> To: [hidden email]
> From: [hidden email]
> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 18:41:50 -0700
> Subject: Re: [eSens] RF DOES PIGGYBACK ON HOUSE WIRING
>
> Yes there are a lot of fires. But I don't count hundreds.
> We need to keep our credibility and not say things that are not true.
> Every fire I read about seems to have happened in the meter housing,
> probably because of corroded contacts or improper installation. Yes some
> TVs went bad, but if you have arcing in the meter box you're getting
> tremendous surges and harmonics,
> as well as RF. I don't see any evidence that a properly functioning meter
> can do anything like that.
>
> In fact it raises the question as to whether the people
> who have reacted so badly to smart meters are actually reacting to arcing
> at the meter connection. If anyone has been keeping track of these
> problems, it should be noted how old the house was.
>
> I should add that some meters have the capability of
> the power company being able to disconnect your power remotely. This
> strikes me as a potential source of problems including fires if that switch
> (which must handle up to 200 amps) malfunctions.
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Get yourself a cup of tea and settle in for some reading.
> > This isn't all of it, but it gives some pretty damn convincing evidence.
> > Especially the story from the fireman's own house!
> > I had a RF water meter installed..it was on my house for 42 hrs. After I
> > had
> > the city remove it, it took 3 DAYS for my wiring to calm down! I was still
> > getting
> > RF readings AFTER they took it off.
> > I found two other reports from MI, of cases where they lost appliances-
> > due to
> > smart meters. Good thing I copied them...went back a week later and these
> > reports WERE GONE! Same thing with several other articles I found. I did
> > copy
> > them, and days later, THEY WERE ALSO GONE! The point is, just because you
> > can't
> > find it, does NOT mean this stuff isn't happening everywhere.
> > The one from firefighter nation? There were 3 post on there back in May,
> > that said firefighters
> > were looking for info on fires from smartmeters. I didn't do a thorough
> > check but it doesn't look
> > like they are still on there. **And think about this: the smart meters on
> > fire is an obvious one. But
> > how many house fires have there been, where the fire started away from the
> > meter, due to
> > older wiring? Who would have known to connect the dots?
> > Happy reading
> > Lizzie
> >
> > Fire investigators probe link between smart meters and house fires ...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > my.firefighternation.com/xn/detail/889755:Topic:6080253
> > Smart Meter Fires and Explosions | EMF Safety Network
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > emfsafetynetwork.org/?page_id=1280
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > From: [hidden email]
> > > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 16:06:20 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] RF DOES PIGGYBACK ON HOUSE WIRING
> > >
> > > I had not heard about any fires attributed to smart meters (except the
> > > possibility the San Bruno gas fire was related). I would like to see info
> > > on other fires if you can direct me to it. I could easily picture fires
> > > right at or near the meter if the meter has a bad connection or an
> > internal
> > > defect.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I believe what she and other engineers and electrical experts are
> > saying
> > > > is that RF can lead to arcing on the wiring, which can lead to
> > electrical
> > > > fires. Numbers are numbers...reality is, many houses contain older
> > wiring,
> > > > or wiring that is weakened. In that weakened state, the wiring is
> > > > vulnerable. There have been HUNDREDS of house fires reported from
> > > > smartmeters. An entire neighborhood set up with smartmeters would not
> > (in
> > > > my opinon) be an insignificant source of RF. The grid is old and
> > > > antiquidated. It was never updated to handle the RF from not just
> > > > smartmeters and their mesh system, but any wireless systems, which we
> > all
> > > > know are practically everywhere. Now add in normal household wiring,
> > which
> > > > was never intended for wifi/RF. Now you have: 1) antiquidated grid
> > > > transmission system. 2) older houses with older wiring. 3) Newer and
> > older
> > > > houses using tons more electrical appliances then the grid was
> > designed to
> > > > handle. 4) Broadband over powerlines, yet another source of electrical
> > > > pollution. 5) Any house connected to city water will also have dirty
> > > > electricity/stray voltage piggybacking on the water lines, entering the
> > > > house. 6) Many houses still have the electrical grounded to the water
> > pipes
> > > > (in Mich, this is now against code).......all in all....a recipe for
> > > > disaster. Your use of the word "insignificant" might apply to ONE of
> > the
> > > > above factors, but in reality, how many houses only have ONE of these
> > > > factors? And how many have three or four of them? *And I haven't even
> > > > factored in the conditions of the utility poles/power
> > lines/substations/ect.
> > > > Here's another picture of reality. In just the past year, go back and
> > > > count HOW many power outages have occurred, in all the different
> > states,
> > > > how many millions were without power, and for how long some of these
> > > > outages have lasted? True enough, we can't ignore the bizarre weather
> > > > patterns. However, the shear amt of powerline transmisiion fires that
> > > > occurred with no bad weather!
