Re: Electrical appliances and "grounding"

Posted by BiBrun on
URL: https://www.es-forum.com/Electrical-appliances-and-grounding-tp3309893p3328713.html

It's true that the safety ground only makes sense for
something that is conductive on the outside.  But in
that case, it provides both a safety ground and a grounded
shield.  If you have metal conduit wiring and a
shielded power cord, the shield may be impressively good.
Otherwise, it won't be great but can still block the low
frequency electric fields.

For devices that don't draw much current, it's also possible
to have a shielded 2 prong device, but if there's something
nearby contaminating the neutral, then the shield will
radiate that field.  Ground wires can be contaminated too,
unfortunately.  So it's really more important how the device
is designed, and what kind of power supply it uses.  12 years
ago linear supplies were the norm, but after that it's been
SMPS which are usually terrible.

It is true that sometimes the 60 Hz electric field will be
much lower if you flip the cord around.  For the plugs
that have one prong bigger you can't flip them, and
the idea is they only go in the safe way, which should
also mean less electric field (unless your outlet is wired
backwards, which I'm told does happen).
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:58 AM, ukcompbits <[hidden email]> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Appliances are "grounded" to earth for safety/
>
> If an appliance isn't earthedd then if the appliance suffered some damage
> that caused a short circuit between the mains power and the case of the
> appliance, the damage would make the case live and it would cause an
> electrical shock to anyone who touched it.
>
> If the case is earthed, if that same damage occurred the mains would be
> shorted to ground and in theory cause the fuse to blow or circuit breaker to
> trip, thus eliminating the danger of a live case.
>
> Many items nowadays have entirely plastic cases and thus the risk of
> electrical shock due to short is nil thus its perfectly reasonable for
> manufacturers to not provide an earth as there is no need from a safety
> perspective.
>
> Regards
> Mike
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > It's not difficult to notice that many electronics and electrical
> appliances that are sold today come with 2-prong power cords (ungrounded) -
> as opposed to the 3-pronged cords that have a prong that connects to
> "ground". Even some relatively-large, major electronics - like TVs, and
> VCR-DVD combo players - are manufactured with 2-pronged cords. Why are so
> many electronics manufacturers opting for the 2-pronged power cords over
> 3-pronged cords? Is it simply a matter of cost-cutting?
> >
> > Are there reasons other than cost-related ones why manufacturers would
> opt for the 2-prong power cord? Are there actually any benefits to having a
> 2-prong cord?
> >
> > I recently bought this VCR-DVD-recorder combo that - unfortunately - I
> often feel when it's in operation (or when it's simply powered on). Back in
> the "good old days" - I would have 2 VCRs in my room at the same time (and
> one of those VCRs was a dual-deck one) with no obvious problems - so I
> didn't really anticipate that this VCR-DVD player would give me symptoms.
> And I noticed, despite it being a relatively-large device (by today's
> standards) that I guess uses a fair amount of power - it has a 2-pronged
> power cord. I'm wondering if figuring out some way to "ground" this device
> would make a difference.
> >
> > But I don't want to do anything to harm or shorten the lifespan of these
> devices. Would "grounding" a device that isn't "supposed" to be grounded
> (that wasn't manufactured with a grounded cord) be harmful?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > ~Svetaswan
> >
>
>  
>


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