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Josephine Z on
URL: https://www.es-forum.com/New-member-tp4022590p4022616.html
Lizzie, thanks for your email. I am not looking, from my doctor, anything she cannot provide. I rather, in a more positive note, continue on my path of recovery and get well, without the need of taking prescription drugs. Will however get my doctor all the information and see how she will react and I shall pass it on to the group.
Josephine
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From: Elizabeth thode <
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Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 6:49:06 PM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: New member
Hi
Shan and Josephine,
Bravo
Shan! I don’t know which part I liked best: the “I won’t help a doctor hide
their head in the sand” or the “I can’t help you with spineless doctors!”.
Josephine:
You state you are going to see if your family dr is “willing” to share her
email address with you? I’m hoping you
have family support and if you do; perhaps a few phone calls from various
family members would be in order.
First
to remind this “family doctor” that she is the employee and works for you!
Second, to remind her/him that they have a DUTY to do NO harm. In essence, by
choosing NOT to address this issue in a fair manner, they are sending a message
to other patients that they do not abide by this credo.
Especially
as this is a recognized condition in your country, and I might add, it was a
hard won victory.
I
have an Esser friend who lives in Florida, and an Environmental Dr signed his
diagnosis “Radiation damage”. First time I’ve ever known a Dr in the US to do
this.
Josephine,
Shan is right. You’re going to have to be firm and not take NO for an answer.
Politely but firmly state what you require. If need be, call this Dr’s office
EVERY day until you succeed! Again, one does not need to be rude, just pleasantly firm as in : "I'm not going away until I get what I need!"
Blessings,
Lizzie
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:10:10 -0700
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New member
Thanks Shan... I will try to see whether my family doctor is prepared to give me her email address so I can send her the links... Many doctors prefer putting their head in the sand, but there is no harm in trying...
Josephine
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Subject: [eSens] Re: New member
My understanding is the legislature said that MCS was an "Environmental Illness" and that EMS was also sensitivities to part of the environment -- the same thing but sensitivities to frequencies instead of chemicals and they concluded that sensitivities to electromagnetic frequencies was just another kind of sensitivities - like some people with allergies react to dust and some are sensitive to grass and some are sensitive to corn,some react to eggs, some to milk, etc-- but dust, grass, corn,eggs,milk etc are all considered allergies. So chemicals and frequencies are all lumped together too and called MCS or an Environmental Illness.
Please do not ask me to understand this.......
In the pdf files about MCS etc -- they do mention Fibro and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and say they are environmental illnesses -- but I get the impression that "they" again think that those disorders are part and parcel of MCS too.......the language in the legislature is is not as clear & specific though about Fibro and CFS as it is about EMS .... I suspect that because of that , "legally" there is room for argument.........regarding Fibro and CFS.
In my experience not even all doctors whom specialize in Environmental Illnesses know about the legislature in 2007 --though they should.
Policy on Environmental Sensitivities
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspxIf you find a mainstream medical doctor that knows that MCS and EMS are "official" environmental illnesses in Canada, well we are close to a miracle here in my perception.........
Why don't you give to your doctors that url to the legislature
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx ; as it also contains links to the Medical & Legal pdf files and if they are truly interested they can download and read the pdf files. You can also give your doctors the 800 number to the federal office of the Human Rights Commission 1-888-643-3304
If a doctor won't stand behind his/her own diagnosis , then they are not very confident of their own abilities , in my perception. Medical doctors with spine and the character to stand behind what they say are in short supply in my experience. I can't help you with doctors whom are spineless - the only way I have ever been able to deal with them is to avoid them as much as possible...However in my experience most medical doctors are very very poorly informed - Environmental Illness doctors are generally better informed but not all of them --it takes a certain amount of work to be informed, plus if the doctors do not know something,they can ignore it. [[gee I am getting cynical!]
I also get the feeling that the government really went out on a limb, so to speak, in their perception, with the legislature and ran out of guts/character so didn't strongly include Fibro and CFS........in other words , they got cold feet before they were properly finished......Still having even only MCS and EMS recognized is no small thing -- though now there are several other countries that also recognize MCS & EHS, like Sweden, Germany, Spain, France, Japan, etc And things are going in the right direction even in the States..........
EI [Environmental Illnesses] docs are board certified in at least 8 states in the USA , thus it is recognized in these states. Plus the courses for Environmental Illnesses are accredited by the AMA for CME.
Thirty-six governors and mayors across America have already issued proclamations that May was Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and Toxic Injury Awareness Month in America in an effort to raise public awareness of the risks faced everyday by Americans living with multiple chemical sensitivity and toxic injury.
