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Paul Coffman

trouble with radio waves from Airport navigation aids

Hi everyone -

Cell towers bother me quite a bit as it does I'm sure everyone in this
group. However, the sensation I get from these lower-frequency
navigation aids that airports use is much worse than what a cell tower
does to me - specifically there is a 272 KHz non-directional beacon
and a 108 MHz TVOR that our local airport uses that I have finally
determined is what is causing most of my problems at the moment. Has
anyone in the group had a similar issue with Airport stuff?
Supposedly someday this stuff may go away and be replaced with GPS but
who knows when that will happen. I am wondering why this airport
stuff makes me feel so bad, much worse than cell towers. Thanks.

Jane Springs

Re: trouble with radio waves from Airport navigation aids

I have a major problem with airplanes/airplane towers
as well. There have been a number of studies that show
that the fields at airports cause significant health
problems though the studies that I have seen focus on
individuals working at the airports rather than the
public at large.

How were you able to identify the specific frequency
and source at your airport that you believe is causing
your health problem?

It always surprises me when the prominent studies
focus their research on narrow frequency bands such as
cellular only. The studies that do show results look
at a wide spectrum of frequencies to see their effects
on human health.

Jane Springs

--- pkcoff2 <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi everyone -
>
> Cell towers bother me quite a bit as it does I'm
> sure everyone in this
> group. However, the sensation I get from these
> lower-frequency
> navigation aids that airports use is much worse than
> what a cell tower
> does to me - specifically there is a 272 KHz
> non-directional beacon
> and a 108 MHz TVOR that our local airport uses that
> I have finally
> determined is what is causing most of my problems at
> the moment. Has
> anyone in the group had a similar issue with Airport
> stuff?
> Supposedly someday this stuff may go away and be
> replaced with GPS but
> who knows when that will happen. I am wondering why
> this airport
> stuff makes me feel so bad, much worse than cell
> towers. Thanks.
>
>
>

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charles-4

Re: trouble with radio waves from Airport navigation aids

Most airfields use radar and beacon signals which are in the GHz region.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Charles Claessens
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane Springs" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 14:53
Subject: Re: [eSens] trouble with radio waves from Airport navigation aids

>
> I have a major problem with airplanes/airplane towers
> as well. There have been a number of studies that show
> that the fields at airports cause significant health
> problems though the studies that I have seen focus on
> individuals working at the airports rather than the
> public at large.
>
> How were you able to identify the specific frequency
> and source at your airport that you believe is causing
> your health problem?
>
> It always surprises me when the prominent studies
> focus their research on narrow frequency bands such as
> cellular only. The studies that do show results look
> at a wide spectrum of frequencies to see their effects
> on human health.
>
> Jane Springs
>
>
>
> --- pkcoff2 <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone -
>>
>> Cell towers bother me quite a bit as it does I'm
>> sure everyone in this
>> group. However, the sensation I get from these
>> lower-frequency
>> navigation aids that airports use is much worse than
>> what a cell tower
>> does to me - specifically there is a 272 KHz
>> non-directional beacon
>> and a 108 MHz TVOR that our local airport uses that
>> I have finally
>> determined is what is causing most of my problems at
>> the moment. Has
>> anyone in the group had a similar issue with Airport
>> stuff?
>> Supposedly someday this stuff may go away and be
>> replaced with GPS but
>> who knows when that will happen. I am wondering why
>> this airport
>> stuff makes me feel so bad, much worse than cell
>> towers. Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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PUK

Re: trouble with radio waves from Airport navigation aids

In reply to this post by Paul Coffman

cellular only. The studies that do show results look
at a wide spectrum of frequencies to see their effects
on human health.

Jane Springs wrote as above

Paul replies

My thoughts are that you are bound to get a cacophony of frequencies, like
one orchestra playing over another but with different beats/rythms and indeed
instruments, or perhaps a better analogy would be the mixing of chemicals -
the question is can all these radiowaves/microwaves some how mix to form
chaotic results in terms of say new frequencies that effectively carry nothing but
serve to irritate if not significantly effect humans. Who is looking to see
anyhow.

