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> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 7:50 PM PDT ob4567 wrote:
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> >Al -
> >
> >More on the use of a remote SS relay probably causing dirty electricity....what is your opinion?   Would I be defeating my purpose by adding dirty electricity to the very line I am trying to isolate from any extraneous signals so the canopy doesn't amplify them?  
> >--- In [hidden email], "ob4567" <sueandgerry@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Al,
> >>
> >> OK on the o'scope!   I will keep the 20 foot area in mind.
> >>
> >> I appreciate the links to the videos, but my laptop audio circuit zaps
> >> my energy within moments so it remains disabled, making most videos hard
> >> to follow (except this one I just got in email  -completely off the
> >> subject of this forum but cool just the same lol  The Incredible Power
> >> Of Concentration - Miyoko Shida
> >> <http://www.flixxy.com/the-incredible-power-of-concentration-miyoko-shid\
> >> a.htm>  ).
> >>
> >> I found Mike Holt's website and his newsletters on stray voltage, so
> >> I'll check them out.
> >>
> >> G3-PLC!...Green Bank WV keeps looking better all the time, even with its
> >> harsh winters, 1950's mindset and isolation from family and friends.
> >>
> >> Since the remote controlled relays are solid state,  I guess using one
> >> adds to the dirty electricity we already have - still giving it a lot of
> >> thought, though ...Depending on its size,  we might be able to install
> >> it inside garage elctrical subpanel.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> Sue
> >>
> >>
> >> Sue
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Sue,
> >> > Yes your oscilloscope will work because you will be looking for
> >> anything in the lower KHz range. Connecting two screwdrivers in the
> >> earth approximately 50 feet away from each other will show you any
> >> interference in the ground. Make sure the earth is wet in both
> >> spots.A passive probe will work for what you are looking at and the
> >> leave the ground clip disconnected.Â
> >> >
> >> > The ground contact area should be within 20 feet of the canopy and
> >> make sure to use a 6 foot grounding rod. Â Here is a must see video
> >> from Mike Holt discussing stray voltage  and grounding.Â
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAs_FmdxXhQ
> >> >
> >> > Yes you can use those or build your own. I have used an OPTO 22 Model
> >> 120D25http://www.ebay.com/itm/Opto-22-120D25-Solid-State-Relay-32VDC-140\
> >> VAC-25A-NEW-/221047375902?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item337773481e
> >> > with a remote control switch.Â
> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-remote-control-switch-220V-1-drag-2-way\
> >> -3000-m-/180988572949?pt=Home_Automation_Modules&hash=item2a23c27515
> >> >
> >> > Yes, the neutral could carry something new called G3-PLC which uses a
> >> 10KHz- 500KHz frequency to communicate with home appliances. I have seen
> >> it create a 10 foot field on an energized wire. They tout that it jumps
> >> transformers and it's due to such a huge wavelength. It's a real
> >> nightmare!
> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAJOfqTq9lI
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Al
> >> >
> >> > ________________________________
> >> >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
> >> > To: [hidden email]
> >> > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 9:08 AM
> >> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment - canopy heaven on 1 condition
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Â
> >> > Hi Al,
> >> >
> >> > Your email is prompting a lot more questions :)  Thanks for all of
> >> your
> >> > input!
> >> >
> >> > Regarding checking the location of the ground stake - We just happen
> >> to
> >> > have an oscilloscope! However, it is an old 15Mhz scope we inherited
> >> > from a friend.    Is that enough bandwidth?
> >> >
> >> > What would a bad location for a ground look like as far as scope
> >> signals
> >> > go?
> >> >
> >> > I just read up on scope probes.   Do I need an active probe rather
> >> than
> >> > a passive one or is a passive X1 probe good enough?
> >> >
> >> > When checking the location, do I put the probe on the ground stake
> >> that
> >> > is inserted into the earth and leave the probe's ground clip
> >> > disconnected?
> >> >
> >> > Regarding installing a remote solid state switch -
> >> >
> >> > Does the kind of solid state remote switch you have in mind disconnect
> >> > both the hot and neutral connections?
> >> >
> >> > Are you talking about something along these lines? Automoatic Demand
> >> > Switch         Or this?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> http://www.landisgyr.com/webfoo/wp-content/uploads/product-files/TS2Remo\
> >> \
> >> > teServiceSwitchSellSheet_AMI_PLC1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > (sorry, can't get the insert link function to work with the above
> >> link)
> >> >
> >> > What is your opinion on this? ....We normally keep most of the circuit
> >> > breakers off in the house.    If the remote switch does disconnect
> >> both
> >> > the hot and neutral wires in the canopy room, there will still be some
> >> > power in other parts of the house, if we are operating normally.  
