to you too! Alexa --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Ken Kaufman <kkaufman7@. ..> wrote: > > Hi Alexia --- easy to find null areas. Look for folks who are frustrated because their cell phones don't work, or the signal is very weak (few bars spells relief), and symptoms totally disappear. Of course we do not have cell phones or wifi. We live in WNC, in the mountains. Blue Ridge Parkway is great, since some areas are so far from towers that signal strength is greatly reduced. I always have more energy, feel much more alive, in these settings, away from cities. > > NASA (I think) had a satellite receiving station in WNC at one time and sold it to a group of astronomers. It was a small, isolated area that was free from manmade EMF pollution, ideal for their receivers or whatever. > > Have a great thanksgiving. ..and I trust you won't microwave the turkey! > > Regards, > Ken > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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