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> That is very different.
> It depends on the used electronic parts, the manufacturers are using.
> I measured on flat TV's of a certain type very little, but the next week the type was changed form an *H* into a *V*, and is was horrendous.
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> For measuring I use special equipment.
> Have a look at http://www.minderstraling.nl/Pagina050.html
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> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
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>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: russel395
>   To: [hidden email]
>   Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 12:21 AM
>   Subject: [eSens] Re: when you have both electrical and chemical sensitivities...
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>
>   Charles, do pretty much all appliances that plug into the wall emit "dirty air" or only some of them?
>
>   --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
>   >
>   > *Dirty air* is dangerous elektrosmog, for which electrosensitives may react heavily.
>   >
>   > It goes through walls, etc.
>   > Like with certain TV's.
>   >
>   > Greetings,
>   > Charles Claessens
>   > www.milieuziektes.nl
>   > www.milieuziektes.be
>   > www.minderstraling.nl
>   > www.hetbitje.nl
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>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From: Patricia Robinett
>   >   To: [hidden email]
>   >   Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 12:02 AM
>   >   Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: when you have both electrical and chemical sensitivities...
>   >
>   >
>   >   how much, charles?
>   >   and is it 'dirty air' or is it just 'charged air'
>   >   that zaps particles out of the atmosphere?
>   >   thanks.
>   >   patricia
>   >
>   >   On Aug 4, 2013, at 4:13 PM, charles wrote:
>   >
>   >   > I am soorry to disappoint you here.
>   >   >
>   >   > All negative ion generators do emit EMF.
>   >   > They produce what I call *dirty air*.
>   >   > These are frequencies from 5kHz up to 20MHz.
>   >   >
>   >   > Most meters cannot measure these frequencies, because these frequencies fall out of their range.
>   >   >
>   >   > Greetings,
>   >   > Charles Claessens
>   >   > www.milieuziektes.nl
>   >   > www.milieuziektes.be
>   >   > www.minderstraling.nl
>   >   > www.hetbitje.nl
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>   >   >  ----- Original Message -----
>   >   >  From: Patricia Robinett
>   >   >  To: [hidden email]
>   >   >  Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:58 PM
>   >   >  Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: when you have both electrical and chemical sensitivities...
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   >  oh, guys!
>   >   >  i hope this will not offend you if i add
>   >   >  my two cents to this conversation.  
>   >   >
>   >   >  they have air filters here where i live -
>   >   >  they also have dehumidifiers - yuck! -
>   >   >  and they give off a tremendous amount
>   >   >  of emf.  i would never recommend them
>   >   >  to anyone who is sensitive to either emf
>   >   >  or is mcs.  
>   >   >
>   >   >  i can easily erase the chemical odors in my
>   >   >  space, but i can't erase the emf/emr.  
>   >   >
>   >   >  i use negative ion generators that drop
>   >   >  particles out of the air, and NIGs have
>   >   >  no emf unless they are attached to a
>   >   >  fan... in which case it is the fan that
>   >   >  makes the emf, not the generator.  
>   >   >
>   >   >  negative ion generators will zap the
>   >   >  odors of carpet chemicals, paints, smoke,
>   >   >  mold, dust, animal hair and dander -
>   >   >  everything and anything in the air.  
>   >   >
>   >   >  i have been using them for over 30
>   >   >  years.  they work.  and they last for a
>   >   >  very long time.  i got my favorite one
>   >   >  at www.negativeiongenerators.com -
>   >   >  no fan = no emf and it covers 1400 sq'.  
>   >   >
>   >   >  i use mine in the house and also when
>   >   >  i go to a hotel room.  it cleans the air
>   >   >  very quickly and i can sleep.  some use
>   >   >  them in their automobiles.  i do not sit
>   >   >  too close to them and i have one in my
>   >   >  bedroom that i can turn up during the
>   >   >  day and down at night so i can sleep.  
>   >   >  the electricity in my bedroom was
>   >   >  turned off for two nights and i really
>   >   >  noticed the difference in odor - this is
>   >   >  a very humid area of the country.  
>   >   >
>   >   >  love, patricia  
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   >  On Aug 4, 2013, at 1:54 PM, russel395 wrote:
>   >   >
>   >   >> Thanks Steve.  I think you may have misread my previous post though.  I said that I was thinking the MCS issues were harder to fix so I think you are disagreeing rather than agreeing.  I don't think air filters are able to filter some things that bother people with MCS due to the particle size being too small.  If there is recent paint on the walls or formaldehyde offgassing from particle board cabinets or low levels of combustion products entering the living area from an oil boiler or gas furnace I don't know if an air filter can make that environment safe.  I guess the same thing can be said for EMF issues though...that there are some problems that shielding or protection devices or whatever won't resolve.  
>   >   >>
>   >   >>
>   >   >> --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote:
>   >   >>>
>   >   >>> Very very difficult to find a house or apt. that is completely mcs safe but at least you can get an air cleaner or make some changes.
>   >   >>> EMF is harder to fix, I agree.
>   >   >>> Steve
>   >   >>>
>   >   >>> --- In [hidden email], "russel395" <russturk@> wrote:
>   >   >>>>
>   >   >>>> --- In [hidden email], "russel395" <russturk@> wrote:
>   >   >>>>>
>   >   >>>>> To tie it in with the housing thread, it is impossible to find the perfect house so is there any indication that someone severely sensitive to both chemicals and EMFs should primarily focus on one over the other.
>   >   >>>>>
>   >   >>>>
>   >   >>>> In answer to my own question, as far as housing options, the more I think about this the more I think that if you have MCS it is probably most important that any apartment or house you rent or buy is MCS-safe.  I think that EMF issues are probably easier to address or fix.  Don't know if others agree.
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