> >> Will
> >> > whatever is carried on the neutral and ground wires in those parts of
> >> > the house also be induced into the disconnected neutral and ground
> >> wires
> >> > in the canopy room just because they may physically near?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks again!
> >> > Sue
> >> > --- In [hidden email], Al Harding  wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Sue,
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm elated for you! Thanks for sharing your results as there may be
> >> > someone lurking that is having a terrible time and can't find
> >> > relief.Â
> >> > >
> >> > > You may want to have an electrician install remote solid state
> >> > switches. That way you could disconnect from your bedroom.Â
> >> > >
> >> > > Make sure that the shielded cable has metal braiding inside of the
> >> > plastic housing. The stuff that they use for a cable box will do.
> >> Also,
> >> > test where the ground stake is located. Â An oscilloscope is
> >> optimal
> >> > to make sure it's a good ground and keep it away from your main power
> >> > line.Â
> >> > >
> >> > > Al
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ________________________________
> >> > >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
> >> > > To: [hidden email]
> >> > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:47 PM
> >> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment - canopy heaven on 1
> >> condition
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Â
> >> > > Al,
> >> > >
> >> > > I've given a lot of thought to your comment about energy always
> >> being
> >> > present on the neutral wire.  We tried a new test - disconnected the
> >> > power to the house at the main electrical panel, then also
> >> disconnected
> >> > the neutral wire at the load side so that the house neutral wires were
> >> > no longer connected to the utility company's neutral and ground.
> >> > >
> >> > > Then I went inside the canopy to discover Canopy Heaven :) It felt
> >> > sooooooo good to be in there! reminding me of being at a beach with no
> >> > signals.    The need to get out of the canopy or of having had enough
> >> > completely disappeared.   Just wonderful :)
> >> > >
> >> > > Of course, being without power and neutral isn't practical.   I wish
> >> > there were a filter of some kind to block what is being transferred to
> >> > the house neutral and ground wires when the neutral is connected up at
> >> > the main panel.
> >> > >
> >> > > Anyhow, the good feeling in the canopy is enough to motivate me to
> >> try
> >> > the idea of the shielded cable connected to a ground rod outside.
> >> > > I see that there are different kinds of shielding cable.   Do you
> >> have
> >> > a recommendation as to the kind of shielding cable?
> >> > >
> >> > > In the meantime, I've been having some success using the microwave
> >> > absorbing material in our old electrical power free motorhome.   But
> >> an
> >> > occasional pulse does get through.     I think it's our neighbor's
> >> smart
> >> > meter pulses, judging by the looks and timing of them on the RF meter
> >> > screen.  The canopy inside the house laughs at smart meter pulses
> >> (they
> >> > don't get through).
> >> > >
> >> > > Sue
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Sue,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > There is always energy on the neutral wire even when the breaker
> >> is
> >> > off. EMF will use energized wire to travel on. ÃÆ'‚Â
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The best way to get a good ground is with a shielded cable,
> >> situated
> >> > away from the house wiring, attached to a properly installed grounding
> >> > rod.ÃÆ'‚Â
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Al
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ________________________________
> >> > > >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
> >> > > > To: [hidden email]
> >> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:31 PM
> >> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on
> >> > grounding
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ÃÆ'‚Â
> >> > > > Hi Debbie,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thanks for your comments :).  It sounds like what you are doing is
> >> > succeeding so far.    A friend bought some microwave absorbing
> >> material
> >> > and put it under her hat and says it helps.   It is thin, has a fine
> >> > coating of plastic and is quite thin and easy to shape.   When wearing
> >> > shielding clothing, have you tried using an absorbing material rather
> >> > than fabrics that shield by reflecting EMF's away?  Just curious if
> >> you
> >> > notice any difference between reflective and aborbing material.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Also, if it's not too much trouble, can you please give some
> >> details
> >> > about the bad EMF's you got from your grounding system?   Thanks if
> >> you
> >> > can :).
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I think you are right about about many of us having bacteria and
> >> > pathogens we may not know about, that EMF's can help them thrive in
> >> our
> >> > bodies, and that their dying off can create symptoms.   This is the
> >> > first I've heard about Candida living under the skin!  Interesting.