Paul UK

PS One thing that is intriguing - Could Mobile phone antennae be turned up
remotely to the point of causing thermal effects and then on to known athermal
effects to a local community. What a wonderful sleeping policeman for mass
crowd control they could be. But that is just fantasy of course.

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Paul Coffman

Re: trouble with radio waves from Airport navigation aids

In reply to this post by Jane Springs

Jane -

I found out all the specifics because I talked to a pilot who flies into the
airport regularly - they know exactly what navigation aids are operating at
what frequency. My current task is I'm trying to get a definitive answer
from the FAA on if and when this stuff is going away if it will be replaced
by GPS, so far I have located this FAA desk in Washington:

FAA ground based navigation aids: erica anderson 202 267 5582

and I'm still waiting for a callback from her, if anyone else wanted to call
to press the issue please do so. Thanks.

On 2/7/07, Jane Springs <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> I have a major problem with airplanes/airplane towers
> as well. There have been a number of studies that show
> that the fields at airports cause significant health
> problems though the studies that I have seen focus on
> individuals working at the airports rather than the
> public at large.
>
> How were you able to identify the specific frequency
> and source at your airport that you believe is causing
> your health problem?
>
> It always surprises me when the prominent studies
> focus their research on narrow frequency bands such as
> cellular only. The studies that do show results look
> at a wide spectrum of frequencies to see their effects
> on human health.
>
> Jane Springs
>
> --- pkcoff2 <[hidden email] <pkcoff%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone -
> >
> > Cell towers bother me quite a bit as it does I'm
> > sure everyone in this
> > group. However, the sensation I get from these
> > lower-frequency
> > navigation aids that airports use is much worse than
> > what a cell tower
> > does to me - specifically there is a 272 KHz
> > non-directional beacon
> > and a 108 MHz TVOR that our local airport uses that
> > I have finally
> > determined is what is causing most of my problems at
> > the moment. Has
> > anyone in the group had a similar issue with Airport
> > stuff?
> > Supposedly someday this stuff may go away and be
> > replaced with GPS but
> > who knows when that will happen. I am wondering why
> > this airport
> > stuff makes me feel so bad, much worse than cell
> > towers. Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
>
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Paul Coffman

Re: trouble with radio waves from Airport navigation aids

In reply to this post by charles-4

Charles -

Actually most airports in the US don't have radar, just the big ones at
major cities. And most beacons operate in the low AM band Killohertz
region. The TVORs operate in the Mghzregion, so most airports are totally
different animals from the cell phone towers we have to deal with all over
the place. The ironic thing is i shose to live near an airport to get away
from cell towers becasue this airport had atrict building and tower height
restrictions, i didn't realize until it was too late how horribly the
airport radiation would affect me.

On 2/7/07, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Most airfields use radar and beacon signals which are in the GHz region.
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> Charles Claessens
> lid Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> gekontroleerd door Norton Antivirus
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jane Springs" <[hidden email]<chelatingblues%40yahoo.com>
> >
> To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 14:53
> Subject: Re: [eSens] trouble with radio waves from Airport navigation aids
>
> >
> > I have a major problem with airplanes/airplane towers
> > as well. There have been a number of studies that show
> > that the fields at airports cause significant health
> > problems though the studies that I have seen focus on
> > individuals working at the airports rather than the
> > public at large.
> >
> > How were you able to identify the specific frequency
> > and source at your airport that you believe is causing
> > your health problem?
> >
> > It always surprises me when the prominent studies
> > focus their research on narrow frequency bands such as
> > cellular only. The studies that do show results look
> > at a wide spectrum of frequencies to see their effects
> > on human health.
> >
> > Jane Springs
> >
> >
> >
> > --- pkcoff2 <[hidden email] <pkcoff%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi everyone -
> >>
> >> Cell towers bother me quite a bit as it does I'm
> >> sure everyone in this
> >> group. However, the sensation I get from these
> >> lower-frequency
> >> navigation aids that airports use is much worse than
> >> what a cell tower
> >> does to me - specifically there is a 272 KHz
> >> non-directional beacon
> >> and a 108 MHz TVOR that our local airport uses that
> >> I have finally
> >> determined is what is causing most of my problems at
> >> the moment. Has
> >> anyone in the group had a similar issue with Airport
> >> stuff?
> >> Supposedly someday this stuff may go away and be
> >> replaced with GPS but
> >> who knows when that will happen. I am wondering why
> >> this airport
> >> stuff makes me feel so bad, much worse than cell
> >> towers. Thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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Paul Coffman

