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bry
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you might want to staple metal screen, just the cheapest kind you can buy at a hardware store, against the wall in your bedroom facing the tower; maybe screen the window or make a type of shutter if you have a window there

good luck!

here is one youtube vid that shows the effectiveness of aluminum screen:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-oJnvCZrt4
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elihme
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@jinny: At this forum, Charles and Dr. Dietrich Grün have repeatedly stated that electrosmog has two components, tranversal waves and longitudinal waves.

Our instruments can only measure the tranversal component, but it is the longitudinal component that influences biological organisms.

So if your instruments say one thing and your sensations another, then trust your sensations.
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jinny
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Thanks for the replies folks.
I've considered screening to help, simply doing a crude experiment holding up a foil baking tray between the mast and meter sees a dramatic reduction in readings to very low and pleasing levels.

Trouble isvwe have not long decorated and don't really want to mess up the interior, would mesh on the outside wall suffice?
What about chicken wire?
Sorry if that sounds daft

Kind regards
J King
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Fog Top

The holes in chicken wire are too large and will allow microwaves through.   Heavy duty aluminum foil is cheaper than metal window screen (make sure it's not the polyester type) and works very well, but if you're going to be doing an outside application - which is just fine - you would most likely need something stronger like window screen to hold up to the elements.




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Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 5:57 PM
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Thanks for the replies folks.
I've considered screening to help, simply doing a crude experiment holding up a foil baking tray between the mast and meter sees a dramatic reduction in readings to very low and pleasing levels.

Trouble isvwe have not long decorated and don't really want to mess up the interior, would mesh on the outside wall suffice?
What about chicken wire?
Sorry if that sounds daft

Kind regards
J King


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jinny
Ahh, gotcha
What about that paint on stuff, any good?

Cheers
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Patricia
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mylar is working well for me.  
and it's super cheap... 
$15.99 for 30 sheets 52x84... 
of course they are all folded 
up, but aesthetics are far 
less important to me than my 
health.  well, i can't say that 
with gusto... aesthetics are 
also VERY important to me.  
love, patricia 


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The holes in chicken wire are too large and will allow microwaves through.   Heavy duty aluminum foil is cheaper than metal window screen (make sure it's not the polyester type) and works very well, but if you're going to be doing an outside application - which is just fine - you would most likely need something stronger like window screen to hold up to the elements.




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Subject: [ES] Re: unexpected rf readings from phone mast?
 
Thanks for the replies folks.
I've considered screening to help, simply doing a crude experiment holding up a foil baking tray between the mast and meter sees a dramatic reduction in readings to very low and pleasing levels.

Trouble isvwe have not long decorated and don't really want to mess up the interior, would mesh on the outside wall suffice?
What about chicken wire?
Sorry if that sounds daft

Kind regards
J King

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Fog Top
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I have a highly ES friend who swears by the paint, although she had to put on multiple coats of it in her bedroom to block EMF.  She says it easily blocks microwaves, plus, we have  power line communication (PLC) smart meters using TWACS (two-way automated communication system) which injects RF into the 60 Hz signal traveling on the wiring and producing low frequency wireless radiation throughout the building and it apparently blocks a good deal of that ELF.  The lower frequencies are much harder to shield than the higher frequencies emitted from intentionally wireless devices. 




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Ahh, gotcha
What about that paint on stuff, any good?

Cheers


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NoRadiationForYou
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Hello
First of all I am sorry to hear you live next to a cell phone tower.
Second of all I a sorry to hear that you have wireless devices in side the house.
If you are concerned about the tower, you should first remove all wireless and cellphone devices from within the house, starting with the baby monitor (that probably looks like this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IymrP_hDmZM) .
As your newly persecuted meter have shown you, you might be more exposed to the RF radiation coming from these devices, than from the tower, not that the tower is a good thing.

Regarding the low measurement from the tower , in side your house, when all the RFR devices are off, it is possible that :
1. you are not in the main bean (lobe) of the tower
2. your walls blocks some of the RF radiation
3. your windows are covered with aluminum-plastic anti sun film.