> >> :)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I don't think the skin sensations I'm experiencing fits in the
> >> > die-off scenario though, because the skin sensations are only
> >> happening
> >> > when there is electrical power in the wires inside the walls of the
> >> > canopy room and I am inside the canopy.   When there is no electrical
> >> > power in the wires, and I am in the canopy, there is no odd skin
> >> > sensation at all.     I'm highly sensitive to ELF's.   Suspect they
> >> > somehow get picked up from the energized wires in the walls and
> >> > broadcasted in some way inside the canopy, regardless of the ground.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Sue
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --- In [hidden email], Debbie4God39@ wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > hi Sue, I've been experimenting with wearing shielded garments
> >> etc
> >> > for
> >> > > > > 2 years and totally relate to the skin burning and feeling like
> >> > I've
> >> > > > > had enough at times--though it seems to have all the same good
> >> > effects
> >> > > > > that you mentioned!  body relaxing, etc!  What I think is
> >> > happening is
> >> > > > > the most of us have more bacteria, and pathogens in our body
> >> than
> >> > we
> >> > > > > realize, and they are assisted by bad EMF's, when that is gone,
> >> > they
> >> > > > > start to die, and its a known fact, like with candida die off,
> >> > when
> >> > > > > they do they let off even more toxins when alive, and they often
> >> > live
> >> > > > > under the skin...so I use it off and on, and think it aids my
> >> > body....
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > but I have gotten bad emf's from my grounding system in my house
> >> > too...
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > > From: ob4567
> >> > > > > To: eSens [hidden email]
> >> > > > > Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2013 1:09 pm
> >> > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on
> >> > > > > grounding
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Â
> >> > > > > Turned all power off to our house at the utility box located on
> >> > the
> >> > > > > outside of the house wall,  then went inside the canopy.  The
> >> skin
> >> > > > > sensitivity and stinging sensation disappeared.  The newly
> >> > increased
> >> > > > > tinnitus decreased while inside the canopy! A total surprise.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Here's the question - disconnected the ground to see what would
> >> > happen.
> >> > > > >   Instantly could not stand being in the canopy, so reconnected
> >> it
> >> > > > > immediately.  Any thoughts about what is being grounded?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I thought the ground was for the 60hz electrical fields because
> >> > these
> >> > > > > metallic shielding fabrics amplify them, but the canopy appears
> >> to
> >> > > > > still be picking up a charge of some kind with the electrical
> >> > power
> >> > > > > turned off.  I wasn't aware of RF fields creating a charge too,
> >> > but I
> >> > > > > guess it makes sense, if that is the case.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Even though the above improvements happened, my body felt like
> >> it
> >> > "had
> >> > > > > enough" of the canopy after about 15 minutes and I felt the need
> >> > to get
> >> > > > > out.  Later,  a friend and I went inside for awhile and the same
> >> > thing
> >> > > > > happened again for me.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I doubt this need to get out of the grounded canopy has anything
> >> > to do
> >> > > > > with my body missing the usual RF signals because I've been in a
> >> > > > > natural setting with no signals for a couple of nights and it
> >> felt
> >> > > > > wonderful!   Something about being inside the canopy is still
> >> not
> >> > right
> >> > > > > for my body.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > --- In [hidden email], "ob4567" sueandgerry@ wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Hi Marc,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.
> >> :)
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to
> >> > determine
> >> > > > > if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or
> >> if
> >> > I
> >> > > > > need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.
> >> > (Trying to
> >> > > > > avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so
> >> there
> >> > is
> >> > > > > lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB
> >> from
> >> > well
> >> > > > > below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to
> >> earth
> >> > > > > ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the
> >> > room
> >> > > > > and the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms
> >> > > > > resistence between the canopy and the mat.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the
> >> canopy
> >> > > > > it registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi
> >> > signals.
> >> > > > >     The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably
> >> > less
> >> > > > > inside the canopy than other places in the house.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am
> >> > > > > outside of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when
> >> they
> >> > were
> >> > > > > inside of it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show
> >> > great
> >> > > > > results.    when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I
> >> > feel
> >> > > > > like my body has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't
> >> > last,
> >> > > > > but still great news.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a
> >> lot
> >> > > > > of my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for
> >> > awhile,
> >> > > > > my skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5
> >> > > > > minutes after I am outside of the canopy.
> >> > > > > > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
> >> > > > > shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation
> >> change
> >> > is
> >> > > > > almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large
> >> canopy
> >> > to be
> >> > > > > as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in
> >> > it, I
> >> > > > > awoke with increased tinnitus.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I
> >> was
> >> > > > > out,  my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly
> >> > loud
> >> > > > > noise.  The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for
> >> the
> >> > > > > increase in ringing.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the
> >> > use
> >> > > > > of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an
> >> > "orgon
> >> > > > > box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the
> >> canopy
> >> > and
> >> > > > > bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and
> >> they
> >> > > > > dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be
> >> > > > > reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can
> >> > build
> >> > > > > up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of
> >> > EMF's.
> >> > > > > I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't
> >> sleep
> >> > in
> >> > > > > it lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Moving on :)
> >> > > > > > Sue
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