This information is on at least 2 websites that I know of, just off of the top of my head at the moment - including a list of which governors and mayors etc and the signed proclamations
If it was me; I would definitely inform all my doctors -- I will not help a doctor to hide his/her head in the sand....... regardless how well intentioned the doctor will sometimes be. We live in a reality and if we are going to get "effective" medical care and assistance then we have to be able to deal with what is real.....I am not saying it is easy .....I am saying that it is necessary.
blessings
Shan
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[hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@...> wrote:
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> Thanks Shan. Â
>
> When I told my family doctor, who diagnosed me with fibro that my osteopath said I was most likely inflicted with EMS, she said that, even so, it was not recognized in Canada, nor in BC. Â This was in 2009. Â Â My family doctor, although, believes it off record that I have EMS, she is not willing to put it on the record. Â Whereas, I am doing better, I still need to move out from the city, sooner than later, so that the natural health protocol I am on will have a full effect. Â In the meantime, you think I should let my MD know about the information you provided me with? Â If EMS is an "official disability" than I wonder why the federal governemt is not recognizing fibro as an "official disability"?
>
> Josephine  Â
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> ________________________________
> From: bestsurprise2 <surpriseshan2@...>
> To:
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> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:43:24 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: New member
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> Josephine are you aware that Electromagnetic Sensitivities is considered an "official" disability in Canada? it is considered to be an Environmental Illness and similar to MCS [Multiple Chemical Sensitivities]. If I remember correctly/I am pretty sure that Fibromyalgia [FM]and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome [CFS] are also Environmental Illnesses.
> On the Canadian Human Rights Commission website
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/ they have a pdf file of the medical reasons why EMS is a disability as well as a pdf file of the legal reasons; plus also explaining that MCS and EMS have to be accommodated in Canada-- the legislature was passed in Jan/Feb of 2007 EMS is considered to be part of MCS. Plus since the disorder you have does quality as an "official" disability ,you also qualify for this
>
> CERA - Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodations
> The Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodation (CERA) is the only organization in Canada dedicated to ending discrimination in housing and promoting human rights in housing.
> CERA carries out this work through public education, research, law reform, human rights casework, test case litigation and using international human rights law and mechanisms.
> If you have experienced discrimination related to your housing, call us at 1-800-263-1139 ext. 22. You can also e-mail us at intake@...
>
http://www.equalityrights.org/cera/>
> I live in Ottawa,Ontario and have a couple of times needed to inform a company that MCS [and also EMS] is an official disability and has to be accommodated in Canada. Some insurance companies in particular, in my experience, seem to not realize that MCS/EHS is an official disability in Canada. Some insurance companies like Halifax Insurance have a policy to accommodate disabilities regardless if they are "official " or not but others like The Co-operators attempt to insist that "insurance companies do not need to accommodate environmental sensitivities". I have been quite surprised a couple of times by how many people with environmental illnesses do not realize that they legally have to be accommodated.
> I believe there is an organization in BC which has filed 2 class action lawsuits against smart meter companies -- one lawsuit is for the violation of human rights under the Canadian Charter of Human Rights and the other lawsuit liability for Personal Injury
>
> Canadian Human Rights Commission
> National Office
> 344 Slater Street, 8th Floor, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1E1, Canada
> Telephone:
> (613) 995-1151
> Toll Free: 1-888-214-1090
> TTY: 1-888-643-3304
> Fax: (613) 996-9661
> Regional Offices
>
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/about/reach_us-eng.aspx>
> ---
>
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page7-eng.aspx>
> Electromagnetic radiation and fields
>
> "Electromagnetic radiation" covers a broad range of frequencies (over 20 orders of magnitude), from low frequencies in electricity supplies, radiowaves and microwaves, infrared and visible light, to x-rays and cosmic rays.224 Our limited understanding of the biological effects of the vast majority of frequencies gives reason for concern.225-230 Although there is still debate in this regard,231-233 tinnitus, brain tumours and acoustic neuroma are associated with cell phones and mobile phones. 234-237
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> Communications and radar antennae expose those who live or work near these installations to their emissions. The radiation travels through buildings, and can also be conducted along electrical wires or metal plumbing. Wireless communications create levels within buildings that are orders of magnitude higher than natural background levels.238
>
> The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges the condition of electromagnetic sensitivity, and published a 2006 research agenda for radio-frequency fields.239 The WHO recommends that people reporting sensitivities receive a comprehensive health evaluation. It states: "Some studies suggest that certain physiological responses of EHS individuals tend to be outside the normal range. In particular, hyperactivity in the central nervous system and imbalance in the autonomic nervous system need to be followed up in clinical investigations and the results for the individuals taken as input for possible treatment." Studies of individuals with sensitivities ought to consider sufficient acclimatization of subjects as recommended by Joffres for chemical sensitivities,72 as well as recognition of individuals' wavelength-specific sensitivities. Reduction of electromagnetic radiation may ameliorate symptoms in people with chronic fatigue.240
>
> It is worth noting that off-gassing of electrical equipment may also contribute to sensitivities.84 Different sorts of technology (e.g. various medical equipment, analogue or digital telephones; flat screen monitors and laptop computers or larger older monitors) may vary significantly in strength, frequency and pattern of electromagnetic fields.238
> ----
> THE MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE ON ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES
> By: Margaret E. Sears (M.Eng., Ph.D.)