Regarding the high levels 100 meter from the tower , and low levels bellow it, it is probably because that when you are 100 meters from the tower you are in the main beam (lobe), while under it you get only secondary lobes and reflections.

Please see more info at - http://www.norad4u.com/knowledge/cellphone-antenna-masts
I hope this info helps
amirb
Amir Borenstein
www.norad4u.com
www.4EHSByEHS.com
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jinny
Thanks that does help very much,
Your advice is very much appreciated.
When I first got the meter I did 2 sweeps over the house, one with the main power on and one with the power off, although I have improved my technique lots since then and must repeat it I did notice the the peaks were lower power off although the average remained similar so your spot on, we need to sort our own emissions out equally as importantly.
We have large windows in the house and although they don't directly face the tower I will be shielding those first since I get the highest readings in the kitchen nearest the tower 0.08 mw/m2 ave and 0.4 peak .
Can anyone recommend a good film?

Thanks again
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jinny
I'm getting much better at this, from what I can ascertain I'm getting far more radiation from other sources than the tower, I've just pinpointed a hot spot upstairs (following advice on here- thanks) in our small box room with very high readings up to 0.2mw/m2 average, spoke to next door and lo and behold that's where his router is positioned, and I would have never known.

Looks like I'll be screening that wall too.
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Fog Top
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I've used inexpensive Mylar "space" blankets from Amazon to shield windows.  It will dim your rooms in the daytime and it looks like shiny foil on the outside. 
A more expensive but clear application would be Scotch Tint or Radio Clear film for windows from LessEMF  http://www.lessemf.com/faq-shie.html

www.lessemf.com
Frequently asked questions about electromagnetic shielding. ... Shield the walls and ceiling. Painted surfaces are easily shielded with CuPro-Cote or Y-Shield paint.






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Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 8:28 AM
To: Fog Top
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Thanks that does help very much,
Your advice is very much appreciated.
When I first got the meter I did 2 sweeps over the house, one with the main power on and one with the power off, although I have improved my technique lots since then and must repeat it I did notice the the peaks were lower power off although the average remained similar so your spot on, we need to sort our own emissions out equally as importantly.
We have large windows in the house and although they don't directly face the tower I will be shielding those first since I get the highest readings in the kitchen nearest the tower 0.08 mw/m2 ave and 0.4 peak .
Can anyone recommend a good film?

Thanks again


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jinny
Wow, fantastic thanks, some great info there.
I'm convinced that my large windows are the major problem, so I'll be looking to shield those, before I shell out the expense I think I'd like to confirm this, the rf foil on the website looks promising for the price but I'm in the UK, would those survival blankets do the same trick to block out the windows temporarily to take some readings?.
Thanks again
You guys have been great.

P.s I found an unexpected hotspot in my sons  cot yesterday so moved it to another low spot, best night sleep he's had so far, not a peep
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Fog Top

Yes, those foil blankets should cut down a lot of the window RF to determine what's coming in from the walls and roof.  What materials are your siding and roof made of on your house?  What kind of reads do you get for magnetic fields in your place?




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Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 9:36 AM
To: Fog Top
Subject: [ES] Re: unexpected rf readings from phone mast?
 
Wow, fantastic thanks, some great info there.
I'm convinced that my large windows are the major problem, so I'll be looking to shield those, before I shell out the expense I think I'd like to confirm this, the rf foil on the website looks promising for the price but I'm in the UK, would those survival blankets do the same trick to block out the windows temporarily to take some readings?.
Thanks again
You guys have been great.

P.s I found an unexpected hotspot in my sons  cot yesterday so moved it to another low spot, best night sleep he's had so far, not a peep


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jinny
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Thanks mate, I’ve ordered some of the sheet stuff, 5m x 1.2m so will be enough to screen a room at a time.

