>
> I believe what she and other engineers and electrical experts are saying
> is that RF can lead to arcing on the wiring, which can lead to electrical
> fires. Numbers are numbers...reality is, many houses contain older wiring,
> or wiring that is weakened. In that weakened state, the wiring is
> vulnerable. There have been HUNDREDS of house fires reported from
> smartmeters. An entire neighborhood set up with smartmeters would not (in
> my opinon) be an insignificant source of RF. The grid is old and
> antiquidated. It was never updated to handle the RF from not just
> smartmeters and their mesh system, but any wireless systems, which we all
> know are practically everywhere. Now add in normal household wiring, which
> was never intended for wifi/RF. Now you have: 1) antiquidated grid
> transmission system. 2) older houses with older wiring. 3) Newer and older
> houses using tons more electrical appliances then the grid was designed to
> handle. 4) Broadband over powerlines, yet another source of electrical
> pollution. 5) Any house connected to city water will also have dirty
> electricity/stray voltage piggybacking on the water lines, entering the
> house. 6) Many houses still have the electrical grounded to the water pipes
> (in Mich, this is now against code).......all in all....a recipe for
> disaster. Your use of the word "insignificant" might apply to ONE of the
> above factors, but in reality, how many houses only have ONE of these
> factors? And how many have three or four of them? *And I haven't even
> factored in the conditions of the utility poles/power lines/substations/ect.
> Here's another picture of reality. In just the past year, go back and
> count HOW many power outages have occurred, in all the different states,
> how many millions were without power, and for how long some of these
> outages have lasted? True enough, we can't ignore the bizarre weather
> patterns. However, the shear amt of powerline transmisiion fires that
> occurred with no bad weather!
> Lizzie
>
>
> > To: [hidden email]
> > From: [hidden email]
> > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:29:40 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] RF DOES PIGGYBACK ON HOUSE WIRING
> >
> > Is Cindy Sage saying the heating from the RF of dirty electricity is
> going
> > to cause house fires? That strikes me as absurd. Yes the 3rd harmonic
> > (180 Hz) can be a problem for motors and such, and the higher harmonics
> > just contribute more, but the joule heating from the RF is insignificant
> > unless you have a serious broadcasting set up. At 1 MHz or so it can go
> > quite far on wiring, but by the time you get to 2.4 GHz, no. There's too
> > much inductance (which is proportional to loop area times frequency).
> I've
> > never noticed microwave readings being higher near wiring, but the AM
> radio
> > will sure buzz...
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Yes folks. This is true.
> > > Lizzie
> > > Commentary by Cindy Sage, Sage Associates and James J. Biergiel, EMF
> > > Electrical Consultant July 2010
> > >
> > > Typical gauge electrical wiring that provides electricity to buildings
> (60
> > > Hz power) is not constructed or intended to carry high frequency
> harmonics
> > > that are increasingly present on normal electrical wiring. The
> exponential
> > > increase in use of appliances, variable speed motors, office and
> computer
> > > equipment and wireless technologies has greatly increased these
> harmonics
> > > in community electrical grids and the buildings they serve with
> > > electricity. Harmonics are higher frequencies than 60 Hz that carry
> more
> > > energy, and ride along on the electrical wiring in bursts. Radio
> > > frequency (RF) is an unintentional by-product on this electrical wiring
> > > Electrical wiring it is not sized for the amount of energy that radio
> > > frequency and microwave radiation. These unintended signals that can
> come
> > > from new wireless sources of many kinds are particularly a worry for
> the
> > > new smart meters that produce very high intensity radio frequency
> energy in
> > > short bursts. Electrical fires are likely to be a potential problem.
> > > Electrical wiring was never intended to carry this – what amounts to
> an RF
> > > pollutant – on the wiring. The higher the frequency, the greater the
> > > energy contained. It’s not the voltage, but it is the current that
> > > matters. RF harmonics on electrical systems can come from computers,
> > > printers, FAX machines, electronic ballasts and other sources like
> variable
> > > speed motors and appliances that distort the normal, smooth 60 hertz
> sine
> > > wave of electrical power and put bursts of higher energy RF onto the
> wiring.
> > > Wireless smart meters don’t intentionally use the electrical system to
> > > send their RF signal back to the utility (to report energy usage, etc).
> > > But, when the wireless signal is produced in the meter… it boomerangs
> > > around on all the conductive components and can be coupled onto the
> wiring,
> > > water and gas lines, etc. where it can be carried to other parts of the
> > > residence or building.
> > > It is an over-current condition on the wiring. It produces heat where
> the
> > > neutral cannot properly handle it. The location of the fire does NOT
> have
> > > to be in close proximity to the main electrical panel where the smart
> meter
> > > is installed.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > From: [hidden email]
> > > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:31:51 +0000
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Basement Homes?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I do think that broadband is travelling on the wires. Maybe it is
> > > induction as the cable wires are right next to the power line wires.
> > > Telephone wires too.
> > >
> > > K
> > > - In [hidden email], Bill Bruno <wbruno@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wi-Fi won't go very far on wiring (probably a few inches, though it
> > > > could travel further in shielded wiring). Although the same pulse
> > > > structure might appear in the dirtly electricity do to power supply
> loads
> > > > pulsing with the microwaves.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:37 AM, KathyB <calicocat477@...> wrote:
> > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Loni,
> > > > >
> > > > > I think a basement would help IF one does not have underground
> wiring &
> > > > > radon & mold free. .
> > > > >
> > > > > We have one, it helps but I feel the underground wiring & have to
> have
> > > > > safer wiring that will run above your head. There will be wire free
> > > ceiling
> > > > > places you can locate.
> > > > >
> > > > > I tested
> > > > > w my cheaper meter at 1 Gauss on the floor. I'm pretty sure wi-fi
> is on
> > > > > our wring.
> > > > > I read .06 mw/m 2 RF at an outlet. We have from ..01 - .03 in our
> free
> > > > > space *& live in a valley.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kathy
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Loni <loni326@...>
> > > > > Subject: [eSens] Basement Homes?
> > > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > > Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 11:28 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you think a basement home would sheild some of the Cell
> radiation?
> > > > > Anyone have one that can advise?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Does the cell antenna's rf ride in on your elecrtrical wires in
> your
> > > home?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks, Loni
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