> Abstract
> Approximately 3% of Canadians have been diagnosed with environmental sensitivities, and many more are somewhat sensitive to traces of chemicals and/or electromagnetic phenomena in the environment. People experience neurological and numerous other symptoms, and avoidance of triggers is an essential step to regaining health. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report to summarize scientific information about environmental sensitivities. For those interested in the original scientific and technical literature, an annotated bibliography is available on request from environmentalhealthmed@... This report addresses issues such as the definition and prevalence of environmental sensitivities; recognition by medical authorities; education and training within the medical community; origins, triggers and symptoms of sensitivities; impact of environmental sensitivities in the workplace; government policies and standards for building codes,
> air quality and ventilation as they affect individuals with environmental sensitivities; and guidelines for accommodation within the workplace. For people with environmental sensitivities, their health and ability to work rests with the actions of others, including building managers, co-workers and clients. Accommodating people with environmental sensitivities presents an opportunity to improve workplace environmental quality and worker performance, and may help prevent the onset of sensitivities in others.
>
> To view the full report please connect to link below:
> Medical Perspective
>
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx>
> For further information on environmental sensitivities, click on the following Commission publications:
> The Medical Perspective on Environmental Sensitivities
>
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/envsensitivity_en.pdf>
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx>
> ACCOMODATION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES: LEGAL PERSPECTIVE
> By: Cara Wilkie and David Baker
> Abstract
>
> Environmental sensitivities are a group of poorly understood medical conditions that cause people to react adversely to environmental triggers. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report, in which the researchers seek to establish the status of the issues related to environmental sensitivities from a legal perspective and as these relate to the protection of human rights. The researchers examined case law, consulted experts and examined secondary sources on accommodation of people with environmental sensitivities in Canada, the United States, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, in order to answer several questions in the Canadian context: What is the status of the case law in these jurisdictions? Do building codes act as barriers to people with environmental sensitivities? What best practices emerge from the case law? How are conflicting interests reconciled? How can third parties be involved in the accommodation process?
> Where is the threshold of undue hardship? How are conflicts regarding accommodation preferences resolved?
>
> To view the full report please connect to link below:
> Accomodation / Legal Perspective
>
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx>
> Accommodation for Environmental Sensitivities: Legal Perspective
>
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/legal_sensitivity_en.pdf> References:
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page14-eng.aspx>
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx>
> Ontario Human Rights Commission Policy & Guidlines on Disabiliy & the Duty to Accommodate
>
http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/Policies/PolicyDisAccom2/pdf>
> blessings
> Shan
>
> --- In
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> >
> > Aimee, I also live in
> > Canada.  While I have been a member for over one-month, this is my first
> > post and my introduction to the group.ÂÂ
> >
> > Unfortunately, the
> > apartment building where I live already has "the not so smart
> > meters". They were installed this year.  There is also lots of cell
> > phone antennas all over the city I live in. ÂÂ
> >
> >
> > A few years ago I was
> > also diagnosed with fibro by my MD. I sought a second opinion from an
> > alternative doctor, whose specialty, amongst others, was treating his patients
> > who suffer from fibromyalgia. Although EMS is not yet fully accepted diagnosis
> > by the medical field, my osteopath (MD as well), after examining me, and after
> > hearing me tell the story of cell phone tower antennas having been installed
> > all over my community since the
> > mid-eighties without the public's knowledge, advised me that I was most likely
> > exposed to Electromagnetic Fields. ÂÂ
> >
> > I am not sure whether the product you
> > mention is reliable or not... I know, for myself, it seems the only route to
> > take, was to detoxify...  If you want to know more, you can email me
> > privately.ÂÂ
> >
> >
> > In the meantime, did you google the product and what others say about it?
> > ÂÂ
> > Josephine
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Aimee <ohkanaduh@>
> > To:
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> > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:56:15 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] New member
> >
> >
> > ÂÂ
> > Hello gang,
> > just to give some background on me, I am a nurse that was injured on the job. Not working now. The injury went to Myofascial Pain, Fibromyalgia and now Enviromental and Electrical Sensitivies. Are we having fun yet?? nope.
> >
> > I live in Canada. Our town is getting the Not-So-Smart-Meters and so far I have been able to keep them away , but it's only a matter of time before they install one and it's on a bedroom wall. I have tried a whole house 'harmonizer' (cause I forgot the correct word lol ) but my husband has a pacemaker and we found it too strong. We both had flu symptoms when I would plug it in! I have finally been able to tolerate the Pendant I got from the same place.
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience with Gia Products? or Earth Calm? other then that I don't have a clue what we can do to protect ourselves. I would love some ideas from those who have been there.....
> > thank you in advance
> > Aimee
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