Re: when you have both electrical and chemical sensitivities...

Posted by Patricia on
URL: https://www.es-forum.com/when-you-have-both-electrical-and-chemical-sensitivities-tp4026208p4026264.html

hmm...
you know, russel, i never thought about the difference.  
but you made me question and here is a nice chart
that helped me understand more...
http://www.negativeiongenerators.com/ozonefaq.html

and they say the NIG i have makes no ozone...
http://www.negativeiongenerators.com/ionizer-dustgrabber-combo.html

oh, interesting.  
a negative ion is, "A normal oxygen molecule with an extra electron"
and ozone is "A molecule of oxygen consisting of three oxygen atoms"
 
see?  i was using these things for years and never even
thought about it.  the NIG that has the 'on/off' switch
does generate ozone, i can tell occasionally by the odor.
so when i smell it, i turn it off.  
but my favorite is the plain jane box with the little stick on top.
it kept my condo clean and safe for many years and is by
my side now, in this office.  
i do have to say this, tho...  in the olden days when i had a small, tall
unit, i took it to work with me and plugged it into the same outlet as
the electric typewriters - long time ago.  IBM had to come twice to
fix that typewriter.  so i am careful not to plug my NIGs into the
same area as my computers.  and i put my computers on mega
surge protectors, linked together.  
:)  
love, patricia


On Aug 4, 2013, at 10:31 PM, russel395 wrote:

> I was just looking at the website you provided, the first model listed, "The Happy Machine".  You can click on the pictures for more details.  I didn't see any mention of ozone.  It does say no EMFs.
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> http://www.negativeiongenerators.com/
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> --- In [hidden email], Patricia Robinett <patricia@...> wrote:
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>> can you show me the model, on the web, russel?  
>> i've had numerous versions.
>> love, patricia
>>
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>> On Aug 4, 2013, at 5:17 PM, russel395 wrote:
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>>> Thanks Patricia.  Do you know if that model emits ozone?  I tried a negative ion generator a while back and it really irritated my nose and throat.
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>>> --- In [hidden email], Patricia Robinett <patricia@> wrote:
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>>>> oh, guys!
>>>> i hope this will not offend you if i add
>>>> my two cents to this conversation.  
>>>>
>>>> they have air filters here where i live -
>>>> they also have dehumidifiers - yuck! -
>>>> and they give off a tremendous amount
>>>> of emf.  i would never recommend them
>>>> to anyone who is sensitive to either emf
>>>> or is mcs.  
>>>>
>>>> i can easily erase the chemical odors in my
>>>> space, but i can't erase the emf/emr.  
>>>>
>>>> i use negative ion generators that drop
>>>> particles out of the air, and NIGs have
>>>> no emf unless they are attached to a
>>>> fan... in which case it is the fan that
>>>> makes the emf, not the generator.  
>>>>
>>>> negative ion generators will zap the
>>>> odors of carpet chemicals, paints, smoke,
>>>> mold, dust, animal hair and dander -
>>>> everything and anything in the air.  
>>>>
>>>> i have been using them for over 30
>>>> years.  they work.  and they last for a
>>>> very long time.  i got my favorite one
>>>> at www.negativeiongenerators.com -
>>>> no fan = no emf and it covers 1400 sq'.  
>>>>
>>>> i use mine in the house and also when
>>>> i go to a hotel room.  it cleans the air
>>>> very quickly and i can sleep.  some use
>>>> them in their automobiles.  i do not sit
>>>> too close to them and i have one in my
>>>> bedroom that i can turn up during the
>>>> day and down at night so i can sleep.  
>>>> the electricity in my bedroom was
>>>> turned off for two nights and i really
>>>> noticed the difference in odor - this is
>>>> a very humid area of the country.  
>>>>
>>>> love, patricia  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 4, 2013, at 1:54 PM, russel395 wrote:
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>>>>> Thanks Steve.  I think you may have misread my previous post though.  I said that I was thinking the MCS issues were harder to fix so I think you are disagreeing rather than agreeing.  I don't think air filters are able to filter some things that bother people with MCS due to the particle size being too small.  If there is recent paint on the walls or formaldehyde offgassing from particle board cabinets or low levels of combustion products entering the living area from an oil boiler or gas furnace I don't know if an air filter can make that environment safe.  I guess the same thing can be said for EMF issues though...that there are some problems that shielding or protection devices or whatever won't resolve.  
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>>>>> --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote:
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>>>>>> Very very difficult to find a house or apt. that is completely mcs safe but at least you can get an air cleaner or make some changes.
>>>>>> EMF is harder to fix, I agree.
>>>>>> Steve
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>>>>>> --- In [hidden email], "russel395" <russturk@> wrote:
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>>>>>>> --- In [hidden email], "russel395" <russturk@> wrote:
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>>>>>>>> To tie it in with the housing thread, it is impossible to find the perfect house so is there any indication that someone severely sensitive to both chemicals and EMFs should primarily focus on one over the other.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> In answer to my own question, as far as housing options, the more I think about this the more I think that if you have MCS it is probably most important that any apartment or house you rent or buy is MCS-safe.  I think that EMF issues are probably easier to address or fix.  Don't know if others agree.
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