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Paul Coffman

Re: trouble with radio waves from Airport navigation aids

I finally got through to the FAA - my worse fears are confirmed: there will
eventually be an effort to remove the ground based navigation aids, but it
won't start in ernest until 2010.

On 2/7/07, Paul Coffman <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Charles -
>
> Actually most airports in the US don't have radar, just the big ones at
> major cities. And most beacons operate in the low AM band Killohertz
> region. The TVORs operate in the Mghzregion, so most airports are totally
> different animals from the cell phone towers we have to deal with all over
> the place. The ironic thing is i shose to live near an airport to get away
> from cell towers becasue this airport had atrict building and tower height
> restrictions, i didn't realize until it was too late how horribly the
> airport radiation would affect me.
>
> On 2/7/07, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Most airfields use radar and beacon signals which are in the GHz
> > region.
> >
> > Met vriendelijke groeten,
> > Charles Claessens
> > lid Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > gekontroleerd door Norton Antivirus
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jane Springs" <[hidden email]<chelatingblues%40yahoo.com>
> > >
> > To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 14:53
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] trouble with radio waves from Airport navigation
> > aids
> >
> > >
> > > I have a major problem with airplanes/airplane towers
> > > as well. There have been a number of studies that show
> > > that the fields at airports cause significant health
> > > problems though the studies that I have seen focus on
> > > individuals working at the airports rather than the
> > > public at large.
> > >
> > > How were you able to identify the specific frequency
> > > and source at your airport that you believe is causing
> > > your health problem?
> > >
> > > It always surprises me when the prominent studies
> > > focus their research on narrow frequency bands such as
> > > cellular only. The studies that do show results look
> > > at a wide spectrum of frequencies to see their effects
> > > on human health.
> > >
> > > Jane Springs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- pkcoff2 <[hidden email] <pkcoff%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi everyone -
> > >>
> > >> Cell towers bother me quite a bit as it does I'm
> > >> sure everyone in this
> > >> group. However, the sensation I get from these
> > >> lower-frequency
> > >> navigation aids that airports use is much worse than
> > >> what a cell tower
> > >> does to me - specifically there is a 272 KHz
> > >> non-directional beacon
> > >> and a 108 MHz TVOR that our local airport uses that
> > >> I have finally
> > >> determined is what is causing most of my problems at
> > >> the moment. Has
> > >> anyone in the group had a similar issue with Airport
> > >> stuff?
> > >> Supposedly someday this stuff may go away and be
> > >> replaced with GPS but
> > >> who knows when that will happen. I am wondering why
> > >> this airport
> > >> stuff makes me feel so bad, much worse than cell
> > >> towers. Thanks.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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> Paul Coffman

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SArjuna

Re: trouble with radio waves from Airport navigation aids

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What are the "272 KHz
> > non-directional beacon
> > and a 108 MHz TVOR"
at your local airport used for? What does TVOR stand for?

You did not mention the radar. That would be a biggie.

Regards,
Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com

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Paul Coffman

Re: trouble with radio waves from Airport navigation aids

the 272 khrz ndb is part of the ILS system used to land the planes on the
main runway. That and TVOR are best explaianed by wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHF_omnidirectional_range
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_Landing_System
and this one:
http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/aero/ILS.htm

The airport I live near (La Crosse, WI) does NOT have radar - I confirmed
this with the airport manager. All the ATC is done out of Minneapolis, MN.

On 2/8/07, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> What are the "272 KHz
> > > non-directional beacon
> > > and a 108 MHz TVOR"
> at your local airport used for? What does TVOR stand for?
>
> You did not mention the radar. That would be a biggie.
>
> Regards,
> Shivani Arjuna
> www.LifeEnergies.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Paul Coffman

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