I’ve set aside Friday to really go to town on it and try to find out the maximum levels in the house with the windows screened and all our power switched off, only then will I know what I can achieve realistically in our house.

one eureka moment I had yesterday was pinpointing another source of RF radiation into our house, there is a much smaller mast of some sort about 100m away across the street down the road, I was in our small box room trying to take a steady reading from the “hot spot” on the wall of next door, they confirm they have their router in their room here but I did think it strange that the levels i was reading here were much higher than by our own router even with the meter placed directly in front of it, so I have been using a mirror to act as a shield between the meter and “hot spots” to aid location, when I placed the mirror between the meter and next doors wall the readings increased~? I found this very puzzling so rotated the mirror around behind the meter and boom – readings dropped to virtually nothing, directly in line with the strongest reading and the meter / mirror was the window and this second mast, we knew it was there (even when we moved in but it looks so unimposing thought nothing of it), I wouldn’t have known what it was doing without buying the meter prompted by the large mast outside our house yet the large mast is radiating out towards our house nothing like the smaller one, standing in our back garden meter directed at the large mast the readings are almost ambient – well within the bioinitiative recommended levels for outdoors, yet pointing it down the street I’m getting 1mw/m2.
Inside our house in our bedroom (also facing small mast) right up against the window I’m getting 0.3mw/m2 yet this drops to 0.01 temporarily blocking the meter with a mirror and there will be loads of radiation bouncing around the room.

So far I’ve done around 10 documented readings around the house at various times of day over many days into weeks now and these readings are fairly typical (all in mw/m2)

Worst downstairs 0.3 Peak – 0.1 average (kitchen window end)
Best downstairs 0.1 peak and .01 average (in lounge)

Worst upstairs downstairs 0.3 Peak – 0.2 average (box room opposite smaller mast)
Best upstairs 0.08 peak and 0.03 average (second bedroom ironically closest to large mast)

Readings elsewhere vary anywhere in between

to put some vague context on that I worked out he average average to be 0.062 upstairs and 0.054 downstairs on one particular day.

I’m looking forward to seeing how much just screening the windows improves this.
another thing I noticed (not that it was much of a concern anyway) when I took some readings in our cars, the wife drives a 4x4 diesel and with the engine running the readings were high (I don’t recall the exact number but we were flashing amber leds constantly) yet in my own car the readings were zero, my car is made of fiberglass - don’t know if that has any bearing on it?
Thanks for the input
J King
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Fog Top

Does the wife's car have Bluetooth hookup?  I was in a car recently whose dash console had been programmed to connect with a certain cell phone number.  It constantly pulsed microwaves trying to connect to the unavailable phone until we deleted the phone from the console.


New cars have lots of sensors and if the car has keyless entry and ignition there is a constant RF transmission from doors, ignition and the keyless fob.  I would like to know how the Event Data Recorder (EDR) boxes that they've been installing in most vehicles for about 10 years operate. I have read that the front seat sensors actually weigh the driver and send the data to the EDR.  My husband's newer car gives off a high frequency RF burst whenever the driver or front passenger move even when the engine is off.  I've detected the signal with an HF35C high frequency analyzer.




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Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 8:59 AM
To: Fog Top
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Thanks mate, I’ve ordered some of the sheet stuff, 5m x 1.2m so will be enough to screen a room at a time.

I’ve set aside Friday to really go to town on it and try to find out the maximum levels in the house with the windows screened and all our power switched off, only then will I know what I can achieve realistically in our house.

one eureka moment I had yesterday was pinpointing another source of RF radiation into our house, there is a much smaller mast of some sort about 100m away across the street down the road, I was in our small box room trying to take a steady reading from the “hot spot” on the wall of next door, they confirm they have their router in their room here but I did think it strange that its levels were much higher than our own even with the meter placed directly in front of it, so I have been using a mirror to act as a shield between the meter and “hot spots” to aid location, when I placed the mirror between the meter and next doors wall the readings increased~? I found this very puzzling so rotated the mirror around behind the meter and boom – readings dropped to virtually nothing, directly in line with the strongest reading and the meter / mirror was the window and this second mast, we knew it was there (even when we moved in but it looks so unimposing thought nothing of it, I wouldn’t have known what it was doing without buying the meter prompted by the large mast outside our house yet that large mast is kicking out nothing like the smaller one, standing in our back garden meter directed at the large mast the readings are almost ambient – well within the bioinitiative recommended levels for outdoors, yet pointing it down the street I’m getting 1mw/m2.
Inside our house in our bedroom (also facing small mast) right up against the window I’m getting 0.3mw/m2 yet this drops to 0.01 temporarily blocking the meter with a mirror and there will be loads of radiation bouncing around the room.