> > > > Lizzie
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > > From: [hidden email]
> > > > > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:29:40 -0700
> > > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] RF DOES PIGGYBACK ON HOUSE WIRING
> > > > >
> > > > > Is Cindy Sage saying the heating from the RF of dirty electricity is
> > > > going
> > > > > to cause house fires? That strikes me as absurd. Yes the 3rd harmonic
> > > > > (180 Hz) can be a problem for motors and such, and the higher
> > harmonics
> > > > > just contribute more, but the joule heating from the RF is
> > insignificant
> > > > > unless you have a serious broadcasting set up. At 1 MHz or so it can
> > go
> > > > > quite far on wiring, but by the time you get to 2.4 GHz, no. There's
> > too
> > > > > much inductance (which is proportional to loop area times frequency).
> > > > I've
> > > > > never noticed microwave readings being higher near wiring, but the AM
> > > > radio
> > > > > will sure buzz...
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes folks. This is true.
> > > > > > Lizzie
> > > > > > Commentary by Cindy Sage, Sage Associates and James J. Biergiel,
> > EMF
> > > > > > Electrical Consultant July 2010
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Typical gauge electrical wiring that provides electricity to
> > buildings
> > > > (60
> > > > > > Hz power) is not constructed or intended to carry high frequency
> > > > harmonics
> > > > > > that are increasingly present on normal electrical wiring. The
> > > > exponential
> > > > > > increase in use of appliances, variable speed motors, office and
> > > > computer
> > > > > > equipment and wireless technologies has greatly increased these
> > > > harmonics
> > > > > > in community electrical grids and the buildings they serve with
> > > > > > electricity. Harmonics are higher frequencies than 60 Hz that carry
> > > > more
> > > > > > energy, and ride along on the electrical wiring in bursts. Radio
> > > > > > frequency (RF) is an unintentional by-product on this electrical
> > wiring
> > > > > > Electrical wiring it is not sized for the amount of energy that
> > radio
> > > > > > frequency and microwave radiation. These unintended signals that
> > can
> > > > come
> > > > > > from new wireless sources of many kinds are particularly a worry
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > new smart meters that produce very high intensity radio frequency
> > > > energy in
> > > > > > short bursts. Electrical fires are likely to be a potential
> > problem.
> > > > > > Electrical wiring was never intended to carry this – what amounts
> > to
> > > > an RF
> > > > > > pollutant – on the wiring. The higher the frequency, the greater
> > the
> > > > > > energy contained. It’s not the voltage, but it is the current that
> > > > > > matters. RF harmonics on electrical systems can come from
> > computers,
> > > > > > printers, FAX machines, electronic ballasts and other sources like
> > > > variable
> > > > > > speed motors and appliances that distort the normal, smooth 60
> > hertz
> > > > sine
> > > > > > wave of electrical power and put bursts of higher energy RF onto
> > the
> > > > wiring.
> > > > > > Wireless smart meters don’t intentionally use the electrical
> > system to
> > > > > > send their RF signal back to the utility (to report energy usage,
> > etc).
> > > > > > But, when the wireless signal is produced in the meter… it
> > boomerangs
> > > > > > around on all the conductive components and can be coupled onto the
> > > > wiring,
> > > > > > water and gas lines, etc. where it can be carried to other parts
> > of the
> > > > > > residence or building.
> > > > > > It is an over-current condition on the wiring. It produces heat
> > where
> > > > the
> > > > > > neutral cannot properly handle it. The location of the fire does
> > NOT
> > > > have
> > > > > > to be in close proximity to the main electrical panel where the
> > smart
> > > > meter
> > > > > > is installed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > > > From: [hidden email]
> > > > > > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:31:51 +0000
> > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Basement Homes?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do think that broadband is travelling on the wires. Maybe it is
> > > > > > induction as the cable wires are right next to the power line
> > wires.
> > > > > > Telephone wires too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > K
> > > > > > - In [hidden email], Bill Bruno <wbruno@...> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wi-Fi won't go very far on wiring (probably a few inches, though
> > it
> > > > > > > could travel further in shielded wiring). Although the same pulse
> > > > > > > structure might appear in the dirtly electricity do to power
> > supply
> > > > loads
> > > > > > > pulsing with the microwaves.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:37 AM, KathyB <calicocat477@...>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > **
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Loni,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think a basement would help IF one does not have underground
> > > > wiring &
> > > > > > > > radon & mold free. .
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We have one, it helps but I feel the underground wiring & have
> > to
> > > > have
> > > > > > > > safer wiring that will run above your head. There will be wire
> > free
> > > > > > ceiling
> > > > > > > > places you can locate.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I tested
> > > > > > > > w my cheaper meter at 1 Gauss on the floor. I'm pretty sure
> > wi-fi
> > > > is on
> > > > > > > > our wring.
> > > > > > > > I read .06 mw/m 2 RF at an outlet. We have from ..01 - .03 in
> > our
> > > > free
> > > > > > > > space *& live in a valley.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kathy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: Loni <loni326@...>
> > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Basement Homes?
> > > > > > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 11:28 AM
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Do you think a basement home would sheild some of the Cell
> > > > radiation?
> > > > > > > > Anyone have one that can advise?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Does the cell antenna's rf ride in on your elecrtrical wires in
> > > > your
> > > > > > home?
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks, Loni
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