So far I’ve done around 10 documented readings around the house at various times of day over many days into weeks now and these readings are fairly typical (all in mw/m2)

Worst downstairs 0.3 Peak – 0.1 average (kitchen window end)
Best downstairs 0.1 peak and .01 average (in lounge)

Worst upstairs downstairs 0.3 Peak – 0.2 average (box room opposite smaller mast)
Best upstairs 0.08 peak and 0.03 average (second bedroom ironically closest to large mast)

Readings elsewhere vary anywhere in between

to put some vague context on that I worked out he average average to be 0.062 upstairs and 0.054 downstairs on one particular day.

I’m looking forward to seeing how much just screening the windows improves this.
another thing I noticed (not that it was much of a concern anyway) when I took some readings in our cars, the wife drives a 4x4 diesel and with the engine running the readings were high (I don’t recall the exact number but we were flashing amber leds constantly) yet in my own car the readings were zero, my car is made of fiberglass - don’t know if that has any bearing on it?
Thanks for the input
J King



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jinny

ha, i don’t fancy being weighed in the car, is there nowhere safe?

as far as im aware there’s nothing too sophisticated on either of our cars, hers is over 10 years old, the readings only come on with the engine running, with the ignition on and engine off there is no signal.

got me intrigued now
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I think some cars have sensors in the seats that are used for input into what level the airbags deploy (full, medium, or not at all).  I know that when I've been more sensitive that there was SOMETHING in my seat that was bothering me, and my car is about 10 years old.

Marc
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Fog Top

List of cars with EDRs (Event Data Recorders) from 1994-2014.  http://harristechnical.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/HTS_CDR_List.pdf


Kim Komando writes about EDR information recorded: "...includes vehicle speed, throttle position, airbag deployment times, whether the brakes were applied, if seatbelts were worn, engine speed, steering angles and more. Manufacturers may also have up to 30 additional data points if they want, excluding, they say, GPS location, video and audio. Also, a black box only stores information for 20 seconds around the crash. http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/komando/2014/12/26/keep-your-car-black-box-private/20609035/

www.usatoday.com
Your car's hidden 'black box' and how to keep it private. You should know what a car's black box is recording and who can get that information.




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I think some cars have sensors in the seats that are used for input into what level the airbags deploy (full, medium, or not at all).  I know that when I've been more sensitive that there was SOMETHING in my seat that was bothering me, and my car is about 10 years old.

Marc



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Marc Martin
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> List of cars with EDRs (Event Data Recorders) from 1994-2014.  
>   http://harristechnical.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/HTS_CDR_List.pdf

Thanks for that list... it looks like I've never owned a car that has an event data recorder.

Marc
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jinny
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Hi all
Sorry for long delay in posting, I've been very busy both at work and home including lots of experimenting in the house.
I've pretty much satisfied myself on the course of action depending upon the performance of the products required.

Working around the house I've found little difference with our own power on or off so that's a start.

Inside the house raking many strategic readings over several days at varying times I've averaged them out and the results are fairly consistent and so is the remedy.
For example in our bedroom the average reading of the average values displayed is 0.1mw/m2 yet screening the windows with Mylar brings that down to 0.016which I feel happy with, the same gies all over the house with the exception of the kitchen /dinning room that requires the wall to be screened also to achieve satisfactory levels so all in I'm feeling confident I can improve things.
There wee a couple of anomalies such as the small box room upstairs that didn't respond well either way to any screening so some more investigation required there but on the whole I'm happy, the lounge is down to 0.005mw/m2

So regarding the screening of the windows, I'm aware you can get specialist rf film that's hellishly expensive, yet I'm told scotch tints works well too?
Is there a particular name for it? Part number?, I've seen it advertised in the US  so I need to see what I can find in the UK. I want as much light transmission as possible as we don't get much sun as it is.

Once I've verified it's effectiveness I can do all the windows then retake the readings to see what is left to do but at worst it looks to be just the outside wall nearest the mast .

Any help on the window film much appreciated.

Regards
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